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iwantchixx · 07-18-2006, 08:37 PM

Is there a fucking workaround to being able to send POP mail through an ISP that is blocking relaying?

Meaning, I try to send mail using my domain account and my isp ROGERS denies the relaying. At first Iw as using default port 25. Then I was instructed by the host to use port 2525. Now port 2525 is blocked. is there an application/script etc to allow me to relay view my domain instead on different ports?

This is godamn rediculous. Why do they think it benefits anyone by blocking the ability for someone to use their domain's email?

KrisKross · 07-18-2006, 08:45 PM

Loads of ISPs block relaying. Allowing relaying opens them up to all kinds of abuse. Many ISPs will offer packages where you can relay, however.

Honestly though, I work for an ISP and I've never had a customer give me half-decent reason as to why they would need to use their own SMTP servers.

Brad Gosse · 07-18-2006, 08:45 PM

Rogers and Bell are fucked up in this dept. Bell only lets u send outgoing mail through their mail server which is always down.

iwantchixx · 07-18-2006, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisKross

Loads of ISPs block relaying. Allowing relaying opens them up to all kinds of abuse. Many ISPs will offer packages where you can relay, however.

Honestly though, I work for an ISP and I've never had a customer give me half-decent reason as to why they would need to use their own SMTP servers.

being able to use email on a domain I own is not a good enough reason?

iwantchixx · 07-18-2006, 08:50 PM

confirmed, I just read the TOS and basically, they only support domain email if I get a business package and host with THEM.

isn't that illegal.

KrisKross · 07-18-2006, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

being able to use email on a domain I own is not a good enough reason?

You can still send/receive with the account if you use the domain's POP servers and your ISP's SMTP servers. The mail still gets delivered and still shows your domain address.

Off the top of my head, I can't name a single ISP that'll let you relay with just a basic account.

micker · 07-18-2006, 08:54 PM

find out if the server your sending it to can accept it on port 225.. I'm on comcast and they block it and I was unable to send to webair... changing ports to a secondary port fixed it

Captain Canada · 07-18-2006, 08:56 PM

I am also on rogers - if you cant set a relay thru your host then you can use rogers to send your outgoing mail for your domain - that is instead of using your domains outgoing email settings such as mail.mydomain.com use your regular rogers outgoing email id's - this will still get your mail sent out as if it was coming from your domain.

iwantchixx · 07-18-2006, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Canada

I am also on rogers - if you cant set a relay thru your host then you can use rogers to send your outgoing mail for your domain - that is instead of using your domains outgoing email settings such as mail.mydomain.com use your regular rogers outgoing email id's - this will still get your mail sent out as if it was coming from your domain.

really? I tried that before and no go, lemme try again.

Thanks

MaddCaz · 07-18-2006, 08:57 PM

fuck ISPs....

iwantchixx · 07-18-2006, 09:07 PM

nope, not working.

it's asking for a login for their smtp server.

Captain Canada · 07-18-2006, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

nope, not working.

it's asking for a login for their smtp server.

Yup - just use your regular password for your rogers account (plus your regular outgoing rogers email settings - I use smtp.bloor.phub.net.cable.rogers.com) - trust me - this works perfect.

minusonebit · 07-18-2006, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisKross

Loads of ISPs block relaying. Allowing relaying opens them up to all kinds of abuse. Many ISPs will offer packages where you can relay, however.

Honestly though, I work for an ISP and I've never had a customer give me half-decent reason as to why they would need to use their own SMTP servers.

Yeah, its another example of how no problem is so great that it cant be overcome by charging a fee for another "service".

I have a decent reason as to why I need to use my own SMTP service: BECAUSE I FUCKING WANT TO. I buy the account, you provide the access. Its none of thier fucking business what I do with my access. If I do something illegal, then whoever has a claim against me can make it out in Court.

I spent hours on the phone yelling at a third level support rep about this when I had ISDN through a little ISP in Michigan. Finally, when I could see that I wasnt getting anywhere and then after I was done having fun with the poor slob I canceled the account and charged back three months of service. (I told them I'd be running my own mail servers when I signed up, they said that was fine since it was a dedicated commerical account).

Soultions for your issue:

1. Run on another port other than 25 or 2525 and change it each time they block it. Run it on port 2526 for starters.
2. Get a new ISP. Be sure to tell them why you are leaving.
3. Get a dedicated server for mail and run on Port 80. Let them block port 80.

iwantchixx · 07-18-2006, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Canada

Yup - just use your regular password for your rogers account (plus your regular outgoing rogers email settings - I use smtp.bloor.phub.net.cable.rogers.com) - trust me - this works perfect.

see thats the thing... It's not my cable service. Dude we are renting from takes care of that and can't seem to figure out how to add an account for me to use.

