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BusterBunny · 08-02-2006, 01:32 PM

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ContentSHOOTER · 08-02-2006, 01:33 PM

Those kinda look like blast points on WTC 7

baddog · 08-02-2006, 01:33 PM

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WTC 7 was pulled because it housed a wealth of info being collected on the current admin...they were going to crucify them....all the evidence was in there....the bush family has been under the gun by the usa for decades

I am glad you told me in person that you say things on GFY to get a reaction or I would be seriously concerned about you.

Phoenix · 08-02-2006, 01:34 PM

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Actually, many parts of that lame documentary have been refuted. As one example, one of the reporter's featured in the video outside the Pentagon recently came on TV and showed the entire clip - and clearly the Loose Change producer(s) did some creative editing. They showed you only want they wanted you to see, and that's not the only place they did that.

And that is the real problem with the documentary: It really only shows evidence to support the conspiracy theory it's trying to get everyone to believe. It's far, far from objective and as I've said before, if you studied "critical analysis" in school (and still remember who to apply it!), you'll rip that video's credibility to shreds.

i have watched both versions...number two is better

however these were just made for the semi casual observer

i pay close attention to many news sources on the subject...if i had only seen loose change i wouldnt be giving this much attention..however i have watched viewed and studied alot more then one video made in someone basement

Phoenix · 08-02-2006, 01:34 PM

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I am glad you told me in person that you say things on GFY to get a reaction or I would be seriously concerned about you.

this is the truth man...RICO

Dollarmansteve · 08-02-2006, 01:35 PM

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correction...research this yourself so you believe the sources...but i believe it was Neil Bush who took overr direct control of the security there in the months before the demolition.

circumstantial

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now...also look this up it is fact....all bomb sniffing dogs were taken out of those buildings during that time

the only reason there were bomb sniffing dogs there AT ALL is because there was a BOMB THREAT. Once the bomb threat was deemed a false alarm, the bomb sniffing dogs left. oooh.. crazy.

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now also look this up it is fact...huge areas of the buildings were being closed down, especially in the basement....huge sections of the building were closed and only allowed personel were able to enter.

I think the 1993 bombing of the WTC proved that blowing up the basement of the WTC doesnt do a very good job of making it fall down...

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plenty of time for a crack force to plant explosives..and no pesty german shephards who cant be bought to complain about the bombs they smell

look it up....it is all there

ya, and anyone with half a brain can see through all the crap

Mr. Soul · 08-02-2006, 01:35 PM

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Dude get real.. I have no agenda other than an intolerance for irrational thought.

You have yet to explain how any of the key questions being asked are irrational.

To me, just accepting someone's word on who committed these crimes is one of the most irrational things I've ever heard.

"Oh, the government says it was Bin Laden? Then it's crazy to question that, despite the fact that they offer no proof he was involved or any explanation as to how they decided he was responsible".

That sounds very irrational to me. I'm not a "conspiracy theorist" who thinks that a cruise missile hit the Pentagon and aliens destroyed the towers, I'm a New Yorker who was within jogging distance when it happened and I would like to see a public investigation, and those responsible held accountable. We deserve at least that much. Where's the evidence? So far they have offered us neither an investigation nor proof as to who was responsible. All they have offered us is endless war waged on an undefined enemy as our response.

Dollarmansteve · 08-02-2006, 01:37 PM

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Those kinda look like blast points on WTC 7

Really? to me it looks like debris being blown out of windows caused by the massive change in air pressure in a space filled with air when its suddenly filled up with falling building.

Phoenix · 08-02-2006, 01:37 PM

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circumstantial

the only reason there were bomb sniffing dogs there AT ALL is because there was a BOMB THREAT. Once the bomb threat was deemed a false alarm, the bomb sniffing dogs left. oooh.. crazy.

I think the 1993 bombing of the WTC proved that blowing up the basement of the WTC doesnt do a very good job of making it fall down...

ya, and anyone with half a brain can see through all the crap

bomb dogs are always in the WTC dude...ALWAYS...exceot right up to then

planting explosives in the basement only helped the cause..it was the explosives planted through out the building that did it in

woj · 08-02-2006, 01:38 PM

wow, people are still debating this? lets move onto something else already...

