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Doctor Dre 05-17-2006 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by anarchy
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1968418

It's cause theres new frames that werent released... I get pissed off watching
the ignorance of news agencies

Their parent compagnise in teh coporation make so much from the wars ...

Phoenix 05-17-2006 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog
I would like to know why you seem to think he has a brother named Michael. Pretty closely guarded secret I guess. How come you were included in the circle of trust?


my BAD it is Marvin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_fa...spiracy_theory

mattz 05-17-2006 11:51 AM

im going to go with franck on this one

Phoenix 05-17-2006 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dv2
Phoenix...this is like being on the O'really factor at this point



id give up if i didnt actually care about people in general

directfiesta 05-17-2006 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan
the thing that i dont get is, with a place like the Pentagon wouldnt there be like 1000 cameras all around the compound, on the streets, everywhere around it?

i mean it is the fucking PENTAGON, and this is the best angle that they have? that just doest make sense to me.


Aint that amazing .... You go to renew your driver license and you will be " captured " by at least 20 cameras ....

No cameras on top of the building looking out ...

But Frank has an answer: the painted landing gear destroyed them all ....

directfiesta 05-17-2006 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog
Oh, so you actually believe this crap?

People believed that Iraq had WMD and could launch a biological attack within 15 minutes .... Didn't you believe that ?

So ...

dv2 05-17-2006 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix
id give up if i didnt actually care about people in general

Yeah..but it's getting pretty hard to give a damn about that 29%

baddog 05-17-2006 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix
my BAD it is Marvin


Okay, now that I have your attention, just where is your proof that there were ever dog sniffing dogs at the WTC, much less that Marvin had them removed?

Along that line, are you suggesting that airliners did not crash into the WTC? Are you suggesting that Marvin had them (the bomb sniffing dogs) removed so they would not be harmed when the airliners crashed into the WTC?

What exactly is your point? Do they have really good drugs where you live? How do space aliens fit into your scenario?

Phoenix 05-17-2006 12:03 PM

Between 1993 and 2000, Marvin Bush, President Bush's brother was a principal in a company that provided security for both The World Trade Center and United Airlines. According to an article by David Ray Griffin "from 1999 to January of 2002 their cousin Wirt Walker III was the CEO "[126] . According to its president CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down". This last statement has been used by some conspiracy theorists to say that the contract "expired" on September 11, 2001. Barbara Bush confirmed this theory in her book 'Reflections' also stating 9/11 was the day the contract expired. Mr. Bush was also a former director and now is an advisor to the board of directors to a firm HCC Insurance Holdings, Inc that had what it called a small participation in the World Trade Center property insurance coverage and some of the surrounding buildings. [127] Marvin Bush was on a subway under Wall Street when the attacks happened.

moving the gold out...i saw this movie..die hard 3

Phoenix 05-17-2006 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
Okay, now that I have your attention, just where is your proof that there were ever dog sniffing dogs at the WTC, much less that Marvin had them removed?

Along that line, are you suggesting that airliners did not crash into the WTC? Are you suggesting that Marvin had them (the bomb sniffing dogs) removed so they would not be harmed when the airliners crashed into the WTC?

What exactly is your point? Do they have really good drugs where you live? How do space aliens fit into your scenario?

you are becoming more then annoying..im not going to do research for you.

no bomb sniffing dogs at the WTC? are you fuckin for real?
the planes sure as shit hit the WTC

MetaMan 05-17-2006 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta
Aint that amazing .... You go to renew your driver license and you will be " captured " by at least 20 cameras ....

No cameras on top of the building looking out ...

But Frank has an answer: the painted landing gear destroyed them all ....


well there is no way in hell they wouldnt have the film backed up somewhere. i mean there had to be at least 100 cameras all around the pentagon at a single time, i mean it has to be a compound of some sorts, cameras would be everywhere.

Phoenix 05-17-2006 12:05 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Gu..._in_Your_Hands

directfiesta 05-17-2006 12:21 PM

What extra they actually released yesterday ???????


http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/pentagon/video.html

OzMan 05-17-2006 12:34 PM

Franck is quite willing to believe that video shows a passenger jet and that some landing gear or something else (but oh no not a missile) caused the other hole yet he refuses to believe that KRL can communicate telepathically with his pets.

I love it. carry on... please carry on. :thumbsup :1orglaugh :thumbsup :1orglaugh :thumbsup :1orglaugh

Rand 05-17-2006 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dv2
Why is it not possible to see what the hell it is that is hitting that building??

Why would I even think there is a boeing 757 in that footage?

