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Ok carry on.

Thought so. Another runting message board kiddy without any critical thinking skills.

You represent the majority who have been sucked up into the great mind control spin.

If by critical thinking you mean believing that there is some big conspiracy out to get us all, then no I dont. Little kiddy. lol

I have to go though a black helicopter just flew over, and im not quite done covering the roof of my house with tinfoil.

Now to take this thread in a whole new direction.
These statistics might explain a lot.

More than 54 million Americans have a mental disorder in any given year, although fewer than 8 million seek treatment (SGRMH, 1999).
Depression and anxiety disorders ? the two most common mental illnesses ? each affect 19 million American adults annually (NIMH, 1999).
Approximately 12 million women in the United States experience depression every year ? roughly twice the rate of men (NIMH, 1999).
One percent of the population (more than 2.5 million Americans) has schizophrenia (Schizophrenia Bulletin, 1998).
Bipolar disorder, also known as manic-depressive illness, affects more than 2 million Americans (NIMH, 2000).
Each year, eating disorders such as anorexia nervosa and bulimia nervosa affect millions of Americans, 85-90 percent of whom are teens and young adult women (NMHA, 2000).
Depression greatly increases the risk of developing heart disease. People with depression are four times more likely to have a heart attack than those with no history of depression (NIMH, 1998).
Approximately 15 percent of all adults who have a mental illness in any given year also experience a co-occurring substance abuse disorder, which complicates treatment (SGRMH, 1999).
Up to one-half of all visits to primary care physicians are due to conditions that are caused or exacerbated by mental or emotional problems (CFHC, 1998).

http://www.nmha.org/infoctr/didyou.cfm

Dont worry, you will be intimately familiar with 4 white padded walls before the 'truth' comes out.

Hey, while you're looking for 9/11 truth, can you also find me some shape-shifting reptilians.. and maybe Mulder's sister?

Critical thinking skills? WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

'Creative writing' is not the same as 'critical thinking'. Writing neat sci-fi scenarios about 9/11 is not critical thinking.

In fact, the one thing you are obviously not in possesion of is critical thinking skills - oh wait, actually you simply choose to apply your 'critical thinking skills' to 9/11 events. If you were to use your powers by critically analyzing the 9/11 conspiracy, you'd realize what a FUCKING RETARD you are.

You represent the mentally unstable minority who have been sucked into paranoia and sociopathy. And you will keep lots of sci-fi and conspriacy writers in business - but hey, it's a free country.

Hey this guy has critcal thinking. For instance he just had his thread he made tonight about paying a black man to ass rape him. :winkwink:

If you watch the new video, at 20:01 when tower 2 has fallen, you can see the center structural columns still intact up to atleast the 60th or 70th floor. That puts to rest the theory that the floors compounding on top of one another could possibly crush a steel ibeam lengthwise. The floors collapsed AROUND the center structure, with the center structure being last to fall. If you know anything about construction materials or about tube structures, which is what tower one and two were, you can see what happened.

When people say, "Well the towers were built to withstand so and so mile per hour winds" and "withstand being hit by a commercial jet" they are talking about sway. Can the building remain upright after taking a hit like that. In which case, the answer is yes. BUT...can each floor withstand the weight of 2 or 3 more floors resting on top of them? No.

The floors on the world trade center were prefab panels that were attached to the main outer structure with angle red iron and rivets. There is only so much shear pressure a rivet, bolt, nut or anything else can take. They were designed to hold more weight than the floor weight ofcourse, due to forseeing large volumes of people, equipment, etc. But they were not designed to withstand the weight and FORCE of overhead floors (consisting of more steel, more concrete, more equipment, not to mention the added weight of a 747) coming down on them. Slamming down on them.

The new video should dispell ANY myths about a controlled demo of those buildings. If you were going to demo a building, you would NOT leave the center support structure uncharged.

The problem still remains however, which members of our own political shit hole let it happen? That's the real question. It's the Pearl Harbor of the 21st century.

Yes you have it exactly right Nick. Well the last paragraph is up for opinion hehe. Anyone that has worked in construction can easily understand what went on.

