Was the US government involved in 911?

[pornguy]

Hell I dont know. But lots and lots of people say that they pulled it off. Others say that they knew it was going to happen, and did nothing to stop it so that they could then go after Iraq, and the oil, and revenge.

I dont know. Toooooooo many theories, and not enough proof.
But today, I read something that made me shiver.



ORT MEADE, Md. ? President Bush, defending the government's secret surveillance program, said Wednesday that Americans should take Osama bin Laden seriously when he says he's going to attack again.

"When he says he's going to hurt the American people again, or try to, he means it," Bush told reporters after visiting the top-secret National Security Agency where the surveillance program is based. "I take it seriously, and the people of NSA take it seriously."
The article


If they were involved, then I think that this idiot may do something to prove his agenda. things are not looking to good for him, and an " Event " would prove him right as well as justify his need to monitor US citizens.



Discuss.

[TreasureBucks]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Others say that they knew it was going to happen, and did nothing to stop it so that they could then go after Iraq, and the oil, and revenge.

no comment

[GiveIntoMe]

pornguy shut up you bummer

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by GiveIntoMe

pornguy shut up you bummer

Oh yea. I willtake directions from you.

NOT!

[GiveIntoMe]

Pornguy bums men, hes a big time bummer hahahahaha

GFY

[Brujah]

Please stop thinking for yourself. That's not allowed.

[GiveIntoMe]

Brujah jffjofjks;cjsaofjosjdosjdos - whatever yourname is, feel free to admit you bum Pornguy & you have regular sessions.

its the 2 bum chums of the south, hahahahahahaha lol

[Veterans Day]

I think its one thing to know abuout the possibilities and to do nothing and/or ignore the signs, but to mastermind it, I dont buy that at all. Flame on

[pornguy]

Looks like we have ANOTHER stupid annoying nic on the board.

Here is a big welcome GiveIntoMe

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Veterans Day

I think its one thing to know abuout the possibilities and to do nothing and/or ignore the signs, but to mastermind it, I dont buy that at all. Flame on

I honestly dont think that Bush could mastermind tieing his own shoes. I am so sure of that, you can most likely see that he has velcro on them in some of the photos. But remember that The givernment is not just one man.

[messiah1]

Reichstag Fire all over again.

[GiveIntoMe]

jesus christ Veterans Day you talk like a wise old man from India.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by messiah1

Reichstag Fire all over again.

You never know. And as I recall they killed the guy that did it.

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by GiveIntoMe

Brujah jffjofjks;cjsaofjosjdosjdos - whatever yourname is, feel free to admit you bum Pornguy & you have regular sessions.

its the 2 bum chums of the south, hahahahahahaha lol

I haven't seen such intelligence in a long while. Welcome to GFY, Mr Mensa.

[Veterans Day]

Originally Posted by pornguy

I honestly dont thing that Bush could mastermind tieing his own shoes. I am so sure of that, you can most likely see that he has velcro on them in some of the photos. But remember that The givernment is not just one man.

Well for one, you dont mastermind this type of action in a matter of weeks, second it's not about him alone. Third and final issue is there would be way too many people to keep quiet. Its why they fix boxing instead of basketball. This is a dead horse that will do nothing but turn to a flame war which is rather boring, so you guys can discuss amongst yourselves, but No I dont think the government sent this whole 9/11 into action themselves to go after Iraq. That's stretching it

[Doctor Dre]

Originally Posted by pornguy

I honestly dont think that Bush could mastermind tieing his own shoes. I am so sure of that, you can most likely see that he has velcro on them in some of the photos. But remember that The givernment is not just one man.

Obviously... I wonder how little the actual president have to do with everything.

[sumphatpimp]

the only way Bush could be involved is if he was flying the plane, and thought he could fly in one side of the WTC and come out the other unharmed.

[FredIsMe]

Originally Posted by Veterans Day

Well for one, you dont mastermind this type of action in a matter of weeks, second it's not about him alone. Third and final issue is there would be way too many people to keep quiet. Its why they fix boxing instead of basketball. This is a dead horse that will do nothing but turn to a flame war which is rather boring, so you guys can discuss amongst yourselves, but No I dont think the government sent this whole 9/11 into action themselves to go after Iraq. That's stretching it

Um Cheney worked in washington longer than a couple of weeks prior to the 9/11 attacks.

[Triple 6]

well, whether 911 was usa gov sponsored, or supported by letting it happen, what i do know is that, that is the one single event our country will forver use as an excuse (or call it reason, whatever) to invade anywhere they see fit to fight the war on 'terrorism'... which can be used to mask the REAL reason we are doing what we are doing.

and from a business standpoint, which is how i see government, as a 'business', i can easily see why invading iraq and afghaniston is both lucrative and beneficial for the usa's bottom dollar and growth / expansion in the future. And one thing that most with knowledge in politics, economy, and history will agree on: without competition, acquisitions and mergers (i.e., WARs), big guys eating up the little guys, etc, etc, a business (country/nation/etc) will not thrive in the marketplace (world as a whole) because survival is all about adaptation, expansion, and evolution. Nature will even show you that nothing lasts forever and whatever has come close to it has undergone a lot of change in order to survive.