Dollarmansteve · 08-02-2006, 01:39 PM

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You have yet to explain how any of the key questions being asked are irrational.

"Oh, the government says it was Bin Laden? Then it's crazy to question that, despite the fact that they offer no proof he was involved or any explanation as to how they decided he was responsible".

First of all, I couldnt care less what the US government says - its not my government.

WTC collapses = controlled demolition is irrational. Why? Because there is absolutely no evidence to support such a theory but lots of evidence to the contrary.

Dollarmansteve · 08-02-2006, 01:40 PM

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bomb dogs are always in the WTC dude...ALWAYS...exceot right up to then

planting explosives in the basement only helped the cause..it was the explosives planted through out the building that did it in

*yawn* Like i've said before - everyone shapes their reality with their beliefs. Obviously, for some reason.. you need to believe the 9/11 conspiracy theory. As long as it makes you happy, that's all that really matters.

Mr. Soul · 08-02-2006, 01:40 PM

Dollarmansteve, maybe you missed my post on the last page. Could you please show me your source on the debunking of the confession video?

Kevsh · 08-02-2006, 01:41 PM

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look it up....it is all there

Sorry, where is "there"? If it's a credible source, fine, point me to it!

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plenty of time for a crack force to plant explosives..and no pesty german shephards who cant be bought to complain about the bombs they smell

According to the documentary the explosions occurred at various points in the building, not just the basement. They even showed the mini-explosions all the way up the side of the building - as it collapsed, mind you (an entirely different argument).

So I would then assume there were explosives all the way up the building? Explosives strong enough to do structural damage too ... so where exactly were they hiding? How did they get them up there, planted, and covered up so that nobody knew or saw anything?

Hey, this isn't like bringing a tray of sandwiches up to the 83rd for Sally's birthday party - this is detonation experts carting thousands of pounds up a very big building and then concealing them until the fateful day.

But beyond all the riff-raff about dogs, bombs, witnesses, etc. etc. I'm still confused how not one person responsible has come forward? If it was a giant conspiracy, hundreds of people at least were in on it. And at least a few of them must feel awfully bad about what happened ... yet, nothing...

Okay, I'm back to work!

ContentSHOOTER · 08-02-2006, 01:42 PM

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wow, people are still debating this? lets move onto something else already...

Not until the truth is revealed, looks like were gettin close

Phoenix · 08-02-2006, 01:43 PM

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Sorry, where is "there"? If it's a credible source, fine, point me to it!

According to the documentary the explosions occurred at various points in the building, not just the basement. They even showed the mini-explosions all the way up the side of the building - as it collapsed, mind you (an entirely different argument).

So I would then assume there were explosives all the way up the building? Explosives strong enough to do structural damage too ... so where exactly were they hiding? How did they get them up there, planted, and covered up so that nobody knew or saw anything?

Hey, this isn't like bringing a tray up to the 83rd for Sally's birthday party - this is detonation experts carting thousands of pounds up a very big building and then concealing them until the fateful day.

But beyond all the riff-raff about dogs, bombs, witnesses, etc. etc. I'm still confused how not one person responsible has come forward? If it was a giant conspiracy, hundreds of people at least were in on it. And at least a few of them must feel awfully bad about what happened ... yet, nothing...

Okay, I'm back to work!

maybe i wasnt clear..they were shutting down entire sections of the whole building

look it up

Tdog · 08-02-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

Controlled demolitions did not topple the twin towers, that is the only fairy tale here.

Carry on.

This is an image of WTC7 falling down in 6.5 seconds.
Looks just like the hotels in Las Vegas when they fall straight down.
How can a building fall, that fast, straight down from a few fires?

