America is a third world country.

[After Shock Media]

Enough said.

[WWC]

no no...please tell us more...we love hearing it :-)

ps; when are Americans getting cell phones? enough already....i want one

[CDSmith]

In some areas it even resembles one.


Let any country without a ghetto cast the first stone.

[SomeCreep]

Earth is a 3rd world planet.

[jasonir]

You got that idea from reading my thread. http://www.gfyboard.com/showthread.php?t=671736

I think America rocks btw and is in no way a 3rd world country. If you think it's a third world country, you've obviously never been to a third world country.

[Dagwolf]

What's a 2nd world country?

[jasonir]

Originally Posted by Dagwolf

What's a 2nd world country?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_world_country

Never ask before checking Wikipedia. Thanks.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by jasonir

You got that idea from reading my thread. http://www.gfyboard.com/showthread.php?t=671736

I think America rocks btw and is in no way a 3rd world country. If you think it's a third world country, you've obviously never been to a third world country.

No I said it in that thread.
Big difference, I have felt it for a long time.

And yes I have been to a third world country outside of the one I live in.

[jasonir]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

And yes I have been to a third world country outside of the one I live in.

Clearly someone has mother issues. America rocks.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by jasonir

Clearly someone has mother issues. America rocks.

Why?

We have not done shit, we have oppressed even more, we have stripped away very simple rights that we hold dear, our press is no longer free, our health care system is fucked beyond belief, we have AIDS wiping out vast numbers of minorities going entirely unchecked, our leaders are bought and sold like trading cards, the majority of the population lives below the poverty line, the school systems are fucked, standards have been lowered everywhere, a very small rich ruling class dictates how we live, we are enslaving an extreme percentage of the breeding males of given ethnic classes to our prison systems which are also a failure, our courts are a joke to the rich and a curse to the poor.

What else is needed to qualify?
What makes us rock?

[jasonir]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Why?

We have not done shit, we have oppressed even more, we have stripped away very simple rights that we hold dear, our press is no longer free, our health care system is fucked beyond belief, we have AIDS wiping out vast numbers of minorities going entirely unchecked, our leaders are bought and sold like trading cards, the majority of the population lives below the poverty line, the school systems are fucked, standards have been lowered everywhere, a very small rich ruling class dictates how we live, we are enslaving an extreme percentage of the breeding males of given ethnic classes to our prison systems which are also a failure, our courts are a joke to the rich and a curse to the poor.

What else is needed to qualify?
What makes us rock?

The overall theme of your response is "Whaaaa, it sucks to be poor." America rocks because it has made me rich. And you can't argue with a free economy.

[Matt 26z]

Well there are large amounts of Americans who live in rural areas that live very poorly.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by jasonir

The overall theme of your response is "Whaaaa, it sucks to be poor." America rocks because it has made me rich. And you can't argue with a free economy.

I am not poor by most standards just as you are far from rich by most standards.

You are correct though I can not argue with a free economy since we do not have one.

So again what makes America "rock"?
Because some people make enough or more than enough money to rise from the standard? Every third world country has those people.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Well there are large amounts of Americans who live in rural areas that live very poorly.

As well as inner city.
As well as in suburbs. These people though just happen to be slaves and have not yet realized it due to the illusions and lack of education to understand the basics of economics.

[jasonir]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I am not poor by most standards just as you are far from rich by most standards.

You don't know me.

You also talk about a lot of things you know absolutely nothing about. For starters, you obviously don't know what "third world" or "free economy" mean. So I'm not going to sit here and argue over the internets with someone who generalizes and pulls shit out of his ass.

Though I'm sure you're a very nice person IRL.

Just as I'm not a sarcastic trolling bastard IRL. It's past my bedtime.

[jasonir]

BTW, the term you're looking for is "Fourth World" a hippy bs term thought up by people like you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_World


edit: cough, pardon my spelling.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by jasonir

You don't know me.

You also talk about a lot of things you know absolutely nothing about. For starters, you obviously don't know what "third world" or "free economy" mean. So I'm not going to sit here and argue over the internets with someone who generalizes and pulls shit out of his ass.

Though I'm sure you're a very nice person IRL.

Just as I'm not a sarcastic trolling bastard IRL. It's past my bedtime.

Everyone generalizes, it is required in order to speak of large groups.

Feel free to correct me if you are able to, if I am just pulling shit out of my ass or if you really feel I do not know enough about a given subject.

[scotty2hotty1111]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Why?