For the USA to sustain itself and hold the grips it has, its gotta make some serious moves. And most of them you cant just outright say what they are because it would defeat the purpose of said moves.



just my 2 pennies.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Veterans Day

Well for one, you dont mastermind this type of action in a matter of weeks, second it's not about him alone. Third and final issue is there would be way too many people to keep quiet. Its why they fix boxing instead of basketball. This is a dead horse that will do nothing but turn to a flame war which is rather boring, so you guys can discuss amongst yourselves, but No I dont think the government sent this whole 9/11 into action themselves to go after Iraq. That's stretching it

And how do you feel about the pacific fleet sitting in pearl Harbor when the rest of the world was at war? the only ships missing were the carriers and thier support ships. Why would someone sit them there? Hmm. Maybe if they were bombed, then we could get the American people to back the US government getting into a war that did not invlove them.


I do believe that the US allowed that to happen. As I believe that they allowed 911 to happen.

The debate still goes on about what hit the pentagon. But I can say this for sure. A company my uncle worked for had the contract to install the antiaircraft weapons that defend the pentagon. So how did something get through, and hit that building?

[Veterans Day]

Originally Posted by pornguy

And how do you feel about the pacific fleet sitting in pearl Harbor when the rest of the world was at war? the only ships missing were the carriers and thier support ships. Why would someone sit them there? Hmm. Maybe if they were bombed, then we could get the American people to back the US government getting into a war that did not invlove them.


I do believe that the US allowed that to happen. As I believe that they allowed 911 to happen.

The debate still goes on about what hit the pentagon. But I can say this for sure. A company my uncle worked for had the contract to install the antiaircraft weapons that defend the pentagon. So how did something get through, and hit that building?

that first war you speak of is a tiny bit different than iraq. Well shit seems like you got it all figured out. Case closed. I got work to do, have a good night

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Veterans Day

that first war you speak of is a tiny bit different than iraq. Well shit seems like you got it all figured out. Case closed. I got work to do, have a good night

Dude dont get fussy. I am just pointing out that of they COULD have done it once, dont you think that they could have a second time.

[Veterans Day]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Dude dont get fussy. I am just pointing out that of they COULD have done it once, dont you think that they could have a second time.

Ok fair enough last reply, the government can do what they want, any government for that matter. But to orchestrate the magnatude of 9/11 to go after iraq seems like a stretch to me.

[Basic_man]

He have no choice to tell america he cares about what Osama said.. doesn't mean he will do something about it..

[Brujah]

Let's assume they're right and we were behind it for a moment. If the reasons were important for our survival, would you have gone along with it ? You almost can't explain simple things to the masses, let alone complex global strategies.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Brujah

Let's assume they're right and we were behind it for a moment. If the reasons were important for our survival, would you have gone along with it ? You almost can't explain simple things to the masses, let alone complex global strategies.

No I would not have. there is always another way.

[NoCarrier]

[Alex]

Originally Posted by pornguy

I honestly dont think that Bush could mastermind tieing his own shoes. I am so sure of that, you can most likely see that he has velcro on them in some of the photos. But remember that The givernment is not just one man.

Because the Mexcian Governmenbt is doing so muhc better.
Aren't you tired of all those U.S citizens hopping the border into Mexico and taking the brown mans job?

Oh wait....

[Oracle Porn]

I still don't understand how could a 757 do something like this...

[Alex]

Leave it to Oracle Porn to be a complete douche. We dont all have 50" screens.

[kenny]

Originally Posted by pornguy

And how do you feel about the pacific fleet sitting in pearl Harbor when the rest of the world was at war? the only ships missing were the carriers and thier support ships. Why would someone sit them there? Hmm. Maybe if they were bombed, then we could get the American people to back the US government getting into a war that did not invlove them.

Japan was invading lots of places in the Pacific.



They wanted Hawaii for a military base stepping stone to Alaska.

Japan had no oil to fuel their war machine.

It was probably a damn good idea to have the Pacific fleet sit in a Pacific base with all that shit going down.

Besides it wasn't like Japan was some push over that we just had to take advantage of.

[kenny]

Christ man - shrink your picture

[The Captain]

I just cant beleive that the government knew that was going to happen and didnt do anyting about it. I just have more faith in my fellow human being that other people I guess.

[pornguy]

Man that photo fucked up the thread. And what was the point any way.

" Because the Mexcian Governmenbt is doing so muhc better.
Aren't you tired of all those U.S citizens hopping the border into Mexico and taking the brown mans job?

Oh wait...."

And which job did a mexican take from you?? Oh Wait....

all he did was pick the grapes that you eat, the strawberries that you would NOT have bought if you had to pay an american to pick them, because you would not want to spend 30$ on a single box of them.

