Originally Posted by Webby

Tip....

SHUT THE FUCK UP

And have a nice day Sticky :thumbsup

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

No really. Show us the proof you have to the mossad being involved. I mean it should be easy right? You are stating your little story as fact without some sort of evidence right? Surely its based off more than a couple guys dancing right?

Originally Posted by websiex

It was just terrorists fueled by the dumb fucking cunts running this country. You think the politicans give a shit about anyone? They don't care about shit, all they want is their corporate buddies to get ahead of the other countries corporate interests.

And it's going to stay like that; it is going to be all foreign interests that we have no fucking business being in, yet the big mighty USA is going to keep swinging its oversized military dick all over the place breaking down buildings with it and killing other countries' innocent civilians. Then the other countries mobsters (the terrorists) will come and fuck some of us up, while our big fucking mob bosses go back at them. It is just gang wars on a worldwide scale.

Stuck in a duopoly that basically says either way you vote, you're still going to get the big red, white, and blue dick up your ass. We are all pawns to the big elite suits, and we are on here arguing about whether 9/11 was an inside job or not.... shows the stupidity of this entire population.

This is real, there are millions of people that hate the USA, and for good reason. Whether or not 9/11 was a conspiracy or not, there are MILLIONS of people that hate the US. Maybe we should put 9/11 behind us and possibly go the route of prevention, but NO we will keep fighting a war on a WORD. Expect more terrorist attacks, we just keep adding the fuel and will do so for a LONG time, because the people in office now have the country accepting in their definiton.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

So you are saying the best plan would of been to try and appease the terrorist then? If so how would we have gone about making them happy. Do you think that hadnt been tried before? Lets here whacha got.

Originally Posted by Webby

Unlike you, I have no interest in forcing bullshit opinions, conspiracy theories or stupid solutions to them. That's the job you undertook with your "genius marketing" thread bullshit.

Nor do I have any fucking desire to prove anything about 9/11 one way or other, - tho it's clear naive Mr Sticky has established all there is to know :1orglaugh

As far as Mossad is concerned - look the fucking details up yourself. The story was printed in almost every main newspaper. Try to avoid being a totally ignorant asshole and grow up - it might help your credibility.

Originally Posted by Webby

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Well.... na... I can't be bothered saying much - it's too damned funny watching the intelligence in action :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

So you are saying the best plan would of been to try and appease the terrorist then? If so how would we have gone about making them happy. Do you think that hadnt been tried before? Lets here whacha got.

Originally Posted by websiex

Well, we go back to the start and look for when all of this bullshit started. First, we were giving them money to fight the Soviets, then we yet again sided with the Taliban to try to overthrow Sadaam... but now we're enemies?

Well, if we go back in history we can look at the Lebanese Civil War in 1982 as a good start. The US' 6th division went and helped Israel and bombed a lot of shit there. The US has no business there pretty much, yet our big military dick was swinging around taking down buildings and killing innocent people. We also fund Israel to go in and kill the civilians.

It isn't something easy to explain, it can take pages of information to see how we got into this mess, but let me tell you this much and keep it simple. They don't attack us because they "hate freedom". You don't get MILLIONS of people hating you because they "hate freedom", you get millions of people hating you because your military dick swung through their fathers/mothers/sons/daughters/friends building and killed them for regional global interests.

This terrorism bullshit is kind of recent with the dissolution of the Soviet Union. America got the hyperpower status and started swinging its dick around the region and killing people. This led to groups of people who want to maybe try to get some revenge on the war machine. Afterall, revenge is something humans really want once they themselves got stuck in the ass... so it is reasonable for them to want this and to act in horrible ways against "innocent" people, (even tho the US and Israel wipe out more innocent people than those "terrorist" boys could ever imagine doing).

All depends on how you look at it. We got our big military cock and they got their boys running around in our country waiting to blow shit up. In my opinion, if the US wasn't a hyperpower and didn't put its dick in everyones face, it wouldn't have these problems. You don't see terrorists attacking Sweden afterall...

All about the regional and corporate interests. They don't give a FUCK about you or me, it is all about their own interests. And as for the terrorists, they just want the middle east to be ... out of superpower interests and Islamic. Not good people, but we aren't any better.

(Remember, the US isn't the "people" it is the US Government. There is a strict distinction between the 2 since the "people" have no power in the government. Same as the people in the "terrorist" countries, the "terrorists" are the ones who start the shit, and then get their own people fucked up the ass. Same works with us, just the two mob bosses fighting each other and fucking the citizens. We are to blame though since we just follow along like the big stupid dumb cunts we all are... I have no sympathy for us.)

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Ok so on the first bolded point...

1. Why are you in this thread then? Think I already asked you if you had nothing to contribute to the thread to fuck off and go away.

2. Well if it was in every main newspaper then surely you have a better link than an undated, no author listed, sundayhearald article right?

