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some crazy shit yo.

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I just did some quick reading on Dylan Avery. He originally created Loose Change as a fictional story. After further research he decided maybe his fictional story had some truth to it and ran with that. LOL. Ok, I thought that was kind of funny.

I suppose I could find some truth to the existence of unicorns somewhere. Let me get back to you on that.

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Do you have any proof of that whatsoever? Or is that 100% speculation? If that's backed up by something I would love to know.

Sorry but believing something simply because you hear it and it fits your beliefs, makes you no better than those who blindly accept the government's story.

SmokeyTheBear

they both had vids with 9/11 in the title ?
whoah there dude i think you been sippin on the haterade a little early today.

moore is a showman , he does movies , that was my point. loose change is a movie not a documentry, untill they remove the inuendo's and such just like moore's films

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Phoenix

the bush family has been under heavy investigation for many many years

Securities fraud...bank and loan fraud

oh shit..they were almost taken down for the savings and loan scams they ran in the 80's

look up Goerge bush in RICO files.

as for prrof on those buildings holding info on them....ill do your research for you and comeback with some

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What I could never figure out is how can it be so hot to melt the steel in the buildings but not hot enough to melt the people standing in the same place?

Mr. Soul

lol, did dollarmansteve put me on ignore since page one? He's still posting but ignoring my question. I have to ask four times for him to back up something he said he would gladly back up on page one?

Or, are you just ignoring me because you realize that what you said is wrong, and maybe, just maybe, what you view as irrefutable fact could possible be wrong. Imagine that, not knowing everything beyond a reasonable doubt about an extremely complex situation.

I suppose we'll just have to agree that the Bin Laden tape is a fake. From that, the government authenticating it directly involves them in a conspiracy. hmm, Steve, looks like you're a conspiracy theorist after all.

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Number of Christian Jews in Israel Doubles to 10,000
In Israel, the number of Christian Jews, known as Messianic Jews, has doubled in size to about 10,000 due to recent immigration waves.

Posted: Saturday, April 30 , 2005, 16:40 (BST)




In Israel, the number of Christian Jews, known as Messianic Jews, has doubled in size to about 10,000 due to recent immigration waves, according to Messianic leaders and evangelism opponents.

Eitan Shishkoff, the leader of a Messianic community in Haifa, located about 70 miles north of Jerusalem, says that there are roughly 10,000 members in 80 Messianic congregations around the country.

The population is twice that of 1980?s, when significant numbers of immigrants from the former Soviet Union began entering the country, according to the Jerusalem Post. Shishkoff says that 70 percent of the members in his congregation of 270 are from the Soviet Union.

In Israel, it is illegal for evangelism efforts to involve material benefits for prospective converts, according to the Jerusalem Post.

Yad L?Achim, and "anti-missionary" organisation opposed to "proselytism" since 1950, says that the Russian-speakers are being approached because of their "weak ties to Judaism and poor socioeconomic status," and are being "bought" through material benefits, according to the Post.

Shishkoff denies the allegation. "Maybe a few of our members first came in contact with us through the charity, but 98 percent of them didn?t ? make that 99.9 percent," he said.






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Mr. Soul

I know that members of their family were involved in the 80's savings and loan scandals. I know they are basically an organized crime family.

I have done plenty of research on this subject, but I have never read anything proving the claims you made, other than unreliable speculation. I asked if you had a source on this, because if true it would be interesting.

Don't get so touchy when someone asks you if you can back up an explosive comment like the one you just made. It's not called doing my research for me, it's called backing up a statement you made with anything besides pure speculation.

Personally I don't just repeat things I read somewhere on the internet. That is the kind of thing that hurts the 9/11 truth movement's credibility, and gives the government appologists an excuse to refuse to support an investigation.

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Number of Christian Jews in Israel Doubles to 10,000
In Israel, the number of Christian Jews, known as Messianic Jews, has doubled in size to about 10,000 due to recent immigration waves.

Posted: Saturday, April 30 , 2005, 16:40 (BST)




In Israel, the number of Christian Jews, known as Messianic Jews, has doubled in size to about 10,000 due to recent immigration waves, according to Messianic leaders and evangelism opponents.

Eitan Shishkoff, the leader of a Messianic community in Haifa, located about 70 miles north of Jerusalem, says that there are roughly 10,000 members in 80 Messianic congregations around the country.

The population is twice that of 1980?s, when significant numbers of immigrants from the former Soviet Union began entering the country, according to the Jerusalem Post. Shishkoff says that 70 percent of the members in his congregation of 270 are from the Soviet Union.