Larry Silverstein, the WTC leaseholder, said he decided that the smartest thing to do to the WTC 7 was to "pull it" when a NYFD commander told him that he wasn't sure they were going to be able to contain the fire in the building and said after they made the decision to "pull" the WTC 7, they "watched the building collapse." The term "pull" was used to describe the demolition of the WTC 6 days later.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=6_Xs0Lb-Wqc&search=wtc7

Mr. Soul · 08-02-2006, 01:49 PM

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First of all, I couldnt care less what the US government says - its not my government.

WTC collapses = controlled demolition is irrational. Why? Because there is absolutely no evidence to support such a theory but lots of evidence to the contrary.

How the buildings came down is not my main concern. I'm not an engineer or a physics expert. To me the main issue is who is responsible.

At this point nothing is proven, so you are right, it is irrational to say with certainty that explosives were used. However it is also irrational to say with certainty that explosives were not used.

I disagree that is irrational to question how they came down. I have heard engineers claim that explosives were used. I have also not seen concrete evidence to the contrary, as you claim to have. Either way, to me this is a secondary point.

I think the public should be demanding an investigation and beyond a reasonable doubt evidence that Bin Laden and co were behind the attacks. It's already three wars too late, but we're still owed that much. Until then, I can't rationally find reason to rule out the possibility that, if not directly involved, the government is covering up the truth about this tragedy. I don't see how any reasonable person can accept the government's claims until they are proven.

To me it's like a kid accepting their mother telling them that if they make funny faces, their face will stay that way. We just believe it because that's what we're trained to do.

Manowar · 08-02-2006, 01:50 PM

I think Monkeys did it. Fucking Monkeys

and maybe the lions too

Mr. Soul · 08-02-2006, 01:51 PM

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wow, people are still debating this? lets move onto something else already...

Yeah, the defining point in 21st century American history, the basis for our policy of endless war for the next 50+ years, the basis for the restriction of our civil rights and freedoms... let's just forget about it and move on to talking about what song is at the top of the charts. You know, the important things in life.

I think I like your post bot better.

ContentSHOOTER · 08-02-2006, 01:55 PM

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Yeah, the defining point in 21st century American history, the basis for our policy of endless war for the next 50+ years, the basis for the restriction of our civil rights and freedoms... let's just forget about it and move on to talking about what song is at the top of the charts. You know, the important things in life.

I think I like your post bot better.

Extremely well said. "the defining point in 21st century American history"

MediaGuy · 08-02-2006, 01:57 PM

I didn't see the crashes, but I saw the buildings coming down. It was a perfectly (statistically improbable) symmetrical demolition job. I saw buildings taken down all my younger life - on movie sets, around the industrial area of town... if there was one charge off, the thing toppled dangerously, sideways... you have to be very precise and GOOD to get a building to fall down on itself so beautifully.

On top of it, like in any demolition, you could see the charges going off up and down in sequence, to weaken the lower levels progressively and give the least resisitance - and the least chance for out-of-control toppling - as it went straight down.

My first thought was - they must have built it with those charges built in, in case something happened and their destruction with minimal surrounding damage and casualties was necessary.

How anyone can look at that footage and think its NOT demolition is beyond me.

Sexxxy Sites · 08-02-2006, 02:00 PM

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Works both ways, doesn't it? What evidence is there that your assumptions about the incident are correct? Show me one bit of evidence that Al Queada was behind the attack. The fact that CNN had Bin Laden's face on TV 15 seconds after the second plane hit doesn't do it for me.

So, any situation in which you don't personally have decicive proof, you simply accept the government's story without question? Without even leaving room for the posssibility of questioning it? My thoughts about the situation may be agnositc, but yours are certainly dogmatic. I'm saying I don't know exactly what happened. You're saying with absolute certainty that the government's story is true.

Please show me the debunking of this tape. There is no way the person on the tape I have seen was Osama Bin Laden. It doesn't take TV telling me that one way or another. Look at the confession tape beside other tapes known to be Bin Laden. Sometimes you have to trust your own eyes and common sense. Common sense tells me that Bin Laden did not get a nose job for the confession video.

