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You have to ask yourself why is there 500 + sites that think this is a conspiracy and about 20 that try to debunk them? do you think all 500 of these people are right wing tin hat nut jobs? Not to mention 100's of videos trying to provew there point, there must be 50 alone just on google.
What needs to be seen is the tapes of the pentagon crash. If they the Goverment can show a 757 Boieng plane going in that hole then I will quit thinking as the other 500+ sites do. The Regular Network TV has most Americans BrainWashed!!! Time to smell the roses and do something about it. |
Fucking Hell do we have so many brain dead people in this world....If 9/11 was a fake why the fuck has that fucking cunt Bin Laden been seen in videos with the hijackers talking about the plot and why has he even accepted responsibility for the plot lately....mmmm... maybee you need to watch the news of current events.....or maybee that cunt Bin Ladin is in on it as well....Fuck I doubt that.....all you have to do is look at the latest threats....Then I suppose the London bombings and the Madrid train bombings were also set up....not to forget the attack on the Cole and todays attack on the US embassy in Syria or the attack in Saudia Arabia on the compound of the US workers and so many other attacks.....Fuck get real....most of us watched 9/11 LIVE on TV on many major stations mabee that was also fake....fuck let us have some respect for all those that lost family members and friends on 9\11....I bet you would not be talking shit if you had lost someone on 9/11 in the attacks or any other attacks for that matter
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Does that look like 2 main columns? Earlier you said a central column. "The main structure of the building was a central beam system surrounded on the outside by smaller beams. The fire was in the center by the beams." Wouldnt the columns on every single floor have to weaken all the way to the ground for it to pancake without any resistance? |
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At 9:37 am on 9/11, 51 minutes after the first plane hit the World Trade Center, the Pentagon was similarly attacked. Though dozens of witnesses saw a Boeing 757 hit the building, conspiracy advocates insist there is evidence that a missile or a different type of plane smashed into the Pentagon. Big Plane, Small Holes CLAIM: Two holes were visible in the Pentagon immediately after the attack: a 75-ft.-wide entry hole in the building's exterior wall, and a 16-ft.-wide hole in Ring C, the Pentagon's middle ring. Conspiracy theorists claim both holes are far too small to have been made by a Boeing 757. "How does a plane 125 ft. wide and 155 ft. long fit into a hole which is only 16 ft. across?" asks reopen911.org, a Web site "dedicated to discovering the bottom line truth to what really occurred on September 11, 2001." The truth is of even less importance to French author Thierry Meyssan, whose baseless assertions are fodder for even mainstream European and Middle Eastern media. In his book The Big Lie, Meyssan concludes that the Pentagon was struck by a satellite-guided missile--part of an elaborate U.S. military coup. "This attack," he writes, "could only be committed by United States military personnel against other U.S. military personnel." FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings. Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen." The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide--not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage. Intact Windows CLAIM: Many Pentagon windows remained in one piece--even those just above the point of impact from the Boeing 757 passenger plane. Pentagonstrike.co.uk, an online animation widely circulated in the United States and Europe, claims that photographs showing "intact windows" directly above the crash site prove "a missile" or "a craft much smaller than a 757" struck the Pentagon. FACT: Some windows near the impact area did indeed survive the crash. But that's what the windows were supposed to do--they're blast-resistant. "A blast-resistant window must be designed to resist a force significantly higher than a hurricane that's hitting instantaneously," says Ken Hays, executive vice president of Masonry Arts, the Bessemer, Ala., company that designed, manufactured and installed the Pentagon windows. Some were knocked out of the walls by the crash and the outer ring's later collapse. "They were not designed to receive wracking seismic force," Hays notes. "They were designed to take in inward pressure from a blast event, which apparently they did: [Before the collapse] the blinds were still stacked neatly behind the window glass." Flight 77 Debris CLAIM: Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. "In reality, a Boeing 757 was never found," claims pentagonstrike.co.uk, which asks the question, "What hit the Pentagon on 9/11?" FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?" |
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I will post this and say that not everything is always as it seems. Not that this administration had anything at all to do with 9/11, because I don't know if they did or not, but don't close your mind to the fact that it CAN happen. Before you deny my post...please read the entire document. (Click on all the GIF files) http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html Alot of what you see there is going to look really familiar. And before any of you classes me as "anti american" or "conspiracy nut" ... They're fucking declassified U.S. government documents. Save your breath...your jedi mind tricks do not work on me. |
[QUOTE=NickPapageorgio]I'm not getting involved in this, as I don't believe either side to be quite honest.
