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Who doesn't?

12clicks

if people would just learn the topic before they speak.............
http://www.iran-press-service.com/ar...ats_141201.htm
"""RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL

TEHRAN 14 Dec. (IPS) One of Iran?s most influential ruling cleric called Friday on the Muslim states to use nuclear weapon against Israel, assuring them that while such an attack would annihilate Israel, it would cost them "damages only".

"If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession, the strategy of colonialism would face a stalemate because application of an atomic bomb would not leave any thing in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world", Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani told the crowd at the traditional Friday prayers in Tehran."""

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...080300629.html

"""Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Thursday the solution to the Middle East crisis is to destroy Israel."""


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061212/...n_holocaust_dc
"Thanks to people's wishes and God's will the trend for the existence of the Zionist regime is downwards and this is what God has promised and what all nations want," he said.

"Just as the Soviet Union was wiped out and today does not exist, so will the Zionist regime soon be wiped out,"

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/ar...rchiveId=15816
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has openly called for Israel to be wiped off the map.

"The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world," the president told a conference in Tehran on Wednesday, entitled The World without Zionism.

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land," he said.

"As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, referring to Iran's revolutionary leader Ayat Allah Khomeini.

His comments were the first time in years that such a high-ranking Iranian official has called for Israel's eradication, even though such slogans are still regularly used at government
rallies.

Addressing about 4000 students gathered in an Interior Ministry conference hall, Ahmadinejad also called for Palestinian unity, resistance and a point "where the annihilation of the Zionist regime will come".
"The Islamic umma (community) will not allow its historic enemy to live in its heartland," he said in the fiery speech that centred on a "historic war between the oppressor and the world of Islam".

The term "oppressor" is used by the clerical government to refer to the United States.

"We should not settle for a piece of land," he said of Israel's pullout from the Gaza Strip.

"Anyone who signs a treaty which recognises the entity of Israel means he has signed the surrender of the Muslim world," Ahmadinejad said.

"Any leaders in the Islamic umma who recognise Israel face the wrath of their own people.""""

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Well, if they don't then they've sure said some weird shit in the past - must be all about ironic love or something

If you don't do it, they will.
How do you know that? Go on, explain.
If it's based on what has been said, then Iran should have bombed Israel a very long time ago.

Or, why haven't the US bombed the fook out of N. Korea?

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This is Iran, for all you folks at home.



"Islamist Sharia justice — a previously unpublished (in the US) photograph
of Mahmoud Asgari and Ayaz Marhoni, the two teenage lovers hanged
last July in the public square of Mashad, Iran, for the crime of homosexuality. "

Webby

Exactly who does?????

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12clicks

this question is as irrelevant as the rest of your chatter on the subject.
One people (the jews) are well educated and want to live in peace and another is basically uneducated and wants to kill everyone who doesn't agree with them.
only an idiot would argue that they be treated equally.

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answer what question? i dont have an agenda and i am only usually trying to defend logic and reason. you have an agenda. you are insecure, paranoid and have issues with authority... and use these types of issues to point the finger and say "see... i told you so" so you can rationalize and affirm your own misguided beliefts and go on about your day to keep worrying about the government conspiracy to suppress the tin foil hat making industry.

what do i think about Iran? i dont care. when you have a fervent supporter of terrorism start threatening to destroy its neighbors, shut out the rest of the world, refuse to consider any diplomatic solution and continue trying to make a nuclear weapon (after lying about it for over a decade) and telling the UN basically to fuck off... one might consider it reasonable to expect consequences.

at the end of the day, its Isreals security problem. pretending there is a diplomatic solution or making uber retarded arguments like "if Isreal wouldn't continue doing [insert jewish stereotype here that ignores all other sides of the issue]" then Iran wouldn't still be an unstable theocracy, ran by extreme fundamentalists who have absolutely no interest in joining the rest of the western world in peaceful co-existence isn't going to solve the issue.

I hope Isreal bombs their facilities. The world will not be a better place with a nuclear Iran. EVERYONE agrees on that. The UN agrees. Their traditional allies agree. Destroying their program will make your world safer so you will continue to have the right and freedom to bitch and complain about how everyone is doing everything wrong.

12clicks

I await the links you will provide backing up your claim that the government of israel has called for the elimination of muslims

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I ain't got noffin against Jews, but dem der be foiten werds

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Cutting and pasting images with the intention of conveying these as propaganda in an effort to express personal views is too easy.... we can all do it...

Here's more, but actually contains some detailed fact... use it whatever way you like to make a point for "all you folks at home" who know fuck all about either Israel or Palestine.

This is Israel, for all you folks at home.



PS Bollocks -- image is transparent... Go here...

