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Scootermuze · 09-16-2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Quagmire

Someone needs to tackle the question of why the Firemen said what they did about additional explosions nowhere near the upper levels of the towers and the Janitor stating that there was an explosion in one of the sub-levels and how some dude(s) came UP all burnt.

Sure would be nice to have all the news footage from all the networks on 9/11

Sorry, but we've all learned a valuable lesson from those in this thread that prefer to rely on possiblities and probabilities, with a bit of philosophy thrown in, that those people don't count.. These witnesses didn't actually hear these things.. and those guys weren't burned..

They all got together and said, "Ok guys.. let's concoct this kewl story that we heard explosions & stuff & HEY! someone throw a match to those guys and make it look good for the press."

Not to mention that you're now among the ranks of the paranoid conspiracy nuts.. Welcome to the club!

squishypimp · 09-16-2006, 07:00 PM

stickyfingerz is a queer

Nismo · 09-16-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio

Seriously dude, on page 2 of this thread you were saying that the fires were hot enough to melt the steel.

On page 3 you said that the force of the floors coming down would crush the steel and cause it to come down with the rest of the building.

Now you agree with what I say and not only that, you elude to the fact that you may have held a 2x4 in your hand once.

I shook your slimey little hand and I can tell you, you may have never even DRIVEN past a construction site. I worked construction a long time, and you just ain't what it takes on a construction site. Perhaps Dad hooked you up with a part time summer gig sitting in the air conditioned jobsite trailer and running to starbucks for him...but that don't count.

You are condescending to people with an alternate view of your own. You change your "well researched and thought out" opinions to suit your needs. You are quite possibly the most annoying person I have ever had the displeasure to meet in person or on the web. Your like that kid in school who would poke and prod, then go crying to mommy when you bit off more than you could chew.

My post was NOT me agreeing with you or any of your theories. Don't get all happy and agreeable with me. It was me watching the video and making my own assumption based on what I know from 10 years in commercial concrete and working in, on and around all the materials used in the construction of those towers. It is what makes sense to me.

Take your government and your god and your condescending bullshit and shove it up your ass. Just because a person questions something, it does not make them an idiot. You need to learn that.

Try listening to both sides of an argument. You are like the government you so love. You are an ideologist. You have your mind made up before you are presented with facts. You judge people based on your own little minds opinion of what the world is and should be.

Don't ever say anything else to me. I will do you the same honor.

This is, without a doubt, the best post I have ever read on this forum.

Scootermuze · 09-16-2006, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by squishypimp

stickyfingerz is a queer

Do you have credible links to prove this or is it just another one of those paranoid conspiratal nutjob assumptions based on copius quantities of extraneous paraphrases?

Just curious

Scootermuze · 09-16-2006, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Nismo

This is, without a doubt, the best post I have ever read on this forum.

I must agree..

I kinda tried to say that throughout, but it didn't come out quite as well..

stickyfingerz · 09-16-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio

Seriously dude, on page 2 of this thread you were saying that the fires were hot enough to melt the steel.

On page 3 you said that the force of the floors coming down would crush the steel and cause it to come down with the rest of the building.

Now you agree with what I say and not only that, you elude to the fact that you may have held a 2x4 in your hand once.

I shook your slimey little hand and I can tell you, you may have never even DRIVEN past a construction site. I worked construction a long time, and you just ain't what it takes on a construction site. Perhaps Dad hooked you up with a part time summer gig sitting in the air conditioned jobsite trailer and running to starbucks for him...but that don't count.

You are condescending to people with an alternate view of your own. You change your "well researched and thought out" opinions to suit your needs. You are quite possibly the most annoying person I have ever had the displeasure to meet in person or on the web. Your like that kid in school who would poke and prod, then go crying to mommy when you bit off more than you could chew.

My post was NOT me agreeing with you or any of your theories. Don't get all happy and agreeable with me. It was me watching the video and making my own assumption based on what I know from 10 years in commercial concrete and working in, on and around all the materials used in the construction of those towers. It is what makes sense to me.

Take your government and your god and your condescending bullshit and shove it up your ass. Just because a person questions something, it does not make them an idiot. You need to learn that.

Try listening to both sides of an argument. You are like the government you so love. You are an ideologist. You have your mind made up before you are presented with facts. You judge people based on your own little minds opinion of what the world is and should be.

Don't ever say anything else to me. I will do you the same honor.