Moving in a month anyways, so then I'll be able to I guess.

minusonebit · 07-18-2006, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Canada

I am also on rogers - if you cant set a relay thru your host then you can use rogers to send your outgoing mail for your domain - that is instead of using your domains outgoing email settings such as mail.mydomain.com use your regular rogers outgoing email id's - this will still get your mail sent out as if it was coming from your domain.

This is a huge privacy risk. Anyone who has enough brains to read full headers now knows who your ISP is. Not a good thing.

iwantchixx · 07-18-2006, 09:28 PM

It's just a piss off.. Rogers is going above and beyond raping their customers lately. Adding transfer limits, after 60 gigs in one month of "unlimited internet" they send a threat letter. Do it again they cancel your services and keep billing you for the remainder of the year based on what month you signed up. Example, get hooked up in a may, get shut off a few years later in January, you pay until may rolls around.

Also, they block ALL ports that bit torrent runs on. SO even non torrent traffic using those ports is blocked.

They are throttling FTP connections, transfer a huge file? No way!. You get booted from that port just long enough to kill the connection.

Want to run an interface or server from your system to remote access your system or view files in a page you made to display them or have directory listings? NOPE.. Considered a server and threatened to be cut off. They literally cut my bandwidth down to dialup speeds once until I called them and they told me why. Was not allowed to run a script on port 80 (or any port) that allowed me remote access to my files.

And now this email shit.

FUCK them.

All those things they refuse to let customers do can be overcome by paying above what it's worth. Sure I could do a lot more if I had a biz account setup once I have my own internet access again, but it's all things I was able to do not that long ago. And event hen, they want anything you pay for to be associated to them in services you have to pay tons more for!

grrrr...

It's too bad they are the fasted net provider in the area.

pornguy · 07-18-2006, 09:38 PM

They will tell you time and again that it is to stop spam.

minusonebit · 07-18-2006, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

They will tell you time and again that it is to stop spam.

This is true. And the only thing that will stop spam now is to completely get rid of e-mail. Soon, I will not use e-mail at all, I am developing an alternative now. If you want to talk to me, you'll open a ticket.

directfiesta · 07-18-2006, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minusonebit

This is true. And the only thing that will stop spam now is to completely get rid of e-mail. Soon, I will not use e-mail at all, I am developing an alternative now. If you want to talk to me, you'll open a ticket.

I tought I was the only one thinking this way .. nice to see I have company.

facialfreak · 07-18-2006, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisKross

You can still send/receive with the account if you use the domain's POP servers and your ISP's SMTP servers. The mail still gets delivered and still shows your domain address.

Off the top of my head, I can't name a single ISP that'll let you relay with just a basic account.

This is 100% correct!

use your mail.domain.com as your POP3, and mail.rogers.com (or whatever SMTP they supply you with) as the SMTP, and all will work perfectly fine.

Open mail relaying opens us up to major spam attacks that would make the BlueFrog/Blue Security fiasco seem like Fisher-Price.

facialfreak · 07-18-2006, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

It's just a piss off.. Rogers is going above and beyond raping their customers lately. Adding transfer limits, after 60 gigs in one month of "unlimited internet" they send a threat letter. Do it again they cancel your services and keep billing you for the remainder of the year based on what month you signed up. Example, get hooked up in a may, get shut off a few years later in January, you pay until may rolls around.

Also, they block ALL ports that bit torrent runs on. SO even non torrent traffic using those ports is blocked.

They are throttling FTP connections, transfer a huge file? No way!. You get booted from that port just long enough to kill the connection.

Want to run an interface or server from your system to remote access your system or view files in a page you made to display them or have directory listings? NOPE.. Considered a server and threatened to be cut off. They literally cut my bandwidth down to dialup speeds once until I called them and they told me why. Was not allowed to run a script on port 80 (or any port) that allowed me remote access to my files.

And now this email shit.

FUCK them.

All those things they refuse to let customers do can be overcome by paying above what it's worth. Sure I could do a lot more if I had a biz account setup once I have my own internet access again, but it's all things I was able to do not that long ago. And event hen, they want anything you pay for to be associated to them in services you have to pay tons more for!

grrrr...

It's too bad they are the fasted net provider in the area.

I hear your pain bro, but you have to realize, you are trying to run a business on a residential connection. What Rogers offers you would be OVERKILL for most people using the net to surf some porn, download an MP3 or 10, and chat with friends ...

If your needs are more than what they offer in that package, then you need to spring for a BUSINESS SOLUTION account.

To paraphrase this situation - you cannot buy a Ford Focus, and then be pissed off at Ford because a BMW M5 does the QM in half the time.

madawgz · 07-18-2006, 10:26 PM

maybe if you called them they would fix it...?

venus · 07-18-2006, 11:03 PM

call your ISP, tell them you want the blocks removed, they give you a static IP and you are all set.