Seriously dude, on page 2 of this thread you were saying that the fires were hot enough to melt the steel.

On page 3 you said that the force of the floors coming down would crush the steel and cause it to come down with the rest of the building.

Now you agree with what I say and not only that, you elude to the fact that you may have held a 2x4 in your hand once.

I shook your slimey little hand and I can tell you, you may have never even DRIVEN past a construction site. I worked construction a long time, and you just ain't what it takes on a construction site. Perhaps Dad hooked you up with a part time summer gig sitting in the air conditioned jobsite trailer and running to starbucks for him...but that don't count.

You are condescending to people with an alternate view of your own. You change your "well researched and thought out" opinions to suit your needs. You are quite possibly the most annoying person I have ever had the displeasure to meet in person or on the web. Your like that kid in school who would poke and prod, then go crying to mommy when you bit off more than you could chew.

My post was NOT me agreeing with you or any of your theories. Don't get all happy and agreeable with me. It was me watching the video and making my own assumption based on what I know from 10 years in commercial concrete and working in, on and around all the materials used in the construction of those towers. It is what makes sense to me.

Take your government and your god and your condescending bullshit and shove it up your ass. Just because a person questions something, it does not make them an idiot. You need to learn that.

Try listening to both sides of an argument. You are like the government you so love. You are an ideologist. You have your mind made up before you are presented with facts. You judge people based on your own little minds opinion of what the world is and should be.

Don't ever say anything else to me. I will do you the same honor.

P.S. Welcome to ignore spot #8. You're in good company with such heroes as SexEducation and Confucy...

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I thought John69 was the biggest retard in this thread but no...he isnt anymore.

You do know what thermite is, don't you? I would hope you didn't just read this from some site and decide it was thermite.

Thermite is not an explosive, it's an incendiary. In order for it to cut horizontally and be used in the way the conspiracy theorists have stated, it would had to have been applied to the actual steel beforehand. You also need a lot of it to get the desired result

Thus, for this to be true, thousands and thousands of pounds would have to have been placed directly on the steel beforehand, held in direct contact throughout, and remotely ignited. Considering the WTC was one of the most secure buildings in the world and housed the top financial companies, you would have to assume that they were in on it as well seeing as how they would have had to have gone in well before, exposed the steel, and placed the thermite in direct contact.

Not to be a jerk, but the thermite conspiracy is one of the most laughable ones out there. There are much better ones for you to choose from.

Do you know how many tons of thermite would be needed to do this? There is no way it would come close to being enough to do what people have asserted. Thermite is also not an explosive, it's an incendiary. Being on a plane would literally do absolutely nothing to help bring down the WTC.

Do some research on what thermite is before you post something that is completely wrong.

Thermite can be loaded and used as a catalyzing factor to compound the events. One of many to ensure the WTC's collapse. Too bad the debris was quickly carted off to China before any investigation can reveal molten metal pieces for inspection. Gubment couldn't have any of that now, couldn't they....

There are multiple inconvenient facts (that debaters here keep 'conveniently' ignoring) that point overwhelmingly in only one direction.

such as:

whatreallyhappened.com/thermite.htm <---- thermal hotspots underneith the collapse that are hundreds of degree's above any maximum temperature that can be reached by hydrocarbons (jet fuel).

Thermite is a plausable explanation backed by video footage.

Owned much? How do you like your ownage deep fried? (not as hot as thermite though)

Catalyzing what? Seriously, read one of the zillion pages on thermite, call a chemist, please dear God learn what thermite is.

It's not an explosive, it's an incendiary that would need to be placed on the exposed steel and ignited with a remote device. This is fact, and there isn't a human being alive who knows anything about thermite who disagrees with that. Even your conspiracy theorists know that, which is why they have said that thermite was planeted beforehand. You are the only one I've ever seen say it was on the plane. Does that tell you something?

This still doesn't account for the mass amounts of thermite that would be needed and on the exposed steel to do the job. You would need thousands and thousands of pounds of thermite placed directly on the steel columns to get that reaction. How did they possibly manage to do that as well as setup remote detonators while people worked for months leading up to the attack?

Now it's China? It was Europe a week ago from someone else? Would you guys pick a fucking country already?

