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CheeseFrog 05-17-2006 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta
Another greatly documented study is here

It addresses the engine parts, the 10' lift phenomena, the light poles and so on ....

Makes you wonder ... if you wish to...

It wasn't a plane, it was a missile that hit the Pentagon. Get it right!:1orglaugh

CheeseFrog 05-17-2006 03:50 PM

ROFL I love these dumbass conspiracy theorists. First they were all "It was a missile, it was a missile, it was a missile!" Then when evidence starts propogating, such as airplane parts, lack of explosive residue, eye witness reports... they start to change their tune to "Ok, it wasn't a missile, but it wasn't a 757!" :1orglaugh

directfiesta 05-17-2006 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CheeseFrog
ROFL I love these dumbass conspiracy theorists. First they were all "It was a missile, it was a missile, it was a missile!" Then when evidence starts propogating, such as airplane parts, lack of explosive residue, eye witness reports... they start to change their tune to "Ok, it wasn't a missile, but it wasn't a 757!" :1orglaugh

Please quote .... Obviously, your name calling makes you a very smart person ... :2 cents:
I again ask you or Warchild to post a quote of me saying it was a missile ... don't be shy... you are smart enough, aren't you?

Anna_O 05-17-2006 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MattO

PLEASE read this one...

QuaWee 05-17-2006 03:57 PM

too many sheeps in here. the gov't says something, so it must me true

Pleasurepays 05-17-2006 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta
Another greatly documented study is here

It addresses the engine parts, the 10' lift phenomena, the light poles and so on ....

Makes you wonder ... if you wish to...


"if you wish to".... interesting choice of words.

if you were the one who hijacked the plane and flew it into the pentagon yourself, your last words would be "bush lied, the government is lying... its all a conspiracy, don't believe everyone when they say i really did this and bush is a prick"

the fact is... no matter what anyone says, your mind was made up BEFORE it even happened. everything else is just theater for you to affirm your anger.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Pleasurepays 05-17-2006 04:00 PM

and the only way a small military plane could make it through all rings of heavily fortified building like the pentagon is if it was traveling at mach 1 and made of depleted uranium. it does not have the mass and cannot produce the kenetic energy necessary to make it.

broke 05-17-2006 04:00 PM

Regardless of one's views on the matter - The Pentagon Building Performance Report sure is an interesting read.

directfiesta 05-17-2006 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
the fact is... no matter what anyone says, your mind was made up BEFORE it even happened. everything else is just theater for you to affirm your anger.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

:eek2

A bit like Americans wanted revenge by invading the responsable culprit of 9/11:

SADDAM ... :winkwink:

Pleasurepays 05-17-2006 04:03 PM

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh


http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/camera1b.gif

Pleasurepays 05-17-2006 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta
:eek2

A bit like Americans wanted revenge by invading the responsable culprit of 9/11:

SADDAM ... :winkwink:

no, americans on average just agreed that upity muslims needed a smack down.

CheeseFrog 05-17-2006 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta
Please quote .... Obviously, your name calling makes you a very smart person ... :2 cents:
I again ask you or Warchild to post a quote of me saying it was a missile ... don't be shy... you are smart enough, aren't you?

Dicksniff, you like to post links that support your argument like this one you posted earlier:

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/pentagon/video.html

Go to that page and it supports your missile theory. If you don't want people to think that you support the missile theory, hmm here's an idea: Howabout you don't post links about it trying to support your argument? Wow, what a concept! :1orglaugh

Pleasurepays 05-17-2006 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta
:eek2

A bit like Americans wanted revenge by invading the responsable culprit of 9/11:

SADDAM ... :winkwink:

i can't talk anymore... too busy reading all this "non-evidence"

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Pleasurepays 05-17-2006 04:08 PM

damn physics departments at the nations top universities are in on the "cover up" too. :(

http://www.innovations-report.de/htm...cht-12739.html

CheeseFrog 05-17-2006 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by QuaWee
too many sheeps in here. the gov't says something, so it must me true

Government didn't have to say anything. The pictures themselves told the story. Besides, the government had no motive to strike the Pentagon. The WTC was already hit... If the govt were behind the Pentagon attack, are you saying that they heard about the WTC attack and within the span of a few short minutes they came up with the brilliant idea to also hit the Pentagon too? So the planned out the entire coverup and sent in a missile or some other military plane to kamikaze into the Pentagon and coordinated with local law enforcement and fire departments to make it seem like a 757 struck? Honestly, they put all that shit together on the morning of 9/11 as soon as they heard of the WTC attack?

directfiesta 05-17-2006 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CheeseFrog
Dicksniff, you like to post links that support your argument like this one you posted earlier:

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/pentagon/video.html

Go to that page and it supports your missile theory. If you don't want people to think that you support the missile theory, hmm here's an idea: Howabout you don't post links about it trying to support your argument? Wow, what a concept! :1orglaugh

:thumbsup for letting go the name calling ... :1orglaugh

That link that I posted was asking : what new frames did we get yesterday.... since those were posted a while ago .... 5 frames ...