And WTF do the mexican have to do with the topic?

[Oracle Porn]

i fucked up...well texas dream should fix that....I can't edit + the pic isn't hosted on my server

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by kenny

Japan was invading lots of places in the Pacific.



They wanted Hawaii for a military base stepping stone to Alaska.

Japan had no oil to fuel their war machine.

It was probably a damn good idea to have the Pacific fleet sit in a Pacific base with all that shit going down.

Besides it wasn't like Japan was some push over that we just had to take advantage of.

So they went to Hawaii for the oil that they needed??? I think that they were presented with a nice fat juicy target, that was nearly unmanned when you consider the numbers that would normally have been aboard the ships had they been at sea. And onstead pf parking the ships to protect Hawaii, dont you think that they should have been patrolling the waters instead. that way they could fight back.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by pornguy

ORT MEADE, Md. ? President Bush, defending the government's secret surveillance program, said Wednesday that Americans should take Osama bin Laden seriously when he says he's going to attack again.

"When he says he's going to hurt the American people again, or try to, he means it," Bush told reporters after visiting the top-secret National Security Agency where the surveillance program is based. "I take it seriously, and the people of NSA take it seriously."
The article

It was not long ago Bush also said Osama did not matter and was irrelevant - then never mentioned his name for almost two years.

Now when shit over the NSA raises it's head, Osama becomes the reason Bush needs to spy on folks without court warrants and does the usual "threat" verbal of "our nation is under attack" with quotes like Osama is "going to hurt the American people again".

Osama is a wonderful "convenience" and can be pulled out of the cupboard and used to present a case for anything - including justification for domestic spying without warrants.

Osama never was irrelevant. Even if he dies or is captured - he'll still be relevant and most likely become a martyr and have others taking up his role. There may be good reasons why bin Laden has never been caught. It's also useful to have an enemy.

Only my worth, but bin Laden is not a valid reason for avoiding the law and wire tapping. Ya don't throw laws out the window because of people who like to blow stuff up. No self-respecting "terrorist" is going to be using forms of communication which can be "tapped". If the NSA or Bush seriously think that - there are no bounds to naivity.

[kenny]

Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

I still don't understand how could a 757 do something like this...

What do you think did it?

Do you think the united states..

- hijacked a 757

- killed all the passengers

- made the plane vanish off the face of the earth

- fired a missle at the Pentagon in broad daylight

- managed to blame it on a terrorist hijacking

- managed to keep it all a secret

wouldn't it make alot more sense if the Pentagon was hit by a plane hijacked by terrorist like the other buildings were that very same day?

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

i fucked up...well texas dream should fix that....I can't edit + the pic isn't hosted on my server

I found my self sitting sideways typing around the photo. Fuck that thing is big.

Link hottin will do that to you.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by pornguy

And WTF do the mexican have to do with the topic?

Everything. Why are you worried with consipiracy theories regarding OTHER countries.

I dont remember you living here, voting for officials, or being affected by 9/11

[Webby]

What experienced webmaster fucked this thread up??

Quit posting pics and say something that may be relevant

[Oracle Porn]

Originally Posted by kenny

What do you think did it?

Do you think the united states..

- hijacked a 757

- killed all the passengers

- made the plane vanish off the face of the earth

- fired a missle at the Pentagon in broad daylight

- managed to blame it on a terrorist hijacking

- managed to keep it all a secret

wouldn't it make alot more sense if the Pentagon was hit by a plane hijacked by terrorist like the other buildings were that very same day?

not really sure... the abilities the US governmant has are a lot bigger then we even think, so something for sure happened there that they are not telling us, I def can't guess what though....

[Oracle Porn]

the most interesting this was that there was no plane there ever!

[kenny]

Originally Posted by pornguy

So they went to Hawaii for the oil that they needed??? I think that they were presented with a nice fat juicy target, that was nearly unmanned when you consider the numbers that would normally have been aboard the ships had they been at sea. And onstead pf parking the ships to protect Hawaii, dont you think that they should have been patrolling the waters instead. that way they could fight back.

They wanted Alaska. Hawaii was a strategic military postion towards that objective.

It was a pre-emptive assault. The very nature of that doctrine is to catch the target off guard.

Back then we didn't have the greatest technology to alert us well in advance.

At the same time we didn't have nuclear powered ships that could aimlessly cruise around refueling once every 20 years.

Yes- I think we could of been better prepared. We were probably pre-occupied with the European Theatre

[Brujah]

Osama Bin Headroom

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Alex

Everything. Why are you worried with consipiracy theories regarding OTHER countries.

I dont remember you living here, voting for officials, or being affected by 9/11

Sharpen your memory. I was Born in the US, and voted though the Embassy against Bush in the last vote. My corporation is based in the US, and my family lives in the US.

[tristan_D]

those images still affects the same way it did some four years ago.