Because someone said so?
:helpme

I totally agree.

That video proves nothing.

MattO 05-17-2006 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix
or why would michael bush give the order to remove all bomb sniffing dogs from the world trade center a month before..and close down areas and only let his "made guys" into

franck and baddog dont even know who all the palyers are in this game..yet they stick to their guns steadfast...i wish i could live that simply


Bush wasn't working for the WTC at that point, not since 2000. The person that was doing that job died in the attack. Also:
25. Claim: Bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the World Trade Center only days before the attack.

Truth: Security was actually increased for a couple of weeks; this ?removal? was just security returning to normal.

CyberHustler 05-17-2006 12:42 PM

if you think that is a damn boeing 757... I can sell you the moon for $199 No s & h

ICQ254-460-615

MattO 05-17-2006 12:45 PM


Proof that it was a 757


I haven't seen a single conspiracy theorist who has any sort of idea how logic and critical scientific theory work. There is no point in debating people who don't understand rules of logic and evidence. You'll never change their minds, it's like trying to tell a savage from the Congo that the sun isn't a demon, it ain't going to work.

CyberHustler 05-17-2006 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MattO

Proof that it was a 757


I haven't seen a single conspiracy theorist who has any sort of idea how logic and critical scientific theory work. There is no point in debating people who don't understand rules of logic and evidence. You'll never change their minds, it's like trying to tell a savage from the Congo that the sun isn't a demon, it ain't going to work.

logic, critical scientific theory, and religion... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

directfiesta 05-17-2006 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MattO

Proof that it was a 757


I haven't seen a single conspiracy theorist who has any sort of idea how logic and critical scientific theory work. There is no point in debating people who don't understand rules of logic and evidence. You'll never change their minds, it's like trying to tell a savage from the Congo that the sun isn't a demon, it ain't going to work.

LOL\.....

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Even the black boxes have been recovered, the reason given for not playing the flight voice recorder for the media was that it wouldn't serve any use other than to cause more emotional pain to family members (I agree with them frankly).
Yes, it would have been so awfull for the survivors to hear the take over of the pilots and maybe the scream of god of the terrorists ...

Obviously, the Flight 93 families don't deserve the same regards ....

CheeseFrog 05-17-2006 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix
Between 1993 and 2000, Marvin Bush, President Bush's brother was a principal in a company that provided security for both The World Trade Center and United Airlines. According to an article by David Ray Griffin "from 1999 to January of 2002 their cousin Wirt Walker III was the CEO "[126] . According to its president CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down". This last statement has been used by some conspiracy theorists to say that the contract "expired" on September 11, 2001. Barbara Bush confirmed this theory in her book 'Reflections' also stating 9/11 was the day the contract expired. Mr. Bush was also a former director and now is an advisor to the board of directors to a firm HCC Insurance Holdings, Inc that had what it called a small participation in the World Trade Center property insurance coverage and some of the surrounding buildings. [127] Marvin Bush was on a subway under Wall Street when the attacks happened.

Wow, they can orchestrate all this... and yet they can't even get the date-stamp right on the video. And they can't even plant the correct airplane parts at the scene of the missile impact. And they can't even remember to leave explosive residue all over the place.

SmokeyTheBear 05-17-2006 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck
So lets see.

They fired a painted missile a few feet off the ground from a few miles away. Then when it hit the building they planted some plane pieces and then they made up a story about a 757 and 60 people missing who infact were all sitting at home watching tv.

Is that about right?

thtat doesnt sound so unrealistic franck , cept they didnt plant the pieces.

they made the missile appear to be a plane.

Personally , the evidence to me is so inconslusive its laughable. it doesnt really point to anything at all..

A few things need closer attention though .. like i havent seen anyone come forward to i.d. the engines in the pentagon rubble as the ngines from the aircraft it was supposed to be on. On the contrary every report i have heard suggests the gnines were from a completely different type of aircraft..

But those details are so strange/misrepresented that its unclear of what to believe and what not to believe..

Some things are alot easier to understand.. like . EVERY 7-11 in the country has better camera surveilance than the pentagon appears to have..

Where are the other videos?

Then the excuse about not releasing the video . the video is like 2 more frames of the same video we have already seen. So why exactly haven't we been alowed to see it ? Oh i forgot it might influence the jurors in that 9/11 terrorists trials .. LOL cmon now who is being naive

Dollarmansteve 05-17-2006 01:11 PM

The most entertaining part of this whole discussion is this irony:

The people who truly believe the conspiracy 'dogma' (thats what it is..) think they THEY are the ones who are thinking critically.

