im kicking round the idea of openin a bar/grill here in myrtle beach

[brand0n]

found a spot.. its a great location.. needs a shit ton of fucking work before we could start...

got the 1st of 3 bike weeks comming in may.. figure we could be up/running by then in full swing and get in on some of that biker action.

anyone here own/run a bar?

id love to hear some of the trials and all thats involved and what not..

[Chris]

I would try during a slower time so you can work out any bugs you may have

[Pipecrew]

There is no way in hell you could get it up before May. Soo many permits, inspections, Liquor Licenses, fire inspections, parking, disability ramps, the whole 9 yards haha.. Remember you are dealing with government agencies, they dont move fast.

[brand0n]

Originally Posted by Pipecrew

There is no way in hell you could get it up before May. Soo many permits, inspections, Liquor Licenses, fire inspections, parking, disability ramps, the whole 9 yards haha.. Remember you are dealing with government agencies, they dont move fast.

im being told that we can have all the licenses taken care of in 6 weeks.. so long as we pass the inspection.

ofcourse, im being told this buy a gov agency...

The place we are looking at was a bar all ready.. the owner was doing good with the place.. just stuffed so much blow down his face that it pretty much killed him (ok, in fairness to the dead, the blow didnt kill him, a bike wreck did, but im sure the blow didnt help)

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by Pipecrew

There is no way in hell you could get it up before May. Soo many permits, inspections, Liquor Licenses, fire inspections, parking, disability ramps, the whole 9 yards haha.. Remember you are dealing with government agencies, they dont move fast.

I'm pretty sure you can open a business in 3 months lol. Only one that might take some time is liquor and I don't think that's a 3 month dealio.

[sfera]

just sell alcohol and ull make out good

[brand0n]

Originally Posted by sfera

just sell alcohol and ull make out good

you mean dont sell booze?

thats all i drink.. kinda defeats everything lol

[Ross]

I'd love to open a bar in Glasgow. Unfortunately I wouldn't be allowed. Most of the bars and clubs are owned by gangsters or drug dealers. It would be near impossible to make it successful without them doing something I think.

[Deej]

if you looking to open up and right away have a shit load of bikers, that may be a bad move, you would want to be open and get the feel before you get a crowded pit stop....

have you had experience in the line of biz already? If not do you have a right hand that has?

[brand0n]

Originally Posted by Deej

if you looking to open up and right away have a shit load of bikers, that may be a bad move, you would want to be open and get the feel before you get a crowded pit stop....

have you had experience in the line of biz already? If not do you have a right hand that has?

nope.. 1st run for me + my partner


and see.. here in myrtle beach, 3 times a year we have "bike week" the biggest is in may.. draws some 300k bikers here.. its pretty much fuckin nuts.. they over run everything in town.. traffic, hotels, resteraunts, bars, the full 9.

so honestly.. no.. i am not gearing up to open a biker bar.. but yes.. if possible id like to grab some biker traffic while they are here.

one of the reasons we host these bike weeks is the amount of $ these guys have. pretty much you are a doctor trying to be a biker.. so you are loaded.. or you are true to life biker.. building bikes and what not.. loaded.. or your a drug dealing biker.. loaded..
so they are pretty much loaded heh.

[Ramos]

myrtle beach is wack

[wdsguy]

its going to take about atleast a year to turn profit.

[Deej]

Well the money is great, but like you said, they come, they take over ;) if your BRAND NEW to restauranting/booze......its heavy, its a task....great that the place is already established, that a big chunk out of the way, but im talking managment and maintaining....how will you handle, how will your employees handle, how will you handle each other....my biggest point is weeding out who works well and who can handle a shit load of bikers ;) you dont want a packed joint and have one floozie bag whore, one chick with no charisma and then some other chick or dude that cant handle it.....and you runnin around trying to string the seems together..... ... im just saying, if you do get it up and running and you have a biker week within the month that you open, hold on to your balls, it will be a bumpy ride ;)

[Manowar]

Originally Posted by brand0n

im being told that we can have all the licenses taken care of in 6 weeks.. so long as we pass the inspection.

ofcourse, im being told this buy a gov agency...

The place we are looking at was a bar all ready.. the owner was doing good with the place.. just stuffed so much blow down his face that it pretty much killed him (ok, in fairness to the dead, the blow didnt kill him, a bike wreck did, but im sure the blow didnt help)

sounds neat

[Phoenix]

permits are a bitch

but good luck man

[G-Rotica]

My dad owned 22 different bars in his lifetime. He loved the business and hated it. Good luck.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by wdsguy

its going to take about atleast a year to turn profit.