Bin Laden on the confession tape that CNN told me was real beyond question:

Real Bin Laden:

Differences I can see with my own two eyes: Fatty Bin Laden (fake tape) has a wide nose, higher cheeks, and his face isn't as wide (look at width of face at eye level).

Bill O'Reilly saying over and over again that this is the real Bin Laden is never going to confuse me into believing it.

This is far from the only thing that raises questions in my mind. The absolute refusal from the administration to investigate is another major one.

Then there's building 7, which didn't have a "20 foot hole" in it, at least not when I saw it burning, from about 200 feet away an hour before it fell. And yes, the owner of that building, Larry Silverstien, going on TV and saying that they demolished that building. Then the 9/11 commission denying that.

It goes on and on. Anyone who accepts the official story before we have a real, independent investigation, is thinking with their emotions, not their heads. You're saying there is no evidence, well, it's hard to prove anything without investigating, which for some reason our leadership has made sure will not happen. What you're saying is the definition of dogma.

How about Bin Laden being on tape admitting that he is responsible?

BTW, still no thank you for me educating you, you just continue to live on in ignorance.

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jayeff · 08-02-2006, 02:14 PM

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basically, you're jumping to a 100% conclusion based on second hand facts and opinions.

That's the most sensible observation I have seen so far. Most conspiracy theorists speak with far too much conviction from their armchairs, but such as dollarmansteve are guilty of the exact same thing.

I haven't come across any "conspiracy theories" I'm comfortable with to date, but nor am I happy with the official line. My very first reaction after getting over the shock of seeing 911 "live" was to wonder who the heck was behind it. I have spent almost 40 years of my life studying the politics and people of the Middle East and while I can think of many groups who would approve of what happened on 911, I just cannot relate the planning and execution of those events with the arab character.

Then there was the way that Al Quaida, formerly seen as a terrorist training camp no different from many others in North Africa and the Middle East was suddenly elevated to the status of global terror organization. There were all the obstacles that the White House put in the way of even official investigations. And above all, the hugely convenient coincidence that the group supposedly responsible for 911 was located in Afghanistan, a country which in April blew off our pipeline negoatiations and was the intended target of the forces we had been collecting in the Mediterranean since summer.

Cynical as I am, I cannot bring myself to believe our government was actually involved in 911 and I tend to think the reported cock-ups were just that. However, given the dishonesty with which GW later manipulated (and continues to manipulate) public opinion over Iraq, I have no trouble believing that Bin Laden might have been blamed simply because that was a way to get Bush the public support he needed to invade Afghanistan.

Big_Red · 08-02-2006, 02:28 PM

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hmm, as a structural engineer and a PhD in physics I'd say you're wasting your skills being a board whore for a porn program.

You are absolutely correct Mr. Soul. What the uninformed people dont realize. Is that yes steel has a very high melting point. But the "spin people" dont want you to know it has a lower level at which it becomes plyable.

Its too bad that the sheep dont stop going bah bah and open their wooly eyes.

BTW, I am not a structual engineer. But I do know a professor that is one and he let me know exactly how that building came down. No explosives, sorry. Save that shit for television.

SmokeyTheBear · 08-02-2006, 02:31 PM

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How about Bin Laden being on tape admitting that he is responsible?

thats funny because within days of the attacks he said he had nothing to do with it and that we should look for who would want to start a war between christians and muslims, then later he changed the whole story saying it was him.. but of course neither of those things mean anything really.. some say the second video was faked, some say neither or both were . depends on who you believe . i dont know the guy cant say its him on either tape..

mattz · 08-02-2006, 02:34 PM

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Watch this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=loose+change

http://www.911revisited.com/video.html

And then read the facts:

http://www.st911.org/

http://www.911proof.com/

http://www.truth911.net/

no thanks, it's an hour and half vid

Sly · 08-02-2006, 02:35 PM

I am here to publicly admit that I planted the bomb on the 34th floor on July 7th, 2001.

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I look at this stuff the same way I look at God, Heaven, and Hell. Its quite simple: I don't know. Who does really know? My dad, your dad, the Pakastani that gives me Slurpees every morning at 7/11? I always have to wonder about somebody that can raise their hand and say "I know the 100% truth"... how?