I will post this and say that not everything is always as it seems. Not that this administration had anything at all to do with 9/11, because I don't know if they did or not, but don't close your mind to the fact that it CAN happen. Before you deny my post...please read the entire document. (Click on all the GIF files) http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html Alot of what you see there is going to look really familiar. And before any of you classes me as "anti american" or "conspiracy nut" ... They're fucking declassified U.S. government documents. Save your breath...your jedi mind tricks do not work on me.[/QUOTE very interesting |
the video CNN released looks as if it were an F-16 Plowing in
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Flight 77 Debris CLAIM: Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. "In reality, a Boeing 757 was never found," claims pentagonstrike.co.uk, which asks the question, "What hit the Pentagon on 9/11?" FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?" |
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PM consulted more than 300 experts and organizations in its investigation into 9/11 conspiracy theories. The following were particularly helpful. Air Crash Analysis Cleveland Center regional air traffic control Bill Crowley special agent, FBI Ron Dokell president, Demolition Consultants Richard Gazarik staff writer, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review Yates Gladwell pilot, VF Corp. Michael K. Hynes, Ed.D., ATP, CFI, A&P/IA president, Hynes Aviation Services; expert, aviation crashes Ed Jacoby Jr. director, New York State Emergency Management Office (Ret.); chairman, New York State Disaster Preparedness Commission (Ret.) Johnstown-Cambria County Airport Authority Cindi Lash staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Matthew McCormick manager, survival factors division, National Transportation Safety Board (Ret.) Wallace Miller coroner, Somerset County, PA Robert Nagan meteorological technician, Climate Services Branch, National Climatic Data Center Dave Newell director, aviation and travel, VF Corp. James O?Toole politics editor, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pennsylvania State Police Public Information Office Jeff Pillets senior writer, The Record, Hackensack, NJ Jeff Rienbold director, Flight 93 National Memorial, National Park Service Dennis Roddy staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Master Sgt. David Somdahl public affairs officer, 119th Wing, North Dakota Air National Guard Mark Stahl photographer; eyewitness, United Airlines Flight 93 crash scene Air Defense Lt. Col. Skip Aldous (Ret.) squadron commander, U.S. Air Force Tech. Sgt. Laura Bosco public affairs officer, Tyndall Air Force Base Boston Center regional air traffic control Laura Brown spokeswoman, Federal Aviation Administration Todd Curtis, Ph.D. founder, Airsafe.com; president, Airsafe.com Foundation Keith Halloway public affairs officer, National Transportation Safety Board Ted Lopatkiewicz director, public affairs, National Transportation Safety Board Maj. Douglas Martin public affairs officer, North American Aerospace Defense Command Lt. Herbert McConnell public affairs officer, Andrews AFB Michael Perini public affairs officer, North American Aerospace Defense Command John Pike director, GlobalSecurity.org Hank Price spokesman, Federal Aviation Administration Warren Robak RAND Corp. Bill Shumann spokesman, Federal Aviation Administration Louis Walsh public affairs officer, Eglin AFB Chris Yates aviation security editor, analyst, Jane?s Transport Aviation Fred E.C. Culick, Ph.D., S.B., S.M. professor of aeronautics, California Institute of Technology Robert Everdeen public affairs, Northrop Grumman Clint Oster professor of public and environmental affairs, Indiana University; aviation safety expert Capt. Bill Scott (Ret. USAF) Rocky Mountain bureau chief, Aviation Week Bill Uher News Media Office, NASA Langley Research Center Col. Ed Walby (Ret. USAF) director, business development, HALE Systems Enterprise, Unmanned Systems, Northrop Grumman Image Analysis William F. Baker member, FEMA Probe Team; partner, Skidmore, Owings, Merrill W. Gene Corley, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. senior vice president, CTL Group; director, FEMA Probe Team Bill Daly senior vice president, Control Risks Group Steve Douglass image analysis consultant, Aviation Week Thomas R. Edwards, Ph.D. founder, TREC; video forensics expert. Ronald Greeley, Ph.D. professor of geology, Arizona State University Rob Howard freelance photographer; WTC eyewitness Robert L. Parker, Ph.D. professor of geophysics, University of California, San Diego Structural Engineering / Building Collapse Farid Alfawakhiri, Ph.D. senior engineer, American Institute of Steel Construction David Biggs, P.E. structural engineer, Ryan-Biggs Associates; member, ASCE team for FEMA report Robert Clarke structural engineer, Controlled Demolitions Group Ltd. Glenn Corbett technical editor, Fire Engineering; member, NIST advisory committee Vincent Dunn deputy fire chief (Ret.), FDNY; author, The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety John Fisher, Ph.D. professor of civil engineering, Lehigh University; professor emeritus, Center for Advanced Technology; member, FEMA Probe Team Ken Hays executive vice president, Masonry Arts Christoph Hoffmann, Ph.D. professor of computer science, Purdue University; project director, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University Allyn E. Kilsheimer, P.E. CEO, KCE Structural Engineers PC; chief structural engineer, Phoenix project; expert in blast recovery, concrete structures, emergency response Won-Young Kim, Ph.D. seismologist, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Columbia University William Koplitz photo desk manager, FEMA John Labriola freelance photographer, WTC survivor Arthur Lerner-Lam, Ph.D. seismologist; director, Earth Institute, Center for Hazards and Risk Research, Columbia University James Quintiere, Ph.D. professor of engineering, University of Maryland member, NIST advisory committee Steve Riskus freelance photographer; eyewitness, Pentagon crash Van Romero, Ph.D. vice president, New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology Christine Shaffer spokesperson, Viracon Mete Sozen, Ph.D., S.E. Kettelhut Distinguished Professor of Structural Engineering, Purdue University; member, Pentagon Building Performance Report; project conception, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University Shyam Sunder, Sc.D. acting deputy director, lead investigator, Building and Fire Research Laboratory, National Institute of Standards and Technology Mary Tobin science writer, media relations, Earth Institute, Columbia University Forman Williams, Ph.D. professor of engineering, physics, combustion, University of California, San Diego; member, advisory committee, National Institute of Standards and Technology |