Everyone says that but people that know business seldom wait a year to turn a profit. A lot can do it in a few months or less.

[jacked]

the restaurant business is one of the toughest to work in... owning and managing a restaurant isn't as easy as it sounds i'm sure you could have it up and running in three months but would you want that many people swamping your establishment without putting your staff and kitchen through a few test runs i dunno about that one... it would take you atleast 3 months just to get all the bugs out... finding good cooks, getting all the permits, hiring a compitent staff...

anyway good luck with your future ventures

[brand0n]

Originally Posted by Ramos

myrtle beach is wack

youre wack

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by jacked

the restaurant business is one of the toughest to work in... owning and managing a restaurant isn't as easy as it sounds i'm sure you could have it up and running in three months but would you want that many people swamping your establishment without putting your staff and kitchen through a few test runs i dunno about that one... it would take you atleast 3 months just to get all the bugs out... finding good cooks, getting all the permits, hiring a compitent staff...

anyway good luck with your future ventures

Everyone must be missing the "bar" in bar and grill. I'm sure the alcohol is the main attraction with food coming in a distant second. The drinks are where you're going to make all of your money at and what hundreds of bikers are going to be stopping in for. I'm sure the food can be worked around for a bit.

[~Ray]

don't hire Great White...

[will76]

Originally Posted by brand0n

found a spot.. its a great location.. needs a shit ton of fucking work before we could start...

got the 1st of 3 bike weeks comming in may.. figure we could be up/running by then in full swing and get in on some of that biker action.

anyone here own/run a bar?

id love to hear some of the trials and all thats involved and what not..

restaurants / bars... 90% fail in the first 2 years. Kiss your life good bye, very long hours. If you are not there working 14 - 18 hours days they will steal from you till you have nothing left. I would never suggest to anyone to invest into a bar / restaurant, especially if the person hasn't worked in the industry for a long period of time. I have lots of experience in the industry from bartender - manager - part owner.

[Deej]

Originally Posted by jacked

the restaurant business is one of the toughest to work in... owning and managing a restaurant isn't as easy as it sounds i'm sure you could have it up and running in three months but would you want that many people swamping your establishment without putting your staff and kitchen through a few test runs i dunno about that one... it would take you atleast 3 months just to get all the bugs out... finding good cooks, getting all the permits, hiring a compitent staff...

anyway good luck with your future ventures

This is my point...

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by will76

restaurants / bars... 90% fail in the first 2 years. Kiss your life good bye, very long hours. If you are not there working 14 - 18 hours days they will steal from you till you have nothing left. I would never suggest to anyone to invest into a bar / restaurant, especially if the person hasn't worked in the industry for a long period of time. I have lots of experience in the industry from bartender - manager - part owner.

Don't know what kind of bars you were running but my friend owns multiple. He rents a building, puts in something to attract clients (pool league, poker tourneys, whatever), and pretty much turns a profit from month 2. Soon as he sets one up he rents another building and starts over. Everyone must try too hard.

[B O B]

Originally Posted by brand0n

found a spot.. its a great location.. needs a shit ton of fucking work before we could start...

got the 1st of 3 bike weeks comming in may.. figure we could be up/running by then in full swing and get in on some of that biker action.

anyone here own/run a bar?

id love to hear some of the trials and all thats involved and what not..

I ran bars and restaurants for 15 years...unless you know exactly what you are doing...remember that only 5% of all bars and restaurants succeed.

[Deej]

Originally Posted by chadglni

Everyone must be missing the "bar" in bar and grill. I'm sure the alcohol is the main attraction with food coming in a distant second. The drinks are where you're going to make all of your money at and what hundreds of bikers are going to be stopping in for. I'm sure the food can be worked around for a bit.

the reasons more money is made off of booze is because they charge way more for it....2 shots is more than a hamburger is most places....but there is still tons of food made at these places...and you still need honest mild mannered people is these establishments weeded in...preferrably BEFORE you get a load of biz....

[Young]

brand0n all of the sudden we have 20 plus restaraunt experts on GFY giving their fucking 2 cents. It's your money, and if you think you can work it out then go for it.

Fucking people think they are experts on everything...and not one has answered the original question on whether they have owned a bar. Just throwing out stats and what they have heard or think.

Go for it dude...you only live once. Do your own research and go full steam ahead. I'm buying a condo in Northern Myrtle Beach sometime this summer and I'll become a regular.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by Deej

the reasons more money is made off of booze is because they charge way more for it....2 shots is more than a hamburger is most places....but there is still tons of food made at these places...and you still need honest mild mannered people is these establishments weeded in...preferrably BEFORE you get a load of biz....