I also posted a link to a military plane .... Contrary to you, I am opened to all possibilities ...

But this explanation of this admin " doesn't fly " ( no pun intended ).

QuaWee 05-17-2006 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CheeseFrog
Government didn't have to say anything. The pictures themselves told the story. Besides, the government had no motive to strike the Pentagon. The WTC was already hit... If the govt were behind the Pentagon attack, are you saying that they heard about the WTC attack and within the span of a few short minutes they came up with the brilliant idea to also hit the Pentagon too? So the planned out the entire coverup and sent in a missile or some other military plane to kamikaze into the Pentagon and coordinated with local law enforcement and fire departments to make it seem like a 757 struck? Honestly, they put all that shit together on the morning of 9/11 as soon as they heard of the WTC attack?

How do you know if the gov't didn't have a motive? Just because you don't know doesn't mean it doesnt exist.

AdultInsider Cloner 05-17-2006 04:13 PM

It was me

directfiesta 05-17-2006 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
i can't talk anymore... too busy reading all this "non-evidence"

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Read that whole thread... take note of johnlear
point...

Now, in which way that thread has more value then this one ?

BradM 05-17-2006 04:15 PM

Conspiracy. That was a missile.

Pleasurepays 05-17-2006 04:15 PM

some idiot phsicist from Purdue Universities point of view who studied the crash:

"In layman's terms the crash dynamics worked like so: A large hollow tube, with a belly full of luggage, a passenger bay with 60 people, and wings full of fuel smashed into the side of an almost solid object while moving at a tremendous speed (somewhere around 350-400mph). When the 225,000lb+ plane hit, it smashed apart with such force from the crash that it became like one massive column of liquid (no, the plane didn't melt or turn into liquid, it just acted like one physically - mountainslides act the same way, a million tons of rock acts like a large field of liquid during a landslide even if no water is present). All the small parts, luggage, people, seats, and all the tens of thousands of pounds of fuel acting like a massive river came crashing into the wall of the Pentagon. This force burst through the outside wall and flowed through the inside to the next wall, and momentum carried this mass until it finally ran out of inertia at the 3rd ring."

directfiesta 05-17-2006 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by QuaWee
How do you know if the gov't didn't have a motive? Just because you don't know doesn't mean it doesnt exist.

Gov's never have an agenda ... They work for the people !!!!

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The Reichstag fire, a pivotal event in the establishment of Nazi Germany, began at 9:14 PM on the night of February 27, 1933, when a Berlin fire station received an alarm that the Reichstag building, assembly location of the German Parliament, was ablaze. The fire seemed to have been started in several places, and by the time the police and firemen arrived a huge explosion had set the main Chamber of Deputies in flames. Looking for clues, the police quickly found Marinus van der Lubbe, shirtless, inside the building. Van der Lubbe was a Dutch insurrectionary council communist and unemployed bricklayer who had recently arrived in Germany.

Adolf Hitler and Hermann Göring arrived soon after, and, when they were shown van der Lubbe, Göring immediately declared the fire was set by the Communists and had the party leaders arrested. Hitler took advantage of the situation to declare a state of emergency and encouraged aging president Paul von Hindenburg to sign the Reichstag Fire Decree, suspending the basic rights provisions of the Weimar constitution.

The Nazi leaders were determined to demonstrate the Reichstag Fire was a deed of the Comintern, and in early March 1933, three men were arrested who were to play pivotal roles during the Leipzig Trial, known also as "Reichstag Fire Trial," namely three Bulgarians: Georgi Dimitrov, Vasil Tanev and Blagoi Popov. The Bulgarians were known to the Prussian police as senior Comintern operatives, but the police had no idea of how senior they were. Dimitrov was in charge of all Comintern operations in Western Europe.