Maybe another comment about me might dilute the conversation enough to make you not look like as much of a pompus ass clown ?

Originally Posted by sonofsam

stickyfingerz: Go watch some more fox news.

Originally Posted by Webby

1. It's a fascinating source of amusement watching attempts at an intelligent conversation. You had a number of sensible comments - but your reponse is too dumb, blinkered and idiotic - it's too funny.

2. Have you heard of a search engine? It's the place to find references to stuff you are clearly ignorant about. Try.. anywhere... the Washington Post suit you??

But Sticky... I really enjoy being pompous (remember to spell it correctly the next time) - especially with naive Sticky :1orglaugh You are an fountain of knowledge - it's hard to ignore.



PS But don't you like me posting Sticky? - it bounces your marketing genius thread :winkwink: When the thread hits off the page - ask another stupid question.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Well first you explain to us what you think the picture means.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

I know the history and the background. Now explain to me why that gives them the right to kill us?

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Well first you explain to us what you think the picture means.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Can we entice anymore nutso people to make themselves look silly?

Originally Posted by smashface

That must be my cue.

I don't disagree with your description of why you think the towers fell, but why does someone who disagrees with you become a nutso liberal tree hugger?

Originally Posted by RF_Erick

Well some claim the building was raging in massive fires hot enough to melt steel. What are these people made of?

Originally Posted by websiex

Because we don't do anything to stop the corporate suits from doing anything. The citizens just sit around and trust these people with their security, even though the proof is there that we are part of the cause of all of this bullshit.

I can ask you the same question, Why do we have the right to kill the innocent people in the middle eastern countries? Why can we have 30,000 civilians killed in Iraq and it is collateral damage, yet if they come and blow one of our buildings up it is a terrorist attack? The World Trade Center was actually a good target to hit from a strategic standpoint.... it was like blowing up a few cities at once considering how large the buildings were... the people inside were just "collateral damage" to the terrorists, just like the Lebanese, Iraqis, Afgans, ect are the same for us... it is just a big dick swinging contest started by US global interests after the Cold War. These people didn't just think "Hey, lets hate the US!", there is a cause and an effect, but you can keep buying into the supernatural excuse that they are innately evil. Millions of people hate us, and we are a part of the cause... blowing up more people doesn't solve shit, it just causes more of us to get blown up.

This won't stop though, the country is full of idiots who will keep voting to keep these dumb cunts in power and getting us killed, and I say good. If it really does start sinking I will bail out and leave the dumb asses stuck here with the "terrorists". I'm glad I can look out for my own self interests, because the government sure as fuck doesn't give a flying fuck what happens to me.

Like I said, once the terrorist attacks start happening frequently (which will happen), I'm out of here... I'm not sticking around and getting killed over corporate bull shit, no way, no how. You can be a patriot though and fight the "terrorists".

Originally Posted by RF_Erick

I have another question
Both towers got hit by 2 different planes in 2 different area's causing different damage, yet 2 buildings that day fell in the exact same way. Isnt that a little odd?

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

Ok, I will explain everything you are asking about.
1) The plane was travelling at about 400 MPH. I can assure that there is no such thing as 'magic fuel' that manages to physically seperate itself from the fuel tanks and explode outside the building while the entire plane enters the building. A little wonder of science called "pressure" is what caused your giant fireball.. in laymans terms: there was not enough air (oxygen) inside the building for the explosive chemical reaction to consume all the fuel.. so, in an effort to get more oxygen, the explosion will travel to where there is lots of oxygen. The sheer magnitude of the explosion consumed all the air available inside the building, let's not forget the percussive shockwave created by an impact and explosion of this magnitude.

Originally Posted by hershie

All conspiracy theories de-bunked by Popular Mechanics. All nutjobs please read and then STFU:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...e/1227842.html

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Why did we have reason to attack over there?

Iraq - a leader that claimed to have wmd, who harbored terrorists, who broke 17 U.N. resolutions.

Afganistan - Taliban leadership, country allowed terrorist training camps that Bin laden ran.

Btw we havent had another attack in 5 years, but there have been many many that were stopped by our government.

Originally Posted by Overload

oh yeah, so silly ... so how come the empire state building is still standing ? it has been hit by a bomber lost in the fog and it burned way longer than any of the towers ! ... and there were other skyscaper burnings that lasted WAY OVER 15 HOURS ! why are thopse STILL STANDING ??? ... why dont you switch on your wetware and realise that adolf george hitler bush is the wrong leader ??? ...

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

I heard testimonies of people yesterday that were on the floors where it hit, and above. One guy had skin grafts on both arms. They estimated the tempetures went from 72 degrees to 1800 degrees. Are you saying there were no fires? :uhoh Watch the video I posted in the first place where it collapses. Is there a fire in the video?

