To Circumcise or Not to Circumcise........??? Court Fight..

[JFK]

here we go again "Parents take circumcision fight to court"
I personally feel its an outmoded barbaric practice, however each to his own , check out the article.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/15/ci....ap/index.html

[StickyGreen]

barbaric practice? lol...

[kristin]

The kid is EIGHT!! He's gonna remember that ...

I've seen the table that they strap the kid's down to. They no longer do it in the hospitals because that way the insurance company can get more money out of you. They make you do it in a pediatrician's office now.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

barbaric practice? lol...

YES, you read that right, what do you think bodily mutilation is ?

[Mr. Romance]

interesting...

Mr. Romance

[Funbrunette]

Originally Posted by JFK

YES, you read that right, what do you think bodily mutilation is ?

OMG! That is mutilation!

[Got Porn?]

I am circumcised and am glad that I don't have foreskin... The same goes for everyone I know that is circumcised, but everyone I know that has forskin is happy that they have it.

But if its down it should be done when the boy is still an infant not 8. That's just fucked up.

[BoyAlley]

Uncircumcisced penis is NASTY. N A S T Y.

Sucking on an uncut cock is like trying to eat a twinkie without taking it out of its wrapper first.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Uncircumcisced penis is NASTY. N A S T Y.

Sucking on an uncut cock is like trying to eat a twinkie without taking it out of its wrapper first.

there is nothing wrong with an Uncircumcisced penis, you need to bathe every once in a while to keep it clean. Stop picking up such Dirty sluts, then perhaps you may enjoy playing with the "wrapper"

[iwantchixx]

people are born with foreskin. it's there for a reason.

Get over it

You shouldnt be sucking dicks any ways.

So stop complaining

[czarina]

We had my son done, My husband is done, and I like it that way. Much cleaner look.

[BoyAlley]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

Get over it

You shouldnt be sucking dicks any ways.

So stop complaining

WTF is a fag supposed to do if not suck upon the penis?

[Penthouse Tony]

if the boy ends up having it done i hope he knocked out for days

[Syl]

Both of my sons were done as infants. I cried for both of them because it looked so horribly painful. I really don't know which way is better, but if I hadn't done it while they were babies I know I could not have had it done now that they are older.

[jennym]

The child's mother wants him circumcised to prevent recurring, painful inflammation he has had 5 times in the last year. She says the boy cries and begs her to help him. If the circumcision will help that then dad needs to STFU.

[Gina]

The foreskin is the only part of the body anyone would consider amputating to prevent swelling or infection. Women who get infections "down there" do not ever have anything removed. No one even suggests it. No matter what kind of infection I got, if they told me they could treat it by removing parts of my genitals, I'd take a pass and seek other treatments.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by jennym

The child's mother wants him circumcised to prevent recurring, painful inflammation he has had 5 times in the last year. She says the boy cries and begs her to help him. If the circumcision will help that then dad needs to STFU.

Yep, simple case really:

"Dr. David Hatch, a pediatric urologist who testified, said he performs 250 circumcisions a year, including about 20 on boys between the ages of 5 and 10.

Hatch testified his own three sons are uncircumcised because he does not think it is normally medically necessary. But he said he would recommend circumcision for a son with a history of recurring inflammation or infection."

In other words, if the kid has a medical condition that circumcision will cure, he should get cut. If not, then he shouldn't.

[Furious_Female]

Circumcision is wrong I grew up in the 80s and thought it was "normal" but now I know that it's just terrible. It's like cutting off their eyelid. The "head" is a gland.

People that do it for religious reasons, I wonder... why would it please God to alter his creation?

Circumcision should be outlawed, unless they make it legal to amputate parent's heads when that child is 18.

Personally, I'm against it... if I have boys and they choose to have it done when they're adults, that's their choice. Not mine.

I won't even comment on female circumcision. That's just... ugh.

[american pervert]

foreskins are icky!

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

people are born with foreskin. it's there for a reason.

