RFremont

Knew it was only a matter of time until you reared your ugly mug. Shouldn't you be tending to your pathetic program, can you seriously afford to lose any more potential affiliates with each one of your ignorant posts?

Pleasurepays

jesus christ. child porn, its legality and whether or not its necessary is not something that is debated by anyone. we were talking about a nationals security... not your personal habits.

iran is a direct threat to isreal becuase the support terrorism against isreal and continually make direct threats to wipe them off the map. since you are so ignorant of the history of the area in the last century... let me help you out in pointing out that almost every single one of isreals neighbors has tried to destroy them in direct military conflict and many more by proxy.

iran is threatening to destroy isreal.
iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons in open defiance of the entire international community, UN and IAEA.
iran refuses to entertain ANY diplomatic solution

and according to you, isreal shouldn't be concerned.

your a political and security genius.

notabook

Personal habits?

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SmokeyTheBear

Maybe you dont understand what "X" means you fucking nitwit. go back to school with your ignorant ass..

yet in 4 pages of posts you cant post one single factual piece of evidence to back up your claims..

you keep making the same tired claims. just like 12 clicks.. post this supposed threat, i say your full of shit.

how do you think israel got its nukes you moron.. seriously go back to school , learn some history..


another "made up" fact . i never said anything remotely close to what you just said .. so far everything you posted is complete crap.. your like a broken record ..

quote me.. or stfu your a waste of space..

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SmokeyTheBear

hmm did you or did you not say this ?? do you understand what "X" represents...

I think your paranoid or something , stay off the meds dude its unhealthy.. You sound a little out there .. everyone is out to get you , we lie in wait to attack you with news threads about curent events...

There are many many things people should be opposed to in ANY and EVERY situation.. Nuclear weapons being one of them , child exploitation being another.. "X" doesnt represent whatever you feel comfortable putting there or it wouldnt be called "X" it would be called " something that fits my argument but anything that doesnt shouldnt be here "

If you agee then your statement above is false..

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SmokeyTheBear

i think what he meant to say is he cant win an argument based on substance so he has to make lame childish innuendo's to try to make himself look better..


You will also notice a trend in these threads where if all else fails your called an anti-semite..

God sure does seem to collect the whacknuts in his various religions

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Pleasurepays

all you can do is sling insults out of necessity to deflect attention away from your pathetic arguments.

you have the cognative abilities of a 10yr old, paranoid child. you say something before you even give thought to what you are saying or what point you are trying to make merely becuase the whole point of saying it is to express and verbalize your frustration and anxiety over the situation.

for example, you say everyone should be opposed to nuclear weapons in every situation ... but you don't seem to be too opposed to Iran's development of nuclear weapons and the very real threat that they could use them... and the obvious military and security problem of having to assume that they will make good on the threats that they are making. i think that at the end of the day, every single reasonable person on the planet wished that nuclear weapons did not exist in the first place.. unfortuneately the Happy Smokey Utopia where butterflys never die and puppies don't get hit by cars doesn't exist. the world is a complicated place full of complicated political situations without perfect answers. you can't see that because you are basically a social retard, hiding in darkness, coding all day long and seem to be totally unplugged from reality (but probably not unplugged from WarCraft).

you have yet to make any sense in anything you said or to even make a defensible and rational argument. no reasonable person believes that isreal should nuke iran "just because". no reasonable person believes that iran is not a threat to the safety and security of isreal. its not like its a black and white issue where the only answer is "smokeys answer".

lets refresh once again for you.

1) a story is leaked.
2) the story is not official
3) the story intentionally uses the word "NUKES" to incite people like you, and instantly conjure up images of 12,000,000 dead men, women and children for their own benefit (whatever that turns out to be)... when in fact, they are talking about the exact same bunker buster bombs and tactical, low yield nukes which have been used many times already. (iran has major underground and fortified facilities for their nuclear program)
4) iran has threatened continually to destroy isreal.
5) iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons
6) iran refuses to engage ANY country or international authority in dialogue on the issue
7) smokey thinks that all fine and perfect and really sees no issue with it.
8) smokey claims everyone should be AGAINST nuclear weapons... but doesn't have a problem with Iran developing them. (weird)
9) because everything is fine and perfect and no security problem or military threat exists in smokeys mind - everyone else must be a fucking idiot because obviously if you don't agree with smokey, you are of substandard intelligence, ignorant of the issues and "just don't get it"

SmokeyTheBear

thats what i thought.. grow up.. im stilll waiting for your "facts" so far you have posted not one single threat.. so much for your theory lol

several facts are clear ..