Dude I agreed with you. Wtf are you talking about? And btw Ive done manual labor all my life. I assure you I can work with anyone. Up till 3 months ago I did uprigging, and am still available if they call me. Do you know what uprigging is? Its hanging over a beam 120ft up in the air and pulling 80ft of 3/4" chain up with a rope 20 times a night. If you think you can hang and want to try doing it sometime come here to Nashville and Ill get you a training spot. Ive worked since I was 8 for my father doing heating and cooling on construction sites and in homes. Ive hauled cast iron furnaces up from basements they shouldnt fit in. I daily moved things that weighed way more than me. I worked in autobody for 4 years and had my own body shop for 2 of those years. Busting my ass sanding and banging metal back into shape. You think just because Im not a big guy I cant hang? Dude I guarantee you Im in better shape then you. I do 100 push ups and situps every night, and jog every other morning about 2 miles or so.

You are letting your political hatred get in the way of good judgement. I jumped in and defended you in the past and you let a politcal discussion taint things. Wake the fuck up man. Ive never backed down from anything in my life as far as work goes. You think you have the balls then visit me in Nashville and Ill let you walk the beam 120ft off the ground with no saftey rope till you get out to where you are working and tie off. I dont know who pissed in your fuckin coffee, but you better get over it.

stickyfingerz · 09-16-2006, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Ok this video might splain alot to you guys.

http://media.putfile.com/WTC-Collapse-Part-ONE

Now watch the slide show on this site.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/sunder.html

Im going to try and find the full program for the first link. This is the best explanation in straight speak Ive seen.

And for all the more recent questions on how it happened, watch the video, AND watch the slideshow. They explain it in detail. If you still dont believe it doesnt matter because nothing is ever going to change your mind period.

If anyone wants to make a discussion thread personal, well thats just plain silly. If you dont like what I say then disagree with me. Some of my best friends in life are my polar opposites when it comes to politics. They dont think any less of me because of it, nor do I of them. Its called being a grown up.

scotty2hotty1111 · 09-16-2006, 07:42 PM

interesting

pocketkangaroo · 09-16-2006, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Quagmire

Someone needs to tackle the question of why the Firemen said what they did about additional explosions nowhere near the upper levels of the towers and the Janitor stating that there was an explosion in one of the sub-levels and how some dude(s) came UP all burnt.

Sure would be nice to have all the news footage from all the networks on 9/11

I don't think anyone will ever be able to elaborate on every noise that was heard on 9/11. I'm sure it was sheer chaos in those buildings and the noises and sights were something we wouldn't wish on anyone.

For an explanation, I'd imagine that there were explosions. I'd imagine flying a 747 filled with jet feul into a building at 500 MPH would cause endless damage. I'd imagine you'd hear things breaking, electical things blowing up, and so on. As floors buckled, elevators broke, doors crushed, there would be tons of noise. Although no one knows for sure what they heard, logic would tell me that it probably wasn't a bunch of explosives that were planted before.

Webby · 09-16-2006, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

And for all the more recent questions on how it happened, watch the video, AND watch the slideshow. They explain it in detail. If you still dont believe it doesnt matter because nothing is ever going to change your mind period.

If anyone wants to make a discussion thread personal, well thats just plain silly. If you dont like what I say then disagree with me. Some of my best friends in life are my polar opposites when it comes to politics. They dont think any less of me because of it, nor do I of them. Its called being a grown up.

Why don't you find something worthwhile to do Sticky and avoid answering your own damned posts and responding to others with complete trivia coments - it's called being grown up.

stickyfingerz · 09-16-2006, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

Why don't you find something worthwhile to do Sticky and avoid answering your own damned posts and responding to others with complete trivia coments - it's called being grown up.

Ya know webby you just finally made ignore. buh bye.

And Im done with this thread for a bit. When things get out of hand with someone I thought was a good person its time to just stop. Ive got tons of work to do so Im off to it for a few hours at least.

Webby · 09-16-2006, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Ya know webby you just finally made ignore. buh bye.

And Im done with this thread for a bit. When things get out of hand with someone I thought was a good person its time to just stop. Ive got tons of work to do so Im off to it for a few hours at least.

Can assure you the best place for me is ignore on your list - does that mean you will not respond to posts in any thread? Must be my lucky day

See ya

pocketkangaroo · 09-16-2006, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Scootermuze

Why does it have to be about engineers and scientists concluding what it probably was?

Loizeaux, who cleaned up the bombed Federal Building in Oklahoma City, arrived on the WTC site two days later and wrote the clean-up plan for the entire operation.
He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC..
Hmm.. no jet fuel or aluminum there..

And on a different note..

While steel is often tested for evidence of explosions, despite numerous eyewitness reports of explosions in the towers, the engineers involved in the FEMA-sponsored building assessment did no such tests.

