Internext 2007 Dates - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

MikeSmoke · 01-12-2006, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Internext-Renee

Point taken.
It's hard because we get completely different feedback - like opposite feedback .....sometimes with no general consensus at all. But that is a mute point right now. The bottom line is that these shows are for you guys. If we don't listen to feedback and use it to tailor our events to suit your needs - then we are failing you. Thanks for your post.

It's good to see this thread, and I really hope that AVN is serious in wanting to take feedback seriously. I've been going to the January show since the IA2000 days, and it hurts to be saying, as I have been since I got back from this year's show, "no way I'll do that again." And this thread is in no way meant as a personal attack against Renee.
But I do have to shake my head.

When the Jan 2006 show was first scheduled, all *I* heard and saw showed overwhelming opposition to the plan in the webmaster community; anyone who spent any time in the webmaster community clearly knew that lots of people weren't going to attend this year and that many exhibitors were steering clear as well.
And even before the 2006 show began, the March 2007 dates had been determined (I would guess because of dismal advance sales) --- yet AVN Online on the first day of the show was putting a "yes, some people are unhappy but the show is a huge success" spin on things.
Now that the show is over and it obviously didn't work out the way they had hoped, AVN is saying "we get opposite feedback and no general consensus."

The way I see it:
Before the show most people were saying "this is going to be a cluster-fuck" - and it was.
Before the show, AVN was saying "this is going to be great" even as they were planning to do it differently the following year - during the show, AVN was saying "this is going great" even though it obviously wasn't - and they made plans for 2007 without consulting the webmaster community or even looking at a calendar of events.

I applaud Renee for coming here, and for the apparent concern that people's desires are seriously considered going forward.

But, to be honest, I'd take this all a lot more seriously if AVN could just come forward and first say "We were wrong - things didn't work out so hot this way after all, and we were also wrong to just pick out new dates based on our needs rather than yours - so we're back to square one. We're sorry, and we're here to start listening" rather than "It's hard because we get completely different feedback - like opposite feedback .....sometimes with no general consensus at all."
That's just spin, from the same people who answer complaints about unmasked adult bulk mailings with "you can email us and have your name removed from our mailing list."

AVN: the time for spin is long past. If you START by saying "Sorry, we screwed up and we realize that this year's show didn't meet anyone's expectations, including ours" and THEN tell us "we want to be part of what you do, tell us what you want in a show" - it would, to my mind at least, be a much better start.

Just my

Mr Pheer · 01-12-2006, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

It's good to see this thread, and I really hope that AVN is serious in wanting to take feedback seriously. I've been going to the January show since the IA2000 days, and it hurts to be saying, as I have been since I got back from this year's show, "no way I'll do that again." And this thread is in no way meant as a personal attack against Renee.
But I do have to shake my head.

When the Jan 2006 show was first scheduled, all *I* heard and saw showed overwhelming opposition to the plan in the webmaster community; anyone who spent any time in the webmaster community clearly knew that lots of people weren't going to attend this year and that many exhibitors were steering clear as well.
And even before the 2006 show began, the March 2007 dates had been determined (I would guess because of dismal advance sales) --- yet AVN Online on the first day of the show was putting a "yes, some people are unhappy but the show is a huge success" spin on things.
Now that the show is over and it obviously didn't work out the way they had hoped, AVN is saying "we get opposite feedback and no general consensus."

The way I see it:
Before the show most people were saying "this is going to be a cluster-fuck" - and it was.
Before the show, AVN was saying "this is going to be great" even as they were planning to do it differently the following year - during the show, AVN was saying "this is going great" even though it obviously wasn't - and they made plans for 2007 without consulting the webmaster community or even looking at a calendar of events.

I applaud Renee for coming here, and for the apparent concern that people's desires are seriously considered going forward.

But, to be honest, I'd take this all a lot more seriously if AVN could just come forward and first say "We were wrong - things didn't work out so hot this way after all, and we were also wrong to just pick out new dates based on our needs rather than yours - so we're back to square one. We're sorry, and we're here to start listening" rather than "It's hard because we get completely different feedback - like opposite feedback .....sometimes with no general consensus at all."
That's just spin, from the same people who answer complaints about unmasked adult bulk mailings with "you can email us and have your name removed from our mailing list."

AVN: the time for spin is long past. If you START by saying "Sorry, we screwed up and we realize that this year's show didn't meet anyone's expectations, including ours" and THEN tell us "we want to be part of what you do, tell us what you want in a show" - it would, to my mind at least, be a much better start.

Just my

good post

Internext-Renee · 01-12-2006, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

If you post the link to vote on the average webmaster boards it has a shot of winning. Don't speak to the boards for feedback as half of the population are part time or no time webmasters, or outsourced employees paid only to garner attention.

Speak to exhibitors and attendees from this past show and those before. Believe me, we have a lot of feedback for you.

Any poll we do will also be sent to all of our exhibitors and registered attendees. Bonnie told me you have feedback for me. I'll call you tomorrow.

Lace · 01-12-2006, 09:13 PM

What a great thread!

Internext-Renee · 01-12-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

If you post the link to vote on the average webmaster boards it has a shot of winning. Don't speak to the boards for feedback as half of the population are part time or no time webmasters, or outsourced employees paid only to garner attention.

Speak to exhibitors and attendees from this past show and those before. Believe me, we have a lot of feedback for you.

Any poll that we do will be emailed to our Exhibitors and Registered Attendees. Bonnie told me you have feedback for me, I'll call you tomorrow.

