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Alex · 07-31-2006, 01:35 PM

I dont follow Religion or Theology that much [read: at all]. But lately i have been reading and hearing a lot of people say that the Jewish people killed Jesus.

Now is there something new that was discovered, because i remember my history pretty well and as far as i am concered some Roman Governer who was Orthadox Chrisitain, was the one who sentenced Jesus to crucifixion. So didnt the Christians kill Jesus?

Or was some new part of history uncovered that i missed.

TurboAngel · 07-31-2006, 01:36 PM

You for real?

Alex · 07-31-2006, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TurboAngel

You for real?

No i am a cleverly programmed bot sent here to start shit.

I dont get your question?

Agent 488 · 07-31-2006, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

and as far as i am concered some Roman Governer who was Orthadox Chrisitain, was the one who sentenced Jesus to crucifixion. So didnt the Christians kill Jesus?

MetaMan · 07-31-2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Now is there something new that was discovered, because i remember my history pretty well and as far as i am concered some Roman Governer who was Orthadox Chrisitain, was the one who sentenced Jesus to crucifixion. So didnt the Christians kill Jesus?

TurboAngel · 07-31-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

No i am a cleverly programmed bot sent here to start shit.

I dont get your question?

Malicious Biz · 07-31-2006, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

So didnt the Christians kill Jesus?

Wrong!
it was the second gunman on the grassy knoll

AdPatron · 07-31-2006, 01:45 PM

Jesus was jewish.

Deputy Chief Command · 07-31-2006, 01:46 PM

We all killed and keep on killing jesus every day

Mr. Soul · 07-31-2006, 01:46 PM

Is this a joke? I knew this Alex clown was stupid, but even he can't be this stupid.

the Shemp · 07-31-2006, 01:47 PM

search "Barabbas"

Mr. Soul · 07-31-2006, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

No i am a cleverly programmed bot sent here to start shit.

I dont get your question?

You just suggested that an Orthodox Christian killed Jesus... you really can't figure out the fundamental flaw in your argument? Think real hard.

Go back to ranting about how Israel is always right... at least other morons will back you up there.

notabook · 07-31-2006, 01:57 PM

One day Jesus was in the ring boxing with Mohammed for the Grand Prophet Championship and was holding his own even though Mohammed had at least fifty pounds on him. About halfway through the fight though, Jesus lost his footing and he fell down, slamming his neck on a chair that had be displaced earlier. This paralyzed him from the neck down permanently. Rather than live the rest of his life bed ridden, Jesus begged for God, our father who art in Heaven, to take his life. God granted his request? it was a really touching story. They eventually made a movie about it called the Million Dollar Savior.

TurboAngel · 07-31-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Soul

You just suggested that an Orthodox Christian killed Jesus... you really can't figure out the fundamental flaw in your argument? Think real hard.

Go back to ranting about how Israel is always right... at least other morons will back you up there.

wizhard · 07-31-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

I dont follow Religion or Theology that much [read: at all]. But lately i have been reading and hearing a lot of people say that the Jewish people killed Jesus.

Now is there something new that was discovered, because i remember my history pretty well and as far as i am concered some Roman Governer who was Orthadox Chrisitain, was the one who sentenced Jesus to crucifixion. So didnt the Christians kill Jesus?

Or was some new part of history uncovered that i missed.

Because Jesus did'nt die on the cross.

Hooligan · 07-31-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

as far as i am concered some Roman Governer who was Orthadox Chrisitain, was the one who sentenced Jesus to crucifixion. So didnt the Christians kill Jesus?

The governor (Pontius Pilate) wasnt Christian, he was a Roman (therefore monoteistic)

Jews pushed Pontius Pilate into killing jesus.

Libertine · 07-31-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

I dont follow Religion or Theology that much [read: at all]. But lately i have been reading and hearing a lot of people say that the Jewish people killed Jesus.

Now is there something new that was discovered, because i remember my history pretty well and as far as i am concered some Roman Governer who was Orthadox Chrisitain, was the one who sentenced Jesus to crucifixion. So didnt the Christians kill Jesus?

Or was some new part of history uncovered that i missed.

Just in case your post is serious (which I honestly hope it isn't):

According to the bible, Jesus was arrested by the romans, tried by jew elders and turned over to the roman prefect. The prefect did not believe Jesus to be guilty of any crime, and gave a jewish crowd the choice whether Jesus or a convicted murderer should be set free, believing they would choose Jesus. The crowd, however, spurred on by the jewish elders, chose to set the murderer free, Pilate (the prefect) washed his hands, then had Jesus crucified.

The bible, though, is probably false. Recent studies suggest that Jesus was in fact a jewish rebel against the romans, and was crucified (the standard punishment for rebels) for that. Paul, a roman himself, wanting to spread christianity to the roman empire, probably changed the story, making the jews rather than the romans the guilty party. (and thus making christianity more acceptable to romans)

Christians killing Jesus Christ(!) however, is a clear absurdity. There was no christianity before Jesus, and it only spread to the romans much, much later.

Mediachick · 07-31-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hooligan

The governor (Pontius Pilate) wasnt Christian, he was a Roman (therefore monoteistic)

Jews pushed Pontius Pilate into killing jesus.