My point was the profit isn't in the food. You hardly make shit on food anyhow and bikers aren't coming in for your fine cuisine. They are coming because every other place in town is slam packed and they want a beer.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by Young

brand0n all of the sudden we have 20 plus restaraunt experts on GFY giving their fucking 2 cents. It's your money, and if you think you can work it out then go for it.

Fucking people think they are experts on everything...and not one has answered the original question on whether they have owned a bar. Just throwing out stats and what they have heard or think.

Go for it dude...you only live once. Do your own research and go full steam ahead. I'm buying a condo in Northern Myrtle Beach sometime this summer and I'll become a regular.

More than one person has said they own / owned bars and one of my best friends does also. Way to read captain.

[Morgan]

existing liquor license? or will you need to re-apply?

[will76]

Originally Posted by chadglni

Everyone must be missing the "bar" in bar and grill. I'm sure the alcohol is the main attraction with food coming in a distant second. The drinks are where you're going to make all of your money at and what hundreds of bikers are going to be stopping in for. I'm sure the food can be worked around for a bit.

bars are also a lot harder to keep control of theft. If you dont have a strict policy in place to track your sales, liquor use, you will be out of business before you get started. You still have a lot to work out on the bar side as well.

I am not a negative person, but my comments here will sound negative. I don't care if you are the most successful person online, you are stepping into a whole new world here. You said 2 things that scream to me "don't do it". 1. It will cost a shit load to get it setup and going. Don't know what shit load is to you, but lets use 50K. You can't even call that an investment, because if/when you fail and walk away, you walk away, you wont recoupe that it. 2. Which is the most important thing saying don't do it " this is new to me and my partner". Get you feet wet first. If you want to spend all that money (and the upfront cost is nothing compared to what you will be shelling out in initial inventory and pay roll before you even dream of turning profit) then you should learn the trade before you try to own the business. You will own something that you know nothing about and most likely the people you hire will be experienced in this field and that will work against you. they will know you are green and will know how to cheat the system. It amazes me how people want to jump into this and throw around serious money. The smart thing to do is go get a job as a bartended for couple months, maybe even manage a place, learn the ins and outs before you money is involved. If you have to learn as you go in the restaurant /bar industry as you go, you wont be going very long.

[Antonio]

are you fucking nuts? making money on the web is ten times easier

of course you'll get to bang a lot of chicks, so it does have its good points

[will76]

Originally Posted by Antonio

are you fucking nuts? making money on the web is ten times easier

of course you'll get to bang a lot of chicks, so it does have its good points

i agree and if you make enough money on the net you can still bang a lot of chicks ;) lol

but i know the allure of owning a restaurant / bar can be exciting.

[Slick]

Originally Posted by Antonio

are you fucking nuts? making money on the web is ten times easier

of course you'll get to bang a lot of chicks, so it does have its good points

Yeah, that's true about it being easier to make money on here, BUT it's always nice to have another stick on the fire in case something like a regulation comes down and fucks all of us, there's something to back up on.

[will76]

Originally Posted by YNOTBob

I ran bars and restaurants for 15 years...unless you know exactly what you are doing...remember that only 5% of all bars and restaurants succeed.

hey man, i was thinking of you when i read this thread. I know you know first hand as well.

I bet you don't miss it

you couldn't pay me 6 figures to go manage a place for someone. If you have any chance in hell to make it your LIFE becomes the business, so everything else (family, other sources of income, etc..) suffer... so you take all of that money, and risk eveything i just mentioned for a 5% chace of sucess???

[Lace]

My buddys a remodeling company, we could come down and get that shit knocked out ;)

[will76]

Originally Posted by chadglni

More than one person has said they own / owned bars and one of my best friends does also. Way to read captain.

No shit, his adivce is exactly what not to do. " If it feels good, do it " worry about the results later.

Chad, your friend is an exception to the rule. For every 5 people like him there really is 95 people who have failed. These figures are documented, i am sure you can find something on a small business website or something that keeps track of success/fail for that industry. And MOST people who start rest. bar have experience in them and still fail. I'm just saying why try when it is proven the success rate is so bad and you have no idea what you are doing in the first place.

Diversifing your income is great, but I can think of 1000000 other things (non adult/internet) that are more secure investments then this.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by will76

No shit, his adivce is exactly what not to do. " If it feels good, do it " worry about the results later.

Chad, your friend is an exception to the rule. For every 5 people like him there really is 95 people who have failed. These figures are documented, i am sure you can find something on a small business website or something that keeps track of success/fail for that industry. And MOST people who start rest. bar have experience in them and still fail. I'm just saying why try when it is proven the success rate is so bad and you have no idea what you are doing in the first place.