PrintAdult · 01-12-2006, 09:31 PM

This sounds like a great idea. It was a move in the right direction to respond back to the comments that have been made regarding the show. The show just needs to have more of a florida atmosphere where it is easier to conduct business. I am thankful for the show since we did a great deal of business.

Internext-Renee · 01-12-2006, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

Agreed. Thank You for still showing here to address the issues.

However, in the past year, you guys have lost 4 major players in the internet portion of your internet biz model.

Jeff Random - Truely the best salesman AVN ever had in my honest opinon.
Kimberly
Aly
Jennifer Johnson

these 4 people had the "in" with the internet side of the business. All are now gone.

One of the main reasons i personally do not actively advertise with avn online is because i had the best rep in the entire company, he left, along with some of the best of the rest that were left. Once jeff left, no one knew me from just a call book in a sales log.

Is avn online still a viable outlet for adult online biz? Yes, i truly believe that. But without that personal rapport and interaction from people who really care to know you and take care of you the way that we were for years, I decided that for the ad rates and what other publications are offering for competitive levels of exposure in our market it just wasn't worth it anymore. Other miniscul issues are not worth even bringing to light. It sucks that I am evening writing all this on a public forum, but I really feel that this stuff needs to be addressed and the adult internet side needs to be given its due credit. If I'm wrong, then I'll take the heat.

i have a big mouth. I'm not afraid to say things. I feel like such a dick because I know that the channels of information passing over there are not unobstructed, and the people who need to hear things, sometimes never do. Farley has always taken the time to listen to me and sitdown over lunches and what not to make things right.

I am an ally. This show used to be the highlight of my year. Others have now replaced that. I'm not going to fight evolution. All i can do is offer honest information.

Where do we go from here? That is what iI want to know.

You're not a dick. You make perfect sense.
I'll log back in tomorrow morning.

$tandaman · 01-12-2006, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Internext-Renee

Any poll that we do will be emailed to our Exhibitors and Registered Attendees. Bonnie told me you have feedback for me, I'll call you tomorrow.

I have asked Teri regarding getting some feedback to Internext, and she said you guys send out questionnaires after EACH show.. and people don't respond do them, well i have never received one.. has anyone else?

Webmasters are smart people.. they sell Air every day.. you can't really spin shit with them and pass it on easily.. with most anyway.. i am actually GLAD to see the show turn out REALLY bad this time for AVN, because if it did not and was only a half assed show, it would not cause such a stir, and AVN once again would NOT move their ass.

Lets hope this will turn into something positive, although in the 'LARGE' company for this industry, AVN has a lot of red tape as it seems.

TheGoldenChild · 01-12-2006, 09:48 PM

I know Renee has a tough job-
She does her job very well.

However, if webmasters really want to send a message- they simply won't attend any more AVN shows-

Polls and surveys are all bullshit-
I like a lot of the opinions expressed here from webmasters who care.

I still think that PHX will be the new mecca for adult webmasters-
Why you ask?

Everyone knows that the processors are what make this business run.
CC BIll has tremendous marketshare when it comes to valuable webmasters.
CC Bill knows who their clientele is,and they also know how to cater to them and make them feel special.
CC Bill tastefully promotes their ocmpany as well as their sponsors who support the show- (ie They pick up sponsors in Bentley's from the airport, have seminars with company owners that are informative, and not a bunch of $30,000 a year employees hucking their wares, as well as they provide an environment that is condusive to relaxation and networking).

Renee, if you want to appease webmasters and make them come back and fully support AVN and their tradeshows- you need to come to PHX and watch how a true industry giant does it.
I am not taking any shots at you - You are a major asset for AVN.
I think it's just time to re-examine the business model of a tradeshow in January during the craziest and most expensive time of the year.

Fetish · 01-12-2006, 09:49 PM

It sounds like you have your ears open knowing that this show was not a good one at all. I'm sure some good business was done but attendance was surely down from what I saw. The hottest thing about the show floor IMO was the Poker tourney going on way in the back. You should move it to a more central location since it seems to be a staple at these shows now and brings fun to the floor. I even won a little money. :-)

You should also get some hot sexy women back into that show. I know it is a businsess show but every malewebmaster loves to see the women, you know?

I think that early February would be a good time or even late January but not earlier.

reed_4 · 01-12-2006, 09:51 PM

wow, this is exciting news thanks for the info Renee.

C H R I S · 01-12-2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

Agreed. Thank You for still showing here to address the issues.

However, in the past year, you guys have lost 4 major players in the internet portion of your internet biz model.

Jeff Random - Truely the best salesman AVN ever had in my honest opinon.
Kimberly
Aly
Jennifer Johnson

these 4 people had the "in" with the internet side of the business. All are now gone.

One of the main reasons i personally do not actively advertise with avn online is because i had the best rep in the entire company, he left, along with some of the best of the rest that were left. Once jeff left, no one knew me from just a call book in a sales log.

Is avn online still a viable outlet for adult online biz? Yes, i truly believe that. But without that personal rapport and interaction from people who really care to know you and take care of you the way that we were for years, I decided that for the ad rates and what other publications are offering for competitive levels of exposure in our market it just wasn't worth it anymore. Other miniscul issues are not worth even bringing to light. It sucks that I am evening writing all this on a public forum, but I really feel that this stuff needs to be addressed and the adult internet side needs to be given its due credit. If I'm wrong, then I'll take the heat.

i have a big mouth. I'm not afraid to say things. I feel like such a dick because I know that the channels of information passing over there are not unobstructed, and the people who need to hear things, sometimes never do. Farley has always taken the time to listen to me and sitdown over lunches and what not to make things right.

