Phoenix

you mean sort of like the 10,000 people who worked on the Manhattan project and never had a clue what they were doing?

also not hard to keep people in silence when they have a part in it.

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The media is full of shit. The government is full of shit. Liberals are full of shit. Neo-cons are full of shit. Trust noone. Believe nothing. Anyone can be bought for the right amount of money. They are all shady. They are all snakes. They ALL have a personal agenda. Stop believing in this fairy tale of a world that gives a fuck about your interests. It's all about the benjamins baby. If you don't believe that, you have more issues than we have time to deal with here.

Both sides of the fence have sheep. The only difference is the farmer that feeds you.

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I will also add...back in the early 1970's the Office of President was still highly respected.For the national media to go after a sitting president took huge balls.From that point the world changed.The secrets of Washington became far more difficult to contain.

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hershie

Air traffic controllers, demoltion experts, military pilots...are all ordinary people who have wives, parents, children and how amongst the thousands of people needed to pull off this whole plot none of them came forward is beyond belief. I mean you really really have to have a dark outlook of the world and fellow man to think people just fell into line and aided killing of thousands to protect the Bush admin.

Minte

I think if you do some reseach you will find that Russia had a working nuclear program within a few years after we detonated the bombs over Japan.Whether it was the Rosenbergs,(who were executed for treason)..that gave away/sold the plans is still questionable.But the fact remain,some of those 10,000 did not keep their mouth shut.And it only takes one person to sink an administration.

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Scootermuze

Clinton was impeached because he lied to the court and violated his oath of office... and Kenneth Starr already had him and Hillary in his sites for several years for other things..
To say it was the investigative powers of the media that caused his impeachment is a bit speculative..

Some gal illegally recorded her conversation with Lewinksy and turned the tape over to the powers that be for whatever reason.. and it was allowed as evidence.. Imagine that.. Then Starr and Bill's Congressional enemies had a hayday.. All the media did was keep us informed..

If the media was that powerful, O.J. would be behind bars..

I'm sure you remember the anthrax scare.. Some of the news media were raising questions about how things happened, then bam! we have anthrax. Now all of the news media turned their focus to that and away from the attacks, then it just went away, but the focus never fully returned to the attacks, and the questions. Some say it was an intentional diversion, which would make sense under theoretical circumstances.

As far as Bush.. Not necessarily with 9/11, but I've seen a few videos online that show that he lied about Katrina, His Buddy, Brownie lied about Katrina, but I've not seen the media show these clips.. A strong media could use them and make for trouble, but it hasn't happened..

Phoenix

no im not saying anyone did that...just pointing out that it is possible to keep people in the dark about what they really do.

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Again,you actually made my point...Linda Tripp did record the calls and passed that info to the media.Starr was appointed later.Clinton's impeachment started with the action of one person.

OJ..was insignificant.His trial had no political impact on the world as we know it.

Anthrax,I don't see anything relevant to this conversation.

Katrina,Brownie lost his job in disgrace.President Bush has spent nearly a year apologizing to the people about how poorly his administration reacted to that natural disastor.And they appear to be working to make things a bit better within FEMA than they were.We won't know how successful this is until we face the next disastor.

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hershie

The Bush admin. started producing propoganda in the form of "news" stories done with actors spinning the "truth" they wanted to spoon feed to the public and fed the stories to the media and these "news" stories were aired on TV stations all over the US. That is disgusting and chilling and reminds me of the salad days of the Soviet Union of Baghdad Bob. The Bush admin I am sure is capable of lots of smoke and mirrors routines, but still, no way could 911 remain a "black ops" kept hidden when thousands of ordinary people with a conscious and no agenda were involved.

Phoenix

to play devils advocate here...doyou think it needed to be that many people in the know?

im thinking more like some special ops forces...some ex special ops...ex cia ex kgb...tops maybe 100 people in the actual know...many of them have sworn upon death to be loyal...many of them probably have their families being threatened if they ever come forward

i dont think that many people had to know anything....you get some backward radical muslims to fly the planes they think they are serving allah or whoever....you have your crack team of bomb placers...who were in control of the WTC before it fell and they removed all bomb sniffing dogs..they plant the bombs and then they go about stealing the gold

sounds a bit like DIe hard 3

oh look a big explosion....everyone look this way...hey where did the gold and our freedom go?

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hershie

I guess I just don't buy into the dark hand of the government pulling stuff like that off.