In Israel, it is illegal for evangelism efforts to involve material benefits for prospective converts, according to the Jerusalem Post.

Yad L?Achim, and "anti-missionary" organisation opposed to "proselytism" since 1950, says that the Russian-speakers are being approached because of their "weak ties to Judaism and poor socioeconomic status," and are being "bought" through material benefits, according to the Post.

Shishkoff denies the allegation. "Maybe a few of our members first came in contact with us through the charity, but 98 percent of them didn?t ? make that 99.9 percent," he said.






Francis Helguero
Christian Today Correspondent

Worldnet

They have a nice article in Newsweek this week about america's craving for conspiracy's.

Mr. Soul

I hope this sexxysites charector isn't trying to ask me something, or insult me, which is what I would lean towards. He's on my ignore list, but I see him posting after me a couple times in this thread.


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Sly

Is it online or the rag?

I think some conspiracies are very interesting. But it seems like some people get so wrapped in finding a conspiracy that they start ignoring rationale thought and actual facts. Some of the theories about Kennedy's assassination are great.

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Number of Christian Jews in Israel Doubles to 10,000
In Israel, the number of Christian Jews, known as Messianic Jews, has doubled in size to about 10,000 due to recent immigration waves.

Posted: Saturday, April 30 , 2005, 16:40 (BST)




In Israel, the number of Christian Jews, known as Messianic Jews, has doubled in size to about 10,000 due to recent immigration waves, according to Messianic leaders and evangelism opponents.

Eitan Shishkoff, the leader of a Messianic community in Haifa, located about 70 miles north of Jerusalem, says that there are roughly 10,000 members in 80 Messianic congregations around the country.

The population is twice that of 1980?s, when significant numbers of immigrants from the former Soviet Union began entering the country, according to the Jerusalem Post. Shishkoff says that 70 percent of the members in his congregation of 270 are from the Soviet Union.

In Israel, it is illegal for evangelism efforts to involve material benefits for prospective converts, according to the Jerusalem Post.

Yad L?Achim, and "anti-missionary" organisation opposed to "proselytism" since 1950, says that the Russian-speakers are being approached because of their "weak ties to Judaism and poor socioeconomic status," and are being "bought" through material benefits, according to the Post.

Shishkoff denies the allegation. "Maybe a few of our members first came in contact with us through the charity, but 98 percent of them didn?t ? make that 99.9 percent," he said.






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Tdog

I would think its more of a craving for a real investigation of 9/11.

Phoenix

this is just the tip of the iceberg..to really see how devious they are..look up the saving and loan fraud they did to the tune of a billion dollars in the 80's

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york071002.asp
http://quest.cjonline.com/stories/09...07005881.shtml

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/005333.html
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...nd+loan+frauds


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.....kind of like the end of Fight Club.

Alky

and that's what you're basing your evidence on? assumption that the government didn't have any classified information there... and that the 10th floor isn't a secure location... in all seriousness ... how the hell do you know that?

Phoenix

cause and effect

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He's trying to tell you that the number of Christian Jews in Israel has increased to 10000. Apparently he's trying to back up an argument you had earlier.

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Ya Im here, mixing in some work here and there

I never claimed to know with exact certainty all of the exact events - I have access to the same information you do. All I know is reality. Planes were hijacked, planes crashed, people died. What frustrates me is the debate of these fundamentals - these things happened.. there were no missiles.. there was no controlled demolition, there was no massive government conspiracy to directly engineer the whole thing. To believe such is complete paranoia. Why is is paranoia? Because there are no facts that support any of the theories.. none, absolutely zero. Not to mention the facts that DO exist support contrary theories almost without question.

Everything about 9/11 conspiracy is post-dictive: it is made up after the fact.

Every event has a chain of events that led up to it. There exists only one unique chain of events. There are no multiple truths - there is only one and exactly one - the catch is (and i'l get into that later) is that it is impossible to identify this one 'truth' with 100% certainty.

Now, what 9/11 theories do is take the end result - which everyone already knows - and goes backwards.. piecing together a series of events, that no matter how improbable are still entirely possible. That is, no one can say for certain that it couldn't have happened.

This is the logic that supports the 9/11 conspiracy theories. A complex string of highly improbably events - which violate ockam's razor to the highest degree, but it's obvious that the probability of events has nothing to do with the belief held by the die-hard nuts (and Im not saying that you are one). This is also what makes them so marketable - they present a possible scenario made up of fantastical events filled with intrigue and suspense, with a hint of possibility so there is at least something to grasp on to. It's masterful Sci-fi at its best. Carl Sagan would be proud.