We have not done shit, we have oppressed even more, we have stripped away very simple rights that we hold dear, our press is no longer free, our health care system is fucked beyond belief, we have AIDS wiping out vast numbers of minorities going entirely unchecked, our leaders are bought and sold like trading cards, the majority of the population lives below the poverty line, the school systems are fucked, standards have been lowered everywhere, a very small rich ruling class dictates how we live, we are enslaving an extreme percentage of the breeding males of given ethnic classes to our prison systems which are also a failure, our courts are a joke to the rich and a curse to the poor.

What else is needed to qualify?
What makes us rock?

i hear you on that one after shock. i feel the same way america is done . the dollar has no value. companies are packing up and moving elsewhere . free health care is killing the tax payer . and to top it all off dumbass is to busy with the useless war .

[starpimps]

why you hating on america
its a great place..but canada is better

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by jasonir

You don't know me.

BTW I do not have to know you to have a damn good chance of being correct when I say you are not rich to most standards. You could very well be well off. Rich in this country is a whole other level.

Originally Posted by starpimps

why you hating on america
its a great place..but canada is better

I am not hating on America. I am criticizing it and calling it what it is. It does not reflect on my love of the idea of America.

[godisdead]

America once was the land of the free I've heard. It may still be the best around, but that still doesn't have to mean that it's good.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by godisdead

America once was the land of the free I've heard. It may still be the best around, but that still doesn't have to mean that it's good.

How can we say we are the best anymore either?
Aside from producing criminals, what are we the best in really?

Oh ok, we can fuck some shit up with weapons, that I will give you as well.

[jasonir]

I wanted to go to bed at 2 AM, but here I am, arguing on the internet with someone I've never met before, again.

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Why?

We have not done shit

Oh please. Give me a fucking break.

, we have oppressed even more,

Oppressed who? The Iraqis? I will agree that the invasion was unjust and the occupation should be ended as soon as possible, but leaving it as it is would just make it a breeding ground for more problems. I hardly think you are oppressing the Iraqis.

Maybe you're talking about the blacks. I do not think America oppresses the blacks. Perhaps to a certain degree, yes. They are not given the same opportunities to go to the good schools, there IS definitely racial profiling, there is definitely racism. But is there a concerted effort to oppress the blacks? Hell no. No one is campaigning for the next election on a platform of oppressing the blacks.

we have stripped away very simple rights that we hold dear,

You certainly have, I will agree with you there.

our press is no longer free,

When was the last time you read a blog? If you think your press is being forced to report on stories a certain way, maybe you should get your news somewhere else.

our health care system is fucked beyond belief,

I had a sunburn checked out in Miami and it cost me $800. Yes your health care system is expensive, but people know they need medical insurance. Those who can't afford it are fucked for sure. I'll agree with you there.

we have AIDS wiping out vast numbers of minorities going entirely unchecked,

This isn't true at all. The HIV drugs that have been developed in your country are saving lives. And more and more people are getting tested for HIV. Getting tested for HIV doesn't carry the stigma it once did. It no longer means you're gay. I was in the hospital the other week and the doctor told me some nuns had come in and gotten tested. Testing is free in most areas and anyone stupid enough to not get tested gets what they deserve.

On that note, there needs to be funding for Post-Exposure Prophylaxis for HIV. I believe that it is very important for preventing the spread of HIV, but it is also very expensive, about $1000 for the drugs alone.

our leaders are bought and sold like trading cards,

Lobbying has been around for how long?

the majority of the population lives below the poverty line,

Please provide me with a statistic that proves this, because I couldn't find one. Thanks.

the school systems are fucked,

Not all of them, obviously.

standards have been lowered everywhere,

I doubt it. You seem bitter about something... what's the matter?

a very small rich ruling class dictates how we live,

Boy you drank the Kool-Aid, didn't you?

we are enslaving an extreme percentage of the breeding males of given ethnic classes to our prison systems which are also a failure, our courts are a joke to the rich and a curse to the poor.

Ken Lay isn't laughing.

What else is needed to qualify?

AOTA.

What makes us rock?

It's too fucking late, perhaps someone will take over for me here.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

BTW I do not have to know you to have a damn good chance of being correct when I say you are not rich to most standards. You could very well be well off. Rich in this country is a whole other level.

I'm kind of curious now.

How do you know the guy isn't rolling in dough and papers his walls with 100 dollar bills?

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

I'm kind of curious now.

How do you know the guy isn't rolling in dough and papers his walls with 100 dollar bills?

I am going to let him sleep, he is cranky so I will respond to you for now.
I left the word chance in there for a reason, I could be wrong. The rich in this country are typically listed by how many billions they have, not millions.

Edit - honest reason for not responding to him, numerous quotes in one message make it a fucking bitch.

[jasonir]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

I'm kind of curious now.