Phoenix

welll that is if they wanted it all secret..but they openly admit the planes flew into the WTC...eveyone knows that...so you dont really need the air traffic controllers on pay...in fact many of them did mention someth ing was up didnt they?

the only one on pay was the general or who ever gave the order not to scramble jets...everyone else most likely thought it was a test excercise


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Minte

We did unearth one VERY important fact in this part of the conversation.
It is possible to have an online discussion without throwing insults and swear words.
Nicely done, fellows.

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Scootermuze

Speaking for myself.. I've not once said that I thought that the gov't did it..
I've not once said that it was a missile that hit the Pentagon..
I've not once said that bombs were in the wtc towers..
I've not once presented any theories as to what happened..
I've not once said that I agree with any of the theories floating around..

But that doesn't mean I don't have questions about things that make little or no sense.

There are de-classified documents that prove that the gov't was informed and warned of the attacks, yet they happened.
There are respectable, credible experts in various fields that question the government's official report.
We have the FEMA report that speculates that wtc 7 fell due to fire, when you have a video of Silverstein saying that they decided to pull the building...
which raises the question of how they were able to place charges in #7 for a controlled demo in a few hours.

Just to list a few..

If part of an, "official report" can be debunked, then the entire report should be scrutinized.

John69

when thre is over 3 trillion dollars at stake what is a few hundred million.

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stickyfingerz

Seems we've went off track.

Minte

Almost like being back in college...an interesting subject rarely ended where it began.

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Phoenix

well youjust need the proper people involved...im backing out of this thread now before the meanies show up...nice chatting with you and hershie

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Tis true.. Me being the ignorant, arrogant, retarded, ugly ol' hairy legged guy that I am, I enjoy having discussions with some of these brain dead, uneducated, basement dwelling, dork brain, crackhead sumbitches when they're done with a mature level of respect..

Scootermuze

I don't think that point is being argued..

But if you apply a bit of physics, that you say is being ignored, the building should start to give way at the weakest point, which was the side to the left where the wing cut through (it shows that on the other video you refered to); causing at least a slight topple, but it all started down at the same time..

stickyfingerz

Why is that? So what are you saying happened that made it come straight down if it wasnt natural?

Dollarmansteve

CLASSIC conspiracy paranoia.

It is impossible to present any facts to the insane conpiracy theorist. Anyone who presents scientific facts will just be laballed a co-conspirator.

There is NO way to convince a paranoid sociopath that the conspiracy is not true - it is like trying to tell a religious zealot there is no god - the belief is more faith than anything else.

The sheer arrogance of the conspiracy believer prevents them from being objective - and they weave a paradoxical web of logic that traps them in their belief. It is more a sad mental state than anything else. Im done with this whole topic on this board - people who believe these conspiracy theories should be worried more about their mental health than anything else - it is a slippery slope into paranoia / depression / dementia.

The saddest part of it all is that all these talk about conspiracy deflects the microscope away from the glaring failure of the US government on that day. Also, by pigging backing on partisan politics, it marginalizes the people who are against the Bush Administration for valid reasons.

The irony is that, while the conspiracy theorist thinks they are 'finding the truth' they are simply discrediting and maginalizing the political groups that could replace Bush and the Republicans.

I can assure you that Democrat members/senators/presedential hopefuls do NOT want the endorsement of a noisy group of crazy people. In fact, it is more rational to believe that the powers-that-be benefit MORE from the conspiracy theories because it prevents real investigation into their very real failires that day and makes the oppostion seem like a non-option come voting time.

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A few spelling errors aside,that was a very good post.
And in all probabilty...the people who should read this will simply ignore it.

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who blew up the twin towers? Google never lies.

"Initially the explosives theory suffered from the problem that the mainstream media did not report that anyone heard explosions just prior to the WTC collapse. But in the last year reports have surfaced, and there is now even video evidence available to anyone which shows that explosions actually did occur within the Twin Towers prior to their collapse"

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With statements like that it always comes down to credibility.
Who do you believe... serendipity.com or washingtonpost.com(scroll down the google page a bit farther)



Fireproofing Blown Off Twin Towers
Report Details 9/11 Collapse in N.Y.

By Michelle Garcia
Special to The Washington Post
Wednesday, April 6, 2005; Page A03

NEW YORK, April 5 -- The hijacked airplanes that struck the World Trade Center hit with such force that the resulting explosions blew the fireproofing off the steel columns, accelerating heat buildup and weakening the structural core -- contributing to the towers' eventual collapse, according to a report issued Tuesday.

