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Old 08-07-2006, 09:12 PM   #101
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did i say that? you are not less hateful, one sided and narrow minded than any other islamic fundamentalist. for you, everything is black and white... and even worse, you sacrifice reason to simply take the opposite stance of anything remotely american no matter what the issue is. if the US decided to stop the genocide in Sudan or feed Somalians, you would be picking it apart as propaganda for the sheeple. the sad truth is that you don't care about anyone... your arguments are rooted in hatred.
Quoted about directlyretardedfiesta..... so true, so true.
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Old 08-07-2006, 09:18 PM   #102
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Ignorant simple minded..... blah.... you are starting to bore me.
I'm not sure why you're calling other people simple minded. I re-read this thread, and I've not seen you express one well formed opinion about any of the issues at hand.

In fact, it seems that you really don't understand the region, the players involved, or the historical significance of events that are currently unfolding.

Honestly, you've not "expressed" or "discussed" anything.

All I see in your posts is a bunch of childish name calling towards those that have articulated their opinions and have backed those opinions up with explanatory dialogue.

Anyone can lash out or call names without needing to understand the topic.

How old are you exactly anyway?
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Old 08-07-2006, 09:22 PM   #103
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I'm not sure why you're calling other people simple minded. I re-read this thread, and I've not seen you express one well formed opinion about any of the issues at hand.

In fact, it seems that you really don't understand the region, the players involved, or the historical significance of events that are currently unfolding.

Honestly, you've not "expressed" or "discussed" anything.

All I see in your posts is a bunch of childish name calling towards those that have articulated their opinions and have backed those opinions up with explanatory dialogue.

Anyone can lash out or call names without needing to understand the topic.

How old are you exactly anyway?
Don't get pissed because I called you out after you spewed out your anti-american/bush bs. Seriously. You lost a simple battle on a message board. Deal with it.
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Old 08-07-2006, 09:24 PM   #104
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How old are you exactly anyway?
And in case you are wondering, don't think for a minute that post count means anything, or I don't have a few years on you. I've been around here longer than most. Just because I decided to reg a name and post, doesn't make me someone "new".
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Old 08-07-2006, 09:25 PM   #105
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Don't get pissed because I called you out after you spewed out your anti-american/bush bs. Seriously. You lost a simple battle on a message board. Deal with it.
So your response is: I "lost a battle on a message board".

K. I'm done baby sitting for tonight.
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Old 08-07-2006, 09:27 PM   #106
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And in case you are wondering, don't think for a minute that post count means anything, or I don't have a few years on you. I've been around here longer than most. Just because I decided to reg a name and post, doesn't make me someone "new".
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BTW, do you know the difference between :

A DICTATOR

A TERRORIST


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Old 08-07-2006, 09:27 PM   #107
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So your response is: I "lost a battle on a message board".

K. I'm done baby sitting for tonight.
Funny how you just used "name-calling", or threw out a little insult there....

I'm not so petty that I try to nail you for it. Call me whatever you want. I didn't call you anything that wasn't true, did I?

Hmmmm.....
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another America Hater ... he is shaking Saddam the terrorist hand ...

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Old 08-07-2006, 09:30 PM   #109
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I'd shoot for a banning of me too if I were you.... its the only way my sig isn't flying as is for a while.
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Old 08-07-2006, 09:30 PM   #110
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another America Hater ... he is shaking Saddam the terrorist hand ...

1983 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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another America Hater ... he is shaking Saddam the terrorist hand ...


While you're at it, post some pics of OJ Simpson hanging out with the president at the USC Alumni events .....

Whatever makes you feel good about yourself
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another America Hater ... he is shaking Saddam the terrorist hand ...

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did i say that? you are not less hateful, one sided and narrow minded than any other islamic fundamentalist. for you, everything is black and white... and even worse, you sacrifice reason to simply take the opposite stance of anything remotely american no matter what the issue is. if the US decided to stop the genocide in Sudan or feed Somalians, you would be picking it apart as propaganda for the sheeple. the sad truth is that you don't care about anyone... your arguments are rooted in hatred.


He said it right the first time.
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Old 08-07-2006, 09:40 PM   #113
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I know, I wish peace ... that is quite Anti-American ....

I wish to be so unbiased as you one day ... and see that America is always right


But still, would it have been less of a crime if he had killed foreigners, a bit like you guys do ??? Because the " own people " thing seems to have made quite an impression ...

That White House writer ( same guy as Axis of Evil ?) must have gotten a raise ...