We still don't know exactly how Kennedy was killed and yet we have people claiming they know exactly what happened on September 11th, 2001 in New York and Washington D.C. The only thing that I know 100% about September 11th, 2001 is that it is a day I will never forget.

Yappo.

coolegg2 · 08-02-2006, 02:35 PM

Everyone should occasionaly watch a 9/11 collapse conspiracy video; not because there is any truth there, and not just because they are funny as hell in the way they try much too hard, but because it will boost your confidence in your ability to see through bullshit, even loads of slickly-produced bullshit vaguely disguised as pseudo-engineering.

This one is great: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...56561589268281 The narrator's attempt to sound credible and somewhat like a professional narrator is hilarious.

SmokeyTheBear · 08-02-2006, 02:35 PM

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You are absolutely correct Mr. Soul. What the uninformed people dont realize. Is that yes steel has a very high melting point. But the "spin people" dont want you to know it has a lower level at which it becomes plyable.

Its too bad that the sheep dont stop going bah bah and open their wooly eyes.

BTW, I am not a structual engineer. But I do know a professor that is one and he let me know exactly how that building came down. No explosives, sorry. Save that shit for television.

so basically even though you admit you dont have the knowledge to know if it is true because someone told you it wasnt bombs therefore that is the truth. ? even though the company that certified the steel , people in the business of testing the structural integrity of the steel said its IMPOSSIBLE , you still believe some prof ? so basically you believe a guy who's job ISNT testing steel integrity over someone who's job IS to test steel integrity.. just so we get the facts straight here.. that doesnt sound to bright to me...

hmm sorry if i was to trust the opinion of someone i think logically you would trust someone who has tested steel thousands and thousand of times over someone who hasn't tested steel integrity.. but hey thats just me.. guess im just silly that way

SmokeyTheBear · 08-02-2006, 02:37 PM

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Everyone should occasionaly watch a 9/11 collapse conspiracy video; not because there is any truth there, and not just because they are funny as hell in the way they try much too hard, but because it will boost your confidence in your ability to see through bullshit, even loads of slickly-produced bullshit vaguely disguised as pseudo-engineering.

This one is great: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...56561589268281 The narrator's attempt to sound credible and somewhat like a professional narrator is hilarious.

98% of every good conspiracy flick is false , thats what makes it so catchy..

anyone who couldnt see through 98% of michael moore's bullshit is an idiot.. but its the 2% left over that scares me ..

Xplicit · 08-02-2006, 02:38 PM

Its so disgusting that people here still believe the government story about 9/11.

Seriously disgusting that people so stupid exist.

psili · 08-02-2006, 02:38 PM

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thats funny because within days of the attacks he said he had nothing to do with it and that we should look for who would want to start a war between christians and muslims, then later he changed the whole story saying it was him.. but of course neither of those things mean anything really.. some say the second video was faked, some say neither or both were . depends on who you believe . i dont know the guy cant say its him on either tape..

Didn't watch the tapes of Bin Laden, dunno if they're faked or not, but wanted to add Hollywood did a pretty good job at digitizing a dead Brandon Lee face onto an actor in the '94 The Crow.

K R I S T E N · 08-02-2006, 02:38 PM

WATCH LOOSE CHANGE

Sexxxy Sites · 08-02-2006, 02:39 PM

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thats funny because within days of the attacks he said he had nothing to do with it and that we should look for who would want to start a war between christians and muslims, then later he changed the whole story saying it was him.. but of course neither of those things mean anything really.. some say the second video was faked, some say neither or both were . depends on who you believe . i dont know the guy cant say its him on either tape..

I think that the tape with him discussing the attack was found in Afganistan but my memory may not be correct. Also if my memory serves me well, he had already officially delcared war on the US by written declaration as well as verbal, not once but twice, prior to 9/11. Someone will correct me if my memory does not serve me well.