I was born with an appendix but it proved to be useless.

Anyway, it's a personal thing. Neither way is right or wrong... it's a choice that will likely have no negative or positive impact on anything really. So any of us fighting about it is quite rather useless.

If it's for a medical reason, then there will now be a positive impact to having it done.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by jennym

The child's mother wants him circumcised to prevent recurring, painful inflammation he has had 5 times in the last year. She says the boy cries and begs her to help him. If the circumcision will help that then dad needs to STFU.

How about trying to keep it clean in the first place, he probably has a yeast infection or something similar, that could be prevented with regular cleansing

[acctman]

who cares Circumcise that fucker... he'll thank them later. i'm not homo or anything (not that there is anything wrong with being) but they're reason health ones to get Circumcised... plus the chicks will like Circumcised better.

[Big John]

Only in America are people both vain and stupid enough to consider circumcision acceptable for no reason other than the above i.e. vanity and ignorance. The rest of the civilised world either has religion as a (albeit poor) excuse or regards it as what it is - mutilation.

There are rare instances where it is needed for medical reasons, however even this case is far from clear cut (no pun intended) and as someone said is very possibly a simple case of bad hygeine. It's VERY easy to stay clean and infection free when uncircumcised unless the foreskin genuinely is far too tight.

Oh and for what it's worth - educated 'chicks' dig uncut cocks too. Go to just about any other civilised country and you'd realise that.

[american pervert]

Originally Posted by Big John

Only in America are people both vain and stupid enough to consider circumcision acceptable for no reason other than the above i.e. vanity and ignorance. The rest of the civilised world either has religion as a (albeit poor) excuse or regards it as what it is - mutilation.

wow! thats a load of shit.. lots of ppl also have this fear of their's kids cocks getting infected in america.. so its not just vanity or ignorance.. stop hating on america

[Big John]

Originally Posted by american perv

wow! thats a load of shit.. lots of ppl also have this fear of their's kids cocks getting infected in america.. so its not just vanity or ignorance.. stop hating on america

Thank you for proving the point. FAR too fucking dumb.

[Got Porn?]

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Sucking on an uncut cock is like trying to eat a twinkie without taking it out of its wrapper first.

That's the best analogue I've heard all year

[american pervert]

Originally Posted by Big John

Thank you for proving the point. FAR too fucking dumb.

so uncircumsized cocks NEVER EVER get infected or all nasty and shit?? oh ok, go suck and uncut dick

Circumcision -- Medical Pros and Cons

Here the potential medical advantages and disadvantages of circumcision are set forth. The surgical procedure itself is discussed elsewhere.

What has been the medical view of circumcision?

In 1975 the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) stated in no uncertain terms that "there is no absolute medical indication for routine circumcision of the newborn." And in 1983 the AAP and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) restated this position.

What is the anatomy of the penis?

The penis is a cylindrical shaft with a rounded tip. The rounded tip is called the glans. There is a groove (termed the coronal sulcus) between the shaft and the glans of the penis. The fold of skin that covers the glans is the foreskin (the prepuce).

What is a retractable foreskin?

A retractable foreskin is one that can be pulled back behind the groove of the coronal sulcus to expose the glans.

What is newborn circumcision?

Newborn circumcision consists of removal of the foreskin -- the foreskin is resected to near the coronal sulcus -- in the newborn period (before the age of 2 months).

Incidentally, the Latin "circum-" means around (or about). Circumcision is a cutting around.

What is the status of the foreskin at birth?

Only about 1 in every 20 boys is born with a retractable foreskin. This reflects the fact that the histologic (tissue) development of the foreskin is usually not complete at birth.

The foreskin is thus not fully separable from the glans in about 96% of newborn boys. By 1 year of age, the foreskin can be retracted in 50% of boys and by 3 years, the foreskin can be retracted in 80% to 90% of uncircumcised boys.

What does this have to do with circumcision?

It means that the inability to retract the foreskin at birth and in infancy is normal and does not constitute a medical reason for a circumcision.