I am an ally. This show used to be the highlight of my year. Others have now replaced that. I'm not going to fight evolution. All i can do is offer honest information.

Where do we go from here? That is what iI want to know.

If anyone needs anything whatsoever from the the Sales Department feel free to call, ICQ anytime. Edison, Farley and myself are committed to giving the best service and to all our clients and the entire community.

We spend an enormous amount of time making sure all of our current and potential clients are taken care of.

Thanks for making this thread constructive!

BradShaw · 01-12-2006, 09:53 PM

I am done with AVN shows, we have spent big $ with them over the years, they lost our business as well as many others.... so I hear.

Fetish · 01-12-2006, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kBizzle

I know Renee has a tough job-
She does her job very well.

However, if webmasters really want to send a message- they simply won't attend any more AVN shows-

Polls and surveys are all bullshit-
I like a lot of the opinions expressed here from webmasters who care.

I still think that PHX will be the new mecca for adult webmasters-
Why you ask?

Everyone knows that the processors are what make this business run.
CC BIll has tremendous marketshare when it comes to valuable webmasters.
CC Bill knows who their clientele is,and they also know how to cater to them and make them feel special.
CC Bill tastefully promotes their ocmpany as well as their sponsors who support the show- (ie They pick up sponsors in Bentley's from the airport, have seminars with company owners that are informative, and not a bunch of $30,000 a year employees hucking their wares, as well as they provide an environment that is condusive to relaxation and networking).

Renee, if you want to appease webmasters and make them come back and fully support AVN and their tradeshows- you need to come to PHX and watch how a true industry giant does it.
I am not taking any shots at you - You are a major asset for AVN.
I think it's just time to re-examine the business model of a tradeshow in January during the craziest and most expensive time of the year.

The 2 are totally different events. It is way different putting on a tradeshow with booths and a tremendous amount of marketing and advertising rather than having a networking event at one small hotel with a few parties, semiars, and a dodgeball event. Not to take anything away from CCbill as they put on a great event but the 2 are not the same in any way.

$tandaman · 01-12-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AVNChris

If anyone needs anything whatsoever from the the Sales Department feel free to call, ICQ anytime. Edison, Farley and myself are committed to giving the best service and to all our clients and the entire community.

We spend an enormous amount of time making sure all of our current and potential clients are taken care of.

Thanks for making this thread constructive!

Have to agree with that, Chris is good. Always ready and willing to help out.

MikeHawk · 01-12-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

If you post the link to vote on the average webmaster boards it has a shot of winning. Don't speak to the boards for feedback as half of the population are part time or no time webmasters, or outsourced employees paid only to garner attention.

Speak to exhibitors and attendees from this past show and those before. Believe me, we have a lot of feedback for you.

First Rene ...great to see you posting up on GFY. (take care of that cold) Also was awsome working with you in Las Vegas...enjoyed it!

Also John has a great point, those who sit at home and never go to shows...really have nothing to offer not ever being there or experiencing anything that a show offers good or bad.

Since we were next to each other this show John i had a blast with you and Charlie and met some amazing people and came away from this show as always learning something new... For us at Smashbucks there were some amazing moments even before the show started.

Sometimes its just one conversation that can make your entire show....just a thought that makes it all make sense.

seeric · 01-12-2006, 09:56 PM

i think its a much smarter approach to send renee here to get the insight than throwing some poor guy from the video side that doesn't know anyone here to be eaten by the wolves. she handles it. she is doing a great job of taking in the input that has been posted so far. no offense to chris, but he is not the person to come and deal with this. 99% of his responses were in accordance to what he was instructed to do pre-show. "hey, can't wait to meet you", "lets get a drink". i am very happy to see renee here. she will either crack and lose her mind trying to fix it or be the hero and make the big changes. plain and simple. i wanted to spend money this year. i had huge promotional plans for the show and in stead bailed on them. it's the old adage, if you need something handled handle it yourself. she is the one who handles it, so speaking directly to her is probably the best thing to do. if no one listens after that, then what can you really do more?

MikeHawk · 01-12-2006, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BradShaw

I am done with AVN shows, we have spent big $ with them over the years, they lost our business as well as many others.... so I hear.

i am sorry but you are a big dork....why not throw a promo for your show while you are at it....

Oh and thanks for returning my email ...big shot.

$tandaman · 01-12-2006, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

i am very happy to see renee here. she will either crack and lose her mind trying to fix it or be the hero and make the big changes. plain and simple.

i feel the same way.. looks like the industry is finally reacting after a long time of AVN abusing it's customer loyalty.

C H R I S · 01-12-2006, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by $tandaman

Have to agree with that, Chris is good. Always ready and willing to help out.

Thanks Stan - we do really try to help everyone. We reach out, we go to the mat for everyone that asks - not just advertisers.

