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Originally Posted by Mr. Soul
Still around, dollarmansteve?
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Ya Im here, mixing in some work here and there
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Actually I would love to know the truth with absolute certainty, as you claim to. Nothing would make me sleep better at night than knowing for sure who was behind what happened. I didn't start with a predisposition that someone besides Bin Laden was involved. The actions of our government and the reluctance to investigate, combined with the fake tape, and several other factors, have brought me to the conclusion that what we are being taught as irrefutable fact (Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11), is simply not true. Either our government knows who did it and does not want us to know, or they do not know with any certainty. They have no provided any evidence to the contrary besides false confession tapes that contradict Bin Laden's own earlier statements that he was not involved.
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I never claimed to know with exact certainty all of the exact events - I have access to the same information you do. All I know is reality. Planes were hijacked, planes crashed, people died. What frustrates me is the debate of these fundamentals - these things happened.. there were no missiles.. there was no controlled demolition, there was no massive government conspiracy to directly engineer the whole thing. To believe such is complete paranoia. Why is is paranoia? Because there are no facts that support any of the theories.. none, absolutely zero. Not to mention the facts that DO exist support contrary theories almost without question.
Everything about 9/11 conspiracy is post-dictive: it is made up after the fact.
Every event has a chain of events that led up to it. There exists only one unique chain of events. There are no multiple truths - there is only one and exactly one - the catch is (and i'l get into that later) is that it is impossible to identify this one 'truth' with 100% certainty.
Now, what 9/11 theories do is take the end result - which everyone already knows - and goes backwards.. piecing together a series of events, that no matter how im
probable are still entirely
possible. That is, no one can say for certain that it
couldn't have happened.
This is the logic that supports the 9/11 conspiracy theories. A complex string of highly improbably events - which violate ockam's razor to the highest degree, but it's obvious that the probability of events has nothing to do with the belief held by the die-hard nuts (and Im not saying that you are one). This is also what makes them so marketable - they present a possible scenario made up of fantastical events filled with intrigue and suspense, with a hint of possibility so there is at least something to grasp on to. It's masterful Sci-fi at its best. Carl Sagan would be proud.
Now, no theory (of anything) is ever 100% 'true' - In quantum physics for example there is Heisenberg's uncertainty principle - which has to do with the inability to measure characteristics of certain sub-atomic particles with 100% accuracy - and thus you can only predict such quantities based on a probability distribution.
In the spirit of that, one can never have complete knowledge, but must feel comfortable that, in the vast majority of cases - simple probability dictates that the most probable things are the most likely things. In short, one has to be able to accept a degree of uncertainty.
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Yes, I would like that very much, I'm letting you know. Please show me the real truth you seem to have a monopoly on. I've already asked twice. I have never seen a rational explanation for the false confession, among other things.
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If you approach the whole event with an unbiased mind and accept that chaos is normal, then perhaps the reality of the situation will sink in. The irony is that the "real truth" is the one that's in front of your face, laid out in black and white - it is the simple, probable truth that's there for all to see. It's not exciting, there's no intrigue, there's no small group of people controlling anything... there's no coverup, there isnt 200 Billion dollars worth of gold, no insurance fraud, no remote controlled airplanes, no missiles.. nothing.. it's all a fantasy.. a marvelous work of fantastic science fiction.
If you can accept that there really isnt all that much 'to figure out' .. and realize that not believing the conspiracy theories doesnt mean you are 'towing the government line' or 'have your head in the sand' or make you 'a sheep' and doesnt make you a Bush supporter or a republican (these are all just tactics used by groups of people to manipulate others into being part of 'their group', they make you part of the 'out group' if you dont side with them. They also tend to piggy-back on prevalent divisive issues.. you'll notice the conpiracy theorists piggy-back on partisan US politics - people who dont believe 'The truth' are labelled as government sycophants/republicans, etc.. they are actually quite savvy at indoctornating people)