So much for thorough testing by good ol' Uncle Sam..

[Awaiting cocky comebacks and a drawn out philosophical reply... ]

I guess we just trust different sources. I trust experts who have loads of experience in science and engineering. You trust one or two guys who made a quote that gets blown out of proportion.

Most of the claims of molten steel are often seen as people who don't know the difference in incandescent steel and molten steel.

But to keep this going, which theory are you going with, the explosion one, or the molten steel one. You technically can't have one with the other as explosions don't cause molten steel.

Scootermuze · 09-16-2006, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I guess we just trust different sources. I trust experts who have loads of experience in science and engineering. You trust one or two guys who made a quote that gets blown out of proportion.

Most of the claims of molten steel are often seen as people who don't know the difference in incandescent steel and molten steel.

But to keep this going, which theory are you going with, the explosion one, or the molten steel one. You technically can't have one with the other as explosions don't cause molten steel.

First.. the subject of post-collapse molten steel is in no way related to any pre-collapse explosions, so it isn't a matter of which I choose to go with..

However, in that I have no irrefutable links as reference, I'll forego the molten steel issue.. It really has nothing to do with my concerns anyway..

As far as the engineers with loads of experience, there are a number of those who disagree with the others' findings.. And none of them have any experience in airliner/fire induced skyscraper collapses, so much of their bottom line can only be based on speculation and assumption, which is reflected in the FEMA report with the, "may have's", "could have's", "will require further study", etc.

So that leaves us with, as you say, who we choose to trust.. The comment of me choosing 1 or 2 guys was a bit light weighted.. and as I stated in a previous post, one of the videos referenced had two of these apparent experts who said bldg 1 lunged forward and fell, which by a simple viewing of the start of the collapse shows that not to be the case..

With regard to the explosions.. Not a matter of whether I choose to go with it.. it's matter of whether or not you choose to believe trained firemen, in different locations, saying they heard loud exposions.. with some saying it almost knocked them over. As for the cause of these explosions.. I've never inferred that they were from bombs or plants of any kind. I have no idea what would have caused them.

I've said it before and I'll say it again..
I'm not saying the govt did it.. I'm not saying there was any conspiracy.. I'm
not saying that I agree with any of the conspiracy guys out there..
I stand on my own with my position, which has nothing at all to do with who did what or why..
The only dog I have in the race is my thoughts that from all I am seeing on the videos.. and some photos, some of the things that have been reported as official just don't add up. .. Rather simple actually..

MediaGuy · 09-17-2006, 09:05 AM

Fuggit. Don't change the bottom line yet....

:D

NickPapageorgio · 09-17-2006, 09:54 AM

Someone you thought was a good person? Let me break it down for ya hoss.

I am still the same person I have always been. My choice to have no more dealings with you is due to the fact that 90% of your entire existence on this message board has been one of two things.

A. Either you posting, sucking someone else's dick. Example: "Yeah man, you're exactly right man...you're the best guy I ever ever met...can we cuddle?"

B. Or you trying to belittle someone else with your "superior" brain. Example: (Steve Urkel Voice) "You fucking idiot, don't you know that the weight of a human hair is exactly double when travelling at the speed of light from venus to alpha centauri. Fucking Duh?!? (pushes glasses up) That's all I would expect from your inferior brain anyway!! (Then a series of the little orange laughing smileys)"

You never just add to a conversation. You always have to post as some super braniac smart ass. Fuck that.

You remind me of like a 2 year old who jams his fingers in his ears and holds his breath when mommy says, "eat your peas".

"lalalalala....not listeninggggggggg to youuuuuuu....lalalalaa.....your a stupid dummy head...lalalalaala..."

I figured you had said something stupid in this thread related to what I said to you. That's fine. And that's why I am posting now. To clear up any misconceptions about why I don't like you. It's not because of this thread...it's because of you and people like you existing on this planet.

Been everywhere but the moon and seen everything but the breeze.

bushwacker · 09-17-2006, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio

Someone you thought was a good person? Let me break it down for ya hoss.

I am still the same person I have always been. My choice to have no more dealings with you is due to the fact that 90% of your entire existence on this message board has been one of two things.

A. Either you posting, sucking someone else's dick. Example: "Yeah man, you're exactly right man...you're the best guy I ever ever met...can we cuddle?"

B. Or you trying to belittle someone else with your "superior" brain. Example: (Steve Urkel Voice) "You fucking idiot, don't you know that the weight of a human hair is exactly double when travelling at the speed of light from venus to alpha centauri. Fucking Duh?!? (pushes glasses up) That's all I would expect from your inferior brain anyway!! (Then a series of the little orange laughing smileys)"

You never just add to a conversation. You always have to post as some super braniac smart ass. Fuck that.