Now, no theory (of anything) is ever 100% 'true' - In quantum physics for example there is Heisenberg's uncertainty principle - which has to do with the inability to measure characteristics of certain sub-atomic particles with 100% accuracy - and thus you can only predict such quantities based on a probability distribution.

In the spirit of that, one can never have complete knowledge, but must feel comfortable that, in the vast majority of cases - simple probability dictates that the most probable things are the most likely things. In short, one has to be able to accept a degree of uncertainty.

If you approach the whole event with an unbiased mind and accept that chaos is normal, then perhaps the reality of the situation will sink in. The irony is that the "real truth" is the one that's in front of your face, laid out in black and white - it is the simple, probable truth that's there for all to see. It's not exciting, there's no intrigue, there's no small group of people controlling anything... there's no coverup, there isnt 200 Billion dollars worth of gold, no insurance fraud, no remote controlled airplanes, no missiles.. nothing.. it's all a fantasy.. a marvelous work of fantastic science fiction.

If you can accept that there really isnt all that much 'to figure out' .. and realize that not believing the conspiracy theories doesnt mean you are 'towing the government line' or 'have your head in the sand' or make you 'a sheep' and doesnt make you a Bush supporter or a republican (these are all just tactics used by groups of people to manipulate others into being part of 'their group', they make you part of the 'out group' if you dont side with them. They also tend to piggy-back on prevalent divisive issues.. you'll notice the conpiracy theorists piggy-back on partisan US politics - people who dont believe 'The truth' are labelled as government sycophants/republicans, etc.. they are actually quite savvy at indoctornating people)

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Still, everyone pro-conspiracy focuses on details of the events and entirely misses the bigger pictures:

- When/if someone comes forward who can convincingly confess they were involved in the conspiracy, then let's talk.

- If it was a conspiracy, hundreds of people would have been involved. Consider one second how difficult it would be to get all these people to contribute and remain silent. Can you say "guilt complex?" No one in a civilized society mass murders thousands of his own people without it showing somehow - many of those involved would have either come forward after falling into deep depression and/or be a total basket case by now. Ask a shrink and see what he/she says.

- It's one thing to send troops overseas to Iraq and watch 3000 die over several years, but entirely another thing to purposely launch drones and missiles into your own buildings. I know a lot of people hate Bush, but you're basically suggesting he's in the same league as Idi Amin and Adolf Hitler!

And I stated this long way back and no one ever came up with a credible reply:

If YOU were in Bush's shoes (or whomever else you think planned this conspiracy) and wanted to do something like this, is this the way you would have done it? Why the planes/missiles? Why 4 planes instead of just 1? It's 4 times the difficulty and 4 times the chance something goes wrong, etc.

Besides, they could've just blown up the buildings and had the same effect. Said terrorists snuck in the building and planted them.

But using planes/drones/missiles ... come on, there's a hundred ways they could've created a terrorist attack and this way would be one of the most difficult and hardest to cover up.

Plant a few bombs, buildings come down, CNN covers it live for a month, "we have proof Iraq funded the terrorists" ... would it have been any less of a reason for Bush to invade Iraq?

Or ... it was a cover-up to destroy evidence in the WTC? Again, why the complication? Blow 'em up!

Come back when you have a rational theory on why this mother of all conspiracies was planned the way it was and how no one involved has ever come forward or been found out.

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That article was printed in 2005. There are many Christian Jews in the US and other places around the world. He denies that there are Christian Jews.

Kevsh

From now on, anytime this topic comes up again I'm going to cut and paste this, if you don't mind Steve. Brilliant and bang-on.

Dollarmansteve

You can see my response above. Sorry, I do have a job. Anyway, I didnt address your tape issue. The fact is, you have not referenced the tape, you are referencing one frame of a tape that you think shows someone who is not Osama Bin Laden.

Please, watch the tape in its entirety - and at least entertain the possibility that it is actually him - because you have to agree that there is possible that its him, right? Would that not seem slightly logical?

If you refuse to even believe that it could possibly be him - then there's no point is discussing the issue since you've already made up your mind. Also, the burden of proof lies not on me to prove to you that it is in fact Bin Laden, the burden of proof is with you to prove otherwise. As it stands, the case presented is of one still frame and that doesnt do it for me (or anyone).

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Did you watch the whole tape?