The fact is that the steel was sold all over. Some of it was also kept. They have a giant hangar that has tons of parts from the building in it, including some that were deemed as memorable (the last piece removed that everyone signed, original front columns, etc). They just had it on TV.

Not to mention that it wasn't really the US that sold it all. A bunch of NYC and New Jersey scrap yards had the steel, they sold some of it to China, some to India, and so on. They built ships with it, memorials with it, it's everywhere. The US didn't sell the steel, the scrap yards did. If you want to say they were in on it, go ahead, but the US didn't cart shit off to China.

Of course this is why no credible scientists have concluded this?

Seriously, if you are going to hoist a few pics and automatically determine it is from thermite (thermate) when you don't even know how it works, you are crazy. First, thermite/thermate burns down, with gravity, not across like it would have to to sheer the metal. Second, it takes a shitload of thermate, something to ignite it, and it has to be in direct contact with it to do so. You would have to plant it way in advance. It also doesn't explode which kills all your "he heard an explosion" quotes. Lastly, almost every credible engineer and scientist concluded that it was probably aluminum with the jet feul that caused anything you may be seeing in those photos.

Seriously man, not even the real conspiracy theorists buy this one. :1orglaugh

You do realize this contradicts your other thermite theory. Thermite doesn't explode, it melts.

Look, stickyfingerz, you are, obviously, from personally meeting you, an intelligent and reasonable guy.

The initial video you showed as proof that it was a natural or spontaneous building collapse was close-up and could stand as proof of either scenario.

The post with this link http://media.putfile.com/WTC-Collapse-Part-ONE explicitly states that the building was hit from the east side. Besides the problem that this doesn't explain why the whole core collapsed as well, it states that the whole thing influenced/heated one side over another.

Which would mean that the building, if not the other, would have tipped rather than gone down straight.

Now I would agree with you if at least one of these buildings had an assymetrical collapse. That means parts of, or the whole, building going down to one side or another... but that didn't happen, right?

But even the latest explanation video you posted states one side or another and ignores the fact that the whole building, all three of them, went down vertically. That would mean each one would have to have had exactly spread-out fuel and fires burning equally from the point of impact all the way to the bottom, which i'm sure you'll agree they didn't or couldn't have.

And the second building "collapsed" from the top down - but the fire wasn't up there, and there weren't any fires below that. How then could the building go down in an uniterally parallel way? It was too smooth, and logistically didn't make sense.

Beyond all theories, to short-circuit any conspiracy crap, I thought I'd mention that it looked like the buildings were built with the charges integrated in the structures - which would make sense in case the things could have somehting awful happen to them. Better 3000 dead than 30,000 which is what would happen if the towers toppled one way or another, which is vastly most likely in the logistical or physical sense.

Beyond all this there's nothing else that can explain ALL the cement, concrete, whatever, of the two towers, being pulverized beyond all ability to analyze and help understand the dynamics of the collapse - IF it's accidental.

Nothing explains the collapse of world trade building seven, too... and all of the official reports admit it.

I don't know what happened; when it gets political, I know even less, it's too convoluted.

All I know is that if three demolition companies try to unilaterally bring down three buildings simultaneously, they won't achieve the almost perfect results that occurred on september 11th, 2001...


All I could say is we obviously don't agree, sorta like different religious nuts who love and respect each other but not on doctrine... and leave it at that.

history will show us all hopefully.

Someone needs to tackle the question of why the Firemen said what they did about additional explosions nowhere near the upper levels of the towers and the Janitor stating that there was an explosion in one of the sub-levels and how some dude(s) came UP all burnt.

Sure would be nice to have all the news footage from all the networks on 9/11

Why does it have to be about engineers and scientists concluding what it probably was?

Loizeaux, who cleaned up the bombed Federal Building in Oklahoma City, arrived on the WTC site two days later and wrote the clean-up plan for the entire operation.
He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC..
Hmm.. no jet fuel or aluminum there..

And on a different note..

While steel is often tested for evidence of explosions, despite numerous eyewitness reports of explosions in the towers, the engineers involved in the FEMA-sponsored building assessment did no such tests.