What is phimosis?

Phimosis is a medical indication for circumcision. It is defined as "stenosis of the preputial ring with resultant inability to retract a fully differentiated foreskin." In other words, phimosis is present if the foreskin cannot be retracted at an age when it should normally be retractable.

How is phimosis treated?

Phimosis can be treated by circumcision or by surgical enlargement of the phimotic ring, the ring of tissue causing the phimosis.

What is paraphimosis?

Paraphimosis occurs when the foreskin once retracted cannot return to its original location. The foreskin is trapped behind the groove of the coronal sulcus. Paraphimosis causes blood to pool in the veins behind the entrapment which induces swelling. The swelling leads to severe pain in the penis and makes it impossible to return the foreskin manually to its original location.

How is paraphimosis treated?

The foreskin, after lubrication, can sometimes be reduced. However, this works only if the paraphimosis is discovered very early. Because of the pain, the child has to have a short-acting general anesthetic or heavy sedation. Paraphimosis may be treated by circumcision.

What is balanoposthitis?

Balanitis is inflammation of the glans while posthitis is inflammation of the foreskin. Balanitis and posthitis generally occur together as balanoposthitis: inflammation of both the glans and foreskin.

What if an uncircumcised boy has phimosis, paraphimosis, or balanoposthitis?

Boys who are not circumcised as newborns may later have circumcision for the treatment of phimosis, paraphimosis, or balanoposthitis. When done after the newborn period, circumcision is considerably more complicated.

What is meatitis?

Meatitis is inflammation of the opening (the meatus) of the penis. This opening is formally called the external urethral meatus.

What is the relationship between circumcision and meatitis?

Meatitis is more common in boys who have been circumcised. This stands to reason since, in circumcised boys the urethral meatus is more exposed and likely to be chaffed than in boys that were not circumcised. There is no evidence that meatitis leads to narrowing (stenosis) of the urethral meatus or to other serious problems.

Is it easier to care for the penis circumcised or uncircumsised?

The circumsised penis is generally easier to keep clean. An uncircumcised boy should be taught to clean his penis with care. Cleaning of the penis is done by gently, not forcibly, retracting the foreskin. The foreskin should be retracted only to the point where resistance is met. Full retraction of the foreskin may not be possible until the age of 3 or more.

What is the relationship between circumcision and urinary tract infections?

The incidence of urinary tract infections in male infants appears to be lower when circumcision is done in the newborn period. It was first reported in 1982 that males predominate among infants with urinary tract infections (whereas females predominate later in life) and that about 95% of the infected infant boys had not been circumcised. Studies in US Army hospitals involving more than 200,000 infant boys confirmed greater than a tenfold increase in urinary tract infections in uncircumcised male infants compared to those who had been circumcised.

What might this relationship between circumcision and urinary tract infections mean?

Circumcision prevents the growth of bacteria under the foreskin and this, in turn, protects male infants against urinary tract infection. The high incidence of urinary tract infections in uncircumcised boys has also been found to be accompanied by an increased incidence of other significant infections such as bacteremia (bacterial infection of the bloodstream) and meningitis (infection of the covering of the brain). The protective effect of circumcision may thus extend to a number of infectious diseases.

What is the relationship between circumcision and sexually transmitted diseases?

There is a higher risk of gonorrhea and inflammation of the urethra (the tube that carries the urine from the bladder outside) in uncircumcised men. It has also been reported that other sexually transmitted diseases (such as chancroid, syphilis, human papillomavirus, and herpes simplex virus type 2 infection) are more frequent in uncircumcised men.

What might this connection between circumcision and sexually transmitted diseases mean?

Circumcision prevents the growth under the foreskin of the agents that cause sexually transmitted diseases. Removal of the foreskin may provide some measure of protection from these diseases to males and their mates.

What is the correlation between sexually transmitted diseases and cancer of the cervix?