When in fact, it is the very LACK of critical thought that gives rise to the dogma :)

CyberHustler 05-17-2006 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve
The most entertaining part of this whole discussion is this irony:

The people who truly believe the conspiracy 'dogma' (thats what it is..) think they THEY are the ones who are thinking critically.

When in fact, it is the very LACK of critical thought that gives rise to the dogma :)

wtf....??? :disgust

L-Pink 05-17-2006 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MrKinkade
IF a 757 doesn't have enough "lift" to stay off the ground by ten feet obviously you havent flown in a plane the plane can stay 10 feet off the ground for a few minutes before touching down depending on the angle it comes in at... explain to ne how a missle shot at ground level has enough "lift" to stay 10 feet off the ground from where its fired from???


You are out of your element here in regard to the "mechanics" of flying, how a missle is launched and propelled, why the two don't have much in common.

Dirty F 05-17-2006 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OzMan
Franck is quite willing to believe that video shows a passenger jet and that some landing gear or something else (but oh no not a missile) caused the other hole yet he refuses to believe that KRL can communicate telepathically with his pets.

I love it. carry on... please carry on. :thumbsup :1orglaugh :thumbsup :1orglaugh :thumbsup :1orglaugh

So wait...you believe the missile theory.

Uhm so 1: the missile exploded and caused huge damage to the building but at the same time you are saying it left the building through that hole? Wait..im confused. Tell me what that hole is then.

hova 05-17-2006 01:34 PM

all the drama

Dirty F 05-17-2006 01:35 PM

Ok you fucking idiots, stop all your BS for a minute and simply answer this:

HOW did the plane parts get in and around the building. Please before you continue your idiot theories about missiles answer that first.

Fucking retards.

Dirty F 05-17-2006 01:37 PM

And the lightpoles on either side of the street that got knocked over.

Answer simple stuff like that.

CheeseFrog 05-17-2006 01:39 PM

Again... Why was no explosive residue found?

WarChild 05-17-2006 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix
also..how much lift do you think is possible for a huge plane like a 757 to have when it is ten ft off the gorund?

think about that carefully....a plane that size is in constant fre fall..the only thing keeping it up is lift...i highly doubt a large commercial airline is capable of what they are saying

So basically what you're saying is a 757 is not capable of taking off from a runway, because when it hits 10 ft it freefalls back to the ground? Logical.

cranki 05-17-2006 01:40 PM

I agree, this conspiracy theory is just plain bullshit, but maybe...
http://www.25frames.org/media/screens/1094.jpg

Dirty F 05-17-2006 01:49 PM

Phoenix and other idiots:

How did the plane leftovers get in and around the building?

WarChild 05-17-2006 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck
Phoenix and other idiots:

How did the plane leftovers get in and around the building?

Why are you even bothering to argue with somebody that thinks a 757 doesn't have enough lift at 10ft to hold its self up off the ground?

Brujah 05-17-2006 01:55 PM

Let's get MythBusters on the case.

Dirty F 05-17-2006 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild
Why are you even bothering to argue with somebody that thinks a 757 doesn't have enough lift at 10ft to hold its self up off the ground?


Well i know hes full of shit but im trying to get him to realize that as well.

directfiesta 05-17-2006 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CheeseFrog
Again... Why was no explosive residue found?

Why no WMD were found ??? They did exist, didn't they ????

Answer: because there was none .

directfiesta 05-17-2006 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild
So basically what you're saying is a 757 is not capable of taking off from a runway, because when it hits 10 ft it freefalls back to the ground? Logical.


Warchild, you are way smarter than that ...

Are you flirting with Frank by saying stupid things like him ????

If I go with your " logic " , the plane, at take off, could level off when reaching 10 feet ... and FLY ...

Please ....

Scootermuze 05-17-2006 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta
I don't know how to fly a plane ... But if I wanted to cause damage to the Pentagon, I would have stayed straight & steady till I am to be OVER it, then nose dive in it....

This low flying shit is stupid on his part, because a slight movement and he digs the soil instead of the building ...

But I am not a pilot, he was .... :winkwink:

Oh but he wasn't... He did a little bit on flight simulators, which in no way can prepare you for flying a plane that size.. let alone being able to drop down from whatever altitude, cruising til passing over the interstate then drop to an altitude that would put it into the first floor.. at great speed...
Even the most seasoned pilots said they couldn't do it...

Dirty F 05-17-2006 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta
Why no WMD were found ??? They did exist, didn't they ????

Answer: because there was none .


How did pieces of the plane get there. Please explain. Stop all your other bs and answer it.


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