How do you know the guy isn't rolling in dough and papers his walls with 100 dollar bills?

I actually have $4000 in hundreds in my pocket and I'm more than willing to take a picture if called out. Of course that's only because I was over at the Fallsview earlier playing $1500 hands of blackjack.

[jasonir]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

The rich in this country are typically listed by how many billions they have, not millions.

Edit - honest reason for not responding to him, numerous quotes in one message make it a fucking bitch.

I think most people on here will agree that having millions qualifies as rich. Maybe not "the rich" but definitely rich.

And the reason you're not responding to me is because you can't back your shit up.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by jasonir

I actually have $4000 in hundreds in my pocket and I'm more than willing to take a picture if called out. Of course that's only because I was over at the Fallsview earlier playing $1500 hands of blackjack.

Never said you could not be well off.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by jasonir

And the reason you're not responding to me is because you can't back your shit up.

Working on it, shit takes time due to multi quotes in same page. Hate for it to look like confusing rubish.

[jasonir]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Working on it, shit takes time due to multi quotes in same page. Hate for it to look like confusing rubbish.

Why are you wasting your time dude? I agreed with quite a bit of what you had to say. Some of the things were just over-generalized and I disagreed with them on a practical basis.

I'm going to sleep. Night.

[Jakke PNG]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

In some areas it even resembles one.


Let any country without a ghetto cast the first stone.

*casting*

[woj]

it's far from a 3rd world country, but it's not even close what it was perhaps 20 years ago...

[After Shock Media]

In regards to doing shit: What has the US done recently that the excelled at?

Oppression: Was not talking about the war, they do not live within the borders. We can leave that off the table. I am speaking of general oppression of our own people with minorities many of which are becoming majorities soon (non whites). You covered most of it yourself. No one has to come out and run on a platform in regards to it for it not to be true.

Freedom of the press: How about the sites that go offline due to politics and threat of jail time? We can leave off the table that to much of the media is owned by just a few companies as well.
Though if we do have freedom of speech, why would I need to be put in a special zone in order to protest at a speech, one very very far away in a fenced area?
Why are more and more debates and rallies invite only?

Medical: If you can afford insurance which many can not it somewhat works. If you are near dirt poor you are also in the clear, more so than those that can afford it actually. Now if you are somewhere in the middle you are in essence fucked.

AIDS: Check the infection numbers in poor ethnic regions of the US. Places with either a high prison turn over ratio or bad drug usage combined with a lack of desirable males. Tell me why we can not have needle exchange programs in these areas? Why do we not have condoms in prison?
Simple fact the rate of infection among poor women in America and specially African American women is insanely high in comparison to white people in general. Quick link to older data. Government does not check often.

Lobbyist: Never to the level it is at today.

Poverty: I know my wording was wrong on this one and will take the hit. Even with adjustments for inflation and the like, the majority is above the poverty line if you go by census reports. Though they ignore areas under 65k people. Regardless some 40+ million live below the poverty line.

School system: as a whole typically fucked. Yes a generalization, yet the majority of people attend them.

Standards being lowered: School testing, admittance guidelines, hell even the Military has lowered their standards.

Small ruling class: A number of corporations and groups get to decide nearly everything. Back to the lobbyist.

Prison system: Just because it works against the rich on occasion does it mean it is not biased?

It is late: Yes you are right I am cross eyed right now.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by jasonir

Why are you wasting your time dude? I agreed with quite a bit of what you had to say. Some of the things were just over-generalized and I disagreed with them on a practical basis.

I'm going to sleep. Night.

It is late, had nothing else to do and was not tired when I started.

[jasonir]

I would like to ignore most of your response for the endurance of my sanity but will touch on a few things.

1) Free speech zones: Absolutely 100% agree with you here.
2) Condoms in prison and needle sharing: I, like you, wish there was more being done to stop the spread of HIV. Thank you for your insight.

I agree with you on most things, but I think you understand that America is NOT a Third World Country.

Enough said.

[Violetta]

I'm glad I live in Norway!

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by jasonir

I would like to ignore most of your response for the endurance of my sanity but will touch on a few things.

1) Free speech zones: Absolutely 100% agree with you here.
2) Condoms in prison and needle sharing: I, like you, wish there was more being done to stop the spread of HIV. Thank you for your insight.

I agree with you on most things, but I think you understand that America is NOT a Third World Country.

HAHA ok.

Honestly thread was not meant to lure in someone like yourself who would pick at generalizations as much. I just sometimes leave this types of threads as good night messages, to see what they turn into by morning.

Had fun.

[jasonir]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Had fun.

We all like to troll.

Good night dude.

[Wiggles]

Conrad said that on the last Weeds episode.