Mr. Soul

ahh, I see, thank you. I'm sure his source is impecable.

10,000 out of 5 million is many to him. Not to mention the Websters Dictionary saying that Jews who convert to Christianity are ostracized, and are no longer considered Jews by their community.

Now I remember why this guy is on my ignore list.

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Number of Christian Jews in Israel Doubles to 10,000
In Israel, the number of Christian Jews, known as Messianic Jews, has doubled in size to about 10,000 due to recent immigration waves.

Posted: Saturday, April 30 , 2005, 16:40 (BST)




In Israel, the number of Christian Jews, known as Messianic Jews, has doubled in size to about 10,000 due to recent immigration waves, according to Messianic leaders and evangelism opponents.

Eitan Shishkoff, the leader of a Messianic community in Haifa, located about 70 miles north of Jerusalem, says that there are roughly 10,000 members in 80 Messianic congregations around the country.

The population is twice that of 1980?s, when significant numbers of immigrants from the former Soviet Union began entering the country, according to the Jerusalem Post. Shishkoff says that 70 percent of the members in his congregation of 270 are from the Soviet Union.

In Israel, it is illegal for evangelism efforts to involve material benefits for prospective converts, according to the Jerusalem Post.

Yad L?Achim, and "anti-missionary" organisation opposed to "proselytism" since 1950, says that the Russian-speakers are being approached because of their "weak ties to Judaism and poor socioeconomic status," and are being "bought" through material benefits, according to the Post.

Shishkoff denies the allegation. "Maybe a few of our members first came in contact with us through the charity, but 98 percent of them didn?t ? make that 99.9 percent," he said.






Francis Helguero
Christian Today Correspondent

Dollarmansteve

Im pretty sure that no one in the general public has seen the whole tape, as far as my knowledge goes the tape was never released in its entirety. I've seen what everyone else has seen - I remember the day it was on TV.

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Thats amazing because I could of swore that I saw the towers get hit with planes

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Phoenix

all arguments from the ANTI's have been broken every single time this comes up...but they still use the same ones

no one can keep a secret?
you guys realise who is enforcing the secrets?...you know who you are talking about? the first person to speak out on that very select group...they not only die..but all their family will start dying as well....now this is an extremist group of people who value loyalty very high.....other easier to swallow and more reasonable examples might include the manhattan project...10,000 people worked on it for years without it leaking

shit i was goign to go on here and expand but i have company now

ding dong


we are talking about master criminals here...they dont play by the same rules as the rest of society....oh sorry cant kill a bunch of people cause thats not nice..lol step out your own thought patterns for a second and just think....you can not concieve of it..as it is not in your possible scope of action...you all think y oud be the nice king, good to the people, building hospitals and feeding babies..lol so of course it is hard to believe that some people really dont give a flying fuck about other people...they look out for their families and that is it!!!

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In the video Osama 'E' appears to write notes with his right hand, yet the FBI's description of Osama indicates he is left-handed. Osama 'E' wears a ring on his right hand which does not appear on other confirmed photos of Osama (e.g. Osama 'B'). Another man is seen wearing a large gold ring in the video. Since the wearing of gold rings is forbidden by Islam it shows neither he nor Osama 'E' has any devotion to this faith.



http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

Mr. Soul

How is the burden of proof on me? This tape is the only evidence that Bin Laden is behind the attack, and on this assumption, we have waged war against two nations, and now a proxy war against a third, not to mention rolling back our civil liberties which took decades of struggle for our forefather to win.

I would suggest that the burden of proof is on the government to prove to me, an American, military aged, tax paying citizen, that the tape is Bin Laden. I could make a tape of me in a turban saying that I'm Bin Laden and am responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing. The burden of proof is not on the people who would view it as a fabrication, it is on the people who would use the video as evidence of something.

I have watched the entire video, I used a picture because that is the easiest thing to post. If you have not seen the video tell me and I will provide a link.

Before seeing it, of course I believed it was him. After carefully reviewing it, I do not believe there is a possibility that it is him in this video. Yes of course I have made up my mind about this, I reviewed it carefully and came to that conclusion. In my opinion there are several aspects of this video that prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the video is not him. This does not mean I take it as proof that Bin Laden was not involved in the attacks, it simply means I believe the video is not of Bin Ladin. Which should raise question that need answers.

Tdog

The Bin Laden Tape

Here ya go, its only 1 min. check it out.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=P6oAeK1dl...Vi deo%20Tape

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I did post the evidence in my previous post. Did you read it?