SmokeyTheBear · 08-02-2006, 02:40 PM

all you have to do is look at the very first transcript of this video of this thread to know its misleading.. the very first recording is of a firefighter telling the dispatcher that witness's told him they saw several explosions on floor 7 , 8 , 9 is what the transcript says , but anyone familiar with police/fire knows he meant floor 78 as in seven eight , meaning 78 not floor 7 , but of course explosions on floor 7 and 8 sound alot more intriguing

SmokeyTheBear · 08-02-2006, 02:43 PM

most of the firedept transcript were misleading infact , its clear several of the "explosions" they are talking about are the building collapsing , but its misconstrued as being "bombs" and several make it seem like they are in the building when infacts its firefighters in one building hearing the collaps of the other building.

Dollarmansteve · 08-02-2006, 02:46 PM

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WATCH LOOSE CHANGE

Yes, everyone should watch loose change. And then when they are done they should visit this site: http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html which is the most thorough, line-by-line breakdown of the movie. It identifies every single lie, fallacy, bending-of-truth, etc.. in the film.

Dylan Avery is not a credible news source but he sure can make one hell of a movie.

SmokeyTheBear · 08-02-2006, 02:51 PM

forget all the details forget all the theoretical arguments and instead focus on the following three facts that are so insanely impossible yet happened..

#1 george bush's brother was head of security and his last day on the job was sept 11 , but he took his last day off.

#2 the fbi head of counter terrorism , the leading fbi expert on al queda , just happened to be the guy taking over the head of security at 9/11 , it was his first day on the job and he died in the attacks.

#3 a former pentagon official part of a taskforce defending the pentagon against attacks and who had done many flight simulations of terrorists flying planes into the pentagon , quit his job to become and airline pilot , and what do you know he happens to be the pilot that fly's into the pentagon..

thats some strange shit right there.. i have a few other strange tidbits too , but those are the most intriguing in my opinion ..

oh and wtc7 , seems pretty obvious they pulled it , but the fact they wont admit it is very strange , the owner was on t.v. saying they made the decision to pull the building because it was too damaged , and its not such an illogical decision if thats what they did , it prob was too damaged considering what was around it , the best option would be rebuild it.. but then why not say that..

Sly · 08-02-2006, 02:51 PM

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I think that the tape with him discussing the attack was found in Afganistan but my memory may not be correct. Also if my memory serves me well, he had already officially delcared war on the US by written declaration as well as verbal, not once but twice, prior to 9/11. Someone will correct me if my memory does not serve me well.

Admittedly, I don't know all that much about the 9/11 conspiracies because frankly I don't care.

However, in 1998 the great Osama bin Laden issued a fatwa against the United States, for various reasons, declaring war. ObL was added to the FBI's Ten Most Wanted Fugitives List in 1999, and it wasn't because he had a funny looking beard. He has been linked to several United States Embassy bombings throughout Africa, the bombing of the USS Cole.

The guy is no saint. Even if he wasn't "really" behind 9/11, he sure wishes he was.

Yappo.

coolegg2 · 08-02-2006, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

98% of every good conspiracy flick is false , thats what makes it so catchy..

anyone who couldnt see through 98% of michael moore's bullshit is an idiot.. but its the 2% left over that scares me ..

What does Michael Moore have to do with 9/11 tower-collapse conspiracy vids?

Michael Moore is right in that conservatives are ruining America by turning it into a society where it's every man, woman and child for themselves - that's not a conspiracy theory - it's the truth. Don't hijack my point to serve the truly evil, conservative agenda.

scottybuzz · 08-02-2006, 02:52 PM

may i ask why the governement would want to blow up the towers? i dont see the point!!!!!!!!!!! to invade afghan..? why bin laden even took responsibilty????????? to invade iraq????????? they are not even making a profit out of those two.

sure i am always liberal to believe in huge conspiricies but can someone with knowledge tell me why they would destroy a countries finest buildings and all the wizz's in there plus the pentagon. i dont understand

Shankz · 08-02-2006, 02:52 PM

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Yes, everyone should watch loose change. And then when they are done they should visit this site: http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html which is the most thorough, line-by-line breakdown of the movie. It identifies every single lie, fallacy, bending-of-truth, etc.. in the film.

