Ive got a guns question [educate me pls]

[DutchTeenCash]

Ok so Im wathcing this MTV special bout guns good bad etc. Theres one thing I dont understand. As you prolly know guns are illegal in Holland, so that makes it easy. Have one, no permit (and you basically cant get it unless youre a cop) and youre doin time. Course you can get them illegally here. But Im talkin legal.

In the US you can get a gun, own one, a rifle even, but this guy who had a machine gun on him got arrested. Then again this 19yo college girl carried one along in her purse, dummy bullets though, real gun.

So you need some kinda permit to have one I guess? See I thought bout this since I saw the PHX pics the shooting in the desert, didnt go there, but thats legal I assume, how does that work?

thanks

[en1]

Most states in the US have different laws. Whether you need permit to buy or not. All states to require a back ground check to purchase a gun. Some states you are capable of carrying a conceled weapon with a permit from the state(or a state that has reciprocity with that state).

[TheWylders]

Yes, our Constitution guarantess us the right to keep and bear arms. As long as you're not a convicted felon in most states it's just a simple background check. Carrying is a completely different issue, while some states (here in the south) allow you to carry if you have a permit, other states are much stricter. In TN I can carry my handgun locked and loaded under my jacket with no problems because I have a concealed carry permit, but when I go to CA it has to be unloaded and unaccessible. STUPID if you ask me, what good is an unloaded gun in the trunk.

[dynastoned]

Originally Posted by thinkx

Ok so Im wathcing this MTV special bout guns good bad etc. Theres one thing I dont understand. As you prolly know guns are illegal in Holland, so that makes it easy. Have one, no permit (and you basically cant get it unless youre a cop) and youre doin time. Course you can get them illegally here. But Im talkin legal.

In the US you can get a gun, own one, a rifle even, but this guy who had a machine gun on him got arrested. Then again this 19yo college girl carried one along in her purse, dummy bullets though, real gun.

So you need some kinda permit to have one I guess? See I thought bout this since I saw the PHX pics the shooting in the desert, didnt go there, but thats legal I assume, how does that work?

thanks

our laws here are wack.. in california you can own pretty much all the weapons you want. as long as they aren't automatic machine guns, assault rifles, and probably 50 cal's. now while you can own them you can't carry them in public unless you have a special permit which in my county is ridiculously hard to get. so anytime you transport rifles/shotguns to anywhere they must be unloaded and in the trunk of your car. if its a pistol you must have it unloaded, in a locked gun box, and in the trunk.

i think the only acceptions to any of those laws are when your hunting up in the mountains. other then that it varies from state to state.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by thinkx

Ok so Im wathcing this MTV special bout guns good bad etc. Theres one thing I dont understand. As you prolly know guns are illegal in Holland, so that makes it easy. Have one, no permit (and you basically cant get it unless youre a cop) and youre doin time. Course you can get them illegally here. But Im talkin legal.

In the US you can get a gun, own one, a rifle even, but this guy who had a machine gun on him got arrested. Then again this 19yo college girl carried one along in her purse, dummy bullets though, real gun.

So you need some kinda permit to have one I guess? See I thought bout this since I saw the PHX pics the shooting in the desert, didnt go there, but thats legal I assume, how does that work?

thanks

There are Federal AND State laws ... So generally speaking,

Certain guns and accessories need Federal permits. (machine guns and silencers)

States ... some prohibit ANY possesion or carrying without permits ... some require the gun to be carried openly unless you have a concealed carry permit. Example. Legally I can strap-on a pistol and holster old west style and walk down my street. If I put on a coat that covers the gun I have broken the law unless I have a concealed carry permit.

[hent]

Some states allow open carry, others, such as Pennsylvania -- I'm told I can carry open (not concealed at all) and it's legal, but the cops will harrass you for it, since everyone will be calling the cops because "some guy has a gun!"