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Messianic Jews recognize that their existence is entirely due to God's intervention on behalf of His Jewish people. Messianic Judaism is part of the fulfillment of God's many Scriptural promises of eternal love and faithfulness to Israel.

The "Messianic Jewish identity" is wholly dependent on the person of Yeshua: God Himself come to earth to reconcile the Jewish people and all nations to Himself. (See our Statement of Faith to find out more.)

"All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all." - Isaiah 53:6
The foundation of Messianic Judaism, therefore, is each individual's personal relationship with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob through Messiah Yeshua. In the Hebrew Law God clearly demands a blood sacrifice for the remittance of sins. Each Messianic Jew recognizes his or her own sinfulness and has accepted that Yeshua Himself provided this sacrifice.

Another important aspect of the Messianic Jewish movement is Jewish congregational worship. If Yeshua really is the Jewish Messiah of whom all the Jewish Law and Prophets spoke, then it is the most Jewish thing in the world to follow Him!

Should Jews really attempt to assimilate into churches and forego their Jewish identity when they choose to put their faith in the Jewish Messiah? Messianic Judaism answers, "No!"

As Yeshua Himself embraced His Jewishness, Messianic Jews seek to embrace theirs, by meeting in congregational communities with other Jewish believers and by maintaining a Biblically Jewish expression of their faith. Every congregation is different, but this expression often means worshiping in Hebrew, following Mosaic Law, dancing as King David did before the Lord, and keeping Biblical holidays such as Pesach, Sukkot, or Shavuot.

Also important is Messianic Judaism's ministry to both the Jewish community and the Christian body of believers. Messianic Jews are part of the larger Body of Messiah throughout the world, and Messianic Jews hope to help all believers in Yeshua to better understand the Jewish roots of their faith. Finally, Yeshua declared that no-one can comes to the Father - the God of Israel! - except through Him (John 14:6). Messianic Jews seek to share this way, this truth, and this life with their Jewish brothers and sisters.

http://www.mjaa.org/index.cfm

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Messianic Judaism is a monotheistic religion centered on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, that claims at least 50,000 to 100,000 followers and 300 to 500 congregations worldwide as of 2006

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Jews

Messianic Jews recognize that their existence is entirely due to God's intervention on behalf of His Jewish people. Messianic Judaism is part of the fulfillment of God's many Scriptural promises of eternal love and faithfulness to Israel.

The "Messianic Jewish identity" is wholly dependent on the person of Yeshua: God Himself come to earth to reconcile the Jewish people and all nations to Himself. (See our Statement of Faith to find out more.)

"All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all." - Isaiah 53:6
The foundation of Messianic Judaism, therefore, is each individual's personal relationship with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob through Messiah Yeshua. In the Hebrew Law God clearly demands a blood sacrifice for the remittance of sins. Each Messianic Jew recognizes his or her own sinfulness and has accepted that Yeshua Himself provided this sacrifice.

Another important aspect of the Messianic Jewish movement is Jewish congregational worship. If Yeshua really is the Jewish Messiah of whom all the Jewish Law and Prophets spoke, then it is the most Jewish thing in the world to follow Him!

Should Jews really attempt to assimilate into churches and forego their Jewish identity when they choose to put their faith in the Jewish Messiah? Messianic Judaism answers, "No!"

As Yeshua Himself embraced His Jewishness, Messianic Jews seek to embrace theirs, by meeting in congregational communities with other Jewish believers and by maintaining a Biblically Jewish expression of their faith. Every congregation is different, but this expression often means worshiping in Hebrew, following Mosaic Law, dancing as King David did before the Lord, and keeping Biblical holidays such as Pesach, Sukkot, or Shavuot.

Also important is Messianic Judaism's ministry to both the Jewish community and the Christian body of believers. Messianic Jews are part of the larger Body of Messiah throughout the world, and Messianic Jews hope to help all believers in Yeshua to better understand the Jewish roots of their faith. Finally, Yeshua declared that no-one can comes to the Father - the God of Israel! - except through Him (John 14:6). Messianic Jews seek to share this way, this truth, and this life with their Jewish brothers and sisters.

http://www.mjaa.org/index.cfm

Nathan

Everyone keeps saying they probably pulled WTC 7 because it was too damanged... Interesting and all, but it collapsed just a few hours after the two towers went down, right? And it was a 30+ story building?

You telling me that in just a few hours they can rig 30+ stories with explosives so that they actually blow out the supporting structure and make it collapse? Last time I checked this kind of thing takes DAYS of planning and preperation, thats why WTC 6 took so long to be pulled, no?

