Originally Posted by FuqALot

just hit up bluewire and get it done for half the money and double the quality

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

Hi

This is for TushyCash.com

Im thinking a hot nice drawing or cartoon of some cute girl small waist big ass or something and some hot looking text TushyCash.com

Prefer it to be one straight line (meaning some cartoon image and the Words TushyCash.com on one line either to the left or right of the image but def the image should be part of the words so it doesnt look like I grabbed some cartoon and put it next to text).

This will be for online and tees etc.

7 days to post design or email it to info at badtushy.com

Originally Posted by FuqALot

just hit up bluewire and get it done for half the money and double the quality

Originally Posted by thehardtruth

"Contests" are bad for the design industry. Any designer who participates in these contests is only contributing to the problem.

Any credible company looking for a logo design should research a design firm's portfolio and then work with them to ensure that a design is created that satisfies the client.

It is unfair business practise to ask designers to invest time and money into creating designs with no assurance that they will get paid.

Do you think it would be reasonable to approach several custom car builders and ask them to each build a car and you will then purchase the one that you prefer? No, you would not. Graphic design is no different.

Originally Posted by thehardtruth

It is unfair business practise to ask designers to invest time and money into creating designs with no assurance that they will get paid.

Originally Posted by thehardtruth

Do you think it would be reasonable to approach several custom car builders and ask them to each build a car and you will then purchase the one that you prefer? No, you would not. Graphic design is no different.

Originally Posted by Jace

if the designers are all right with it, than what is the issue?

if the car builders knew up front what they were getting themselves into, and agreed to the terms, then it is fine

Originally Posted by thehardtruth

designers may be unaware the potential damage they are causing the industry. please show an example of any other industry where work is completed without payment.

you may ask a design firm to bid on a contract but designers should not be agreeing to create work without any assurance of getting paid.

www no-spec com

as web masters would any of you agree to a potential member stating that they have $99 to spend and would like to see your members area in order to compare it to the members area of other websites that they are considering?

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

its unfair if its a 50 dollar contest, please dont get all excited overthere its not like this thread is getting any action at all

Originally Posted by Jace

acually, on the mainstream boards I post on there are contests all the time for all kinds of people, you act as though it is just the adult industry, when in fact contests for professionals are everywhere

Originally Posted by thehardtruth

precisely why it's a problem. these designers are unware of the damage they are causing the industry.

any business who participates in these contests is actively devaluing the creative work of designers.

www no-spec com

to all webmasters on the board:

ATTENTION! i have $99 to spend on a membership. i am having a contest to see who has the best members area and they will win my $99. please send me a username and password to your members area and i will let you know who wins my $99.

i await your login info.

Originally Posted by Jace

wow, I just realized you started a site to back this crusade


good luck on that, i think you are fighting a loosing battle, because designers and buyers alike have no issue with it

Originally Posted by thehardtruth

"Contests" are bad for the design industry. Any designer who participates in these contests is only contributing to the problem.

Originally Posted by Bama

Actually, your ideology might have some merit but actuality comes into play and smacks your ideology square in the nuts!

This (like most business) revolves around advertising - it's why we hire designers to create banners/websites we can use to advertise with. Do you think because you are a designer you don't need to advertise yourself/skills/business too?

There are hundreds of designers who post/read this board. Do you think I have time to go look at the portfolio of every single one of them?

Contests are a way designers can post an example of their work and catch my eye. They might not win the contest but will pick up a new client or 2 and a prime example of this is "ella" who posted in the logo contest for 5 star electric in another thread. Until their post I had no clue they/she/he existed and now I do and I just added them to my list to speak to about doing some design work.

Impulse buying and selling... all good graphic designers get that concept and it carries through in the design work for their client. Submissions in logo contests get me to go look at their portfolio.

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

Hi

This is for TushyCash.com

Im thinking a hot nice drawing or cartoon of some cute girl small waist big ass or something and some hot looking text TushyCash.com

Prefer it to be one straight line (meaning some cartoon image and the Words TushyCash.com on one line either to the left or right of the image but def the image should be part of the words so it doesnt look like I grabbed some cartoon and put it next to text).

This will be for online and tees etc.

7 days to post design or email it to info at badtushy.com

Originally Posted by Bama

Sounds like someone's mad cause their submissions are never chosen and the failure to understand the valid and logical explanation given to you is why. You don't have the ability to grasp the concept of impulse buying selling for your customers and that would certainly carry over to any design submissions.

And FYI, paysites do give you free samples of their work - it's called tours and movie samples. Do you live under the dillusion that they got the content for those free?

Originally Posted by thehardtruth

For the sake of consistency I want to see all of the new content inside your members area so I can compare it to all of the new content on other webmaster's members area and then I will decide IF any of you are worthy of my $99.
Hypocrite much? Indeed.

Originally Posted by interracialtoons

Some people have entered in dozens of contest and done really great work but they haven't even made $10 for their effort. That becomes discouraging.

Originally Posted by Bama

Sounds like someone's mad cause their submissions are never chosen and the failure to understand the valid and logical explanation given to you is why. You don't have the ability to grasp the concept of impulse buying selling for your customers and that would certainly carry over to any design submissions.

And FYI, paysites do give you free samples of their work - it's called tours and movie samples. Do you live under the dillusion that they got the content for those free?