There is a strong connection between sexually transmitted diseases and cancer of the cervix. Human papillomavirus types 16 and 18 are strongly associated with cancer of the cervix. Herpes simplex virus type 2 has also been associated with cervical cancer.

The strongest predisposing factors in cervical cancer are a history of intercourse at an early age and multiple sexual partners. Cervical cancer is virtually unknown in nuns and virgins.

What might this relationship between lack of circumcision and cervical cancer mean?

Circumcision protects the mate from cancer of the cervix by removing the foreskin which harbors sexually transmitted viruses that promote this common form of female cancer.

What is the relationship between circumcision and cancer of the penis?

The predicted lifetime risk of cancer of the penis in an uncircumcised man is 1 in 600 in the US. Cancer of the penis carries a mortality rate as high as 25%. This cancer occurs almost exclusively in uncircumcised men. In five major research studies, no man who had been circumcised as a newborn developed cancer of the penis. Human papillomavirus types 16 and 18, which are sexually transmitted, are involved in cancer of the penis.

[american pervert]

BigJohn = Troll

[Shaft_1971]

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Uncircumcisced penis is NASTY. N A S T Y.

Sucking on an uncut cock is like trying to eat a twinkie without taking it out of its wrapper first.

All you have to do is take the extra few seconds to remove the penis from the rapper....then you can have yourself a fresh twinkie

[HpicAnn]

Circumcision is EXTREMELY NECESSARY!

[he-fox]

Circumcision sucks

[LadyMischief]

Personally I left the decision up to my son and left him uncircumsiczed. Circumcision removes extremely important nerve endings, and the proceedure can rob a person of up to 60% of their sensitivity right off the bat. The key is to teach the kids how to keep themselves clean. When they are old enough to make the decision, they can get circumcised easily enough on their own.. I know lots of guys who have done it as adults and they say the only issues they had were a few days of soreness.

I think it should up to the parent to decide.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Shaft_1971

All you have to do is take the extra few seconds to remove the penis from the rapper....then you can have yourself a fresh twinkie

Buon Apetite

[JD]

Originally Posted by american perv

so uncircumsized cocks NEVER EVER get infected or all nasty and shit?? oh ok, go suck and uncut dick

Circumcision -- Medical Pros and Cons

Here the potential medical advantages and disadvantages of circumcision are set forth. The surgical procedure itself is discussed elsewhere.

What has been the medical view of circumcision?

In 1975 the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) stated in no uncertain terms that "there is no absolute medical indication for routine circumcision of the newborn." And in 1983 the AAP and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) restated this position.

What is the anatomy of the penis?

The penis is a cylindrical shaft with a rounded tip. The rounded tip is called the glans. There is a groove (termed the coronal sulcus) between the shaft and the glans of the penis. The fold of skin that covers the glans is the foreskin (the prepuce).

What is a retractable foreskin?

A retractable foreskin is one that can be pulled back behind the groove of the coronal sulcus to expose the glans.

What is newborn circumcision?

Newborn circumcision consists of removal of the foreskin -- the foreskin is resected to near the coronal sulcus -- in the newborn period (before the age of 2 months).

Incidentally, the Latin "circum-" means around (or about). Circumcision is a cutting around.

What is the status of the foreskin at birth?

Only about 1 in every 20 boys is born with a retractable foreskin. This reflects the fact that the histologic (tissue) development of the foreskin is usually not complete at birth.

The foreskin is thus not fully separable from the glans in about 96% of newborn boys. By 1 year of age, the foreskin can be retracted in 50% of boys and by 3 years, the foreskin can be retracted in 80% to 90% of uncircumcised boys.

What does this have to do with circumcision?

It means that the inability to retract the foreskin at birth and in infancy is normal and does not constitute a medical reason for a circumcision.

What is phimosis?

Phimosis is a medical indication for circumcision. It is defined as "stenosis of the preputial ring with resultant inability to retract a fully differentiated foreskin." In other words, phimosis is present if the foreskin cannot be retracted at an age when it should normally be retractable.

