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sicone · 01-11-2007, 03:19 PM

50 globally warmed ass's

Pleasurepays · 01-11-2007, 03:20 PM

the earth is around 4.5 billion years old and most people are basing arguments on weather patterns over a few decades. you dont need a doctorates in math to understand the problems with that.

_Richard_ · 01-11-2007, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Believe me Im well read on the subject. Trying to rationalize on gfy is like trying to explain astrophysics to to a 2 year old.

have you watched an inconvenient truth?

you do know that one of six ice shelfs in canada just broke off in under a hour? Shelfs that have been there for far longer than 100 years.

if you're so sure that everything is fine, that this is a bunch of evil "propaganda" that the politicians or whoever are rolling out to make a couple more billion dollars in "quick fixes", why are you even discussing it? So everyone here feels better about the global warming problem?

If you really really want, you can fly to vancouver, and i can show you trees that are budding in january. It smells like spring in downtown vancouver. Then you can explain to me, with all the research you have done, why that's happening in the middle of winter.

While you're at it, you can also explain why i type in "greenland melting" and i see pictures of greenland melting from the top down. Or why villages in the himalyans are about to be groups of refugees because the water supplies are slowly melting away, water supplies that have been there for thousands of years.

and i'll reply, "coping mechanism"

R

stickyfingerz · 01-11-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

I see CO in your location I assume that is Colorado. Much of the drinking water in the mid west comes from the mountains ice packs. Due to global warming these ice packs that give you drinking water are melting at a very fast pace.

As they melt there will be less and less drinking water available. I think it's something like 3/4 of the water in the Us comes from mountain ice packs. Same is true for much of the rest of the world. Guess what no more ice packs equals no more drinking water.

That's just one tiny little thing that it will affect.

3/4 of the water in the us comes from mountain ice packs? Are you on medication?

And if it does melt where shall the water go? In the ground, or evaporate, what happens to evaporated water I wonder? Oh it goes into the air and forms what.... clouds, what do clouds do when they are full of evaporated water? Oh thats right it falls down as what? Rain, and where does the rain land? On the.... (you'll get this one think hard) ground, and if the ground it falls on happens to be a cold mountain top what happens? Oh it freezes, and what happens if it melts, or falls where its warmer? Oh it goes into the..... ground.... And if it falls on the ground where does it end up? Oh in our water tables, and what happens if it ends up in our water tables, it gets sucked back out sometimes using what we call....... wells, and what happens then? We drink it and sometimes we pee, and it ends up where? In the ground..... ok Im bored now... lol

Superterrorizer · 01-11-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Believe me Im well read on the subject. Trying to rationalize on gfy is like trying to explain astrophysics to to a 2 year old.

You're well read on global warming? Sounds like you reading the wrong books. How about posting some titles so we can do some reading too? I'd be curious to know which scientists believe that dumping massive ammounts of carbon dioxide and other "greenhouse gases" have no effect on the atmosphere.

I actually started watching the documentary last night but turned it off after I'd had my fill of Al Gore. Is it a documentary on global warming, or is it a documentary on Al Gore? All the non global warming shit in the movie removes any shred of credibility it may have had for me.

Now, I do believe global warming exists, but I don't take the word of Al Gore as fact.

This just proves that the sheep will eat the grass no matter what side of the pasture it's on.

_Richard_ · 01-11-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

have you watched an inconvenient truth?

you do know that one of six ice shelfs in canada just broke off in under a hour? Shelfs that have been there for far longer than 100 years.

if you're so sure that everything is fine, that this is a bunch of evil "propaganda" that the politicians or whoever are rolling out to make a couple more billion dollars in "quick fixes", why are you even discussing it? So everyone here feels better about the global warming problem?

If you really really want, you can fly to vancouver, and i can show you trees that are budding in january. It smells like spring in downtown vancouver. Then you can explain to me, with all the research you have done, why that's happening in the middle of winter.