But, it would be nice to backup your stuff you call facts ... I did.
thanks for proving my point with your fanatic consistency.

i dont support the US and everything it does. if you weren't so shortsighted, you would see that 1/2 or more of the population doesn't. welcome to your first glimpse into a world thats actually 3 dimensional of often complex. i understand that your world doesn't allow for complex answers... so i won't give you a head splitting migrain and make blood shoot out your ears, by pointing out similar (what most would consider to be obvious) facts.

i dont care if the US gets nuked off the face of the earth tomorrow.

i dont think the US is the sole beacon of light, truth, honor, justice and freedom in the world. your babbling in my opinion is more a reflection of your own insecurity. every country has good and bad, right and wrong. 2 sides of the arguments etc etc etc etc. your shallow and bitter world only allows for one answer and that answer is a one size fits all answer. you are just that detached from reality.

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Old 08-07-2006, 09:42 PM   #114
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1. An absolute ruler.
2. A tyrant; a despot.

Terrorist:

One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.

radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities


Really fed up educating the trailer trash here ....
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thanks for proving my point with your fanatic consistency.

sarcasm is not your forte .....
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Really fed up educating the trailer trash here ....
really???

you can stop anytime you know. you havent changed single mind or opinion or "enlightened" anyone with your obvious truths... so why continue, if you are not just doing it for yourself and for your own selfish reasons?

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Terrorist:

One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.

radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities


Really fed up educating the trailer trash here ....
name 10 things you love about the USA
and 10 things Bush has done that is good.
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Terrorist:

One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.

radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities


Really fed up educating the trailer trash here ....

btw... you said saddam was not a terrorist.. but he seems to fit your definition of terrorist.

well... unless of course you are going to continue with your bizarre and twisted logic and characterize midnight kidnappings and executions, rape rooms, torture, gassing men/women/children, secret police networks grabbing people left and right to never be seen again, gunning down crowds of people as just "good old fashioned wholesome fun for the whole family".
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btw... you said saddam was not a terrorist.. but he seems to fit your definition of terrorist.

well... unless of course you are going to continue with your bizarre and twisted logic and characterize midnight kidnappings and executions, rape rooms, torture, gassing men/women/children, secret police networks grabbing people left and right to never be seen again, gunning down crowds of people as just "good old fashioned wholesome fun for the whole family".
You are wasting your time, he wont get it, and you should see that already.
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btw... you said saddam was not a terrorist.. but he seems to fit your definition of terrorist.
Your own president labelled him as RUTHLESS TYRANT....
Saddam was secular ... he did not use religion as < a cover for terrorist activities >
He did not have cells such as Al-Quaeda ( see link further up )


He was a DICTATOR, supported by western governements
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well... unless of course you are going to continue with your bizarre and twisted logic and characterize midnight kidnappings and executions, rape rooms, torture, gassing men/women/children, secret police networks grabbing people left and right to never be seen again, gunning down crowds of people as just "good old fashioned wholesome fun for the whole family".
All this is taking place now .... Does that make your president a terrorist ....
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Your own president labelled him as RUTHLESS TYRANT....
Saddam was secular ... he did not use religion as < a cover for terrorist activities >
He did not have cells such as Al-Quaeda ( see link further up
how does "ruthless tyrant" mean "terrorist" "

funny how one moment you are pulling out the definitions to teach "the trailer trash" as you put it and the next moment, you can't speak english.
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All this is taking place now .... Does that make your president a terrorist ....
you have to steer away from what Saddam was and shine the light on Bush because even in the state you are in, with the weakened little gerbils, spinning the shoddy, squeaking wheels of deductive reasoning and logic in your so called "mind".. you know you can't defend Saddam because he was evil personified.
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and he was only "supported by western governments" because it was in their interest AT THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT IN TIME to support him. of course you dont condemn france, china, russia or anyone else for doing their own oil deals under the table, breaking all agreements under the oil for food program and filling his pockets with billions in cash, while he does nothing but build billion dollar palaces at the expense of his own dying people, creating a 15% mortality rate for children under 5... because afterall, they aren't "america" so they are ok.

in your simple mind, "interests" and doing whats in a nations best interest is ok ... as long as it isn't the US doing it.
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you have to steer away from what Saddam was and shine the light on Bush because even in the state you are in, with the weakened little gerbils, spinning the shoddy, squeaking wheels of deductive reasoning and logic in your so called "mind".. you know you can't defend Saddam because he was evil personified.
This is good you are "learning this boy". I'm too tired to stay up. Have fun, although it is a little like making fun of the kid that wears the helmet on the short bus. Its not all that rewarding. I give up.