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/image...by_year-lg.gif

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perhaps you need to reread what i wrote. i said IRAN has never threatned to use nukes on anyone , then you turn around and post a half page of garbage that in no way does iran threaten to use nukes..

even the "cleric" you did post about , that is much like a t.v. evangelist and in no way is "iran "

didnt even make a threat , did you even read it , he said IF they had a nuke , countries like israel could no longer take over other countries ( i.e. colonialism) because iran would have the power to defend itself.. thats exactly what isreal is currently saying they are doing..

then furthermore the next article im assuming the wording "wipe out" is what your trying to insinuate when in all actuality if you READ it in context he says zionists should be wiped out LIKE USSR was wiped out .. ( i.e. it wasn't wiped out its just changed the regime in power ) much like the u.sa. does..

All of what you posted bolsters my argument..

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ALL humans should be treated equally you fucking moron.

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Webby

I'll be happy to be an idiot in the eyes of 12Clicks

Not that his opinion matters a fuck...

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12clicks

another guy who doesn't know the difference betweeen muslims and the subset at war with israel called the arabs or even the smaller subset called palestinians.

son, if the arabs would live in peace, there would be peace. they choose war and therefore are killed with regularity.

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At least I don't wish death and destruction on the uneducated, your prize idiot.
I just gave you a couple of quotes - totally unrelated to your post, but thankfully, you posted before me

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SmokeyTheBear

i.e. your scared to answer the question because you either have to lie or look like an idiot.. you flat out believe jews are good and muslims are bad ? that makes you a R____T..

You wear your balls on your chin until someone connects then they shrivel like its cold water.

hazard a guess..

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hahahahahaha, sure chokey, as is your usual M.O. when the truth is rubbed in your face you save your day by calling white black and black white.

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Another guy that doesn't understand the Islam faith. Or the meaning of solidarity.

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12clicks

child, child, child, I only wish death and destruction on the uneducated that wish to kill the rest of us.

feel free to side with your own kind.

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And tell me again why you want the entire Muslim race wiped off the planet?
I hosted I pleasant yound Muslim from Tehran over NYE - he had a wail of a time and he'll be working with me on a placement for the next 6 months.
You wanna come over and chill?

Yup, I'll side with Humanity, thanks.

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I couldn't let this idiot remark go unlaughed at.
this will help you understand. read it so you don't look so foolish:
http://www.parstimes.com/gov_iran.html
Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei (Chief of State)
President Mahmoud Ahmadi-nejad (Head of State)

here's the executive branch of the iranian government. oh look, one of those TV evangelists who's in no way Iran is actually Iran's leader.

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please quote where I said I,"want the entire Muslim race wiped off the planet"
perfect example of why you feel the need to side with your kind. you can't even figure out what people are writing.

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RIGHT. yes, I agree. I know its hard for you to type it out.

you have quite a preoccupation with balls on your chin. I guess you use analogies your familiar with.

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nice try .. flip flop.. when you cant win make it like the other guy is flipflopping..


You quoted a half page of garbage when i said IRAN hasnt threatned anyone with nukes.. none of which made any threats with nukes you could easily prove me wrong my stating anywhere iran has made a threat to attack someone first with nukes ( that they dont even have )


dont try to dodge the obvious.. your a racist.. you cant answer any of the questions posed because your scared it will reveal the truth behind your opinions..

im still waiting for the question from page#2 ... remember


musim = XX%
jewish = XX%


anytime your ready .. go ahead.. if you rman enough to hazard a guess ..

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Splum

Again you prove you are a worthless opponent in a debate.

SmokeyTheBear

glad you at least admit your a racist ..

the hard part is fixing it.. we will work on that another day perhaps..

now lets get back to the question you have been dodging..

still waiting..

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musim = 75% of muslims HATE JEWS
jewish = 50% of jews HATE MUSLIMS
christian = 10% of christians hate MUSLIMS and JEWS
gfy = 99.9% of GFY hates SmokeyTheBear

SmokeyTheBear

I guess you and 12 clicks both don't know how to complete a sentence.

p.s. its 5 smiley faces that makes your point seem more valid not 4 you newb..

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Pleasurepays

the reason there is going to have to be military action is exactly because of these types of discussions. irrational debate about everything except the issues that are relevant. "right", "wrong", death tolls, history etc have nothing to do with a country swearing to destroy you, withdrawing fully from any diplomatic efforts, defying the UN and continuing to make threats.

thats all that matters.

2000 years of history has nothing to do with a group of lunatics threatening to destroy a country and claiming its their lifes mission.

SmokeyTheBear

some other lame ass tried this ages ago , it ended with pages of people saying they liked me and 2 idiots like yourself.. who the whole time even after pages of supporters still stuck to their guns .. sorry maybe next time try a diff angle .. start a poll if you want.. ill even let you run a bot

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Splum

JEWS and MUSLIMS are not a RACE....


dumbass

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So to summarise, Smokey was talking about Jews and Muslims.
In your reply, you named the one people (the Jews) as educated and lovely people, and the other (thus inferred as the Muslims) as uneducated who want to kill everyone.

Then you state that you only wish death and destruction on the uneducated that wish to kill the rest of us.

ergo death and destruction to all Muslims.

Thanks for playing, but I'm quite capable of reading.