The process was hastened by fires outside that consumed the buildings' face and caused the exterior columns to bow in, according to the report.

Still, the study by the National Institute of Standards and Technology concluded that no amount of fireproofing could have saved the buildings.

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BINGO!!!

John69

The Top results are what counts, not down farther.

Jet Fuel did not bring the 2 twins and w trade 7 down that for sure.

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You know you appear quite looney to anyone with a rational mind right?

John69

you remind me of this guy that is closed minded from the world.

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Boy you got me there lol.

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unemotional and right to the money

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THE 9/11 COVER-UP, 2001-2006

13) Who Is Osama Bin Ladin?
a. Who judges which of the many conflicting and dubious statements and videos attributed to Osama Bin Ladin are genuine, and which are fake? The most important Osama Bin Ladin video (Nov. 2001), in which he supposedly confesses to masterminding 9/11, appears to be a fake. In any event, the State Department's translation of it is fraudulent.
b. Did Osama Bin Ladin visit Dubai and meet a CIA agent in July 2001 (Le Figaro)? Was he receiving dyalisis in a Pakistani military hospital on the night of September 10, 2001 (CBS)?
c. Whether by Bush or Clinton: Why is Osama always allowed to escape?
d. The terror network associated with Osama, known as the "data base" (al-Qaeda), originated in the CIA-sponsored 1980s anti-Soviet jihad in Afghanistan. When did this network stop serving as an asset to covert operations by US intelligence and allied agencies? What were its operatives doing in Kosovo, Bosnia and Chechnya in the years prior to 9/11?

14) All the Signs of a Systematic 9/11 Cover-up
a. Airplane black boxes were found at Ground Zero, according to two first responders and an unnamed NTSB official, but they were "disappeared" and their existence is denied in The 9/11 Commission Report.
b. US officials consistently suppressed and destroyed evidence (like the tapes recorded by air traffic controllers who handled the New York flights).
c. Whistleblowers (like Sibel Edmonds and Anthony Shaffer) were intimidated, gagged and sanctioned, sending a clear signal to others who might be thinking about speaking out.
d. Officials who "failed" (like Myers and Eberhard, as well as Frasca, Maltbie and Bowman of the FBI) were given promotions.

15) Poisoning New York
The White House deliberately pressured the EPA into giving false public assurances that the toxic air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe. This knowingly contributed to an as-yet unknown number of health cases and fatalities, and demonstrates that the administration does consider the lives of American citizens to be expendable on behalf of certain interests.

16) Disposing of the Crime Scene
The rapid and illegal scrapping of the WTC ruins at Ground Zero disposed of almost all of the structural steel indispensable to any investigation of the collapse mechanics. (See also item no. 23, below.)

17) Anthrax
Mailings of weapons-grade anthrax - which caused a practical suspension of the 9/11 investigations - were traced back to US military stock. Soon after the attacks began in October 2001, the FBI approved the destruction of the original samples of the Ames strain, disposing of perhaps the most important evidence in identifying the source of the pathogens used in the mailings. Were the anthrax attacks timed to coincide with the Afghanistan invasion? Why were the letters sent only to media figures and to the leaders of the opposition in the Senate (who had just raised objections to the USA PATRIOT Act)?

18) The Stonewall
a. Colin Powell promised a "white paper" from the State Department to establish the authorship of the attacks by al-Qaeda. This was never forthcoming, and was instead replaced by a paper from Tony Blair, which presented only circumstantial evidence, with very few points actually relating to September 11th.
b. Bush and Cheney pressured the (freshly-anthraxed) leadership of the Congressional opposition into delaying the 9/11 investigation for months. The administration fought against the creation of an independent investigation for more than a year.
c. The White House thereupon attempted to appoint Henry Kissinger as the chief investigator, and acted to underfund and obstruct the 9/11 Commission.

19) A Record of Official Lies
a. "No one could have imagined planes into buildings" - a transparent falsehood upheld repeatedly by Rice, Rumsfeld and Bush.
b. "Iraq was connected to 9/11" - The most "outrageous conspiracy theory" of all, with the most disastrous impact.