While you're at it, you can also explain why i type in "greenland melting" and i see pictures of greenland melting from the top down. Or why villages in the himalyans are about to be groups of refugees because the water supplies are slowly melting away, water supplies that have been there for thousands of years.

and i'll reply, "coping mechanism"

R

look, this came off as really condenscending, and i want to apologize.. i didn't mean it to sound that way. It's just something that this issue simply cannot be ignored, and there needs to be shit done.

If you think about it, and i think the movie states, the countries that are doing the most damage faster than anyone else, is countries in south america burning forests off, and the gas fires in russia.

If we can tack on sanctions to countries for not falling into the western sway of arms and arms selling, why can't there be talk of santions against these countries until they fix the outrageous polluting problems?

If you think about it, brazil and russia present a far larger threat to everyone, and thing, on the planet then NK with nuclear weapons.

R

stickyfingerz · 01-11-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

look, this came off as really condenscending, and i want to apologize.. i didn't mean it to sound that way. It's just something that this issue simply cannot be ignored, and there needs to be shit done.

If you think about it, and i think the movie states, the countries that are doing the most damage faster than anyone else, is countries in south america burning forests off, and the gas fires in russia.

If we can tack on sanctions to countries for not falling into the western sway of arms and arms selling, why can't there be talk of santions against these countries until they fix the outrageous polluting problems?

If you think about it, brazil and russia present a far larger threat to everyone, and thing, on the planet then NK with nuclear weapons.

R

I cant watch an inconvenient truth right now, Im in the middle of this cool Loose change video part 1 and 2. Ill try to schedule it in though. Right after I finish my reading up of how we were going to have an ice age around 1994.

baddog · 01-11-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by he-fox

World is larger than Southern California.

The only part that matters is SoCal though.

_Richard_ · 01-11-2007, 03:42 PM

i guess whatever helps you sleep at night.

At least it'll be warm!

R

Brad · 01-11-2007, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

umm no it's not, because it would be much more beneficial for politicians to be able to ignore global warming. The companies whom line their pockets have no interest in global warming because it will cost them billions.

Exactly. Some People here are not looking at this properly. Global Warming doesn't mean that it's hotter out all the time, it is trying to show that in general if you take an average over the year or a couple of years the temperature is starting to rise. Look at any Historical weather data and you'll most likely find that on any given day in any given place, it has probably been a lot hotter and a lot colder in years past. No one can ignore the fact that the weather patterns are beginning to shift. If anyone's worried about it being cold now, wait for the summer, I think it's gonna be balls hot just about everywhere.

Brad · 01-11-2007, 03:52 PM

That's my two cents anyways

ThunderBalls · 01-11-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

3/4 of the water in the us comes from mountain ice packs? Are you on medication?

And if it does melt where shall the water go? In the ground, or evaporate, what happens to evaporated water I wonder? Oh it goes into the air and forms what.... clouds, what do clouds do when they are full of evaporated water? Oh thats right it falls down as what? Rain, and where does the rain land? On the.... (you'll get this one think hard) ground, and if the ground it falls on happens to be a cold mountain top what happens? Oh it freezes, and what happens if it melts, or falls where its warmer? Oh it goes into the..... ground.... And if it falls on the ground where does it end up? Oh in our water tables, and what happens if it ends up in our water tables, it gets sucked back out sometimes using what we call....... wells, and what happens then? We drink it and sometimes we pee, and it ends up where? In the ground..... ok Im bored now... lol

Gee, I see you learned something in 3rd grade. The fact is the majority of drinking water in the western US originates from snow in the Rocky Mountains. When there was little snowfall 5 years ago it had an effect from California to Nebraska. There is not enough water in the water tables to supply everyone with water in those areas for any extended period of time, nor would rainfall. The fact is if the Rocky Mountains stopped getting snow the whole western US would turn to desert.

_Richard_ · 01-11-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Gee, I see you learned something in 3rd grade. The fact is the majority of drinking water in the western US originates from snow in the Rocky Mountains. When there was little snowfall 5 years ago it had an effect from California to Nebraska. There is not enough water in the water tables to supply everyone with water in those areas for any extended period of time, nor would rainfall. The fact is if the Rocky Mountains stopped getting snow the whole western US would turn to desert.

bingo.