I have my permit to carry -- basically can't carry in government buildings, schools and anywhere that serves alcohol. I may be forgetting some, but it's too easy to get a permit in PA.

[anne]

Originally Posted by hent

Some states allow open carry, others, such as Pennsylvania -- I'm told I can carry open (not concealed at all) and it's legal, but the cops will harrass you for it, since everyone will be calling the cops because "some guy has a gun!"

I have my permit to carry -- basically can't carry in government buildings, schools and anywhere that serves alcohol. I may be forgetting some, but it's too easy to get a permit in PA.

Same in WA. I was actually surprised how easy it is to get one. You dont even have to take a gun safty course. You just need a 2 day waiting period and a background check. Also anyone can carry a concealed weapon if they have a permit. In michigan where i am from you have to give a reason why you need to conceal it (ie off duty cop or security)

Im all for guns I just think if you are gonna have one you should at least be made to take a gun safety course..

[Antonio]

here its illegal not to have a gun

[DutchTeenCash]

k thanks all lot clearer to me now, so basically its ok to have one, no automatic ones, but cant keep it loaded in your hand

so why is it legal to have one due to the constitution? theres some law that says you can defend yself with a gun I guess?

Btw its even illegal here to carry imitation guns, if youre using one as a prop for a movie you have to apply for a permit. We had some weird situations were ppl would do a movie and this guy just carried a AK47 in a trainstation, fake but he got nailed by a whole police team and got a HUGE fine.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by TheWylders

Yes, our Constitution guarantees us the right to keep and bear arms.

That doesn't necessarily means everyone gets to own a gun, but the gun lovers have successfully twisted the 2nd amendment to mean that.

Look at I this ways it's says the right to bear ARMS not GUNS. Now yes guns are in fact arms. So are grenade launchers, tanks, jets, even nukes. Can I own those? No. Why not? I have a RIGHT to bear arms. The US constitution doesn't put any LIMITS on which arms I can own. It's say ARMS not guns. If it said GUNS then I can see why those things are allowed.

So either

A) the 2nd Amendment doesn't mean everyone gets to own a gun

B) or it does and I am being denied my constitutional right to own a tank.

Can't have it both ways. Do guns lovers support the right of citizens to own nukes or are they going to be hypocrites?

Also the fact that I can't own these things means despite what teh 2nd Admendment says ther is over 200 eyars of RESTICTIONS on which ARMS people canown. So the next gun nut that says ANY gun law is "un-Constitutional" need to get a reality checked because restrictions have been legal precedent for over 200 years.

And before someone says my point is stupid please show me the part of the 2nd Amendment where it says I can't own things like nukes.

[potter]

Originally Posted by GatorB

That doesn't necessarily means everyone gets to own a gun, but the gun lovers have successfully twisted the 2nd amendment to mean that.

Look at I this ways it's says the right to bear ARMS not GUNS. Now yes guns are in fact arms. So are grenade launchers, tanks, jets, even nukes. Can I own those? No. Why not? I have a RIGHT to bear arms. The US constitution doesn't put any LIMITS on which arms I can own. It's say ARMS not guns. If it said GUNS then I can see why those things are allowed.

So either

A) the 2nd Amendment doesn't mean everyone gets to own a gun

B) or it does and I am being denied my constitutional right to own a tank.

Can't have it both ways. Do guns lovers support the right of citizens to own nukes or are they going to be hypocrites?

Also the fact that I can't own these things means despite what teh 2nd Admendment says ther is over 200 eyars of RESTICTIONS on which ARMS people canown. So the next gun nut that says ANY gun law is "un-Constitutional" need to get a reality checked because restrictions have been legal precedent for over 200 years.

And before someone says my point is stupid please show me the part of the 2nd Amendment where it says I can't own things like nukes.

Oh my god man, go get some fresh air.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by potter

Oh my god man, go get some fresh air.

is that all you have to say? Obviously you don't have a counter point because you would have presented as such.