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I have yet to see any pictures of these. |
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Popular Mechanics were paid to do so by our Goverment, Fact is they would not even do interviews with College Professors and Engineers that support the conspiracy theories, this is documented on one the the 911 sites. |
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I assume you have a link to proof of the government paying for it? Cause I think you are completly full of shit. |
Popular Mechanics is just Like FOX News
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And you'e right.. I watched the video again and I decided that the black smoke from the huge explosion on impact was carpet and plastic.. Damn what was I thinkin???? I agree.. just too much bs.. :) |
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http://www.democracynow.org/article..../09/11/1345203 What a joke. |
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Only wackJob here is you buying into The Main Stream Media bullshit and you where it - smell it and are it just like other non believers. your day is coming soon - laugh all you want :321GFY |
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CLAIM: As each tower collapsed, clearly visible puffs of dust and debris were ejected from the sides of the buildings. An advertisement in The New York Times for the book Painful Questions: An Analysis Of The September 11th Attack made this claim: "The concrete clouds shooting out of the buildings are not possible from a mere collapse. They do occur from explosions." Numerous conspiracy theorists cite Van Romero, an explosives expert and vice president of the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, who was quoted on 9/11 by the Albuquerque Journal as saying "there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse." The article continues, "Romero said the collapse of the structures resembled those of controlled implosions used to demolish old structures." FACT: Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking," and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report. Like all office buildings, the WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air--along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse--was ejected with enormous energy. "When you have a significant portion of a floor collapsing, it's going to shoot air and concrete dust out the window," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder tells PM. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition, Sunder adds, "but it is the floor pancaking that leads to that perception." Demolition expert Romero regrets that his comments to the Albuquerque Journal became fodder for conspiracy theorists. "I was misquoted in saying that I thought it was explosives that brought down the building," he tells PM. "I only said that that's what it looked like." Romero, who agrees with the scientific conclusion that fire triggered the collapses, demanded a retraction from the Journal. It was printed Sept. 22, 2001. "I felt like my scientific reputation was on the line." But emperors-clothes.com saw something else: "The paymaster of Romero's research institute is the Pentagon. Directly or indirectly, pressure was brought to bear, forcing Romero to retract his original statement." Romero responds: "Conspiracy theorists came out saying that the government got to me. That is the farthest thing from the truth. This has been an albatross around my neck for three years." |
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THE DAY ITSELF - EVIDENCE OF COMPLICITY 1) AWOL Chain of Command a. It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers. b. Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying. 2) Air Defense Failures a. The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights. b. Timelines: The various responsible agencies - NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable. c. Was there an air defense standdown? 3) Pentagon Strike How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation's capital? How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command? 4) Wargames a. US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crashbombings, and a strike on the Pentagon. b. The multiple military wargames planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the wargames created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise." Did wargames serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, and/or the execution of an "inside job"? 5) Flight 93 Did the Shanksville crash occur at 10:06 (according to a seismic report) or 10:03 (according to the 9/11 Commission)? Does the Commission wish to hide what happened in the last three minutes of the flight, and if so, why? Was Flight 93 shot down, as indicated by the scattering of debris over a trail of several miles? THE DAY - POSSIBLE SMOKING GUNS 6) Did cell phones work at 30,000 feet in 2001? How many hijackings were attempted? How many flights were diverted? 