[edgeprod]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

What makes us rock?

You answered your own question. This stuff is GREAT!

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

We have not done shit, we have oppressed even more, we have stripped away very simple rights that we hold dear, our press is no longer free, our health care system is fucked beyond belief, we have AIDS wiping out vast numbers of minorities going entirely unchecked, our leaders are bought and sold like trading cards, the majority of the population lives below the poverty line, the school systems are fucked, standards have been lowered everywhere, a very small rich ruling class dictates how we live, we are enslaving an extreme percentage of the breeding males of given ethnic classes to our prison systems which are also a failure, our courts are a joke to the rich and a curse to the poor.

Life is tough, get a fucking helmet. Or ... kill yourself so the rest of us can go back to being the very small rich ruling class that dictates how everyone else lives. Now watch out before I enslave an extreme percentage of the breeding males in your ethnic class in a prison system which is also quite a failure. I'll just pick up the phone to one of those leaders bought and sold like trading cards.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have an appointment to lower my standards and to oppress you more.

[BitAudioVideo]

someone eat some bad shrooms?

i can promise you one thing.. im not leaving the USA to move to Haiti any time soon.

[J. Falcon]

US is not a third world country, it just likes to invade third world countries, and therefore maintain its first world status.

[rodney25]

Originally Posted by jasonir

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_world_country

Never ask before checking Wikipedia. Thanks.

lol There's no point in asking if he already checked it on wikipedia.

[fetishblog]

If you don't like it here, move. 'Nuff said.

[Marshal]

hmmm, interesting statement here...

[godisdead]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

How can we say we are the best anymore either?
Aside from producing criminals, what are we the best in really?

Oh ok, we can fuck some shit up with weapons, that I will give you as well.

I judge countries by the amount of economic and political freedom they grant their citizens. I thought America is better than most other countries in that. If you can prove me wrong here, please do so. I hate to believe in wrong ideas.

[kowalsky]

America is a continent!!

[adultchica]

Originally Posted by godisdead

I judge countries by the amount of economic and political freedom they grant their citizens. I thought America is better than most other countries in that. If you can prove me wrong here, please do so. I hate to believe in wrong ideas.

I agree with you on this. America isn't perfect by any means, but compared to many other countries, we are somewhat better. Can you show us we are wrong?

[SCORE Ralph]

So when are you running for president, After Shock Media?

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Wiggles

Conrad said that on the last Weeds episode.

Really? Still on my DVR yet to watch.

Originally Posted by fetishblog

If you don't like it here, move. 'Nuff said.

I always hated this statement. I love the idea of the United States/America. It is also a vital part of it for some to take a step back and point out what is wrong or what they do not agree with.

Originally Posted by godisdead

I judge countries by the amount of economic and political freedom they grant their citizens. I thought America is better than most other countries in that. If you can prove me wrong here, please do so. I hate to believe in wrong ideas.

How much political freedom do we really have? We are stuck in a rigged system with two parties forced up on us that get all of the money. Our political debates are more than limited, invite only, and with approved questions or talking points being the only thing allowed. Broken and or possibly rigged voting machines. Polling centers that are strategically placed to turn away as many of the poor as possible. We have done away with any real reliable paper trails and must just take their words for it. We have had courts make the final choice. Even then the masses do not vote on or hear issues, they vote on propaganda and hate ads.

I just find it hard to have political freedom when politics follows everyone from the streets to their bedrooms, where politics can lock you up and prevent you from ever voting again. I find it even more unpalatable when you can not be arrested and locked away for an indefinite amount of time on no real charges and not being able to face your accuser nor obtain legal counsel. Yes I am upset we have suspended habeas corpus.

Originally Posted by adultchica

I agree with you on this. America isn't perfect by any means, but compared to many other countries, we are somewhat better. Can you show us we are wrong?

Unfortunately we are apathetic and no longer care. Everything must be black and white. Find me a list of other countries that have suspended habeas corpus.
We place religion over science, we also legislate morals whenever we can, as we all know what is best for everyone else.
I feel it all starts at a very young age. We are taught to not really ask questions, we are prepped to be good little consumers at the expense of everything else. We fill our text books with myths, lies, and fairy tales. Any real education is far from important nor needed. After all we can graduate up failures and just lower what is expected of students. Then we wonder why more people believe in angels than evolution, or that Christopher Columbus made his trip to prove the world was round.

I do not expect America to be perfect. I do not feel it is an entirely terrible place yet either. Our grandparents version of America was great and better than most countries, with several major exceptions of course (race relations, and so forth). I would just desire for us as a country to change the course we are on and stop putting up with the shit they are feeding us. Enough of the illusions.