Once again I extend the invitation - if anyone needs anything consultative or otherwise - hit me me up on ICQ or call.

chowda · 01-12-2006, 10:16 PM

just copy what happened to comdex:
sell it to some ppl
let them run it to the ground
clear profit.
just sell "internext"

C H R I S · 01-12-2006, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

i think its a much smarter approach to send renee here to get the insight than throwing some poor guy from the video side that doesn't know anyone here to be eaten by the wolves. she handles it. she is doing a great job of taking in the input that has been posted so far. no offense to chris, but he is not the person to come and deal with this. 99% of his responses were in accordance to what he was instructed to do pre-show. "hey, can't wait to meet you", "lets get a drink". i am very happy to see renee here. she will either crack and lose her mind trying to fix it or be the hero and make the big changes. plain and simple. i wanted to spend money this year. i had huge promotional plans for the show and in stead bailed on them. it's the old adage, if you need something handled handle it yourself. she is the one who handles it, so speaking directly to her is probably the best thing to do. if no one listens after that, then what can you really do more?

No offense taken. I wasn't responding to the tradeshow issue. Renee handles that and I was simply responding to your long comment on the internet divison. Yes there has been alot of turnover - but we have a solid team now.

seeric · 01-12-2006, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AVNChris

No offense taken. I wasn't responding to the tradeshow. Renee handles that and I was simply responding to your long comment on the internet divison. Yes there has been alot of turnover - but we have a solid team now.

thanks for not taking it personally. once you get to learn the internet side i believe you can be just as valuable an asset. it will only take your management to allow you to grow and have the ability to go "out of the avn box" that everyone is living in over there.

stick with it man.

the internet shows like phoenix forum, cybernet, webmaster access, costa rica bash, jbm, and the like will still be there and supported by the internet community, but i think that avn can still bring back what was.

with that said, here is where i stand.

long live

phoenix forum
webmaster access
cybernet expo
costa rica bash
ynot mexico
and the rest of the shows run by internet companies.

i really feel if you guys want to come back and make internext an internet priority then you have to treat the webmasters like they want to be treated.

i went to vegas, didn't go to the show and still made deals, and spent no time on the show floors. i really wanna see it work out.

all the best of luck to avn taking in the responses and analyzing them accordingly.

BluMedia · 01-12-2006, 10:33 PM

I thinking moving it is a great idea, this year did not go well at all. I think late January would be perfect. I think doing it March would not go well at all. The Phoenix Forum is becoming very popular and is at the end of March. If you hold Internext in March most people are going to choose between the two I would think.

Mark

Pornwolf · 01-12-2006, 10:44 PM

Or she may turn out to be like the reps that Ibill sends here time to time.

"Oh, what's the problem? Please tell me everything, I'm here to help!"

"Okay, no problem. I'll try to pass that info along to get it rectified soon."

"I'm going to dissappear now, I was only here to make you think we cared. Hope you fell for it, suckers!"

Then the "rep" dissappears.

WiredGuy · 01-12-2006, 10:45 PM

Mid to late january or even february is fine. Don't try to compete with Phx forum, you'll lose my attendence and a lot more to boot by trying.

WG

seeric · 01-12-2006, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Mid to late january or even february is fine. Don't try to compete with Phx forum, you'll lose my attendence and a lot more to boot by trying.

WG

word up!!!

GF'DTosser · 01-13-2006, 12:57 AM

[QUOTE=A1R3K]Agreed. Thank You for still showing here to address the issues.

However, in the past year, you guys have lost 4 major players in the internet portion of your internet biz model.

Jeff Random - Truely the best salesman AVN ever had in my honest opinon.
Kimberly
Aly
Jennifer Johnson

these 4 people had the "in" with the internet side of the business. All are now gone.

One of the main reasons i personally do not actively advertise with avn online is because i had the best rep in the entire company, he left, along with some of the best of the rest that were left. Once jeff left, no one knew me from just a call book in a sales log.

Is avn online still a viable outlet for adult online biz? Yes, i truly believe that. But without that personal rapport and interaction from people who really care to know you and take care of you the way that we were for years, I decided that for the ad rates and what other publications are offering for competitive levels of exposure in our market it just wasn't worth it anymore. Other miniscul issues are not worth even bringing to light. It sucks that I am evening writing all this on a public forum, but I really feel that this stuff needs to be addressed and the adult internet side needs to be given its due credit. If I'm wrong, then I'll take the heat.

Sad to see the 4 above go...how about most of the tradeshow dept. leaving too...what happened to half of that staff? Heck you call any dept. and you never talk to the same person twice it seems.

inthestars · 01-13-2006, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Internext-Renee

The AEE /CES thing is just too much for people. We want to get some distance between those events and Internext but March is too much distance. There are so many other shows in March/April. Believe it or not, we want to make it easier for people to do business, not harder. You just wouldn't know that by our actions lately. It's not all about money, but I can see how it may seem that way from your perspective. Honestly, we want to put on a show that is beneficial to our customers and make some profit at the same time.

It is too much for people. I really hated all the hookers and pimps hanging around the hotel, because of CES. Put Internext is a separate hotel please.

XPays · 01-13-2006, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by inthestars

It is too much for people. I really hated all the hookers and pimps hanging around the hotel, because of CES. Put Internext is a separate hotel please.

that's a normal thing in vegas even when all the "porn" people are not in town

FreeOnes · 01-13-2006, 01:12 AM

do it LATE JANUARY
thank you

Internext-Renee · 01-13-2006, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by FreeOnes

do it LATE JANUARY
thank you

I'm just logging on this morning. Thanks to everyone for the feedback throughout the night. I'll be here for a couple of hours......way sick. I'm going to have to go home early

I will check posts throughout the morning though. Thanks again for all the feedback. We will continue to work towards date/venue options in the January time frame. We don't want to crowd the spring time if there are already many events that you find beneficial. We'll see what we can come up with.....launch the poll within the next few weeks.....whatever the results are....that's what we'll go with. Majority rules.