Communist Party leadership is acquitted

The Leipzig Trial took part from September 21 to December 23, 1933, and was presided over by judges from the old German Imperial Court, called the Reichsgericht. The Leipzig Trial was widely publicized and was broadcast on the radio. It was expected the court would find the Communists guilty on all counts and approve the repression and terror exercised by the Nazis against all opposition forces in the country. It was clear the first time Georgi Dimitrov spoke that would not happen. Dimitrov had given up his right to a court appointed lawyer and defended himself successfully. He proved his innocence and the innocence of his Communist comrades and was set free. In addition, he presented evidence that the organizers of the fire were senior members of the Nazi Party.

Hitler was furious with the outcome of this trial. He decreed that henceforth treason ? among many other offenses ? would only be tried by a newly established Volksgerichtshof (People's Court) which later became infamous for the enormous number of death sentences it handed down while led by Roland Freisler.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

Come on ... next, you are going to tell me that Iraq has WMD !!!!!

QuaWee 05-17-2006 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultInsider Cloner
It was me

:1orglaugh

CheeseFrog 05-17-2006 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta
Gov's never have an agenda ... They work for the people !!!!

Exactly! And they're also organized enough to orchestrate one of the largest coverups in history -- all within the span of a few minutes! :1orglaugh I think you're finally coming to your senses :)

Pleasurepays 05-17-2006 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta
I am opened to all possibilities ...

Quote:

But this explanation of this admin " doesn't fly " ( no pun intended ).

you're objective and balanced and are open to any explanation as usual.... as long as the explanation is that bush is an idiot and america is full of retards.

god forbid, facts might get in the way. go worry about global warming... canada is melting.

OzMan 05-17-2006 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck
So wait...you believe the missile theory.

Uhm so 1: the missile exploded and caused huge damage to the building but at the same time you are saying it left the building through that hole? Wait..im confused. Tell me what that hole is then.

There are so many "facts" from both sides that the details don't add up either way you go.

If it was a jet lots of things don't make sense and if it wasn't then the scale and complexity of the cover up/conspiracy seems hard to pull off.

From the video and hole, a missile seems much likelier sizewize than a passenger jet anyhow.

directfiesta 05-17-2006 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
go worry about global warming... canada is melting.

We were, till Harper got elected ...

But global warming is not the doing of a single country ...

Wait, there is other countries .... shit.

CheeseFrog 05-17-2006 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OzMan
From the video and hole, a missile seems much likelier sizewize than a passenger jet anyhow.

Except for the fact that no explosive residue was ever found. And the fact that the passengers were talking on phones to their loved ones right before the crash telling them what was transpiring. Kinda hard to stuff passengers into a missile, isn't it? :)

Phoenix 05-17-2006 04:48 PM

it was a missile...why cry...your governement did it for you.
they needed to go to war, they need the oil

thank them...but just be aware

nico-t 05-17-2006 04:53 PM

right after the 'attack' there were witnesses saying that it wasnt a plane.

days after the attack these witnesses were nowhere to be found.

WarChild 05-17-2006 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix
it was a missile...why cry...your governement did it for you.
they needed to go to war, they need the oil

thank them...but just be aware

You realize the cost of war and reconstruction for outweighs the cost of simply buying the equivalent crude on the open market, right? I did the calculation a few months back in a post, but esentially of Iraq was to pump out crude at it's MAXIUM PRE Gulf War 1 levels, it would take something like 25 years to offset the cost of war in oil. Saying that this war was about "stealing oil" is just the extreme left version of the right's "WMD experience". Try not to be so simple, Simon.

Clearly the war in Iraq was mostly about getting a foot hold in the middle east. Freedom to run operations at will. It's about empire building, and the whole nine yards. Do you think an explosion at the Pentagon was necessary to lead up that war? The fact is that MOST people are stupid. Especially when you get them together in large groups. Americans, Canadians, Russians, Germans, etc etc. It's easy for the powerful to lead the masses, because the masses are stupid.

Your missile theory is simly that, a theory. No credible evidence backs it up. While experts continue to tell us that yes a plane would cause that sort of damage, etc etc, Internet retards here and there tell us differently. It should be a no brainer as to who's word to believe if like most of us you don't have a degree in advanced physics or aero dynamics.

directfiesta 05-17-2006 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CheeseFrog
Except for the fact that no explosive residue was ever found.

Did they check for that. If so, you are a brilliant person, so you could post a link to backup your educated statement ...

directfiesta 05-17-2006 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild
You realize the cost of war and reconstruction for outweighs the cost of simply buying the equivalent crude on the open market, right? I did the calculation a few months back in a post, but esentially of Iraq was to pump out crude at it's MAXIUM PRE Gulf War 1 levels, it would take something like 25 years to offset the cost of war in oil. Saying that this war was about "stealing oil" is just the extreme left version of the right's "WMD experience". Try not to be so simple, Simon.