Amen.

wizhard · 07-31-2006, 02:28 PM

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The bible, though, is probably false. Recent studies suggest that Jesus was in fact a jewish rebel against the romans, and was crucified (the standard punishment for rebels) for that. Paul, a roman himself, wanting to spread christianity to the roman empire, probably changed the story, making the jews rather than the romans the guilty party. (and thus making christianity more acceptable to romans)

Yes, I lean towards a similar theory myself however I do have a problem with the notion of J.C's death being caused by crucifiction. More plausable in my opinion is the theory that J.C died in a battle with the Roman gaurd.

Christians killing Jesus Christ(!) however, is a clear absurdity. There was no christianity before Jesus, and it only spread to the romans much, much later.

But are we not putting too much faith in the notion that that J.C alone "invented" Christianity ?. Many of the principals and philosophies of Christianity are to be found in the teachings of earlier Gnostic groups.

Bird · 07-31-2006, 02:57 PM

Yeah! But jesus is not dead.......

s9ann0 · 07-31-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Malicious Biz

Wrong!
it was the second gunman on the grassy knoll

yea eveyrone knows it was the mafia orderred the hit!

sperbonzo · 07-31-2006, 03:12 PM

The ROMANS killed jesus, so therefore it is really the Italians that Christians should be pissed off at.

baddog · 07-31-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

I dont follow Religion or Theology that much [read: at all]. But lately i have been reading and hearing a lot of people say that the Jewish people killed Jesus.

Now is there something new that was discovered, because i remember my history pretty well and as far as i am concered some Roman Governer who was Orthadox Chrisitain, was the one who sentenced Jesus to crucifixion. So didnt the Christians kill Jesus?

Or was some new part of history uncovered that i missed.

An Orthodox Christian? Do you even know what constitutes a Christian?

baddog · 07-31-2006, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by the Shemp

search "Barabbas"

For some reason I have my doubts that will help.

Antonio · 07-31-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

An Orthodox Christian? Do you even know what constitutes a Christian?

I'm Orthodox Christian - the Bulgarians, the Russians, and the Greeks are Orthodox Christians - I think it has something to do with the Greek church splitting from the Vatican at some point

Darkland · 07-31-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

Just in case your post is serious (which I honestly hope it isn't):

According to the bible, Jesus was arrested by the romans, tried by jew elders and turned over to the roman prefect. The prefect did not believe Jesus to be guilty of any crime, and gave a jewish crowd the choice whether Jesus or a convicted murderer should be set free, believing they would choose Jesus. The crowd, however, spurred on by the jewish elders, chose to set the murderer free, Pilate (the prefect) washed his hands, then had Jesus crucified.

The bible, though, is probably false. Recent studies suggest that Jesus was in fact a jewish rebel against the romans, and was crucified (the standard punishment for rebels) for that. Paul, a roman himself, wanting to spread christianity to the roman empire, probably changed the story, making the jews rather than the romans the guilty party. (and thus making christianity more acceptable to romans)

Christians killing Jesus Christ(!) however, is a clear absurdity. There was no christianity before Jesus, and it only spread to the romans much, much later.

Everything loses credibility when I hear someone say,"According to the bible..." If you only knew how/when/who pieced the bible together and all the shit that was censored from it you wouldnt have much faith left in it. You did make some valid counter arguments but I just have one thing to say about it all, The Roman Empire and the Political Climate of the time Corrupted everything we know religion to be today, including what most christians think they know and how they practice it....

For those who dont want to pay for a history/theological/religion degree one of the best books you can pick up is Holy Blood Holy Grail. There are others just cant think of them right now of the top of my head.

wizhard · 07-31-2006, 03:44 PM

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The Roman Empire and the Political Climate of the time Corrupted everything we know religion to be today, including what most christians think they know and how they practice it...

Yes, I agree. Good point and well put.

.........and little wonder there's so much scorn and ridicule directed at Christian groups in general these days.

Bdiddy · 07-31-2006, 03:48 PM

Well, if he was actually the son of god.....god killed him

AdultInsider Cloner · 07-31-2006, 03:56 PM

I'm glad there was a serious answer, although I hope it wasn't needed.

Libertine · 07-31-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkland

Everything loses credibility when I hear someone say,"According to the bible..." If you only knew how/when/who pieced the bible together and all the shit that was censored from it you wouldnt have much faith left in it. You did make some valid counter arguments but I just have one thing to say about it all, The Roman Empire and the Political Climate of the time Corrupted everything we know religion to be today, including what most christians think they know and how they practice it....

For those who dont want to pay for a history/theological/religion degree one of the best books you can pick up is Holy Blood Holy Grail. There are others just cant think of them right now of the top of my head.

I do know how the bible evolved, and I have absolutely no faith whatsoever in it... which kinda comes with not believing in supernatural beings.

I agree with you that Rome, among other things, strongly influenced the bible. However, I can not agree with the term "corruption" of the bible. All contemporary religions evolved through long processes in which they were constantly adapted to suit political needs of the time, included beliefs from other religions and traditions, or were just interpreted in a certain way over another, possibly equally (in)valid way.