Thanks again

seeric · 01-13-2006, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Internext-Renee

I'm just logging on this morning. Thanks to everyone for the feedback throughout the night. I'll be here for a couple of hours......way sick. I'm going to have to go home early

I will check posts throughout the morning though. Thanks again for all the feedback. We will continue to work towards date/venue options in the January time frame. We don't want to crowd the spring time if there are already many events that you find beneficial. We'll see what we can come up with.....launch the poll within the next few weeks.....whatever the results are....that's what we'll go with. Majority rules.

Thanks again

just like a few of the respected veterans said here, do not post a poll on GFY expecting results to help you make decisons. there are alot of posters here that do not go to shows, do not physically interact with people, and can easily skew your perception of what the people with the real money are actually thinking about internext. to say that there are some "undesirables" here on GFY would be an understatement. i'd do what John said and poll your advertisers and people that have exhibited in the last five years or so as well as attendees.

here is my suggestion. EMAIL your current advertisers, past advertisers, current exhibitors, past exhibitors, past and present show attendees for the INTERNEXT side of your biz model. set up a page on the avn online website with a polling database with your questions and surveys that you want to take.

in addition, call all of those people that spend the money to exhibit, especially the ones that exhibited this year. they are the ones that will have the best input. your exhibitors are the ones that need to be heard first, then attendees. both are expect roi on attending the show. there are companies that have had booths at every vegas internext since 99 when i went to my first one. talk to those people. because some of these companies have different people that set up the booth spaces and so on and so forth, if i were avn, i would find the person with the $. get the input from the actual person that is running the companies that shell out that money for the showfloor space. ask them specific questions. i definitely would not make it a combination survey/sales "hey wanna get a booth in florida" call.

take the time to listen. go back to the drawing board and then go to people once its been figured out. one of the main things that avn has always done when a problem comes up is try to fix it and make a sale in the same sentence. i hope you understand and receive what i am saying correctly and take it the right way, because alot of people wouldn't even take the time to write it or even put it out there like i am. this is 100% honesty and customer experience speaking here.

seeric · 01-13-2006, 09:05 AM

oh.

undesireables translates to those that just enjoy causing trouble on a message board becasue they know that no one will every see or meet them to call them out on it. renee may not know what trolls are. for renee: trolls are people that jsut act like schoolchildren for attention and to basically gremlinize things for no reason. kinda like little kids that do whatever the hell they want becasue they know that mommy and daddy won't discipline them. they actually enjoy throwing b.s. and instigation at serious issues knowing that they can negatively influence the results of the situation.

Internext-Renee · 01-13-2006, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

just like a few of the respected veterans said here, do not post a poll on GFY expecting results to help you make decisons. there are alot of posters here that do not go to shows, do not physically interact with people, and can easily skew your perception of what the people with the real money are actually thinking about internext. to say that there are some "undesirables" here on GFY would be an understatement. i'd do what John said and poll your advertisers and people that have exhibited in the last five years or so as well as attendees.

here is my suggestion. EMAIL your current advertisers, past advertisers, current exhibitors, past exhibitors, past and present show attendees for the INTERNEXT side of your biz model. set up a page on the avn online website with a polling database with your questions and surveys that you want to take.

in addition, call all of those people that spend the money to exhibit, especially the ones that exhibited this year. they are the ones that will have the best input. your exhibitors are the ones that need to be heard first, then attendees. both are expect roi on attending the show. there are companies that have had booths at every vegas internext since 99 when i went to my first one. talk to those people. because some of these companies have different people that set up the booth spaces and so on and so forth, if i were avn, i would find the person with the $. get the input from the actual person that is running the companies that shell out that money for the showfloor space. ask them specific questions. i definitely would not make it a combination survey/sales "hey wanna get a booth in florida" call.

take the time to listen. go back to the drawing board and then go to people once its been figured out. one of the main things that avn has always done when a problem comes up is try to fix it and make a sale in the same sentence. i hope you understand and receive what i am saying correctly and take it the right way, because alot of people wouldn't even take the time to write it or even put it out there like i am. this is 100% honesty and customer experience speaking here.

Yes, we are definately going to contact our current clients first. I just wanted to post A.S.A.P. on an immediate forum to let people know what was going on. Thanks again

emmanuelle · 01-13-2006, 09:56 AM

Kudos for taking the time to ask and then actually do something about it all.
Personally my vote is for the time slot immediately AFTER AEE, so that we can still do both if we want to, but the expense & inconvenience is less if we only attend internext. Without the overlap, we might not feel like the redheaded stepchild kept in the basement. By Jan 7th or so, life is back to normal.

Internext-Renee · 01-13-2006, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

Kudos for taking the time to ask and then actually do something about it all.
Personally my vote is for the time slot immediately AFTER AEE, so that we can still do both if we want to, but the expense & inconvenience is less if we only attend internext. Without the overlap, we might not feel like the redheaded stepchild kept in the basement. By Jan 7th or so, life is back to normal.

Thanks for the feedback. It's no fun to feel like you're on the back burner...drawbacks outweigh the benefits in that case.

d00t · 01-13-2006, 10:53 AM

Your partner cheats on you, makes you pay to see her and says sorry.
Do you take her back?