R

MaDalton · 01-11-2007, 04:07 PM

let me say it this way:

everyone in this thread who denies the phenomenon of so called "global warming" is therefore ok with the way some countries - including the USA, China, India or Russia - handle their responsibilities towards this planet while most of the european countries are just plain stupid for trying to save energy, oil, cut down co2 and preserve clean water - do i understand that right?

well, then i guess i'll buy a hummer, burn down some trees and club some seals while i drive around and make sure that all neighbours lights stay on by waving at their motion detectors...

After Shock Media · 01-11-2007, 04:26 PM

People sort of messed up when they coined the phrase "global warming". Think more "global climate change".

Few things I will point out.
A lot of southern California's water comes from Northern California, this water is stored in several lakes and reservoirs. The water in these is filled some by rainfall during the rainy season which is usually let out to maintain levels, the majority comes from the melting snow pack during the non rainy seasons which keeps them as near full as possible during peak usage. Our snow levels up here are shrinking.

I doubt anyone can really argue that the polar sheets are also melting at an extreme rate. This of course is not only leading to rising water levels, but it is also effecting the salinity of the oceans. This messes with the conveyor system. Not to mention the more ice that is loss the less it reflects and the faster the remaining ice melts.

This could go on and on, and no I have not yet watched this movie yet.
What us humans can hope for is a huge volcano going off in a major way, sure it will kill a lot of people but at the same time it should restore the polar ice caps.

Pleasurepays · 01-11-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

well, then i guess i'll buy a hummer, burn down some trees and club some seals while i drive around and make sure that all neighbours lights stay on by waving at their motion detectors...

i've clubbed seals before. its an over rated experience. the first few are kinda fun... but then it becomes work.

germ · 01-11-2007, 04:52 PM

who knew gfy had so many experts on climate change.

Big John · 01-11-2007, 05:03 PM

My only

Only in the USA can money buy such mass fucking ignorance. More or less the whole world is intelligent enough to accept global warming for a fact. However, get a few billion dollar corps to pump cash in to say otherwise in the USA and the amount of idiots who believe them is amazing.

stickyfingerz · 01-11-2007, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Big John

My only

Only in the USA can money buy such mass fucking ignorance. More or less the whole world is intelligent enough to accept global warming for a fact. However, get a few billion dollar corps to pump cash in to say otherwise in the USA and the amount of idiots who believe them is amazing.

Yes the media is conspiring to show global warming is fake....

germ · 01-11-2007, 05:25 PM

http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_rel...g-tobacco.html

eZe · 01-11-2007, 05:43 PM

scientifically speaking it is refered to not as global warming but global climate change. The reason is that while there may be an average aggregate warming if you localize your search you might see it being colder. The fact remains that the overall global weather is changing and when it does things like the jet stream and japan current can change. Those are major engines for weather and when those change all bets are off.

directfiesta · 01-12-2007, 08:58 AM

Why didn't they consult scientist Stickyfingerzdotnet before taking TODAY such a position ...:

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Boudreux said Exxon in 2006 stopped funding the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a nonprofit advocating limited government regulation, and other groups that have downplayed the risks of greenhouse emissions.

Exxon cuts ties to global warming skeptics

stickyfingerz · 01-12-2007, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Why didn't they consult scientist Stickyfingerzdotnet before taking TODAY such a position ...:

Exxon cuts ties to global warming skeptics

Ok well if we are all around in 5 years, we can discuss the next big doom and gloom scenario that all the people with governement grants come up with. You can go right down a list over the last 30 to 40 years and 1 by one see they were a bunch of horseshit.

WarChild · 01-12-2007, 09:20 AM

Some inconvenient facts that Mr. Gore didn't see fit to bring to light:

- On CO2 emissions and raising temperatures, could somebody please explain this graph to me:

- From 1986 to 2000 central Antarctic valleys cooled .7 degrees C per decade with serious ecosystem damage from the cold.