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You are of course quite right.
Only because there is no such thing as "a race' - it was just a terminology started by 'racist' Spaniards. But it kinda nicely clicked to group people of different cultures and ethnicit by racist Europeans and then more worldwide

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SmokeyTheBear

you keep failing miserably . theres has been threads covering this.. go use a doctionary i'm not your teacher or your mommy.

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for the ignorant

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rac·ism (rā'sĭz'əm) Pronunciation Key
n.
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

race /reɪs/ Pronunciation Key -
a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
any group, class, or kind, esp. of persons: Journalists are an interesting race.

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http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
Main Entry: race
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza
1 : a breeding stock of animals
2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics <the English race>
3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group b : BREED c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits
4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition
5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength

STFU nowhere in there does it state religion

Splum

Not religion. Religious groups are defined by SECTs
http://www.answers.com/sect&r=67

SmokeyTheBear

tell me you arent this stupid .. read what you just posted , pay close attention to definition 2a then come back and say " im sorry i didnt pay attention "
or
" i dont understad big words like "shared interests" or "characteristics" "

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sorry chokey, you can dwell on balls on chin and guesses about %s that don't mean anything all day. the point is that you side against people who do nothing but kill, have no interest in peace and do it in the name of their religion. you side with this trash of humanity because you're an anti-semite. I'm not sure which one of the teenagers here you're trying to impress but calling me a racist for identifying one side of the fight (muslims) as killers who should be dealt with is laughable.

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You are a simpleton, a religion is a BELIEF not a "shared interest" or "characteristic".

SmokeyTheBear

i didnt name a side.. its quite clear your racist though , you told me above you were
the old "you must be an anti-semite " trick . sorry as i already pointed out , wrong guy for that ..

i think you just answered your own question.. dont make me point you to a dictionary too


you said

Originally Posted by 12clicks
One people (the jews) are well educated and want to live in peace and another is basically uneducated and wants to kill everyone who doesn't agree with them.


dictionary says

a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others


is there any question ? i'm not sure why at this point your even denying it.. they ( dictionary.com ) could have used your exact words and done a pretty good job

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Sorry, but as you said you wish death and destruction to all Muslims, then you sir, are a racist.

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12clicks

dear halfwit, I'm not jewish.
now hurry up and jump to your next idiot point.

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12clicks

does repeating a lie work in your 4th grade classroom?
it doesn't here.

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race /reɪs/ Pronunciation Key -
a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
any group, class, or kind, esp. of persons: Journalists are an interesting race.



just admit you were mistaken , eat a little crow and move on , being stubborn just makes you look silly..

the key here wasnt about muslims , infact in the one quote he just said "other people" not muslims, he believes jews are educated and smart , and the others whomever they may be are uneducated killers..

that IS the textbook description of racism , not sure how more clear you could get.. the argument about wording is really semantics.. even if you dont believe its racist by your definition its somethingist lol

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Are you blind or something? - please reread my post and reply to it. It quite clearly shows you where you wished death and destruction on Muslims.

I do love though, how the defeated cower to childish name calling to try to pump up their machoism.

Doesn't work, Mr. Racist.

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SmokeyTheBear

dear braindead .. did you read the first word in bold , ill point it out for you .. USUALLY , in this case it seems you think a religion that apparently isn't yours is better than another one.

i'm not gonna continue if your not even gonna read what was written.

Just getting people to fucking read a dictionary is a hassle these days

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borked

You are right, maybe he meant Catholics or Aborigines or French, but as it was in direct reply to your comment talking only about Jews and Muslims, well, I was clearly mistaken in thinking that he was saying that all Muslims are uneducated killers

Silly me.

Enough of this already.

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yes

as of late? since the dawn of time, and it takes 2 to tango.

anyone who thinks iran does not want to wipe israel off the map isnt paying attention

they havent specifically stated "i want to build a nuke as soon as i can and then use it immediately on israel" but they havent really denied that either. their intentions.... i hate to speculate

i would doubt the report you read is based on any solid intel, that does not mean i think its unfounded.

in 81 israel bombed iraq, taking out a nuclear reactor sold by the french to saddam. israel bought the f-16s from usa but the f-16s were built for iran and we backed out cause of the iran hostage deal. we offered them to israel. israel had planned the iraq bombing for 2-3 years and there was no leak.

anyone who says "israel plans nuke attack on iran" is probably 1/2 way right, but they likely didnt hear it from israel.

also. it didnt require a 'nuke' to take out the iraq reactor and likely would not for the iran nuke program. they may be talking of using "depleted uranium" used in "bunker busters"

Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty From Wikipedia

is an international treaty, opened for signature on July 1, 1968 to limit the spread of nuclear weapons. There are 188 sovereign states party to the treaty. However, two (India and Pakistan) out of eight confirmed nuclear powers (i.e., those who have openly tested nuclear weapons), and one unconfirmed nuclear power (Israel) neither signed nor ratified the treaty. One further nuclear power (North Korea) ratified the treaty and then later withdrew. The treaty was proposed by Ireland, and Finland was the first to sign. In New York City, on May 11, 1995, the parties to the treaty decided by consensus to extend the treaty indefinitely and without conditions.

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