Don't be a pansy, use your feet and start walking. There are many more productive, cheaper and hastle-free shows around. Back in the day internext was the shit, but now it's nothing.

Wake up people!

d00t · 01-13-2006, 11:06 AM

For fun.. let's all do a search of gfy for "AVN, we're listening"

xxxice · 01-13-2006, 11:27 AM

Now they care about what we think what about a few weeks ago?

MaDalton · 01-13-2006, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

Kudos for taking the time to ask and then actually do something about it all.
Personally my vote is for the time slot immediately AFTER AEE, so that we can still do both if we want to, but the expense & inconvenience is less if we only attend internext. Without the overlap, we might not feel like the redheaded stepchild kept in the basement. By Jan 7th or so, life is back to normal.

either that or directly before AEE like last year. i'm one of those who likes to attend both - but wouldn't do it if i have to fly in from germany twice. i found last year perfect with one show after the other.

sperbonzo · 01-13-2006, 11:46 AM

Some major changes would have to occur for me to go back again to the vegas show. I've been going for 5 years now, but unless there are changes, I will not attend again. It seems to me that the Miami show in August will probably take over as the main show of the year, for the following reasons.

Everyone in the hotel is there as part of the business. Things are concentrated and focused. If you sit in one place in the lobby for 4 hours EVERYONE you want to talk to will wander by you at some point.

There are far fewer outside distractions that pull people away, and scatter them throughout the city.

We are welcomed by the hotel, and not made to feel unwanted, or as a freak show.

The costs overall are far less, and therefore everyone's ROI is much better. It also means that the smaller webmasters can afford ot attend, and they are a vital part of the industry.

The overall experience is much less stressful, less hectic, and less chaotic. This keeps people a little more relaxed and is a better enviroment for productive meetings and discussions.

These are just a few thoughts that come across my mind at first in reaction to this years vegas show. If AVN is truly serious about making some real changes, I may change my initial reaction of "never again", and re-examine the Vegas show.

Semi-Retired-Dave · 01-13-2006, 11:54 AM

Renee has always gone out of her way to make sure everyone is happy.
I can vouch for that for sure.

Thanks Renee,

After Shock Media · 01-13-2006, 12:27 PM

Having to attend both shows myself I am would also appreciate if the shows ran back to back. I do not care which is first or second personally, as long as there is at most only a day or two between the two shows.
Having to make two separate trips into Vegas during the same month would just be to much for myself and would end up being very costly.
I like them being in the same hotel but am not against them being in different hotels as well, moving from one to the other is not that big of an issue and is nowhere as bad as having to go to Vegas twice.

I know that AEE gets a big chunk of its attendance dollars from CES, though venue allowing I am sure that if it was scheduled so that the 2-3 fan days happen during the last few days of CES and then Internext followed AEE it would work out and be a great deal less crowded for Internext and the hotel rates would not be so outrageous to some.

I also feel that AVN should send comment cards to actual show attendees and exhibitors. I know I have never received one and have been attending both shows for some time.

I also would like to thank AVN for sort of making sure my companions ticket was comped as they said it would be pre-internext. It took me a couple hours to get it done as the person's name was not in the computer and the booth workers had no clue whatsoever, yet after finding someone with a little pull I was able to get it done as promised.

tony286 · 01-13-2006, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVNChris

If anyone needs anything whatsoever from the the Sales Department feel free to call, ICQ anytime. Edison, Farley and myself are committed to giving the best service and to all our clients and the entire community.

We spend an enormous amount of time making sure all of our current and potential clients are taken care of.

Thanks for making this thread constructive!

I just icqd you I have a few questions

amacontent · 01-13-2006, 12:51 PM

Why cant we do it the way it used to be..right before AVN.

tony286 · 01-13-2006, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Some major changes would have to occur for me to go back again to the vegas show. I've been going for 5 years now, but unless there are changes, I will not attend again. It seems to me that the Miami show in August will probably take over as the main show of the year, for the following reasons.

Everyone in the hotel is there as part of the business. Things are concentrated and focused. If you sit in one place in the lobby for 4 hours EVERYONE you want to talk to will wander by you at some point.

There are far fewer outside distractions that pull people away, and scatter them throughout the city.

We are welcomed by the hotel, and not made to feel unwanted, or as a freak show.

The costs overall are far less, and therefore everyone's ROI is much better. It also means that the smaller webmasters can afford ot attend, and they are a vital part of the industry.

The overall experience is much less stressful, less hectic, and less chaotic. This keeps people a little more relaxed and is a better enviroment for productive meetings and discussions.

These are just a few thoughts that come across my mind at first in reaction to this years vegas show. If AVN is truly serious about making some real changes, I may change my initial reaction of "never again", and re-examine the Vegas show.

Excellent post

V_RocKs · 01-13-2006, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradShaw

I am done with AVN shows, we have spent big $ with them over the years, they lost our business as well as many others.... so I hear.

Hahaha, gotta love your sig...

V_RocKs · 01-13-2006, 01:04 PM

I prefer Internext to be BEFORE the other show. AEE/AVN, what ever you guys call it.

This way we get cheaper rates on shit... but it doesn't matter about the cheaper rates because I always stay to attend the other show anyway...

But the Internext floor looked like a shop that was going out of business because it didn't have enough patrons and when I got home and asked people about where they were, they were at the other show getting their pictures with pornstars... or doing content deals...

Either way, no matter what they were doing there, it sucked at Internext... You really shouldn't have them run on the exact same days.