PleasurePays, you are okay in my book.
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how does "ruthless tyrant" mean "terrorist" "
it does not.... read.


it means dictator, like Pinochet, Idi Amin Dadda, and so on


Terrorists: Kadafi ( now a friend , yesterday a foe ) , Bin Laden, ...

Dictator : abuses his own people ( you should recognize that phrase , lives like a king )

Terrorist: attacks and blow up targets in and out of his country ... does it for religious reasons mainly ( think Ireland )..

Stay tuned for the next teaching tomorrow.
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you have to steer away from what Saddam was and shine the light on Bush because even in the state you are in, with the weakened little gerbils, spinning the shoddy, squeaking wheels of deductive reasoning and logic in your so called "mind".. you know you can't defend Saddam because he was evil personified.

If Bush fits the mold, why not ... because he is the teflon president ?

And I did not defend Saddam, I just labelled him properly .
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and he was only "supported by western governments" because it was in their interest AT THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT IN TIME to support him. of course you dont condemn france, china, russia or anyone else for doing their own oil deals under the table,
Fuck your either dumb or blind ...

WESTERN COUNTRIES included the so hated France The UK, and so on ... Otherwise, I would have typed USA ...

You are pathetic ...
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Fuck your either dumb or blind ...

WESTERN COUNTRIES included the so hated France The UK, and so on ... Otherwise, I would have typed USA ...

You are pathetic ...
i am pathetic? i am not the one turning a blind eye to how the world actually works, defending an irrational view of the world with horrible logic and repetitive arguments that get shot down everytime you make them.

i am beginning to suspect that your one true goal is not to sway opinions about the US or Bush or to "vent" - but its just to kill pixels. i underestimated you... you're doing it brilliantly.

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terrorism dipshit, is using violence to sway political views, opinion and shape policy... ooops! you can call me an idiot... but then you would have to argue that the IRA was bombing London for jesus!

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defending an irrational view of the world with horrible logic and repetitive arguments that get shot down everytime you make them.
Shot down .. you didn t even address them ....

If it makes you happy : Saddam was not a Dictator, but a Terrorist ....


Maybe he was also a STATE ....
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terrorism dipshit, is using violence to sway political views, opinion and shape policy... ooops! you can call me an idiot... but then you would have to argue that the IRA was bombing London for jesus!


Really ....

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Really fed up educating the trailer trash here ....

BTW, Ireland did blowup bombs in London, but that is probably also hate propaganda.

You win, you are right, you are the smartest... after Degenerate
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Retard. Women violated? Man, I do hope the US Gov reads this board and tracks your ass down. That is terrorist talk right there. Idiot.
LOL...

Go fuck yourself you fucking idiot, your fucking gov can't even touch me..

But they will investigate you due of 2257...

And, yes, your nationalist population should be destroyed and their women violated..

American soldiers violated asian women in Vietnam and killed them after that.

They did the same shit in Iraq

Now, american bitches should feel the consequences, i hope they kidnape bush girls and violate them.. FUCK BUSH AND FUCK YOU.
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I'm not here blurting out figures that cant be backed.... Boy Alley is. You are here either because you hate the US, or you're bored. If you think you are going to get to me, you underestimate me.

Its no secret that you divebomb every anti-US thread and support it, or jump in every pro-US thread and try to rip it. Pathetic.

Get a life.

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Saddam managed to keep his people under control by killing WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY less of them than what we've killed already.

He gassed what, a few hundred people? We've killed how many civilians so far (by "accident" of course)? I believe the number is in the XX,XXX and the country is still out of control.

Sometimes it takes an animal to keep other animals under control.
Did someone drop you on your fucking head?
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LOL...

Go fuck yourself you fucking idiot, your fucking gov can't even touch me..

But they will investigate you due of 2257...

And, yes, your nationalist population should be destroyed and their women violated..

American soldiers violated asian women in Vietnam and killed them after that.

They did the same shit in Iraq

Now, american bitches should feel the consequences, i hope they kidnape bush girls and violate them.. FUCK BUSH AND FUCK YOU.

Wow funny how you are on directfiesta's side... wow.... moron.
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Old 08-07-2006, 11:30 PM   #136
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Fuck you nazi.

Nazi? LOL... I don't even know how to respond to that.... you are insane brotha.
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Old 08-08-2006, 12:23 AM   #137
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Seems to me that you hate your US government so much, that you'd rather back a terrorist that murdered THOUSANDS. You are a piece of shit. My 2 cents.
Why do you rednecks automatically play that same card the minute you hear someone question our government?