- Both satellite data and ground stations show slight cooling over the last 20 years.

- Side-looking radar measurements show West Antarctic ice is increasting at 26.8 gagatons/yr. Reversing the melting trend of the last 6000 years.

- Antarctic peninsula has warmed several degrees while interior has cooled somewhat. Ice shelves have retreated but sea ice has increase.

- During the last four interglacials, going back 420,000 years, the Earth was warmer than it is today.

- Less Antarctic ice has melted today than occured during the last interglacial.

- Antarctic sea ice has increased since 1979.

- The greater part of Antarctica experiences a longer sea-ice season, lasting 21 days longer than it did in 1979.

WarChild · 01-12-2007, 09:20 AM

You people do realize that all your doomsday scenarios are based on projections and forecasts, right? Do you have any idea how bad the track record has been for these types of projections in even the last 10 years? The actual temperature increase varies from the predicted increase by more than 300% over the last 10 years. 300% is a pretty large margin of error, don't you think?

How come Scientists can't predict weather with any degree of accuracy for next year but they're bang on about enviormental changes that are going to happen over the next 40 years? Could it be they don't really know at all?

pink_in_the_middle · 01-12-2007, 09:23 AM

If it's snowing where its not suppose to and not snowing where it should, could you imagine what this summer is going to be like???

directfiesta · 01-12-2007, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Some inconvenient facts that Mr. Gore didn't see fit to bring to light:

Hellllllooooooooooo ...... 21st century his here, now ......

Climate Expert Says NASA Tried to Silence Him

The top climate scientist at NASA says the Bush administration has tried to stop him from speaking out since he gave a lecture last month calling for prompt reductions in emissions of greenhouse gases linked to global warming.

The scientist, James E. Hansen, longtime director of the agency's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, said in an interview that officials at NASA headquarters had ordered the public affairs staff to review his coming lectures, papers, postings on the Goddard Web site and requests for interviews from journalists.

Dr. Hansen said he would ignore the restrictions. "They feel their job is to be this censor of information going out to the public," he said.

Dean Acosta, deputy assistant administrator for public affairs at the space agency, said there was no effort to silence Dr. Hansen. "That's not the way we operate here at NASA," Mr. Acosta said. "We promote openness and we speak with the facts."

He said the restrictions on Dr. Hansen applied to all National Aeronautics and Space Administration personnel. He added that government scientists were free to discuss scientific findings, but that policy statements should be left to policy makers and appointed spokesmen.

Phoenix · 01-12-2007, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Yes the media is conspiring to show global warming is fake....

you dont seem to know what side you are on do you?

you are no longer qualified to make yourself sound like an expert on anything

i mean do you read what you write here and believe it?

is this really how a Bush supporter thinks? He is ok with buying bottled oxygen for his grandchildren to breathe out of....hey it is the american way...you are just jealous you didnt make the bottled oxygen..would that be yoru response to someone talking about global warming our the effects humans have on the planet?

take a look at your kids...and then rethink your answers

Adultnet · 01-12-2007, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 8ball

last days on earth

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...+Days+on+Earth

we will be able to make it

WarChild · 01-12-2007, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Hellllllooooooooooo ...... 21st century his here, now ......

So let me make sure I have this straight. From 1940 to 1970 despite co2 levels rising, the temperature variange decreased but that's not valid because it's now the 21st century? So the effect of co2 which according to some is the driving factor behind "Global Warming" works differently depending on the century? Wild stuff man.

Man I swear, it's almost like we don't have all the information and can't really predict what's going to happen 40 years from now.

Peaches · 01-12-2007, 09:54 AM

OK, I'm 45. I'm going probably be dead in 45 years. As long as I can fill up my SUV for 45 years I'm happy

/sarcasm

But seriously, the pollution the earth as a whole is putting out is MUCH less than it was in earlier years. We ARE going forward to those of you thinking we are the only ones affecting the earth's climate.