20) Pakistani Connection - Congressional Connection
a. The Pakistani intelligence agency ISI, creator of the Taliban and close ally to both the CIA and "al-Qaeda," allegedly wired $100,000 to Mohamed Atta just prior to September 11th, reportedly through the ISI asset Omar Saeed Sheikh (later arrested for the killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, who was investigating ISI connections to "al-Qaeda.")
b. This was ignored by the congressional 9/11 investigation, although the senator and congressman who ran the probe (Bob Graham and Porter Goss) were meeting with the ISI chief, Mahmud Ahmed, on Capitol Hill on the morning of September 11th.
c. About 25 percent of the report of the Congressional Joint Inquiry was redacted, including long passages regarding how the attack (or the network allegedly behind it) was financed. Graham later said foreign allies were involved in financing the alleged terror network, but that this would only come out in 30 years.

21) Unanswered Questions and the "Final Fraud" of the 9/11 Commission:
a. The September 11th families who fought for and gained an independent investigation (the 9/11 Commission) posed 400-plus questions, which the 9/11 Commission adopted as its roadmap. The vast majority of these questions were completely ignored in the Commission hearings and the final report.
b. The membership and staff of the 9/11 Commission displayed awesome conflicts of interest. The families called for the resignation of Executive Director Philip Zelikow, a Bush administration member and close associate of "star witness" Condoleezza Rice, and were snubbed. Commission member Max Cleland resigned, condemning the entire exercise as a "scam" and "whitewash."
c.The 9/11 Commission Report is notable mainly for its obvious omissions, distortions and outright falsehoods - ignoring anything incompatible with the official story, banishing the issues to footnotes, and even dismissing the still-unresolved question of who financed 9/11 as being "of little practical significance."

22) Crown Witnesses Held at Undisclosed Locations
The alleged masterminds of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohamed (KSM) and Ramzi Binalshibh, are reported to have been captured in 2002 and 2003, although one Pakistani newspaper said KSM was killed in an attempted capture. They have been held at undisclosed locations and their supposed testimonies, as provided in transcript form by the government, form much of the basis for The 9/11 Commission Report (although the Commission's request to see them in person was denied). After holding them for years, why doesn't the government produce these men and put them to trial?

23) Spitzer Redux
a. Eliot Spitzer, attorney general of New York State, snubbed pleas by New York citizens to open 9/11 as a criminal case (Justicefor911.org).
b. Spitzer also refused to allow his employee, former 9/11 Commission staff member Dietrich Snell, to testify to the Congress about his (Snell's) role in keeping "Able Danger" entirely out of The 9/11 Commission Report.

24) NIST Omissions
After the destruction of the WTC structural steel, the official Twin Towers collapse investigation was left with almost no forensic evidence, and thus could only provide dubious computer models of ultimately unprovable hypotheses. It failed to even test for the possibility of explosives. (Why not clear this up?)

25) Radio Silence
The 9/11 Commission and NIST both allowed the continuing cover-up of how Motorola's faulty radios, purchased by the Giuliani administration, caused firefighter deaths at the WTC - once again showing the expendability, even of the first responders.

26) The Legal Catch-22
a. Hush Money - Accepting victims' compensation barred September 11th families from pursuing discovery through litigation.
b. Judge Hallerstein - Those who refused compensation to pursue litigation and discovery had their cases consolidated under the same judge (and as a rule dismissed).

27) Saudi Connections
a. The 9/11 investigations made light of the "Bin Ladin Airlift" during the no-fly period, and ignored the long-standing Bush family business ties to the Bin Ladin family fortune. (A company in which both families held interests, the Carlyle Group, was holding its annual meeting on September 11th, with George Bush Sr., James Baker, and two brothers of Osama Bin Ladin in attendance.)
b. The issue of Ptech.

28) Media Blackout of Prominent Doubters
The official story has been questioned and many of the above points were raised by members of the US Congress, retired high-ranking officers of the US military, the three leading third-party candidates for President in the 2004 election, a member of the 9/11 Commission who resigned in protest, a former high-ranking adviser to the George W. Bush administration, former ministers to the German, British and Canadian governments, the commander-in-chief of the Russian air force, 100 luminaries who signed the "9/11 Truth Statement," and the presidents of Iran and Venezuela. Not all of these people agree fully with each other, but all would normally be considered newsworthy. Why has the corporate-owned US mass media remained silent about these statements, granting due coverage only to the comments of actor Charlie Sheen?


GEOPOLITICS, TIMING AND POSSIBLE MOTIVES

29) "The Great Game"
The Afghanistan invasion was ready for Bush's go-ahead on September 9, 2001, with US and UK force deployments to the region already in place or underway. This followed the failure earlier that year of backdoor diplomacy with the Taliban (including payments of $125 million in US government aid to Afghanistan), in an attempt to secure a unity government for that country as a prerequisite to a Central Asian pipeline deal.