Dylan Avery is not a credible news source but he sure can make one hell of a movie.

For every documentary there are 50 anti-documentary documentaries, and 1,000 websites "dubunking" every other statement. "Believe nothing" has become my philosophy. Fucking democrats claim "The world is doomed". Republicans say "Everythings fine, buy more shit." Who cares?

SmokeyTheBear · 08-02-2006, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

Yes, everyone should watch loose change. And then when they are done they should visit this site: http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html which is the most thorough, line-by-line breakdown of the movie. It identifies every single lie, fallacy, bending-of-truth, etc.. in the film.

Dylan Avery is not a credible news source but he sure can make one hell of a movie.

for once i agree with you , its never good idea to mix known false data with questionable data especially when you know its false..

the movie brought up many good points , but it brought up many more easily disputed but sensational mistruths/lies some were misleading some were just lies.

MattO · 08-02-2006, 02:54 PM

I swear to Christ that no matter the evindence, you'll still get these conspiracy idiots beliving in some nefarious plot, they're not worth arguing with, it's like arguing with Christians about Evolution, they don't understand critical thinking and scientific inquiry, they have their minds made up before viewing evidence and nothing on the planet is going to sway them.

SmokeyTheBear · 08-02-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

Yes, everyone should watch loose change. And then when they are done they should visit this site: http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html which is the most thorough, line-by-line breakdown of the movie. It identifies every single lie, fallacy, bending-of-truth, etc.. in the film.

Dylan Avery is not a credible news source but he sure can make one hell of a movie.

for once i agree with you , its never good idea to mix known false data with questionable data especially when you know its false..

the movie brought up many good points , but it brought up many more easily disputed but sensational mistruths/lies some were misleading some were just lies.

Phoenix · 08-02-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

may i ask why the governement would want to blow up the towers? i dont see the point!!!!!!!!!!! to invade afghan..? why bin laden even took responsibilty????????? to invade iraq????????? they are not even making a profit out of those two.

sure i am always liberal to believe in huge conspiricies but can someone with knowledge tell me why they would destroy a countries finest buildings and all the wizz's in there plus the pentagon. i dont understand

those buildings contained masive amounts of data on the Bush family and his criminal buddies...especially WTC 7

they not only needed the excuse to go to war..they needed a way to get all t hose documents out of those buildings

Mr. Soul · 08-02-2006, 02:59 PM

Still around, dollarmansteve?

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Originally Posted by Mr. Soul

Starting with the video confession by Osama Bin Laden. Why would the FBI authenticate a tape that is so obviously not Bin Laden? It's not even a good look alike.

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

Also, your bin laden tape theory? Thoroughly debunked.. but you dont want to believe that, you want to believe the conspiracy or at least leave the option open.

Actually I would love to know the truth with absolute certainty, as you claim to. Nothing would make me sleep better at night than knowing for sure who was behind what happened. I didn't start with a predisposition that someone besides Bin Laden was involved. The actions of our government and the reluctance to investigate, combined with the fake tape, and several other factors, have brought me to the conclusion that what we are being taught as irrefutable fact (Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11), is simply not true. Either our government knows who did it and does not want us to know, or they do not know with any certainty. They have no provided any evidence to the contrary besides false confession tapes that contradict Bin Laden's own earlier statements that he was not involved.

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If you want to learn about the real 'truth' and have all your wildest conspiracy theories debunked, feel free to let me know.

Yes, I would like that very much, I'm letting you know. Please show me the real truth you seem to have a monopoly on. I've already asked twice. I have never seen a rational explanation for the false confession, among other things.

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Please show me the debunking of this tape.

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Dollarmansteve, maybe you missed my post on the last page. Could you please show me your source on the debunking of the confession video?

???

Big_Red · 08-02-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

forget all the details forget all the theoretical arguments and instead focus on the following three facts that are so insanely impossible yet happened..

#1 george bush's brother was head of security and his last day on the job was sept 11 , but he took his last day off.