Me, I blame cows.

MaDalton · 01-12-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

let me say it this way:

everyone in this thread who denies the phenomenon of so called "global warming" is therefore ok with the way some countries - including the USA, China, India or Russia - handle their responsibilities towards this planet while most of the european countries are just plain stupid for trying to save energy, oil, cut down co2 and preserve clean water - do i understand that right?

DOES ANYONE OF YOU EXPERTS CARE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION???

stickyfingerz · 01-12-2007, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

you dont seem to know what side you are on do you?

you are no longer qualified to make yourself sound like an expert on anything

i mean do you read what you write here and believe it?

is this really how a Bush supporter thinks? He is ok with buying bottled oxygen for his grandchildren to breathe out of....hey it is the american way...you are just jealous you didnt make the bottled oxygen..would that be yoru response to someone talking about global warming our the effects humans have on the planet?

take a look at your kids...and then rethink your answers

You're right, things are so much worse today than they were less than 100 years ago. Thank God our Grandparents were worried about us getting enough oxygen ......

Pittsburgh 1906

1947

1954

1972

Today

WarChild · 01-12-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

DOES ANYONE OF YOU EXPERTS CARE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION???

I don't think we're all trying to deny Global Warming so much as question what we really know about it. I think the science in the area is still infantile and in many cases suspect at best. Scientists and data come down on both sides of the issues. The actual track record for prediciting enviromental changes over decades is dismal at best. We simply don't know.

Imagine calling a doctor and saying "Doc I have this ..." and him responding "put a bandaid on it!". But Doc, you're suggesting a solution when you don't even understand the problem!

Tom_PM · 01-12-2007, 09:59 AM

The reason there is no hole in the ozone layer anymore is because the united states took a lead position in eliminating the propellents that caused the hole.

Same could happen with the greenhouse gas emmissions. The technology to do so is already in place.

But the real issue is not forcing companies through government regulation to change how they operate. It's how you as an individual are willing to make simple changes to reduce the amount you personally contribute to the problem. Are you still using incandescant lightbulbs? Why?

And it goes on and on and on to figure out your own personal "carbon footprint" and reduce it. The changes we as individuals can make ourselves can flatten the upward curve of CO2.

tranza · 01-12-2007, 10:01 AM

Are you saying that you don't believe in Global Warming????

Drake · 01-12-2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

the earth is around 4.5 billion years old and most people are basing arguments on weather patterns over a few decades. you dont need a doctorates in math to understand the problems with that.

Yeah. In the 60's all the scare was global cooling. Now it's global warming.

Peaches · 01-12-2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tranza

Are you saying that you don't believe in Global Warming????

I'm saying it's part of Earth's normal cycle it's been doing for longer than human's have existed

MaDalton · 01-12-2007, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Imagine calling a doctor and saying "Doc I have this ..." and him responding "put a bandaid on it!". But Doc, you're suggesting a solution when you don't even understand the problem!

so you are basically saying that burning oil as much as possible and not caring about the environment is ok cause it might have no effect at all - perhaps - cause the experts do not completely agree on the negative effects. i'm just trying to understand your position

Anthony · 01-12-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

The reason there is no hole in the ozone layer anymore is because the united states took a lead position in eliminating the propellents that caused the hole.

Same could happen with the greenhouse gas emmissions. The technology to do so is already in place.

But the real issue is not forcing companies through government regulation to change how they operate. It's how you as an individual are willing to make simple changes to reduce the amount you personally contribute to the problem. Are you still using incandescant lightbulbs? Why?

And it goes on and on and on to figure out your own personal "carbon footprint" and reduce it. The changes we as individuals can make ourselves can flatten the upward curve of CO2.

What kinda of car do you drive?

Tom_PM · 01-12-2007, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

What kinda of car do you drive?