Clearly the war in Iraq was mostly about getting a foot hold in the middle east. Freedom to run operations at will. It's about empire building, and the whole nine yards. Do you think an explosion at the Pentagon was necessary to lead up that war? The fact is that MOST people are stupid. Especially when you get them together in large groups. Americans, Canadians, Russians, Germans, etc etc. It's easy for the powerful to lead the masses, because the masses are stupid.

Your missile theory is simly that, a theory. No credible evidence backs it up. While experts continue to tell us that yes a plane would cause that sort of damage, etc etc, Internet retards here and there tell us differently. It should be a no brainer as to who's word to believe if like most of us you don't have a degree in advanced physics or aero dynamics.


Who said geniuses were running the USA ?

Quagmire 05-17-2006 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck
Couldve been something else. I thought i read landing gear. Anyway, that was not the point i was trying to make.

No, I hear you on that, but at the same time I was just making a point that there is so much dis-information out there, that the real truth is buried in the bullshit.

The stories being passed off as the truth are only partially true, its like any other 'news' story. There is always a spin. And I don't mean about whether or not planes slammed into buildings and killed many innocent people. I mean about who knew what before hand and who is covering their ass now because they didn't do their job.

royaleWITHcheese 05-17-2006 06:13 PM

Twas a missile

TreasureBucks 05-17-2006 06:20 PM

This just in... anit-porn activists have identified what the actual object was, and are planning to take action.....

http://www.steamywindows.co.uk/images/200/31120FC.gif

Matt_WildCash 05-17-2006 06:38 PM

I'm not 100% sure on the Pentagon and if it was a plan/missile or whatever and nobody is, not even infowars.com.

There is a really cool video of a F15 slamming into a concreate wall at huge speed, they were testing the protective exterior wall of a Nuke power plant. To test they flew the plane into a test concreate similar to that of the nuke power plant. I can tell you that Plane disappeared into tiny tiny pieces.

I find it very disturbing all the shit that is going on with the US govenment though. They are certainly capable of doing anything they freaking want too these days. And after 9/11 its amazing how fast people just freely gave away there rights and protections under the law.

Scootermuze 05-17-2006 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck
Supposedly? What planet you live on? They found PLENTY of pieces. In and around the buildings. Search with google. Noone is hiding it from you, although you probably dont want to hear that. IN and AROUND the building. So how did it get there? Big pieces. Not something one person can quickly plant there.

I dont know how big the hole was. But its CLEARLY reconstructed how most of the plane disintegrates whne hitting the building. Its not rocket science. And once again, exact explanation is out there. Look for it. Once again, noone is hiding it for you. Its even shown on discovery channel.

A plane with that speed with that much fuel on board hitting a building like the Pentagon will 95% disintegrate within seconds.

I didn't say it wasn't a plane...

Gee.. I wonder what planet these guys are from...:

Wings that should have been sheared off by the impact are entirely absent. There is also substantial evidence of debris from a much smaller jet-powered aircraft inside the building. We conclude with a high degree of certainty that no Boeing 757 struck the building. We also conclude with a substantial degree of certainty that a smaller, single-engined aircraft, roughly the size and shape of an F-16, did, in fact, strike the building.

A. K. Dewdney, mathematician and computer scientist..
G. W. Longspaugh, aerospace engineer..

Your little speel about a plane the size of a 757 totally disintegrating is a bit exaggerated.. Even if it could disintegrate, you don't think a plane that size would do more damage on impact than a 16' hole? After all.. you said it was traveling at 500 mph... Take a 6 ton engine and slam it into a building at 500 mph and see if it just disintegrates without any damage to the building it hit...

I'll make it easy for ya.. Put this plane through a 2 car garage door..

http://physics911.net/c-pentagon_montage.jpg

dv2 05-17-2006 07:05 PM

Hey believer's...would the U.S. government lie about anything at all?
Have they lied in the past few years about anything?
Does 1 large modern building implode into itself when a plane crashes into it? Does antoher one?
Has any superpower ever really been wrong?
Some people can see a boeing 757 in that video somehow and some people can't.
Maybe it's Iran? Let's wait and see who the superpower tells us it is and let's roll. It's unpatriotic and down right un-american to doubt one's own superpower.

pornpf69 05-17-2006 07:15 PM

of course it was a rocket....only americans belive that it was a plane!!


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