So much for thorough testing by good ol' Uncle Sam..

[Awaiting cocky comebacks and a drawn out philosophical reply... ]

Sorry, but we've all learned a valuable lesson from those in this thread that prefer to rely on possiblities and probabilities, with a bit of philosophy thrown in, that those people don't count.. These witnesses didn't actually hear these things.. and those guys weren't burned..

They all got together and said, "Ok guys.. let's concoct this kewl story that we heard explosions & stuff & HEY! someone throw a match to those guys and make it look good for the press."

Not to mention that you're now among the ranks of the paranoid conspiracy nuts.. Welcome to the club! :)

stickyfingerz is a queer

This is, without a doubt, the best post I have ever read on this forum.

Do you have credible links to prove this or is it just another one of those paranoid conspiratal nutjob assumptions based on copius quantities of extraneous paraphrases?

Just curious :)

I must agree..

I kinda tried to say that throughout, but it didn't come out quite as well.. :)

Dude I agreed with you. Wtf are you talking about? And btw Ive done manual labor all my life. I assure you I can work with anyone. Up till 3 months ago I did uprigging, and am still available if they call me. Do you know what uprigging is? Its hanging over a beam 120ft up in the air and pulling 80ft of 3/4" chain up with a rope 20 times a night. If you think you can hang and want to try doing it sometime come here to Nashville and Ill get you a training spot. Ive worked since I was 8 for my father doing heating and cooling on construction sites and in homes. Ive hauled cast iron furnaces up from basements they shouldnt fit in. I daily moved things that weighed way more than me. I worked in autobody for 4 years and had my own body shop for 2 of those years. Busting my ass sanding and banging metal back into shape. You think just because Im not a big guy I cant hang? Dude I guarantee you Im in better shape then you. I do 100 push ups and situps every night, and jog every other morning about 2 miles or so.

You are letting your political hatred get in the way of good judgement. I jumped in and defended you in the past and you let a politcal discussion taint things. Wake the fuck up man. Ive never backed down from anything in my life as far as work goes. You think you have the balls then visit me in Nashville and Ill let you walk the beam 120ft off the ground with no saftey rope till you get out to where you are working and tie off. I dont know who pissed in your fuckin coffee, but you better get over it.

And for all the more recent questions on how it happened, watch the video, AND watch the slideshow. They explain it in detail. If you still dont believe it doesnt matter because nothing is ever going to change your mind period.

If anyone wants to make a discussion thread personal, well thats just plain silly. If you dont like what I say then disagree with me. Some of my best friends in life are my polar opposites when it comes to politics. They dont think any less of me because of it, nor do I of them. Its called being a grown up.

interesting

I don't think anyone will ever be able to elaborate on every noise that was heard on 9/11. I'm sure it was sheer chaos in those buildings and the noises and sights were something we wouldn't wish on anyone.

For an explanation, I'd imagine that there were explosions. I'd imagine flying a 747 filled with jet feul into a building at 500 MPH would cause endless damage. I'd imagine you'd hear things breaking, electical things blowing up, and so on. As floors buckled, elevators broke, doors crushed, there would be tons of noise. Although no one knows for sure what they heard, logic would tell me that it probably wasn't a bunch of explosives that were planted before.

Why don't you find something worthwhile to do Sticky and avoid answering your own damned posts and responding to others with complete trivia coments - it's called being grown up.

Ya know webby you just finally made ignore. buh bye.

And Im done with this thread for a bit. When things get out of hand with someone I thought was a good person its time to just stop. Ive got tons of work to do so Im off to it for a few hours at least.

Can assure you the best place for me is ignore on your list - does that mean you will not respond to posts in any thread? Must be my lucky day :winkwink:

See ya :thumbsup

I guess we just trust different sources. I trust experts who have loads of experience in science and engineering. You trust one or two guys who made a quote that gets blown out of proportion.

Most of the claims of molten steel are often seen as people who don't know the difference in incandescent steel and molten steel.

But to keep this going, which theory are you going with, the explosion one, or the molten steel one. You technically can't have one with the other as explosions don't cause molten steel.