As BoyAlley stated, Saddam is on trial for killing a handful of people, not "hundreds of thousands". Prosecution is unsure of what the verdict will be, and there are plans in place for what will happen if he is found not guilty (which is a good possibility considering the FACTS of the case against him). If he really did kill xxx,xxx people then don't you think such claims and supporting evidence would be made by the prosecution to lock the guilty verdict in?

Saddam himself does not deny that he was involved in the gassing deaths. His side of the story is that they got caught in the crossfire in the war against Iran. This is believable, especially considering the CIA gave him those very weapons to use on Iran back when we were on Saddam's side during that war.


He has another trial coming up after this one concerning mass graves that were found. It is believed these Iraqi's were aiding and abetting Iran in the war. In other words, treason, which is punishable by DEATH even here in the USA.

And before someone brings up the fact that the bodies of children were found in those graves, let me remind you that the US is the only major country in the world to send children to death row.
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As BoyAlley stated, Saddam is on trial for killing a handful of people, not "hundreds of thousands". Prosecution is unsure of what the verdict will be, and there are plans in place for what will happen if he is found not guilty (which is a good possibility considering the FACTS of the case against him). If he really did kill xxx,xxx people then don't you think such claims and supporting evidence would be made by the prosecution to lock the guilty verdict in?
thats not correct in the way you are making it sound. he is being tried for specific crimes... not all crimes he ever committed. just because he has not been tried for other crimes or been formally charged and tried does not mean he won't be.. further, i doubt that anyone will see a need given the seriousness of the crimes he is being tried for, the penalties and the fact that the only real reason for the trial is for closure to victems.
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And before someone brings up the fact that the bodies of children were found in those graves, let me remind you that the US is the only major country in the world to send children to death row.
trying a 16 year old as an adult and convicting him for a capital crime that he committed is now the same as rounding up families and children who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time and summarily shooting them in the face?

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Odd in that same story it also said.
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Although at least 300,000 Iraqis are said to have been killed during Saddam's decades-long rule ? only about 5,000 are believed to have been gassed to death in a 1988 attack in the Kurdish north.
Thanks so much for clearing it up that ONLY 5,000 where gassed to death and 300,000 Iraqis killed during Saddams rule.
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Thanks so much for clearing it up that ONLY 5,000 where gassed to death and 300,000 Iraqis killed during Saddams rule.

Funny how that killed the thread....

I can just copy and paste that until eternity. Proves the only point I tried to make on page 1.
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ok you win. let's just let the middle east run wild and do whatever they want. i'm sure it will be very peaceful for non-muslims in the future...
trying to force a very different culture into our way of live is not ever going to work. people like degenerate would support anything as long as it was 'american'. can you say baahh?
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name 10 things you love about the USA
and 10 things Bush has done that is good.
I love:

1. New York
2. Our National Parks system
3. Our freedom to say what we want
4. Our entrepreneurial spirit
5. Our colleges, universities, hospitals, and museums
6. The fact that the internet was developed here
7. Our freedom of religion
8. Our generosity in helping other countries
9. Our current President who deeply cares about the security of our country
10. The US DOJ's policy on adult entertainment

OK, so scratch the last one.
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Funny how that killed the thread....

I can just copy and paste that until eternity. Proves the only point I tried to make on page 1.

THe article, that I posted and that nastynun quotes, says:

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300,000 Iraqis are said to have been killed during Saddam's decades-long rule ? only about 5,000 are believed to have been gassed to death in a 1988 attack in the Kurdish north.
I will take the time to explain to you that Saddam , as a dictator, was in power, thanks to the backing of western civilisations, during 20 years or so.

So, during ( that is the word used and quoted ) those years, 300 000 Iraquis have been killed ...

FYI, there was a war with Iran , backed on both sides by the USA , war that killed most of them ...

A bit like if you attributed to Lyndon Johnson the number of killed in Vietnam ...

Anyway, obviously, you are not interested in facts ( none have ben brought up by your clan, but only with what makes you feel goog and justified to rape young girls, destroy a country, abuse prisonners, kidnap for export torture , and so on ...


So go to your local Walmart ( not so far from your trailer park shed ), buy a few Made in China Flags, and wish to liberate the poor Cubans or the poor North Koreans ... I know you really care for them...

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Saddam was estimated to have killed hundreds of thousands of people over his 24 year rule. He ruled Iraq longer than Hitler ruled Germany.

What kind of stupid comparison is that? He also ruled Iraq longer than Bush did.
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