I suspect you didn't do well in debating in English class if all you can do is come up with "Oh my god man, go get some fresh air."

[madawgz]

dont touch guns - they kill.........

[DutchTeenCash]

wasnt a are guns ok post, just wondering whats legal and not

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by thinkx

wasnt a are guns ok post, just wondering whats legal and not

I'm explaining to you their is a LEGAL question whether people want to accept it or not. No one has adressed the hypocrisy of the 2nd Admendment.

Anyways in America gun laws are generally done at the STATE level so in order to answer you question you would need 50 different answers.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by GatorB

I'm explaining to you their is a LEGAL question whether people want to accept it or not. No one has adressed the hypocrisy of the 2nd Admendment.

And here you are, right here on good ol' GFY, addressing the hypocrisy of the 2nd amendment. Right on.

I'm sure because of your posts on this thread the problem will be resolved shortly.






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[GatorB]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

And here you are, right here on good ol' GFY, addressing the hypocrisy of the 2nd amendment. Right on.

I'm sure because of your posts on this thread the problem will be resolved shortly.

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well I do what I can you know

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by thinkx

Ok so Im wathcing this MTV special bout guns good bad etc. Theres one thing I dont understand. As you prolly know guns are illegal in Holland, so that makes it easy. Have one, no permit (and you basically cant get it unless youre a cop) and youre doin time. Course you can get them illegally here. But Im talkin legal.

In the US you can get a gun, own one, a rifle even, but this guy who had a machine gun on him got arrested. Then again this 19yo college girl carried one along in her purse, dummy bullets though, real gun.

So you need some kinda permit to have one I guess? See I thought bout this since I saw the PHX pics the shooting in the desert, didnt go there, but thats legal I assume, how does that work?

thanks

Yes you need a CCW to carry. CCW stands for concealed carry weapon.

Damn, you didn't sound like a stuck up euro trash bastard in this thread, very refreshing!

[BrettJ]

Originally Posted by thinkx

k thanks all lot clearer to me now, so basically its ok to have one, no automatic ones, but cant keep it loaded in your hand

You can even have fully automatic guns (by another special license).

You probably couldn't get away with carrying it loaded in your hand. you'd get nailed for at the very least brandishing the fire arm and in most cases also some sort of charge for causes a domestic disturbance / threat of force ... etc. Just a bad idea.

But yes, most states, provide some ability for the citizens to get a permit to carry a loaded fire arm concealed from view.

the person on MTV that got arrested for having the "machine gun" ... it could have been that the person was under 21 (if it was semi auto short barrelled rifle or pistol), the gun was stolen, didn't have a concealed weapon permit, didn't have a class 3 license, or was in a state that doesn't allow the use of class 3 weapons (full auto falls into that)...

[Kevsh]

Originally Posted by TheWylders

but when I go to CA it has to be unloaded and unaccessible. STUPID if you ask me, what good is an unloaded gun in the trunk.

Personally, travelling to CA (or any place else) I feel a lot better knowing that people can't carry a loaded gun, permit or not.

[reynold]

those who live by the gun dies by the gun

[King Adam]

I have a home in Ohio and a home in Arizona.

I own a fair share of guns. In Ohio, I get looked at like a criminal. In Arizona, I get looked at like a cowboy.

All depends on the state law.

But there are also permits you can get and some of those permits carry to other states. By having my permit in AZ to carry a consealed weapon, I can carry a gun in about 5 other states.

[Anthony]

http://packing.org

[Kevin - The PNN]

Depends on which State you live. My wife and I own several guns, we have permits to carry a loaded weapon (CCW) too. We livein Ohio, we can carry in a few States in Ohio. We also have a Floriday pemits from the State of Florida; with it, we are legal to carry a loaded weapon in most of our States (I think about 40).

[Triple 6]

theres also county and city laws that differ as well. I live right outside of NYC... i cant conceal inside NYC tho.