I drive a 1996 Saturn sl2. 40 mpg highway. I drive about 2 miles per week. I bought it new in 1996, and have barely over 30,000 miles on it. Every lightbulb in my house is compact flourescent as well. I've also reinsulated all of my windows and doors and attic. I definitely do what I can. My thermostat is below 60 right now, which is fine because this is the warmest winter on record for the northeast US so far, and my city hit 60 degrees 2 days in a row last week which were both new high temperature records, lol.

stickyfingerz · 01-12-2007, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

so you are basically saying that burning oil as much as possible and not caring about the environment is ok cause it might have no effect at all - perhaps - cause the experts do not completely agree on the negative effects. i'm just trying to understand your position

You do realize that there were oil wells way before man started using them, and they would catch fire and burn and burn and burn and smoke and smoke and smoke right? And how bout forest fires started by lightning? Who was there to put those out? They burned for years and years with smoke going into the atmosphere.

WarChild · 01-12-2007, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

so you are basically saying that burning oil as much as possible and not caring about the environment is ok cause it might have no effect at all - perhaps - cause the experts do not completely agree on the negative effects. i'm just trying to understand your position

No, not at all. I think it's up to each of us to try and be responsible in what we do to the enviroment. I'm not advocating for reckless abuse of fossil fuels or neglecting air quality all together. I just question that panic surrounding "Global Warming" and believe we really don't know what's going to happen in the future.

Ever notice that the some people will say in "You're an idiot for believing all the war on terror hype your goverment feeds you." and in the same breath say "Forget terrorists, Global Warming's going to wipe us all out!!!"? I find this mentality particularily amusing.

Tom_PM · 01-12-2007, 10:17 AM

I even wrote cnn the other day because they did yet another story on hybrid cars. Well fuck that, why not do a story on why GM had the tooling to make a 40mpg gasoline engine 11 years ago but today you can NOT find a US made non-hybrid car that gets 40 miles per gallon?

Pisses me off seriously. I dont know why other people dont get pissed about that one fact right there.

Anthony · 01-12-2007, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I drive a 1996 Saturn sl2. 40 mpg highway. I drive about 2 miles per week. I bought it new in 1996, and have barely over 30,000 miles on it. Every lightbulb in my house is compact flourescent as well. I've also reinsulated all of my windows and doors and attic. I definitely do what I can. My thermostat is below 60 right now, which is fine because this is the warmest winter on record for the northeast US so far, and my city hit 60 degrees 2 days in a row last week which were both new high temperature records, lol.

Why are you still driving an internal combustion powered conveyance?
Why aren't you utilizing solar panels to heat your house?

I mean I can go on and on, and take this sliding scale of fanaticism on, but at the end of the day, your "sacrifices" don't hold a candle to the massive pollution and destruction of our environment being done today by Countries, and Big Business.

I applaud you for it, but what you are doing is building a sand fort wall to stop a 100 ft tsunami about to crash onshore.

Phoenix · 01-12-2007, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

You're right, things are so much worse today than they were less than 100 years ago. Thank God our Grandparents were worried about us getting enough oxygen ......

Pittsburgh 1906

1947

1954

1972

Today

omg...its like you are in lala land...we should thank our grandparents for fouling the air for so many years...their is only one reason production like that hasnt continued...it wasnt good for us...is that not obvious to you?

Tom_PM · 01-12-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

You do realize that there were oil wells way before man started using them, and they would catch fire and burn and burn and burn and smoke and smoke and smoke right? And how bout forest fires started by lightning? Who was there to put those out? They burned for years and years with smoke going into the atmosphere.

Yes no disputing that. But did you know that when winter comes so late and spring so early that the Pine Bark Beetle doesnt die off and instead continues eating out the pine tree forests which then burn more than normal?

There's species nearing endangerment because the annual cycle of their prey has changed drastically in the recent years, so now their young are born and the food supply is simply not there like it has been for all known time.

I dunno, I think it's a non-controversial issue really. More people will notice at some point.

stickyfingerz · 01-12-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

omg...its like you are in lala land...we should thank our grandparents for fouling the air for so many years...their is only one reason production like that hasnt continued...it wasnt good for us...is that not obvious to you?