Diversifing your income is great, but I can think of 1000000 other things (non adult/internet) that are more secure investments then this.

That's because for every 5 smart people there are 95 dumb ones.

[Slacker]

No offense, but there are a Gazillion bar/grills in myrtle beach already.

Unless you have some really unique idea and tons of money to put behind it, I don't see it being worth it.

And if you have never been in the restaraunt biz before, you are in for a real shock.

[Penrod]

where is it located? Anywhere near Secrets Cabaret?

[Alex]

Originally Posted by chadglni

I'm pretty sure you can open a business in 3 months lol. Only one that might take some time is liquor and I don't think that's a 3 month dealio.

Two months. Im not sure how you got your math, but "BY" may means he only has March and April.

[brand0n]

Originally Posted by Young

Go for it dude...you only live once. Do your own research and go full steam ahead. I'm buying a condo in Northern Myrtle Beach sometime this summer and I'll become a regular.

free wifi lol

Originally Posted by Morgan

existing liquor license? or will you need to re-apply?

re-apply

Originally Posted by Antonio

are you fucking nuts? making money on the web is ten times easier

of course you'll get to bang a lot of chicks, so it does have its good points

im not quitting my day job lol.. this is just a side project... and banging chicks isnt a factor

Originally Posted by Lace

My buddys a remodeling company, we could come down and get that shit knocked out ;)

thanks bro, but got that pretty much covered localy..

Originally Posted by Slacker

No offense, but there are a Gazillion bar/grills in myrtle beach already.

Unless you have some really unique idea and tons of money to put behind it, I don't see it being worth it.

And if you have never been in the restaraunt biz before, you are in for a real shock.

i know this.. its one of the reasons i want to open a bar here.. i see these small holes in the walls doing great biz nightly.

[Penrod]

where is it located? Anywhere near Secrets Cabaret?

[Pipecrew]

Originally Posted by chadglni

Don't know what kind of bars you were running but my friend owns multiple. He rents a building, puts in something to attract clients (pool league, poker tourneys, whatever), and pretty much turns a profit from month 2. Soon as he sets one up he rents another building and starts over. Everyone must try too hard.

Dude you are crazy, That is complete b.s about the profit after 2 months. Everyone thinks it would be cool to own a bar, your fucking staff owns your ass, like in any cash business.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by Pipecrew

Dude you are crazy, That is complete b.s about the profit after 2 months. Everyone thinks it would be cool to own a bar, your fucking staff owns your ass, like in any cash business.

Not complete b/s. He also doesn't live in rich town where it costs $5 to take a piss and 2 million to open a bar. A bar = a building, a few pool tables, a few gambling machines, and fucking alcohol. It's not rocket science and I didn't say a "night club" or wtf ever you're talking about. Stick to porn.

[sickkittens]

Originally Posted by Ramos

myrtle beach is wack

When I went it was filled with 16-18 year olds driving their fast and furious cars. I guess it was vacation week for the high school kids.

[jayeff]

Originally Posted by Pipecrew

Dude you are crazy, That is complete b.s about the profit after 2 months.

He hasn't a clue what he is talking about when he says there isn't any profit on food either.

That apart, the main risk of this biker trade, any seasonal or occasional spikes for that matter, is that for all they put into the cash register when they happen, they also have the potential to damage the business badly for the rest of the time. Regulars don't appreciate being sidelined every time it suits the owner.

One solution might be not to rely on regulars at all, but whether that is feasible in this case, I have no way to know...

[will76]

Originally Posted by chadglni

That's because for every 5 smart people there are 95 dumb ones.

i wouldn't put it that way when it comes to restaurant/bar industry, its not that simple... It's more like 5 super intelligent people who did it exactly right, and 95 that couldn't get it done. I have seen some "stupid people" open up some really bad restaurants, that didnt have a chance before it even opened, then I have seen some brillant ideas not make it. There are soooo many reasons that it might not make it. Could be one thing wrong that kills the whole thing, for example everything could be perfect but if you are starting off with too little capitol, or keep bad books, don't understand how to advertise, bad management, or you in a bad location, etc.... one thing wrong can kill the whole business.

[Jace]

do it, then have me come over there and dj once a week ;)

seriously, let me know if you are going to seriously do it, I will come over for the grand opening

[will76]

Originally Posted by brand0n

im not quitting my day job lol.. this is just a side project...

.

Ok, normally you have like a 5% chance of making it, your odds with that comment above and the other comment that you and your partner have no experience now adjust your odds of making it to: .05%