[Darkland]

Originally Posted by GatorB

I'm explaining to you their is a LEGAL question whether people want to accept it or not. No one has adressed the hypocrisy of the 2nd Admendment.

Anyways in America gun laws are generally done at the STATE level so in order to answer you question you would need 50 different answers.

Your suppossed hypocrisy of the 2nd Ammendent is in actuality Common Sense to most people with average or above intelligence. Lets see, comparing a gun or rifle to tanks and nukes, talk about apples and oranges. Thats why alot of shit is fucked up in the world today, people always skip the common sense part of life and jump straight to asinine reasoning of a 10 year old.

[micker]

Originally Posted by thinkx

so why is it legal to have one due to the constitution? theres some law that says you can defend yself with a gun I guess?

Our country was only able to revolt against England becuase we had the firearms to fight back. Our forefathers wrote that into the constitution because they had the wisdom to realize that to remain the free country they envisoined, citizens might have to do that again some time... It hasn't happened, and hopefully it wont ever, but its there...

[spunkmaster]

Originally Posted by anne

Same in WA. I was actually surprised how easy it is to get one. You dont even have to take a gun safty course. You just need a 2 day waiting period and a background check. Also anyone can carry a concealed weapon if they have a permit. In michigan where i am from you have to give a reason why you need to conceal it (ie off duty cop or security)

Im all for guns I just think if you are gonna have one you should at least be made to take a gun safety course..

In WA you don't need to wait or go through any background checks unless you buy a handgun at a retail store.

If you buy any legal gun from a private party or a non-retail store you don't have to do anything but pay them your cash.

It doesn't matter if it's a hand gun, AR15 or whatever.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by GatorB

That doesn't necessarily means everyone gets to own a gun, but the gun lovers have successfully twisted the 2nd amendment to mean that.

Look at I this ways it's says the right to bear ARMS not GUNS. Now yes guns are in fact arms. So are grenade launchers, tanks, jets, even nukes. Can I own those? No. Why not? I have a RIGHT to bear arms. The US constitution doesn't put any LIMITS on which arms I can own. It's say ARMS not guns. If it said GUNS then I can see why those things are allowed.

So either

A) the 2nd Amendment doesn't mean everyone gets to own a gun

B) or it does and I am being denied my constitutional right to own a tank.

Can't have it both ways. Do guns lovers support the right of citizens to own nukes or are they going to be hypocrites?

Also the fact that I can't own these things means despite what teh 2nd Admendment says ther is over 200 eyars of RESTICTIONS on which ARMS people canown. So the next gun nut that says ANY gun law is "un-Constitutional" need to get a reality checked because restrictions have been legal precedent for over 200 years.

And before someone says my point is stupid please show me the part of the 2nd Amendment where it says I can't own things like nukes.

Yeah because they were worried about that when the constitution was drafted. Jebus man.

[pr0]

Originally Posted by GatorB

That doesn't necessarily means everyone gets to own a gun, but the gun lovers have successfully twisted the 2nd amendment to mean that.

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

^

I'm not sure which part of that sentence confuses you. Is it "the"....or perhaps "shall not".


Now lets look at it in full....since most pro gun people only use the second half of the sentence.

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Most anti gun people say the "regulated militia" is now the military...and therefor obsolete. But i say....the military is run by a select few generals....& the commander and chief.

So who is to keep check on them to insure the rights of the PEOPLE? The people, & the only way they can stand up to a renegade army controlled by select people....is to have weapons themselves.

And just for the record, with the proper papers you can own a tank, as a historic artifact....as well as artillery (howitzers etc), troop carriers, and almost any other type of military equiptment.

You can live in your perfect little no gun world, but i'll keep sleeping next to my AK-47. So as soon as your little pussy anti-gun posse makes a law...and...decides to take it away from me....i guess you guys will come armed with sticks & tasers eh? Because certainly it would be hipocritical to seize it using the very same devices to secure the seizure?