You didnt get it I see.

Tom_PM · 01-12-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Why are you still driving an internal combustion powered conveyance?
Why aren't you utilizing solar panels to heat your house?

I mean I can go on and on, and take this sliding scale of fanaticism on, but at the end of the day, your "sacrifices" don't hold a candle to the massive pollution and destruction of our environment being done today by Countries, and Big Business.

I applaud you for it, but what you are doing is building a sand fort wall to stop a 100 ft tsunami about to crash onshore.

I disagree, Anthony. I really do. I think we can even use an anaolgy in the business. Would you rather try to get 10 hits to 10,000 ads? Or try to get 10,000 hits to 10 ads? I think you get there faster with 10,000 ads.

Making big businesses and backwards countries do the right thing is part of it, but it still falls on every individual to do what they can. Incidently, China's government mandated gas mileage standards are far better than the US. The US automakers are suing California because California had the audacity to require all cars sold in their state to meet emissions standards that match Chinas over the next 10 years.. how dare they, lol.

I've also looked into Solar and Wind power. I currently rent, but I would absolutely love to have a house where I could have a nice solar panel (about $20,000, I've checked), and a wind generator (price varies, but utility companies are required to buy your excess energy, and there are local ordinances on tower height to consider). As well as on-demand hot water heaters and other efficient appliances I've checked into.

I dont preach to people in SUV's or anything crazy, but I still quietly do my thing and would encourage others to at least pick up a 3 pack of compact flourescent bulbs. They work great, and with only 15 watts you get the same lumens as an old fasioned 60 watt (plus they dont burn out for 5 yrs)

stickyfingerz · 01-12-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Yes no disputing that. But did you know that when winter comes so late and spring so early that the Pine Bark Beetle doesnt die off and instead continues eating out the pine tree forests which then burn more than normal?

There's species nearing endangerment because the annual cycle of their prey has changed drastically in the recent years, so now their young are born and the food supply is simply not there like it has been for all known time.

I dunno, I think it's a non-controversial issue really. More people will notice at some point.

Hmm and where prey tell did you harvest that information from.

Just to prove I watched a particular thing people doubt I watched.

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sicone Retired Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sac Posts: 18,453	50 globally warmed ass's __________________

01-11-2007, 03:52 PM	#61
Brad Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,510	That's my two cents anyways __________________ Affiliate Manager/Media Buyer ICQ 376 978 529 Skype: bradleyjwscott [email protected]

01-11-2007, 04:07 PM	#64
MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,828	let me say it this way: everyone in this thread who denies the phenomenon of so called "global warming" is therefore ok with the way some countries - including the USA, China, India or Russia - handle their responsibilities towards this planet while most of the european countries are just plain stupid for trying to save energy, oil, cut down co2 and preserve clean water - do i understand that right? well, then i guess i'll buy a hummer, burn down some trees and club some seals while i drive around and make sure that all neighbours lights stay on by waving at their motion detectors... __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

01-11-2007, 04:26 PM	#65
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	People sort of messed up when they coined the phrase "global warming". Think more "global climate change". Few things I will point out. A lot of southern California's water comes from Northern California, this water is stored in several lakes and reservoirs. The water in these is filled some by rainfall during the rainy season which is usually let out to maintain levels, the majority comes from the melting snow pack during the non rainy seasons which keeps them as near full as possible during peak usage. Our snow levels up here are shrinking. I doubt anyone can really argue that the polar sheets are also melting at an extreme rate. This of course is not only leading to rising water levels, but it is also effecting the salinity of the oceans. This messes with the conveyor system. Not to mention the more ice that is loss the less it reflects and the faster the remaining ice melts. This could go on and on, and no I have not yet watched this movie yet. What us humans can hope for is a huge volcano going off in a major way, sure it will kill a lot of people but at the same time it should restore the polar ice caps. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

01-11-2007, 05:03 PM	#68
Big John Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Never never land Posts: 470	My only Only in the USA can money buy such mass fucking ignorance. More or less the whole world is intelligent enough to accept global warming for a fact. However, get a few billion dollar corps to pump cash in to say otherwise in the USA and the amount of idiots who believe them is amazing. __________________

01-11-2007, 03:20 PM	#52
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	the earth is around 4.5 billion years old and most people are basing arguments on weather patterns over a few decades. you dont need a doctorates in math to understand the problems with that.