So IF it was pulled, how could it have been pulled on a decission made just a few hours before that if it was not already prepared?

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Mr. Soul

For the most part I agree with your assement of conspiracy theorists. I don't think any of them know the truth any more than you or I do. 99% of it is speculation. Again, I don't pretend to know what happened or who did it.

What I want is a real, independant investigation. There shouldn't even be a question about having an investigation into the worst crime in American history, yet the neo-conservatives have fought every attempt to have one. This is the basis of my concern.


Yes you did bro, page one, and you told me it had been "thoroughly debunked", and offered to show me the truth about it. I would like to read the debunking you have read. I'm not the kind of person who doesn't like hearing that he's wrong about something. If I'm wrong, I want to know. Anyone who has any additional information about the confession tape that I may not know about it, please post it.



No wild conspiracy theories here, but I would like to learn the truth, if you know it.

Dollarmansteve

The FBI says he's left handed - but this does not necessarily imply that he writes with his left hand. For example, if someone were to see my play hockey or bat in baseball - they would say I am right handed, but I in fact write with my left hand. Also, people commonly write with their other hand to disguise handwriting and some people are ambidextrous. I've never written arabic, so I dont know how difficult it would be to switch hands.

There is no way to know the ring is made of gold. Secondly, here is lots of photos of him wearing a ring:





You show one still of Osama 'E', here is another still frame of Osama 'E' from the same video. looks alot like Osama A.

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the 'three pillars' of the fake bin-laden tape conspiracy are:

- he is left handed
- he is wearing a gold ring
- one still from the video doesnt look like him

Those issues are addressed in the post above.

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Messianic Judaism is a monotheistic religion centered on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, that claims at least 50,000 to 100,000 followers and 300 to 500 congregations worldwide as of 2006

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Jews

Messianic Jews recognize that their existence is entirely due to God's intervention on behalf of His Jewish people. Messianic Judaism is part of the fulfillment of God's many Scriptural promises of eternal love and faithfulness to Israel.

The "Messianic Jewish identity" is wholly dependent on the person of Yeshua: God Himself come to earth to reconcile the Jewish people and all nations to Himself. (See our Statement of Faith to find out more.)

"All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all." - Isaiah 53:6
The foundation of Messianic Judaism, therefore, is each individual's personal relationship with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob through Messiah Yeshua. In the Hebrew Law God clearly demands a blood sacrifice for the remittance of sins. Each Messianic Jew recognizes his or her own sinfulness and has accepted that Yeshua Himself provided this sacrifice.

Another important aspect of the Messianic Jewish movement is Jewish congregational worship. If Yeshua really is the Jewish Messiah of whom all the Jewish Law and Prophets spoke, then it is the most Jewish thing in the world to follow Him!

Should Jews really attempt to assimilate into churches and forego their Jewish identity when they choose to put their faith in the Jewish Messiah? Messianic Judaism answers, "No!"

As Yeshua Himself embraced His Jewishness, Messianic Jews seek to embrace theirs, by meeting in congregational communities with other Jewish believers and by maintaining a Biblically Jewish expression of their faith. Every congregation is different, but this expression often means worshiping in Hebrew, following Mosaic Law, dancing as King David did before the Lord, and keeping Biblical holidays such as Pesach, Sukkot, or Shavuot.

Also important is Messianic Judaism's ministry to both the Jewish community and the Christian body of believers. Messianic Jews are part of the larger Body of Messiah throughout the world, and Messianic Jews hope to help all believers in Yeshua to better understand the Jewish roots of their faith. Finally, Yeshua declared that no-one can comes to the Father - the God of Israel! - except through Him (John 14:6). Messianic Jews seek to share this way, this truth, and this life with their Jewish brothers and sisters.

http://www.mjaa.org/index.cfm

Tdog

Sexxxy Sites, do you have to post the same thing over and over? We get the point.

hagbard

I'm converted.

I'll tell you, the most amazing thing to me is how the government managed to do a controlled demo of 2 (or 3) buildings witnessed by at least tens of thousands of people while ensuring that not one of them would be a demolition specialist with a big mouth. It's also amazing how they got all the devices into all the buildings without alarm being raised. For a government that can't do anything right they sure did a good job of covering up their shit.

Bravo you brave whistle blowers.

Tdog

Its a good point. Its something that is left open for debate. I always hate to get off the real facts like WTC7 falling straight down.