How is phimosis treated?

Phimosis can be treated by circumcision or by surgical enlargement of the phimotic ring, the ring of tissue causing the phimosis.

What is paraphimosis?

Paraphimosis occurs when the foreskin once retracted cannot return to its original location. The foreskin is trapped behind the groove of the coronal sulcus. Paraphimosis causes blood to pool in the veins behind the entrapment which induces swelling. The swelling leads to severe pain in the penis and makes it impossible to return the foreskin manually to its original location.

How is paraphimosis treated?

The foreskin, after lubrication, can sometimes be reduced. However, this works only if the paraphimosis is discovered very early. Because of the pain, the child has to have a short-acting general anesthetic or heavy sedation. Paraphimosis may be treated by circumcision.

What is balanoposthitis?

Balanitis is inflammation of the glans while posthitis is inflammation of the foreskin. Balanitis and posthitis generally occur together as balanoposthitis: inflammation of both the glans and foreskin.

What if an uncircumcised boy has phimosis, paraphimosis, or balanoposthitis?

Boys who are not circumcised as newborns may later have circumcision for the treatment of phimosis, paraphimosis, or balanoposthitis. When done after the newborn period, circumcision is considerably more complicated.

What is meatitis?

Meatitis is inflammation of the opening (the meatus) of the penis. This opening is formally called the external urethral meatus.

What is the relationship between circumcision and meatitis?

Meatitis is more common in boys who have been circumcised. This stands to reason since, in circumcised boys the urethral meatus is more exposed and likely to be chaffed than in boys that were not circumcised. There is no evidence that meatitis leads to narrowing (stenosis) of the urethral meatus or to other serious problems.

Is it easier to care for the penis circumcised or uncircumsised?

The circumsised penis is generally easier to keep clean. An uncircumcised boy should be taught to clean his penis with care. Cleaning of the penis is done by gently, not forcibly, retracting the foreskin. The foreskin should be retracted only to the point where resistance is met. Full retraction of the foreskin may not be possible until the age of 3 or more.

What is the relationship between circumcision and urinary tract infections?

The incidence of urinary tract infections in male infants appears to be lower when circumcision is done in the newborn period. It was first reported in 1982 that males predominate among infants with urinary tract infections (whereas females predominate later in life) and that about 95% of the infected infant boys had not been circumcised. Studies in US Army hospitals involving more than 200,000 infant boys confirmed greater than a tenfold increase in urinary tract infections in uncircumcised male infants compared to those who had been circumcised.

What might this relationship between circumcision and urinary tract infections mean?

Circumcision prevents the growth of bacteria under the foreskin and this, in turn, protects male infants against urinary tract infection. The high incidence of urinary tract infections in uncircumcised boys has also been found to be accompanied by an increased incidence of other significant infections such as bacteremia (bacterial infection of the bloodstream) and meningitis (infection of the covering of the brain). The protective effect of circumcision may thus extend to a number of infectious diseases.

What is the relationship between circumcision and sexually transmitted diseases?

There is a higher risk of gonorrhea and inflammation of the urethra (the tube that carries the urine from the bladder outside) in uncircumcised men. It has also been reported that other sexually transmitted diseases (such as chancroid, syphilis, human papillomavirus, and herpes simplex virus type 2 infection) are more frequent in uncircumcised men.

What might this connection between circumcision and sexually transmitted diseases mean?

Circumcision prevents the growth under the foreskin of the agents that cause sexually transmitted diseases. Removal of the foreskin may provide some measure of protection from these diseases to males and their mates.

What is the correlation between sexually transmitted diseases and cancer of the cervix?

There is a strong connection between sexually transmitted diseases and cancer of the cervix. Human papillomavirus types 16 and 18 are strongly associated with cancer of the cervix. Herpes simplex virus type 2 has also been associated with cervical cancer.

The strongest predisposing factors in cervical cancer are a history of intercourse at an early age and multiple sexual partners. Cervical cancer is virtually unknown in nuns and virgins.