You remind me of like a 2 year old who jams his fingers in his ears and holds his breath when mommy says, "eat your peas".

"lalalalala....not listeninggggggggg to youuuuuuu....lalalalaa.....your a stupid dummy head...lalalalaala..."

I figured you had said something stupid in this thread related to what I said to you. That's fine. And that's why I am posting now. To clear up any misconceptions about why I don't like you. It's not because of this thread...it's because of you and people like you existing on this planet.

Been everywhere but the moon and seen everything but the breeze.

amen to that!

NickPapageorgio · 09-17-2006, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Dude I agreed with you. Wtf are you talking about? And btw Ive done manual labor all my life. I assure you I can work with anyone. Up till 3 months ago I did uprigging, and am still available if they call me. Do you know what uprigging is? Its hanging over a beam 120ft up in the air and pulling 80ft of 3/4" chain up with a rope 20 times a night. If you think you can hang and want to try doing it sometime come here to Nashville and Ill get you a training spot. Ive worked since I was 8 for my father doing heating and cooling on construction sites and in homes. Ive hauled cast iron furnaces up from basements they shouldnt fit in. I daily moved things that weighed way more than me. I worked in autobody for 4 years and had my own body shop for 2 of those years. Busting my ass sanding and banging metal back into shape. You think just because Im not a big guy I cant hang? Dude I guarantee you Im in better shape then you. I do 100 push ups and situps every night, and jog every other morning about 2 miles or so.

You are letting your political hatred get in the way of good judgement. I jumped in and defended you in the past and you let a politcal discussion taint things. Wake the fuck up man. Ive never backed down from anything in my life as far as work goes. You think you have the balls then visit me in Nashville and Ill let you walk the beam 120ft off the ground with no saftey rope till you get out to where you are working and tie off. I dont know who pissed in your fuckin coffee, but you better get over it.

I've never seen you make this many typos in one post hero. How's it feel to be on the other end of the condescending remarks?

Ok, so let me get this straight, 3 months ago you were an up rigger (two words btw)...and now you're here. Congrats.

Not that it matters, but I was a concrete highrise form carpenter overseeing a crew that handled multi million dollar, high profile jobs. I know what's it's like hanging off the side of a column, no harness, dumping concrete on the 11th floor of a building with a 4 ton concrete bucket with a release handle that sticks hanging directly over my head with nothing between me and certain death other than a pile of plywood stripped from the under deck the day before. Thanks for the job offer there in Nashveeeel...but I did my time doing grunt work.

I'd like to see the MPEG of you lifting 80ft of 3/4 inch chain bro. Seriously, if you are 120ft in the air, and the chain is 80ft long, at some point you are lifting the full weight of the chain? Is that correct? Are you unclear about what 3/4 inch chain is? If that's the case, more power to you and congratulations. I personally have dealt with 20 and 40 foot chains and after seeing you in person, find it hard to believe, but sometimes looks can be deceiving right?

Anyway, the post wasn't really about how much chain either of us could lift. It was more inline with you acting like a know-it-all prick.

I "better get over it"...lmao...fuck you kid.

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NickPapageorgio Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NC Posts: 8,323	Someone you thought was a good person? Let me break it down for ya hoss. I am still the same person I have always been. My choice to have no more dealings with you is due to the fact that 90% of your entire existence on this message board has been one of two things. A. Either you posting, sucking someone else's dick. Example: "Yeah man, you're exactly right man...you're the best guy I ever ever met...can we cuddle?" B. Or you trying to belittle someone else with your "superior" brain. Example: (Steve Urkel Voice) "You fucking idiot, don't you know that the weight of a human hair is exactly double when travelling at the speed of light from venus to alpha centauri. Fucking Duh?!? (pushes glasses up) That's all I would expect from your inferior brain anyway!! (Then a series of the little orange laughing smileys)" You never just add to a conversation. You always have to post as some super braniac smart ass. Fuck that. You remind me of like a 2 year old who jams his fingers in his ears and holds his breath when mommy says, "eat your peas". "lalalalala....not listeninggggggggg to youuuuuuu....lalalalaa.....your a stupid dummy head...lalalalaala..." I figured you had said something stupid in this thread related to what I said to you. That's fine. And that's why I am posting now. To clear up any misconceptions about why I don't like you. It's not because of this thread...it's because of you and people like you existing on this planet. Been everywhere but the moon and seen everything but the breeze. __________________