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30) The Need for a "New Pearl Harbor"
Principals in US foreign policy under the current Bush administration (including Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle and others) have been instrumental in developing long-running plans for worldwide military hegemony, including an invasion of the Middle East, dating back to the Ford, Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations. They reiterated these plans in the late 1990s as members of the "Project for a New American Century," and stated a clear intent to invade Iraq for the purpose of "regime change." After 9/11, they lost no time in their attempt to tie Iraq to the attacks.

31) Perpetual "War on Terror"
9/11 is supposed to provide carte-blanche for an open-ended, global and perpetual "War on Terror," against any enemy, foreign or domestic, that the executive branch chooses to designate, and regardless of whether evidence exists to actually connect these enemies to 9/11.

32) Attacking the Constitution
a. The USA PATRIOT Act was written before 9/11, Homeland Security and the "Shadow Government" were developed long before 9/11, and plans for rounding up dissidents as a means for suppressing civil disturbance have been in the works for decades.
b. 9/11 was used as the pretext to create a new, extra-constitutional executive authority to declare anyone an "enemy combatant" (including American citizens), to detain persons indefinitely without habeas corpus, and to "render" such persons to secret prisons where torture is practiced.

33) Legal Trillions
9/11 triggers a predictable shift of public spending to war, and boosts public and private spending in the "new" New Economy of "Homeland Security," biometrics, universal surveillance, prisons, civil defense, secured enclaves, security, etc.

34) Plundered Trillions?
On September 10, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld announced a "war on waste" after an internal audit found that the Pentagon was "missing" 2.3 trillion dollars in unaccounted assets. On September 11th, this was as good as forgotten.

35) Did 9/11 prevent a stock market crash?
Did anyone benefit from the destruction of the Securities and Exchange Commission offices at WTC 7, and the resultant crippling of hundreds of fraud investigations?

36) Resource Wars
a. What was discussed in the Energy Task Force meetings under Dick Cheney in 2001? Why is the documentation of these meetings still being suppressed?
b. Is Peak Oil a motive for 9/11 as inside job?

37) The "Little Game"
Why was the WTC privatized just before its destruction?


HISTORY

38) "Al-CIA-da?"
The longstanding relationship between US intelligence networks and radical Islamists, including the network surrounding Osama Bin Ladin. (See also point 13d.)

39) Historical Precedents for "Synthetic Terror"
a. In the past many states, including the US government, have sponsored attacks on their own people, fabricated the "cause for war," created (and armed) their own enemies of convenience, and sacrificed their own citizens for "reasons of state."
b. Was 9/11 an update of the Pentagon-approved "Project Northwoods" plan for conducting self-inflicted, false-flag terror attacks in the United States, and blaming them on a foreign enemy?

40) Secret Government
a. The record of criminality and sponsorship of coups around the world by the covert networks based within the US intelligence complex.
b. Specifically also: The evidence of crime by Bush administration principals and their associates, from October Surprise to Iran-Contra and the S&L plunder to PNAC, Enron/Halliburton and beyond.

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It would be interesting if the board moderators could elimate the ability to cut & paste.It would actually force people to use their own minds to formulate their own opinions.This generation has gotten lazy.

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when you write blogs all day copy and paste works fine for me as long as i agree with it, some of us work here and not just post on boards as surfers do.

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Not that long ago copy and paste was considered plagiarism.The larger percentage of comments in this thread had nothing to do with the posters thoughts and opinions.

And I worked today! I picked out all the new carbon fiber pieces for my Lamborghini.

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Scootermuze

That single statement, whoever wrote it, is a mere cheap shot..

If undisputable facts were presented, there'd be no theories of conspiracy..
You use the word, 'labelled' in a probable manner, yet you try to, 'label' all theorists as insane..

Yep.. there are some nut cases out there, but there are also some highly educated, and in some cases, highly prominent figures who don't go along with the official report.. And I really hope that report is not what you're referring to when you suggest, "scientific fact".

Reading through it you find statements like, "The failure most likely occured..., "An increased edge distance might have prevented... "The remaining fuel is believed to have...., "NIST?s working hypothesis for the collapse of WTC 7...." and numerous, "Will require further study" type entries..

True.. there are some scientific facts, but they are shown to exist on both sides of the fence...

Scootermuze

I know you're tryin' hard to get your point across, but I kinda doubt that people are gonna read all of that..