As someone said, its usually a business account but its not much more then a regular account.

your other option is to buy your own mail server software, install it on your server and your all set, make sure it has a web browser interface tho ... you can also get browser interfaces for mail servers but they are not as good as the ones built for the server software, here is mine
http://mail.vcomm.net:81

KrisKross · 07-18-2006, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minusonebit

Yeah, its another example of how no problem is so great that it cant be overcome by charging a fee for another "service".

I have a decent reason as to why I need to use my own SMTP service: BECAUSE I FUCKING WANT TO. I buy the account, you provide the access. Its none of thier fucking business what I do with my access. If I do something illegal, then whoever has a claim against me can make it out in Court.

I spent hours on the phone yelling at a third level support rep about this when I had ISDN through a little ISP in Michigan. Finally, when I could see that I wasnt getting anywhere and then after I was done having fun with the poor slob I canceled the account and charged back three months of service. (I told them I'd be running my own mail servers when I signed up, they said that was fine since it was a dedicated commerical account).

Soultions for your issue:

1. Run on another port other than 25 or 2525 and change it each time they block it. Run it on port 2526 for starters.
2. Get a new ISP. Be sure to tell them why you are leaving.
3. Get a dedicated server for mail and run on Port 80. Let them block port 80.

Dude, your internet service is a privilege, not a right. They provide the service, they set the conditions. Not happy with those conditions? Then go elsewhere or pay extra to so the account works to your specifications.

And like facialfreak said, get a business account. Don't run your business on a residential account.

facialfreak · 07-18-2006, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

... but it's all things I was able to do not that long ago ...

Yes ... and I never used ANY virus protection until late 2003 - not that long ago either.

The net has evolved - Rich medias have benefited dramatically, while email has suffered, and is pretty much an archaic means of communications now.

Remember email's popularity was in the fact that it was instantaneous, FREE communications ... We now have the same capabilities with real-time voice chat - MINUS the 500+ daily V1a6rA spams!

07-18-2006, 08:37 PM	#1
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	This is FUCKING retarted. ISPs are going too far. Is there a fucking workaround to being able to send POP mail through an ISP that is blocking relaying? Meaning, I try to send mail using my domain account and my isp ROGERS denies the relaying. At first Iw as using default port 25. Then I was instructed by the host to use port 2525. Now port 2525 is blocked. is there an application/script etc to allow me to relay view my domain instead on different ports? This is godamn rediculous. Why do they think it benefits anyone by blocking the ability for someone to use their domain's email?

07-18-2006, 08:45 PM	#2
KrisKross Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 5,024	Loads of ISPs block relaying. Allowing relaying opens them up to all kinds of abuse. Many ISPs will offer packages where you can relay, however. Honestly though, I work for an ISP and I've never had a customer give me half-decent reason as to why they would need to use their own SMTP servers. __________________

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iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	confirmed, I just read the TOS and basically, they only support domain email if I get a business package and host with THEM. isn't that illegal.

07-18-2006, 08:54 PM	#7
micker Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 748	find out if the server your sending it to can accept it on port 225.. I'm on comcast and they block it and I was unable to send to webair... changing ports to a secondary port fixed it

07-18-2006, 08:56 PM	#8
Captain Canada Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 469	I am also on rogers - if you cant set a relay thru your host then you can use rogers to send your outgoing mail for your domain - that is instead of using your domains outgoing email settings such as mail.mydomain.com use your regular rogers outgoing email id's - this will still get your mail sent out as if it was coming from your domain.

07-18-2006, 09:07 PM	#11
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	nope, not working. it's asking for a login for their smtp server.

07-18-2006, 09:28 PM	#16
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	It's just a piss off.. Rogers is going above and beyond raping their customers lately. Adding transfer limits, after 60 gigs in one month of "unlimited internet" they send a threat letter. Do it again they cancel your services and keep billing you for the remainder of the year based on what month you signed up. Example, get hooked up in a may, get shut off a few years later in January, you pay until may rolls around. Also, they block ALL ports that bit torrent runs on. SO even non torrent traffic using those ports is blocked. They are throttling FTP connections, transfer a huge file? No way!. You get booted from that port just long enough to kill the connection. Want to run an interface or server from your system to remote access your system or view files in a page you made to display them or have directory listings? NOPE.. Considered a server and threatened to be cut off. They literally cut my bandwidth down to dialup speeds once until I called them and they told me why. Was not allowed to run a script on port 80 (or any port) that allowed me remote access to my files. And now this email shit. FUCK them. All those things they refuse to let customers do can be overcome by paying above what it's worth. Sure I could do a lot more if I had a biz account setup once I have my own internet access again, but it's all things I was able to do not that long ago. And event hen, they want anything you pay for to be associated to them in services you have to pay tons more for! grrrr... It's too bad they are the fasted net provider in the area.

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