The Adult Broker · 01-13-2006, 01:08 PM

Hey Renee, thanks for all the hard work!

I've relayed my opinions and suggestions to AVN ... I hope 3rd time Internext shuffle is the charm

01-12-2006, 09:13 PM	#54
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01-12-2006, 09:31 PM	#56
PrintAdult Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Skype - PrintAdult Posts: 845	This sounds like a great idea. It was a move in the right direction to respond back to the comments that have been made regarding the show. The show just needs to have more of a florida atmosphere where it is easier to conduct business. I am thankful for the show since we did a great deal of business. __________________ http://PrintAdult.com PrintAdult V.2 Is Ready to Serve you for all of you Web Development and Printing Needs. AOL: PrintAdult ICQ: 348-008-895 Call Toll Free: 1.866.OK.Adult

01-12-2006, 09:48 PM	#59
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	I know Renee has a tough job- She does her job very well. However, if webmasters really want to send a message- they simply won't attend any more AVN shows- Polls and surveys are all bullshit- I like a lot of the opinions expressed here from webmasters who care. I still think that PHX will be the new mecca for adult webmasters- Why you ask? Everyone knows that the processors are what make this business run. CC BIll has tremendous marketshare when it comes to valuable webmasters. CC Bill knows who their clientele is,and they also know how to cater to them and make them feel special. CC Bill tastefully promotes their ocmpany as well as their sponsors who support the show- (ie They pick up sponsors in Bentley's from the airport, have seminars with company owners that are informative, and not a bunch of $30,000 a year employees hucking their wares, as well as they provide an environment that is condusive to relaxation and networking). Renee, if you want to appease webmasters and make them come back and fully support AVN and their tradeshows- you need to come to PHX and watch how a true industry giant does it. I am not taking any shots at you - You are a major asset for AVN. I think it's just time to re-examine the business model of a tradeshow in January during the craziest and most expensive time of the year. __________________ Last edited by TheGoldenChild; 01-12-2006 at 09:49 PM..

01-12-2006, 09:51 PM	#61
reed_4 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 9,640	wow, this is exciting news thanks for the info Renee. __________________ Last edited by reed_4; 01-12-2006 at 09:52 PM..

01-12-2006, 09:53 PM	#63
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	I am done with AVN shows, we have spent big $ with them over the years, they lost our business as well as many others.... so I hear. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

01-12-2006, 09:49 PM	#60
Fetish Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 823	It sounds like you have your ears open knowing that this show was not a good one at all. I'm sure some good business was done but attendance was surely down from what I saw. The hottest thing about the show floor IMO was the Poker tourney going on way in the back. You should move it to a more central location since it seems to be a staple at these shows now and brings fun to the floor. I even won a little money. :-) You should also get some hot sexy women back into that show. I know it is a businsess show but every malewebmaster loves to see the women, you know? I think that early February would be a good time or even late January but not earlier.

01-12-2006, 09:56 PM	#67
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,918	i think its a much smarter approach to send renee here to get the insight than throwing some poor guy from the video side that doesn't know anyone here to be eaten by the wolves. she handles it. she is doing a great job of taking in the input that has been posted so far. no offense to chris, but he is not the person to come and deal with this. 99% of his responses were in accordance to what he was instructed to do pre-show. "hey, can't wait to meet you", "lets get a drink". i am very happy to see renee here. she will either crack and lose her mind trying to fix it or be the hero and make the big changes. plain and simple. i wanted to spend money this year. i had huge promotional plans for the show and in stead bailed on them. it's the old adage, if you need something handled handle it yourself. she is the one who handles it, so speaking directly to her is probably the best thing to do. if no one listens after that, then what can you really do more?

01-12-2006, 10:16 PM	#71
chowda Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gooch city Posts: 9,527	just copy what happened to comdex: sell it to some ppl let them run it to the ground clear profit. just sell "internext" __________________ Someone finds you... 2007 PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.

01-12-2006, 10:33 PM	#74
BluMedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,964	I thinking moving it is a great idea, this year did not go well at all. I think late January would be perfect. I think doing it March would not go well at all. The Phoenix Forum is becoming very popular and is at the end of March. If you hold Internext in March most people are going to choose between the two I would think. Mark __________________ IntenseCash - If you can't convert us then you might want to look for a new job BSB.tv Check out our own TV show about Broke Straight Boys BrokeStraightBoys.com converting 1:124 stats counted by Nats

01-12-2006, 10:44 PM	#75
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Or she may turn out to be like the reps that Ibill sends here time to time. "Oh, what's the problem? Please tell me everything, I'm here to help!" "Okay, no problem. I'll try to pass that info along to get it rectified soon." "I'm going to dissappear now, I was only here to make you think we cared. Hope you fell for it, suckers!" Then the "rep" dissappears. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

01-12-2006, 10:45 PM	#76
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,379	Mid to late january or even february is fine. Don't try to compete with Phx forum, you'll lose my attendence and a lot more to boot by trying. WG __________________ I play with Google.