#1 israel violated international law by having a secret weapons program

#2 israel violated international law by not allowing inspectors into israel

#3 israel has violated more international laws than any other country

#4 israel has nukes yet is not part of any nuclear treaty

#5 iran has no nukes..

#6 pleasurepays cant seem to substanniate anything he posts

come back when you have some facts to post and an education .. like what a variable is

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SmokeyTheBear

i never said anything of the sort , not one thing you just posted did i say or infer in any way whatsoever.. if i did you would have quoted me not put words in my mouth.. its funny that your so desperate to be "right" you have to have some deluded fatnasy about what i said..

You are being an idiot not everyone else . anyone is welcome to their opinion , your an idiot for thinking its ok to let someone who broke international law shoot nukes at another country doing the EXACT same thing..

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Vlad

if those are facts , then I'm an astronaut.

interesting who writted those "international laws" ....

and also I wonder how would anyone know if Israel or Iran have a nuke weapons.. sure, reading bbc stories is great fun , but you don't have access to top mil. secrets , so it's FAR away from being FACTs ...

Scottish Guy

To make this story simple its like me having an illegal machine gun in my house and my next door neighbour saying he is going to get an illegal machine gun like mine, So would it be ok if I blow his brains out? Surely the police would understand it was self defence because he was going to buy a gun too. Infact I would be recognized as a hero in my town for protecting my other neighbours and myself

Pleasurepays

LOOK YOU DUMB FUCKING IDIOT... I AM NOT DEFENDING ISREALS NUCLEAR PROGRAM, ITS ORIGINS OR ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. I AM NOT DEFENDING ISREAL. I DONT GIVE A FUCK IF THEY ALL KILL EACH OTHER TOMORROW... ITS NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY DIRECT AFFECT ON MY LIFE AT ALL.

Just making the simple statement that Iran is threatening Isreal and is intentionally escalating things to the point that taking action to stop it, is a reasonable thing to expect. Not saying its right. Not saying its wrong. I am saying its a reasonable solution to expet to a situation where the safety and security of a country is being threatened by its neighbors.

You are simply playing on the use of the word "nuclear" without even understanding what the fucking article was about to begin with and what context the word was used. Some idiot chose that headline to incite retards like you into throwing a fit because you already have a strong view on isreal/iran and already have a position BEFORE the article was written.

You are critical of one side and one side only. You are so fucking blinded by your own stupid fucking narrow perspective that you can't even admit there are two sides of the issue.

You have to be the thickest person on this board.

try to wrap your pathetic, tiny pea brain around this simple statement:
"There are two sides to the issue"

that is all. end. done. over.

Scottish Guy

Here is living prove that Israel has nuclear weapons

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Vanunu

Poor guy got 18 years in prison for telling the world 11 of those spent in solitary confinement.

SmokeyTheBear

greetings
the same and only people who write internatinal laws ..

besides the front page times pictures of israeli nuclear warheads ? the u2 overflights and ex-military officials.. i suppose no more than we know any other country has them. we will know for sure if they launch them..

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Vlad

well , if it's writted in wikipedia , and also in press , then it's sure a proof !

SmokeyTheBear

yet you cant post one single piece of evidence to back up your claim..

It would be simple if it were true but so far you have posted zip zero nada to bolster your theory..

I'll be wating for your facts.. anytime your ready .

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SmokeyTheBear

lets see.. hmm written in the press , front page pictures on the times, u2 overflights . ex-military and scientists.. lol what more proof do you need. if thats not proof, what exactly would prove it to you ?

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Vlad

pictures of atomic weapons ... oh , please...

SmokeyTheBear

what part of that do you not understand..


This is what a picture of a nuclear warhead looks like



Are you having some sort of trouble understaing this im missing. ?

The most popular newspaper in america published pictures of israel's nukes ( albeit it was 1968 so the pics werent as good as the ones above. ) but if your trying to argue whether israel has nukes or not sheesh i dont know what to say.. try another angle ?