#2 the fbi head of counter terrorism , the leading fbi expert on al queda , just happened to be the guy taking over the head of security at 9/11 , it was his first day on the job and he died in the attacks.

#3 a former pentagon official part of a taskforce defending the pentagon against attacks and who had done many flight simulations of terrorists flying planes into the pentagon , quit his job to become and airline pilot , and what do you know he happens to be the pilot that fly's into the pentagon..

thats some strange shit right there.. i have a few other strange tidbits too , but those are the most intriguing in my opinion ..

oh and wtc7 , seems pretty obvious they pulled it , but the fact they wont admit it is very strange , the owner was on t.v. saying they made the decision to pull the building because it was too damaged , and its not such an illogical decision if thats what they did , it prob was too damaged considering what was around it , the best option would be rebuild it.. but then why not say that..

point #3............The world aint that fucking small.

Very nice points, thanks SmokeyTheBear.

Dollarmansteve · 08-02-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

for once i agree with you , its never good idea to mix known false data with questionable data especially when you know its false..

the movie brought up many good points , but it brought up many more easily disputed but sensational mistruths/lies some were misleading some were just lies.

Agreed. Doesnt it feel nice to agree?

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Mr. Soul Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Manhattan Posts: 1,633	Dollarmansteve, maybe you missed my post on the last page. Could you please show me your source on the debunking of the confession video?

08-02-2006, 01:50 PM	#69
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08-02-2006, 02:35 PM	#79
coolegg2 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 210	Everyone should occasionaly watch a 9/11 collapse conspiracy video; not because there is any truth there, and not just because they are funny as hell in the way they try much too hard, but because it will boost your confidence in your ability to see through bullshit, even loads of slickly-produced bullshit vaguely disguised as pseudo-engineering. This one is great: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...56561589268281 The narrator's attempt to sound credible and somewhat like a professional narrator is hilarious.

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08-02-2006, 02:40 PM	#86
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	all you have to do is look at the very first transcript of this video of this thread to know its misleading.. the very first recording is of a firefighter telling the dispatcher that witness's told him they saw several explosions on floor 7 , 8 , 9 is what the transcript says , but anyone familiar with police/fire knows he meant floor 78 as in seven eight , meaning 78 not floor 7 , but of course explosions on floor 7 and 8 sound alot more intriguing __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

08-02-2006, 02:43 PM	#87
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	most of the firedept transcript were misleading infact , its clear several of the "explosions" they are talking about are the building collapsing , but its misconstrued as being "bombs" and several make it seem like they are in the building when infacts its firefighters in one building hearing the collaps of the other building. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

08-02-2006, 02:51 PM	#89
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	forget all the details forget all the theoretical arguments and instead focus on the following three facts that are so insanely impossible yet happened.. #1 george bush's brother was head of security and his last day on the job was sept 11 , but he took his last day off. #2 the fbi head of counter terrorism , the leading fbi expert on al queda , just happened to be the guy taking over the head of security at 9/11 , it was his first day on the job and he died in the attacks. #3 a former pentagon official part of a taskforce defending the pentagon against attacks and who had done many flight simulations of terrorists flying planes into the pentagon , quit his job to become and airline pilot , and what do you know he happens to be the pilot that fly's into the pentagon.. thats some strange shit right there.. i have a few other strange tidbits too , but those are the most intriguing in my opinion .. oh and wtc7 , seems pretty obvious they pulled it , but the fact they wont admit it is very strange , the owner was on t.v. saying they made the decision to pull the building because it was too damaged , and its not such an illogical decision if thats what they did , it prob was too damaged considering what was around it , the best option would be rebuild it.. but then why not say that.. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

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MattO The O is for Oohhh Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: AUSTIN TEJAS Posts: 10,861	I swear to Christ that no matter the evindence, you'll still get these conspiracy idiots beliving in some nefarious plot, they're not worth arguing with, it's like arguing with Christians about Evolution, they don't understand critical thinking and scientific inquiry, they have their minds made up before viewing evidence and nothing on the planet is going to sway them.