7) Demolition Hypothesis What caused the collapse of a third skyscraper, WTC 7, which was not hit by a plane? Were the Twin Towers and WTC 7 brought down by explosives? (See "The Case for Demolitions," the websites wtc7.net and 911research.wtc7.net, and the influential article by physicist Steven Jones. See also items no. 16 and 24, below.) FOREKNOWLEDGE & THE ALLEGED HIJACKERS 8) What did officials know? How did they know it? a. Multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the "Big Wedding"), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators. b. Various individuals came into possession of specific advance knowledge, and some of them tried to warn the US prior to September 11th. c. Certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th. 9) Able Danger, Plus - Surveillance of Alleged Hijackers a. The men identified as the 9/11 ringleaders were under surveillance for years beforehand, on the suspicion they were terrorists, by a variety of US and allied authorities - including the CIA, the US military's "Able Danger" program, the German authorities, Israeli intelligence and others. b. Two of the alleged ringleaders who were known to be under surveillance by the CIA also lived with an FBI asset in San Diego, but this is supposed to be yet another a coincidence. 10) Obstruction of FBI Investigations prior to 9/11 A group of FBI officials in New York systematically suppressed field investigations of potential terrorists that might have uncovered the alleged hijackers - as the Moussaoui case once again showed. The stories of Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, the "Phoenix Memo," David Schippers, the 199i orders restricting investigations, the Bush administration's order to back off the Bin Ladin family, the reaction to the "Bojinka" plot, and John O'Neil do not, when considered in sum, indicate mere incompetence, but high-level corruption and protection of criminal networks, including the network of the alleged 9/11 conspirators. (Nearly all of these examples were omitted from or relegated to fleeting footnotes in The 9/11 Commission Report.) 11) Insider Trading a. Unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally - including but not limited to "put options" placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London. b. In addition, suspicious monetary transactions worth hundreds of millions were conducted through offices at the Twin Towers during the actual attacks. c. Initial reports on these trades were suppressed and forgotten, and only years later did the 9/11 Commission and SEC provide a partial, but untenable explanation for only a small number of transactions (covering only the airline put options through the Chicago Board of Exchange). 12) Who were the perpetrators? a. Much of the evidence establishing who did the crime is dubious and miraculous: bags full of incriminating material that happened to miss the flight or were left in a van; the "magic passport" of an alleged hijacker, found at Ground Zero; documents found at motels where the alleged perpetrators had stayed days and weeks before 9/11. b. The identities of the alleged hijackers remain unresolved, there are contradictions in official accounts of their actions and travels, and there is evidence several of them had "doubles," all of which is omitted from official investigations. c. What happened to initial claims by the government that 50 people involved in the attacks had been identified, including the 19 alleged hijackers, with 10 still at large (suggesting that 20 had been apprehended)? http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...,1825231.story |
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This shit thread still bouncing along with silly comments from stupid Sticky?:1orglaugh Hey.. cumon - the ass is a 30 something naive retard with nada education and living in a $250K home which only has $50K equity (according to him) and he's whoring for SI. He's not exactly the businessman of the year or some fucking scientific genius - he's a toll trying to justify his paycheck. He'd piss his frilly panties if reality hit home. This also reflects on Splitinfinity who permit trash to represent them in this crass manner. Would you have confidence in a host to let their floor sweeper be a smartass with potential customers??? Tho, hell - some folks will try anything for a buck, - depends how low you want to go in running a business and losing any professionalism. Excuse me while I watch more of the comedy channel - Fox :pimp |
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A brutal purge of the senior staff at Popular Mechanics preceded the publication of last month's scandalous propaganda piece about 9/11. Pulling the strings is the grand dame of Hearst Magazines and behind the scene is her obscure husband, a veteran propaganda expert and former special assistant to the director of the C.I.A. In the months leading up to the Chertoff (Cousin to Head of Homeland Security) article in PM, a brutal take-over occurred at the magazine. In September 2004, Joe Oldham, the magazine's former editor-in-chief was replaced by James B. Meigs, who came to PM with a "deputy," Jerry Beilinson, from National Geographic Adventure. In October, a new creative director replaced PM's 21-year veteran who was given ninety minutes to clear out of his office. A former senior editor at PM, who is forbidden from openly discussing the coup at PM, told AFP that the former creative director was abruptly told to leave and given severance pay of two weeks wages for every year spent at PM. "Three or four" people have been similarly dismissed every month since, he said. He said he was astounded that the coup at PM had not been reported in the mainstream media. PM has long been a supporter of the U.S. military. The magazine ran a full page ad in support of the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan in May 2003. Since the purge last September, however, PM readers have noticed that government propaganda has replaced scientific writing. A letter to the editor in the current issue says, "I think you guys are just another tool in the government's propaganda machine." Keep reading PM and see if it's changing... |
Believe what the fuck you want but you obviously did not loose anyone in 9/11, there is no conspiracy....the only conspiracy is in peoples individual minds.......fuck reality is : terrorism is a reality...wake up and smell the roses.......it is an uncurable cancer.....
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