Religion, like tradition in general, is both a part and a product of culture. There is no real truth hiding behind it somewhere, it is just a collection of superstitions, folklore and culturally determined morality.

Decadawn · 07-31-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Malicious Biz

Wrong!
it was the second gunman on the grassy knoll

and the 3rd one appeared in DeGrassy highschool.

baddog · 07-31-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

I'm Orthodox Christian - the Bulgarians, the Russians, and the Greeks are Orthodox Christians - I think it has something to do with the Greek church splitting from the Vatican at some point

Yeah, and there were all kinds of Roman emperors that were Christian. There was no Vatican when Christ lived.

Snake Doctor · 07-31-2006, 05:18 PM

According to Christian theology Jesus came here to die for our sins.....so technically he committed suicide

L0stMind · 07-31-2006, 05:48 PM

jesus didn't die on a cross! err. Or maybe he did. But christians didn't kill him... unless you believe that all humanity is god's children and thus christian>? Or... I dunno. I'mconfused. hold me.

reynold · 07-31-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by L0stMind

jesus didn't die on a cross! err. Or maybe he did. But christians didn't kill him... unless you believe that all humanity is god's children and thus christian>? Or... I dunno. I'mconfused. hold me.

He died on the cross, was buried, and resurrected after three days. Romans considered him a powerful political figure at that time, so that's the reason why they had him crucified. SOME jews, on the other hand, do not believe that a boy whose father is a simple carpenter would proclaim himself as the messiah and could save the world from sins..

Kimo · 07-31-2006, 07:56 PM

we killed jesus

sickbeatz · 07-31-2006, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

No i am a cleverly programmed bot sent here to start shit.

I dont get your question?

ALICEBOT!!!!!
SENT ME YOUR MIND FILE PLZ, I LIKE IT

directfiesta · 07-31-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

The prefect did not believe Jesus to be guilty of any crime, and gave a jewish crowd the choice whether Jesus or a convicted murderer should be set free, believing they would choose Jesus. The crowd, however, spurred on by the jewish elders, chose to set the murderer free, Pilate (the prefect) washed his hands, then had Jesus crucified.

that took place on GFY, didn't it ????

AdPatron · 07-31-2006, 09:24 PM

MaDalton · 07-31-2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

I do know how the bible evolved, and I have absolutely no faith whatsoever in it... which kinda comes with not believing in supernatural beings.

I agree with you that Rome, among other things, strongly influenced the bible. However, I can not agree with the term "corruption" of the bible. All contemporary religions evolved through long processes in which they were constantly adapted to suit political needs of the time, included beliefs from other religions and traditions, or were just interpreted in a certain way over another, possibly equally (in)valid way.

Religion, like tradition in general, is both a part and a product of culture. There is no real truth hiding behind it somewhere, it is just a collection of superstitions, folklore and culturally determined morality.

this man knows his stuff

MaDalton · 07-31-2006, 09:37 PM

and btw - that was the dumbest thread ever on gfy - the christians killed jesus - awesome...

Rochard · 07-31-2006, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Malicious Biz

Wrong!
it was the second gunman on the grassy knoll

That guy gets around, doesn't he?

shahab6 · 07-31-2006, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wizhard

Yes, I lean towards a similar theory myself however I do have a problem with the notion of J.C's death being caused by crucifiction. More plausable in my opinion is the theory that J.C died in a battle with the Roman gaurd.

Christians killing Jesus Christ(!) however, is a clear absurdity. There was no christianity before Jesus, and it only spread to the romans much, much later.

But are we not putting too much faith in the notion that that J.C alone "invented" Christianity ?. Many of the principals and philosophies of Christianity are to be found in the teachings of earlier Gnostic groups.

It spread to romains about 500 years later

KRL · 07-31-2006, 11:34 PM

Jesus has to be the greatest character story name ever created. Can you imagine 2,000 years after you died and people are still talking about you and thinking you're coming back again.

Amazing.

shahab6 · 07-31-2006, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

According to Christian theology Jesus came here to die for our sins.....so technically he committed suicide

Actually god sacrifice his son jesus for the sin of the people. So you all need to blame god as he sacrifice his only son.

shahab6 · 07-31-2006, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KRL

Jesus has to be the greatest character story name ever created. Can you imagine 2,000 years after you died and people are still talking about you and thinking you're coming back again.

Amazing.

If we had a piece of his DNA, in the future we might of been able to bring him back.

Rinaldo · 07-31-2006, 11:52 PM

mathew wasn't written until 70 years after Jesus' Death the last book, I beleive Mark was written 200 years later. None of the books were written by an apostle.
The entire thing is a retelling of another's stories. Jesus wasn't technically just a carpenter's son, he was a direct descendant of Kind David. However Jews were persecuted as usual (Aren't they always

so he did not take a crown.

All in all it was a convenient way to control masses of people. Brilliant Marketing for Civil order if you ask me. It's quite interesting that We're experiencing another wave thanks to Scientologists. Imagine if in 50 years it becomes the dominant religion. And an actual alien spacecraft lands somewhere on earth and justifies all their insane claims. We'd have to listen to their shit for two millenia.

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