Originally Posted by pornguy

I will grant you, that it may not have been explosives, because the impact was huge.

But I believe that the US government knew or was involved, and allowed it to happen.

Other wise why was Bush sitting in the class room, when the " Nation was under attack "?

He should have been Swiftly moved out of there, and onto airforce 1, and off the ground.

Originally Posted by Scootermuze

Ok.. one more time.. watch the impact.. now pay attention.. if you actually watch, you'll see the wing tip came through the side of the bldg, and the nose came out the opposing end. then the explosion where lots & lots of fuel went up in flames.. Look at the smoke far away from the bldg.. It's black.. indicative of burning fuel.. Black smoke out the windows/structure is from oxygen depletion. Nothing magic about it.. Play it over and over.. watch the side open up.. watch the nose come out..



Wow... I'm impressed! and I believe ya.. Now apply that fun bit of science to how it would actually apply..
Take 2 hanger size wires about 2 feet long and place them parallel to each other about a foot apart.. off the floor a bit.. place a 2x4 across them and set a bottle or whatever in the center of board.. now hold that lighter to one of the wires til it weakens to the point of giving in to the weight of the board. Oh no! The bottle has toppled to one side.. the other wire stood fast while supporting an equal amount of weight..

One side of the bldg burned.. the other side didn't, yet it came down at the same time as the burned side.

Gotta love that science stuff.. :)




In the early 1970's the World Trade Center's chief structural engineer, Leslie Robertson, calculated the effect of the impact of a Boeing 707 with the World Trade Center towers. His results were reported in the New York Times where it was claimed that Robertson's study proved the towers would withstand the impact of a Boeing 707 moving at 600 miles an hour. Little did he know that decades later two aircraft, almost identical to the Boeing 707, would impact the towers.

and:

Frank DeMartini, WTC Construction and Project Mgmt.

The maximum takeoff weight for a Boeing 707-320B is 336,000 pounds.
The maximum takeoff weight for a Boeing 767-200ER is 395,000 pounds.

The wingspan of a Boeing 707 is 146 feet.
The wingspan of a Boeing 767 is 156 feet.

The length of a Boeing 707 is 153 feet.
The length of a Boeing 767 is 159 feet.

The Boeing 707 could carry 23,000 gallons of fuel.
The Boeing 767 could carry 23,980 gallons of fuel.

Not alot of difference... Oh so wrong I am...




NIST estimated the elapsed times for the first exterior panels to strike the ground after the collapse initiated in each of the towers to be approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds for WTC 2. These elapsed times were based on: (1) precise timing of the initiation of collapse from video evidence, and (2) ground motion (seismic) signals recorded at Palisades, N.Y., that also were precisely time-calibrated for wave transmission times from lower Manhattan (see NCSTAR 1-5A).
NIST

Hmmm....




Yes.. I noticed :)





Wow you're good.. but wait.. what answers did you give? One attempt about the neat pressure thing? Flailing words do not an answer make.. No links or sources..?

Damn this is fun.. :)

Originally Posted by Scootermuze

Jesus not again...

They started pumpin out that stuff when a cousin of the head of Homeland Security showed up on their doorstep ..

Originally Posted by sonofsam

stickyfingerz: Go watch some more fox news.

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

i would hardly say they 'fell in the exact same way' - just watch th video of them falling down. They both suffered a very similar impact - 757 crashing into the side of them, one slightly higher than the other...

but, they both fell down.. and, seeing as they are practcally identical buildings, i would think that given similar structural damage, the collapses would be very similar to eachother - but hell.. i learned a long time ago that logic/rational thought/physics have NO PLACE in any discussion about 9/11. It's all about partisan politics :thumbsup

You make it sound like two distinct buildings suffered two distinct attacks.. and then fell down 'the exact same way' - which is completely and utterly false.

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

With that said, I have no doubt that someone will be in here soon telling us that the towers are still standing and it's just a halogram.

Originally Posted by elitegirls

yeah exactly, lets get a extra portion of goebels style propaganda

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/jul...spinattack.htm

busted haha :)

@franck, sticky: don't you see, in too months from now, the only retarded people are you.. the others will be woken up..

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

This is so obvious that its amazing there is still debate going on.

Originally Posted by RF_Erick

The WTC had 47 columns.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid...s/site1099.jpg

Originally Posted by edgeprod

Even after seeing some of the shit people post, you still think that things being "obvious" are what they worry about?

:1orglaugh

It's really sad. I almost hope they're just stirring shit up, and don't actually BELIEVE it.

Originally Posted by RF_Erick

Both planes had the same amount of fuel and hit at the exact same spot at the exact same speed?

Did they not all fall perfectly into their footsteps? wtc 1 2 and wtc 7.
Can you show me how all 3 fell differently?
I saw a c130 plane hit a 10 story building in Iran.
I watched all day for the building collapse. It didnt.