Ya gotta pick & choose.. Stick & move..

Then just enjoy the rare ocassion of having a discussion with a little heat but no childish keyboard warrior bull, as was mentioned earlier.

I find it quite invigorating..

nico-t

^^^^ i want sticky to see this one more time as it is the truth and nothing but the truth. If you don't believe it's all for the money, keep being naive and pick someone, no matter what side, to follow along.
But keep in mind that the sides you follow make every move with their own pockets in mind, and don't give a fuck about you, the sheep.

pocketkangaroo

You guys aren't still using the whole "they did this to get the gold" thing, are you?

Dollarmansteve

I wrote it. It's 100% me. It's not a cheap shot - it's the truth.

Conspiracy theory is a paradox by nature and the only people who dont accept the paradox are those who believe in the dogma of the theory. Believing something, when faced with indisputable fact (ie fact/statement/hypothesis > confidence interval type probability of liklihood) to the contrary, is insantity.

4 planes were hijacked. 3 hit their targets, 1 crashed in a field.

If you cannot accept this - even having watched it on TV - and with all the hundreds (thousands?) of people directly involved who can validate this reality - if you cannot accept this, then I say there is a more complex psychological issue at hand. The sheer lack of objectivity and the relentless pursuit of 'the truth' (which is supported by fallacy) is a symptom of some kind of psychological problem.

Im sorry if there are people who are offended by that or who take it personally - but it applies everywhere else and it should apply here.

This is all me writing everything - no copy and paste, no google - just my educated mind.

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Someone has the evidence to blow this wide open, there just to scared to do so, imaging seeing the real tape's of the pentagon! that would do it for me.

It's going to take some good PROOF to shut down the brain washed.

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stickyfingerz

Maybe if you google 911 wacko proof.....

Scootermuze

That's pretty much my whole point.. Just some things about this whole 9/11 thing that don't make sense..

I could say it coulda been this, or coulda been that, but looking at it and watching it all fall at the same slit second... with no hesitation or resistance from any point.. just has no logic to it.. And I don't see any explosions that would have caused it to fall in that manner either.. Just one for the books I guess..

stickyfingerz

So you think the beams below would somehow have the power to stop that huge mass of building already coming down? Weight plus inertia. " I dont think so scooter " (using a Ron White voice)

Ever seen a treeline stop an avalance? lol

Scootermuze

Well damn! If those were the scientific facts you were talkin about, you coulda just said so in the last post and saved alot of those fancy phrases..

Other than that it kinda sounded like, "If you don't believe everything the government's telling you, then your an insane conspiracy theorist."

Reminds me of the loose phrase, "The direction of the stairs is determined by the end you're standin' on."
Experts on both ends of the stick say they can prove they're right, regardless what the other end says.. And neither is satisfied with the proof produced by the other.

The one major problem I see with it all is the broad or misuse of the term, "conspiracy theorist" ..
If I say that I don't believe the government's version of how the buildings fell, many would label me as one. To question the government... or even doubt it, doesn't scream conspiracy. Uncle Sam, or anyone else can be doubted, or even be dead wrong and not be conspiring to do or not do something.

But... as with this, or any other related thread, we all feel the way we feel for our own reasons. That's what makes the world go 'round..

Scootermuze

You could be 100%, pat on the back, "See there, I told ya so", dead on the money right.. but until, or if that should happen, some things will just remain speculative.. and in these threads, all you can do is bump heads, compare notes, agree, disagree, and not think you're gonna change anyone's mind..

You seem to be on a mission and I think you're gettin yourself all flustered in your attempts to convince.

The best left option is to agree to disagree..

Scootermuze

You'd have to say lots & lots of treelines if comparing them to the beams.. and I think the first few treelines would hinder an avalance to some degree til it built up momentum.

And I'm not saying that the beams would just stop the fall, but somewhere there should have been some resistance for some short amount of time..
At least some, or even just one, of the center supports should have stood through it, even if it was just for a few more seconds..
But all structures, verticals and laterals alike, gave at the same time..

I know the buildings were big, but there's also proportion.. especially at the onset of the fall.. Those are some big ass beams and definitley some big center supports..

And I like Ron too..

stickyfingerz

Saying the beams would even slow things down goes to show your total misunderstanding of the forces involved. This explains why alot of people out there think the way they do.

BUSH_MUST_DIE

the towers fell, because two airplanes crashed on them... plain and simple.