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Vlad

lol , Smokey , how you do imagine photos of atomic weapons , you think there is HUGE atomic rocket standing in middle of desert ?!?

and actually , when you see a photo , how do you know it's atomic weapon ?! you are nuclear weapons expert or saw such things in real life ?

Vlad

I see big green rocket that probably full of shit inside , now , PROVE ME wrong.

Vlad

Grow up Smokey.

Scottish Guy

If Israel did not have nuclear weapons why do they refuse to admin or deny these claims?

Vanunu took photographs of the place where they were building the nuclear bombs and gave them to the press. If he was lying why did they lock him up for 18 years and why now that he is released can't he leave Israel and why does he have to give notice if he is leaving town and why is he banned from talking to journalists?

I know you are trying to make your point heard but you can't dismiss facts like this, You are only listening to the facts that support your claim

Vlad

If he would have any real info , he would be killed 18 years ago and not locked up.

Just for theory , maybe Israel wants this story around for some purpose ?

I didn't locked him up , so I don't know why , do YOU ?

SmokeyTheBear

lol your right there are no nukes , its all a big sham..

sorry for the confusion i couldnt see the logic of your argument until now.. but now i get it , everyone just makes the stuff up ... nothing is real , those arent people on tv being killed they are just gas filled balloons

If you cant accept facts like blatant pictures of nuclear weapons on the front page of america's most popular newspaper then the only proof that would be valid would be blowing one up in front of you right

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SmokeyTheBear

like i said before . what would prove it for you.. ?

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Vlad

Excuse me , but did you just compared weapons of mass destruction to machine gun ?


This is absurd.

Vlad

What would , I guess seeing it in person , and still this wouldn't do that ...

I'm not nuclear weapons expert and I didn't saw nuclear weapons in real , I don't even know how it's looks like...

but if dirty press is "proof" for you , then it's fine

Scottish Guy

The man went to the press with the information so killing him would have made it worse for Israel as he warned the media he may be killed for exposing the weapons. So instead he was arrested as a traitor of Israel there was no secrecy in that. But he all his court hearings were highly confidential and he was released once all info was absolute public knowledge even if it is meant to be secretive. Please listen to the facts these are real facts stop trying to reject them because they do not fit in with your theory. If everyone did that the planet earth would still be "flat"

yota71

Anyone that we, The Us are backing has nuclear wepons access. I f you think any differently you are blind. This is someone else who has a problem, helping us out with our agenda.

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Vlad

I'll listen to the facts once I'll see them , thanks

Scottish Guy

Ok you are one of the stupidest fuckers I have ever bumped into in a forum. How the fuck do you know anything is real you could have been fed a pack of lies at birth and we are all conspiring against you.

You say that if you seen them in person you still would not believe? well there is no point on ever debating with you on any subject

How do you know that Iran is a threat to Israel? the only thing I can suggest is you heard it in the press. Why did you ever start debating if you don't believe anything the press say

The press may exagerate things and get things wrong but generally they are right.

SmokeyTheBear

no i didnt.. if i did you would have quoted me saying " machine guns are like wmd's "


but since i didnt say that the logical answer is no , machine guns are not wmd's . glad i could point that out for you..

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SmokeyTheBear

well make up your mind

so nothing would prove it to you.. so as far as your concerned theres no such thing as nuclear weapons.. ok then..
trust me when the time comes , you will know..


dont trust me ask your teacher at school read what the us of a's evaluation of israel's nuclear capacity is.. dont know what to tell you man .. go back to school ? everyone is tricking you ? its all a conspiracy ? were in the matrix dude ?

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Scottish Guy

No I never compared wmd to a machine gun I actually brought it down to a scale that was possibly easier to understand since you don't understand what my point is

and yes I know the second part of what I posted was absurd but I was mearly trying to simplify my point for you to understand .

Scottish Guy

Vlad

READ THE THREAD BEFORE REPLYING

SEE THAT I DIDN'T QUOTED YOU ?

Now go to bed smokey , you are talking lots on nonsence.

see you around

Vlad

classic victim of nowadays media...

it's could be worse for you.

Mr. Romance

I truely hope they can come to a peaceful conclusion


Mr. Romance

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