First.. the subject of post-collapse molten steel is in no way related to any pre-collapse explosions, so it isn't a matter of which I choose to go with..

However, in that I have no irrefutable links as reference, I'll forego the molten steel issue.. It really has nothing to do with my concerns anyway..

As far as the engineers with loads of experience, there are a number of those who disagree with the others' findings.. And none of them have any experience in airliner/fire induced skyscraper collapses, so much of their bottom line can only be based on speculation and assumption, which is reflected in the FEMA report with the, "may have's", "could have's", "will require further study", etc.

So that leaves us with, as you say, who we choose to trust.. The comment of me choosing 1 or 2 guys was a bit light weighted.. and as I stated in a previous post, one of the videos referenced had two of these apparent experts who said bldg 1 lunged forward and fell, which by a simple viewing of the start of the collapse shows that not to be the case..

With regard to the explosions.. Not a matter of whether I choose to go with it.. it's matter of whether or not you choose to believe trained firemen, in different locations, saying they heard loud exposions.. with some saying it almost knocked them over. As for the cause of these explosions.. I've never inferred that they were from bombs or plants of any kind. I have no idea what would have caused them.

I've said it before and I'll say it again..
I'm not saying the govt did it.. I'm not saying there was any conspiracy.. I'm
not saying that I agree with any of the conspiracy guys out there..
I stand on my own with my position, which has nothing at all to do with who did what or why..
The only dog I have in the race is my thoughts that from all I am seeing on the videos.. and some photos, some of the things that have been reported as official just don't add up. .. Rather simple actually..

Fuggit. Don't change the bottom line yet....

:D

Someone you thought was a good person? Let me break it down for ya hoss.

I am still the same person I have always been. My choice to have no more dealings with you is due to the fact that 90% of your entire existence on this message board has been one of two things.

A. Either you posting, sucking someone else's dick. Example: "Yeah man, you're exactly right man...you're the best guy I ever ever met...can we cuddle?"

B. Or you trying to belittle someone else with your "superior" brain. Example: (Steve Urkel Voice) "You fucking idiot, don't you know that the weight of a human hair is exactly double when travelling at the speed of light from venus to alpha centauri. Fucking Duh?!? (pushes glasses up) That's all I would expect from your inferior brain anyway!! (Then a series of the little orange laughing smileys)"

You never just add to a conversation. You always have to post as some super braniac smart ass. Fuck that.

You remind me of like a 2 year old who jams his fingers in his ears and holds his breath when mommy says, "eat your peas".

"lalalalala....not listeninggggggggg to youuuuuuu....lalalalaa.....your a stupid dummy head...lalalalaala..."

I figured you had said something stupid in this thread related to what I said to you. That's fine. And that's why I am posting now. To clear up any misconceptions about why I don't like you. It's not because of this thread...it's because of you and people like you existing on this planet.

Been everywhere but the moon and seen everything but the breeze.

amen to that!

I've never seen you make this many typos in one post hero. How's it feel to be on the other end of the condescending remarks?

Ok, so let me get this straight, 3 months ago you were an up rigger (two words btw)...and now you're here. Congrats.

Not that it matters, but I was a concrete highrise form carpenter overseeing a crew that handled multi million dollar, high profile jobs. I know what's it's like hanging off the side of a column, no harness, dumping concrete on the 11th floor of a building with a 4 ton concrete bucket with a release handle that sticks hanging directly over my head with nothing between me and certain death other than a pile of plywood stripped from the under deck the day before. Thanks for the job offer there in Nashveeeel...but I did my time doing grunt work.

I'd like to see the MPEG of you lifting 80ft of 3/4 inch chain bro. Seriously, if you are 120ft in the air, and the chain is 80ft long, at some point you are lifting the full weight of the chain? Is that correct? Are you unclear about what 3/4 inch chain is? If that's the case, more power to you and congratulations. I personally have dealt with 20 and 40 foot chains and after seeing you in person, find it hard to believe, but sometimes looks can be deceiving right?:winkwink:

Anyway, the post wasn't really about how much chain either of us could lift. It was more inline with you acting like a know-it-all prick.

I "better get over it"...lmao...fuck you kid.