i dont disbelieve this.

i doubt very much that a plane hitting a cement building would survive at all

im just saying it wasnt a plane...it was something else..designed to elicit a certain response from the people..it worked like a charm

thats a freaky photo

Phoenix, were do all the eye witnesses suddenly come from? I thought there was only 1 :1orglaugh

It's a chop, there are many of them.

This is the aircrafts registration number: N644AA

Do your own searches and see what you find :disgust

Hahah yes, a rocket...but they painted it so nobody would recognize it.

A rocket that traveled a few miles a few feet off the ground :1orglaugh

With the number of people believing this is a conspiracy you would think the gov would do everything in its power to PROVE to the public this was "really" a plane hitting the pentagon.

Afterall, if it's for real - what is there to hide?

I could not tell anything from either video.. what's so new about "new" video from last night

Where is the video from the hotel across the street?!!

can you tell me franck how did this 4 frame footage affected the trial of Zaharia terrorist so not to be released the next day of the attack?

Fuck some people are fucking idiots. It'd be much simpler for the G'vment to just hire some nuts to fly the actual airplane into the building than to hatch a plan to paint a fucking missle. Why would they even take a chance? If you came up with a plan "let's paint a missle to look like a plane, fly it into the Pentagon, tell everyone it's a US flight, make that plane go missing, come up with an expaination for a whole lot of dead people"

Yea sure.

and for the record a missile can stay 10feet from the ground for whole miles. You select the distance you shoot it and doesnt have to be a large one. While in army I participated to exercises with apache helicopters shooting to both static and movable targets.


possible, and its not the govt doing such act,is a group of ppl with enough authority.


Do you recall the media reporting THAT day? It was all about WTC and no reports about what happened on pentagon, almost no video footage while there were 100s of dead people and a very serious attack too.

You could easily tell there was no attack at all.

The flow of info is controlable.

Nothing is necessarily fake, but you are stupid to believe your life is that important not to be consumed in a WTC event or a pentagon attack to play a role into some ppl's game.

Actually I remember lots of coverage from the Pentagon attack. Plus they were pretty freaked out waiting for the Capital and White House to get hit.


Here's a good link
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

And here's a good discussion of the "loose change" mess
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=53102

thanks for the links

damn,that's 101 pages thread

Plain and simple, whatever it is that hit the Pentagon, doesn't look big enough to be a 757.

i think their was a plane flying into the pentagon. but was it foreign terrorists or terrorists from within like a bunch of arms dealers who needed a new war to sell more weapons.
that's is a different question.

i don't think bush should have needed to have a 9/11 happened to be able to go into Iraq or now into Iran.

as the president he should be able to go to war anywhere at any time for any reason.

the people put him in charge and that's it.. it should not be a freaking poll every time a president wants to do something.

lets put this event in perspective

Car accidents kill an estimated 1.2 million people worldwide each year.

Authorities say 2752 people died at the World Trade Center

why are we still arguing 5 years later?

I'm with you. For those that claim we're all fools by believing whatever the gov't tells us are really calling the kettle black: You all believe whatever a totally non-credible video tells you. The Loose Change video is the one that manipulates the truth and if you all did your homework you'd see just how much b.s. it is.

Besides, what exactly did the "government tell you"? It was all there on live tv.

:eek2

Police of the world : FUCK YA !

i guess just about anything that looks like a grey fuzzy rectangle is now considerd a boeing 757

I'm convinced...now if we could just find those wmd's...i hear they look like a blue fuzzy circular thing

Soul rebel: You honestly think they shot a missile to the Pentagon. And it flew for miles a few feet off the ground? During the day???

I dont know the Pentagon area but that honestly would be the most retarded action ive ever seen. The Pentagon isnt exactly in an empty desert.

And how do you explain the lightpoles (whatever the word in english is) knocked over on both sides of the road?

And where did the plane go? And the 60 people on board?

How did the plane pieces get there? They were planted there? While everybody was watching?

Why am I not surprised you dont believe the government...... lol

Screen name may give a hint lol

Wow...why are we arguing???

Cuz some of us would like the real culprits who murdered those people to pay for what they did...

Going to war has nothing to do with this...you can start 100's of wars for an array of stupid reasons, but that doesn't bring the people responsible for 9-11
to justice.
:2 cents:

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/16.jpg

Thats a pretty fucking impressive landing gear, effectively plowing through 3 buildings.

Phoenix, all I can say is that I am glad you told me you made these comments just to fuck with people or I would think you were nuts.

i really dont care anymore at all


whos michael bush

Everyone did not have the advantage of that conversation


http://www.chicagosports.rivals.com/...y=6190&Sport=1

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/football/..._mbush_all.jpg

Couldve been something else. I thought i read landing gear. Anyway, that was not the point i was trying to make.

the president DOESN'T have the right to enact war The CONGRESS does that at the presidents asking

i meant who is michale bush..as in he is goerge b ushs brother


if you dont know you arent qualified to make a statement in this thread

Soul rebel: How do you explain the pieces of plane found in and outside the building. Please tell me man.

the thing that i dont get is, with a place like the Pentagon wouldnt there be like 1000 cameras all around the compound, on the streets, everywhere around it?

i mean it is the fucking PENTAGON, and this is the best angle that they have? that just doest make sense to me.

or why would michael bush give the order to remove all bomb sniffing dogs from the world trade center a month before..and close down areas and only let his "made guys" into

franck and baddog dont even know who all the palyers are in this game..yet they stick to their guns steadfast...i wish i could live that simply

who cares about those pieces of the fucking plane....why aren't we going after whomever is behind this 9-11 mess...

I don't care if there's fucking space shuttle parts on the other side of the pentagon building

Oh, so you actually believe this crap?

if you dont know who michael bush is..then y ou shouldnt be offering opinions as you dont know the whole story

I would like to know why you seem to think he has a brother named Michael. Pretty closely guarded secret I guess. How come you were included in the circle of trust?

Phoenix...this is like being on the O'really factor at this point

What about the director of the WTC who a week before 9/11 had all the lights on the south side of the building changed out with higher wattage bulbs, as if to point out which side to hit? And the archetects that said due to the foundation bedrock, the south side was the side retaining most of the weight of the building, thus would be best to take out.

And don't forget the "homeless looking" man who was reported to have stolen at least 3 tourist's camcorders around the area of the Pentagon immediately after the explosions!!!

Biography of Bush, Sr. includes: Bush next turned his energies toward completing his education and raising a family. In January 1945 he married Barbara Pierce. They had six children-- George, Robin (who died as a child), John (known as Jeb), Neil, Marvin, and Dorothy.

Biography of Bush, Jr.: Siblings: 3 brothers, 2 sisters
John (Jeb), Neil, Marvin, Robin, Dorothy. Brother Jeb is currently the Governor of Florida. Sister Robin died of leukemia in 1953 at the age three.