What might this relationship between lack of circumcision and cervical cancer mean?

Circumcision protects the mate from cancer of the cervix by removing the foreskin which harbors sexually transmitted viruses that promote this common form of female cancer.

What is the relationship between circumcision and cancer of the penis?

The predicted lifetime risk of cancer of the penis in an uncircumcised man is 1 in 600 in the US. Cancer of the penis carries a mortality rate as high as 25%. This cancer occurs almost exclusively in uncircumcised men. In five major research studies, no man who had been circumcised as a newborn developed cancer of the penis. Human papillomavirus types 16 and 18, which are sexually transmitted, are involved in cancer of the penis.

so in lamans terms, CUT THAT SHIT OFF! If I was uncut, I'd go and do it without a second thought.

[dynastoned]

an 8 year old, no. a new born child, yes.

[rowan]

lol, this is probably the third or fourth circumcision thread I've seen on GFY since I registered; it is one topic that is GUARANTEED to divide people.

(...I'm staying out of it...)

[NoCarrier]

IF I COULD DO IT, I'D SUE THE FUCKING DOCTOR THAT CIRCUMCISED ME AND KILLED EVEN MORE SENSATION.

[G-Rotica]

The little General wears a helmet, not a hood.

[BluewireAngie]

I'll go for circumcision!

[JFK]

Originally Posted by rowan

lol, this is probably the third or fourth circumcision thread I've seen on GFY since I registered; it is one topic that is GUARANTEED to divide people.

(...I'm staying out of it...)

I know its a recurring topic, just posted it again because of the Court case

[2HousePlague]

So long as sex, and by extension SEX ORGANS are a part of religious dogma and its rituals, circumcision will remain an unsettled controversy. Those who advocate for circumcision on medical grounds circumstantially align themselves with the conservative end of the opinion spectrum. And those who oppose it are easily dismissed as hippie sex fiends ("body purists"). I find it indescribably ironic (and FUNNY) that this discussion is happening on GFY --

2hp

[AtlantisCash]

i'm glad to be circumcised, there is no problem, it works very well lol

[AtlantisCash]

btw. i was 9 years old when i circumcised

[Shok]

Originally Posted by NoCarrier

IF I COULD DO IT, I'D SUE THE FUCKING DOCTOR THAT CIRCUMCISED ME AND KILLED EVEN MORE SENSATION.

thats retarded speculation.

They were talking about this on the radio this morning and got into a discussion and actually had a few callers call in about how they were circumsized in their 20's. They actually report much more sensation than before.

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by G-Rotica

The little General wears a helmet, not a hood.

amen

[madawgz]

an eight year old kid....wtf :\

[JFK]

Originally Posted by madawgz

an eight year old kid....wtf :\

Yeah , how would you like to get strapped down and have part of your dick cut off ??

[Mighty Chin]

Circumsized and loving it.

[acctman]

its funny how the people against probably didn't go to the link and only 1 person has provide the true reasoning for it.

The fucking kid is in pain 5 times a month? it has nothing to do with vanity at this point if circumcising fixes and stops the pain why not let him. you guys need to READ before commenting. just because you have an ugly looking penis with extra skin doesn't make it right.

[NoCarrier]

Originally Posted by Shok

thats retarded speculation.

They were talking about this on the radio this morning and got into a discussion and actually had a few callers call in about how they were circumsized in their 20's. They actually report much more sensation than before.

You actually believe dumbass rednecks calling on the radio?

nigga, please.

Does circumcision affect a man?s sexual function and pleasure?

http://www.circinfo.org/parents.html

Circumcision removes complex tissue containing thousands of highly specialised fine touch receptors and nerve fibres. The loss of sexual sensitivity is proportional to the amount of foreskin removed; a tight circumcision that prevents movement of the foreskin during intercourse and other sexual activity is particularly damaging. Men circumcised as infants may be unaware of this, but many men circumcised as adults report a definite loss of feeling and versatility.