Originally Posted by spacedog

Well.. what if I like designer ABC, but at same time I like XYZ design, but usually I hire design CO INC, & well, there's 5 other good ones I like, but damn.. How do I decide who to hire? What if abc is better than xyz. what if this & that & well, you know what? Fuck it.. have a contest & choose which one comes out the best.

Originally Posted by spacedog

Well.. what if I like designer ABC, but at same time I like XYZ design, but usually I hire design CO INC, & well, there's 5 other good ones I like, but damn.. How do I decide who to hire? What if abc is better than xyz. what if this & that & well, you know what? Fuck it.. have a contest & choose which one comes out the best.

Originally Posted by pornopete

Logo contest aren't what they used to be. The guy is offering a good deal of money, way more than a logo design is worth IMO. This is a great chance for many of you toon guys to showcase some of your work and make some good coin.

Originally Posted by pornopete

Logo contest aren't what they used to be. The guy is offering a good deal of money, way more than a logo design is worth IMO. This is a great chance for many of you toon guys to showcase some of your work and make some good coin.

Originally Posted by thehardtruth

Do you honestly believe that when Pepsi is seeking a new ad agency they run a contest by asking several ad agencies to spend their time and money producing campaigns and then pick the best one? Of course not.

The ad agencies sit down with Pepsi, assess Pepsi's needs and then pitch Pepsi on why they can best design a campaign that will benefit Pepsi.

Do you really believe ad agencies pay their employees to produce campaigns for contests with no guarantee of payment? How does one pay themselves and employees without getting paid?

Originally Posted by harvey

they will show up the last day and even the last hour. Problem with these contests is that once somebody comes up with something creative, then you have 20 copycats in a row, so most smart designers won't post until the last minute.

Originally Posted by Jace

actually, you are 100% wrong

one of my best friends in the world works for a HUGE ad agency, and they do create ad campaigns all the time in hoping of "wowing" the ad buyer into hiring them

in fact, he just finished one for BMW, and my first reaction was "holy shit, you are doing bmw ads now?" and he replied "well, i hope so!"

big ad agencies do work on spec ALL the time to gain new clients

Originally Posted by thehardtruth

"Contests" are bad for the design industry. Any designer who participates in these contests is only contributing to the problem.

Any credible company looking for a logo design should research a design firm's portfolio and then work with them to ensure that a design is created that satisfies the client.

It is unfair business practise to ask designers to invest time and money into creating designs with no assurance that they will get paid.

Do you think it would be reasonable to approach several custom car builders and ask them to each build a car and you will then purchase the one that you prefer? No, you would not. Graphic design is no different.

Originally Posted by thehardtruth

Do you honestly believe that when Pepsi is seeking a new ad agency they run a contest by asking several ad agencies to spend their time and money producing campaigns and then pick the best one? Of course not.

The ad agencies sit down with Pepsi, assess Pepsi's needs and then pitch Pepsi on why they can best design a campaign that will benefit Pepsi.

Do you really believe ad agencies pay their employees to produce campaigns for contests with no guarantee of payment? How does one pay themselves and employees without getting paid?

Originally Posted by thehardtruth

precisely why it's a problem. these designers are unware of the damage they are causing the industry.

any business who participates in these contests is actively devaluing the creative work of designers.

www no-spec com

to all webmasters on the board:

ATTENTION! i have $99 to spend on a membership. i am having a contest to see who has the best members area and they will win my $99. please send me a username and password to your members area and i will let you know who wins my $99.

i await your login info.

Originally Posted by facialfreak

I am with you 200% on this!!

too bad designers who are desperate for the work dont see it this way

this is the reason why I got out of the design game serveral years ago except for my regular paying clients

Originally Posted by harvey

more or less.

I don't know how it translates to English, but it's called something like "conceptualization meetings", big companies have talks with 2 or 3 ad agencies and they make a mockup of the idea. Up to 10 years ago they were just that, mockups, or story boards when it was about TV ads. WIth technology came "almost finished" mockups, and there are no excuses nowadays to present a mockup in pencil (so to say), therefore there's a misconception that ad agencies work for free. The big ones doesn't, they do these concepts only after some deep talking and candidates are between 2 or 3, no 1000s. Only the small firms, usually "creative boutiques", tend to work "on spec", because they need to showcase their talent, but when ad agencies work like this is because they're after million dollar accounts and chances are 50/50 or 25% at worst.

Speaking of which, I don't enter contests unless I find them amusing. I did enter in one contest because it was fun and non adult (which I want to go towards in the near future). 2 hours later, all color schemes, some of the fonts, some of the styles and effects are used in each and every design after mine. Go figure

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

Jace beat me to this, but you are absolutely wrong. You have to have an ad campaign in mind and ready to present before Pepsi will even agree to sit in the same room as you. Where exactly are you getting your information? Of course they pay their employees to produce campaigns with no guarantee of winning the contract. You think the employees are paying for the honor of working for the ad agency? It's up to the agency to pay talented, top notch people that they are confident in to win the business. If the talent doesn't produce they won't have a job for long.

Hey Jace, can you say who this fake nick is?

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

at least some good conversation came out of this

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

Sorry, but this sounds like a lot of sour grapes to me. If I was a designer I would be happy for any opportunity to have my content seen and out there. Even if they don't win they are receiving valuable free advertising. I know it wasn't a contest, but I remember a thread where Twisted Illustrations had a picture for a fight website that was so good it permanently burned them into my mind as a quality designer. I would never have known if not for that pic...