01-13-2006, 12:57 AM	#78
GF'DTosser Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3	Lots of People Bailing! [QUOTE=A1R3K]Agreed. Thank You for still showing here to address the issues. However, in the past year, you guys have lost 4 major players in the internet portion of your internet biz model. Jeff Random - Truely the best salesman AVN ever had in my honest opinon. Kimberly Aly Jennifer Johnson these 4 people had the "in" with the internet side of the business. All are now gone. One of the main reasons i personally do not actively advertise with avn online is because i had the best rep in the entire company, he left, along with some of the best of the rest that were left. Once jeff left, no one knew me from just a call book in a sales log. Is avn online still a viable outlet for adult online biz? Yes, i truly believe that. But without that personal rapport and interaction from people who really care to know you and take care of you the way that we were for years, I decided that for the ad rates and what other publications are offering for competitive levels of exposure in our market it just wasn't worth it anymore. Other miniscul issues are not worth even bringing to light. It sucks that I am evening writing all this on a public forum, but I really feel that this stuff needs to be addressed and the adult internet side needs to be given its due credit. If I'm wrong, then I'll take the heat. Sad to see the 4 above go...how about most of the tradeshow dept. leaving too...what happened to half of that staff? Heck you call any dept. and you never talk to the same person twice it seems.

01-13-2006, 01:12 AM	#81
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01-13-2006, 09:05 AM	#84
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,918	oh. undesireables translates to those that just enjoy causing trouble on a message board becasue they know that no one will every see or meet them to call them out on it. renee may not know what trolls are. for renee: trolls are people that jsut act like schoolchildren for attention and to basically gremlinize things for no reason. kinda like little kids that do whatever the hell they want becasue they know that mommy and daddy won't discipline them. they actually enjoy throwing b.s. and instigation at serious issues knowing that they can negatively influence the results of the situation.

01-13-2006, 09:56 AM	#86
emmanuelle Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Oh Canada! Posts: 3,662	Kudos for taking the time to ask and then actually do something about it all. Personally my vote is for the time slot immediately AFTER AEE, so that we can still do both if we want to, but the expense & inconvenience is less if we only attend internext. Without the overlap, we might not feel like the redheaded stepchild kept in the basement. By Jan 7th or so, life is back to normal. Last edited by emmanuelle; 01-13-2006 at 09:58 AM..

01-13-2006, 10:53 AM	#88
d00t Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your mind Posts: 3,766	Your partner cheats on you, makes you pay to see her and says sorry. Do you take her back? Don't be a pansy, use your feet and start walking. There are many more productive, cheaper and hastle-free shows around. Back in the day internext was the shit, but now it's nothing. Wake up people!

01-13-2006, 11:06 AM	#89
d00t Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your mind Posts: 3,766	For fun.. let's all do a search of gfy for "AVN, we're listening"

01-13-2006, 11:27 AM	#90
xxxice Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,042	Now they care about what we think what about a few weeks ago?

01-13-2006, 11:46 AM	#92
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,739	Some major changes would have to occur for me to go back again to the vegas show. I've been going for 5 years now, but unless there are changes, I will not attend again. It seems to me that the Miami show in August will probably take over as the main show of the year, for the following reasons. Everyone in the hotel is there as part of the business. Things are concentrated and focused. If you sit in one place in the lobby for 4 hours EVERYONE you want to talk to will wander by you at some point. There are far fewer outside distractions that pull people away, and scatter them throughout the city. We are welcomed by the hotel, and not made to feel unwanted, or as a freak show. The costs overall are far less, and therefore everyone's ROI is much better. It also means that the smaller webmasters can afford ot attend, and they are a vital part of the industry. The overall experience is much less stressful, less hectic, and less chaotic. This keeps people a little more relaxed and is a better enviroment for productive meetings and discussions. These are just a few thoughts that come across my mind at first in reaction to this years vegas show. If AVN is truly serious about making some real changes, I may change my initial reaction of "never again", and re-examine the Vegas show. __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber

01-13-2006, 11:54 AM	#93
Semi-Retired-Dave Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: LA Posts: 11,190	Renee has always gone out of her way to make sure everyone is happy. I can vouch for that for sure. Thanks Renee, __________________ Support a Good Cause

01-13-2006, 12:27 PM	#94
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	Having to attend both shows myself I am would also appreciate if the shows ran back to back. I do not care which is first or second personally, as long as there is at most only a day or two between the two shows. Having to make two separate trips into Vegas during the same month would just be to much for myself and would end up being very costly. I like them being in the same hotel but am not against them being in different hotels as well, moving from one to the other is not that big of an issue and is nowhere as bad as having to go to Vegas twice. I know that AEE gets a big chunk of its attendance dollars from CES, though venue allowing I am sure that if it was scheduled so that the 2-3 fan days happen during the last few days of CES and then Internext followed AEE it would work out and be a great deal less crowded for Internext and the hotel rates would not be so outrageous to some. I also feel that AVN should send comment cards to actual show attendees and exhibitors. I know I have never received one and have been attending both shows for some time. I also would like to thank AVN for sort of making sure my companions ticket was comped as they said it would be pre-internext. It took me a couple hours to get it done as the person's name was not in the computer and the booth workers had no clue whatsoever, yet after finding someone with a little pull I was able to get it done as promised. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

01-13-2006, 12:51 PM	#96
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01-13-2006, 01:04 PM	#99
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,310	I prefer Internext to be BEFORE the other show. AEE/AVN, what ever you guys call it. This way we get cheaper rates on shit... but it doesn't matter about the cheaper rates because I always stay to attend the other show anyway... But the Internext floor looked like a shop that was going out of business because it didn't have enough patrons and when I got home and asked people about where they were, they were at the other show getting their pictures with pornstars... or doing content deals... Either way, no matter what they were doing there, it sucked at Internext... You really shouldn't have them run on the exact same days.

01-13-2006, 01:08 PM	#100
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