01-11-2007, 03:42 PM	#59
_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 30,989	i guess whatever helps you sleep at night. At least it'll be warm! R

01-11-2007, 04:52 PM	#67
germ ( o Y o ) Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,108	who knew gfy had so many experts on climate change.

01-11-2007, 05:25 PM	#70
germ ( o Y o ) Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,108	http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_rel...g-tobacco.html

01-11-2007, 05:43 PM	#71
eZe Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 360	scientifically speaking it is refered to not as global warming but global climate change. The reason is that while there may be an average aggregate warming if you localize your search you might see it being colder. The fact remains that the overall global weather is changing and when it does things like the jet stream and japan current can change. Those are major engines for weather and when those change all bets are off.

01-12-2007, 09:20 AM	#74
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	Some inconvenient facts that Mr. Gore didn't see fit to bring to light: - On CO2 emissions and raising temperatures, could somebody please explain this graph to me: - From 1986 to 2000 central Antarctic valleys cooled .7 degrees C per decade with serious ecosystem damage from the cold. - Both satellite data and ground stations show slight cooling over the last 20 years. - Side-looking radar measurements show West Antarctic ice is increasting at 26.8 gagatons/yr. Reversing the melting trend of the last 6000 years. - Antarctic peninsula has warmed several degrees while interior has cooled somewhat. Ice shelves have retreated but sea ice has increase. - During the last four interglacials, going back 420,000 years, the Earth was warmer than it is today. - Less Antarctic ice has melted today than occured during the last interglacial. - Antarctic sea ice has increased since 1979. - The greater part of Antarctica experiences a longer sea-ice season, lasting 21 days longer than it did in 1979. __________________ .

01-12-2007, 09:23 AM	#76
pink_in_the_middle Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: O Canada Posts: 4,503	If it's snowing where its not suppose to and not snowing where it should, could you imagine what this summer is going to be like??? __________________ pinkysteph AT gmail DOT com I'm a native english speaker from Canada with a firm ass, excellent grammar and punctuation skills. If you're in need of text for your: blog, paysite galleries, DVD covers, image cropping, content purchasing, content insertion or anything else along these lines, please feel free to give me a shout. And I’m female to boot

01-12-2007, 09:54 AM	#81
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	OK, I'm 45. I'm going probably be dead in 45 years. As long as I can fill up my SUV for 45 years I'm happy /sarcasm But seriously, the pollution the earth as a whole is putting out is MUCH less than it was in earlier years. We ARE going forward to those of you thinking we are the only ones affecting the earth's climate. Me, I blame cows.

01-12-2007, 09:59 AM	#85
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	The reason there is no hole in the ozone layer anymore is because the united states took a lead position in eliminating the propellents that caused the hole. Same could happen with the greenhouse gas emmissions. The technology to do so is already in place. But the real issue is not forcing companies through government regulation to change how they operate. It's how you as an individual are willing to make simple changes to reduce the amount you personally contribute to the problem. Are you still using incandescant lightbulbs? Why? And it goes on and on and on to figure out your own personal "carbon footprint" and reduce it. The changes we as individuals can make ourselves can flatten the upward curve of CO2. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

01-12-2007, 10:01 AM	#86
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Are you saying that you don't believe in Global Warming???? __________________ I'm just a newbie.

01-12-2007, 10:17 AM	#94
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	I even wrote cnn the other day because they did yet another story on hybrid cars. Well fuck that, why not do a story on why GM had the tooling to make a 40mpg gasoline engine 11 years ago but today you can NOT find a US made non-hybrid car that gets 40 miles per gallon? Pisses me off seriously. I dont know why other people dont get pissed about that one fact right there. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.