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8 Characters · 01-06-2006, 09:58 AM

50 shitty event organizererers

jscott · 01-06-2006, 10:03 AM

that must be hell, hotels, cabs, etc etc

Peaches · 01-06-2006, 10:19 AM

I don't get in until tomorrow afternoon, I have a ride from the airport (thank you MattK!), going to dinner off the strip tomorrow night and the closest I'll get to the show is possibly hitting the V's circle bar Sat. night to see some old friend. Then when the hotel prices are decent and cabs are available, I'll be eating and drinking for a few days

Peaches · 01-06-2006, 10:21 AM

Oh, and rumor has it next year's show will be in March, back at Mandalay.

BradShaw · 01-06-2006, 10:59 AM

JMM + RRRED in the same thread brings memories of U2

Doctor Dre · 01-06-2006, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

This may sound harsh, but... How about everyone starts charging back fees for passes, badges, booths and whatever else that's been paid directly to AVN? That will certainly teach them not to fuck with people's hard-earned money and precious time.

This would be fraud... you can get in trouble for that

MetaMan · 01-06-2006, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

alienq invented crying babies.

the correct wording is:

alienqueer IS a crybaby.

JMM · 01-06-2006, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BradShaw

JMM + RRRED in the same thread brings memories of U2

Oh man, I just got a boner.

And it's NOT from Bono or the edge.

Good times.

Alex · 01-06-2006, 11:16 AM

I am not at the show, but i fail to see how AVN is responsible for the lack of people visiting booths. They set up the show, whose fault is it that not a lot of webmasters attended?

Tanker · 01-06-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

so..the same month as Phoenix? Interesting.

I think that will be the end of AVN's Internext because they dont even compare to how well CCbill puts on a show

Ron has it down and its hot! the Phoenix Forum is by far the best shows I have attended in the last 6 years

I didnt go to Vegas either it was sure to be a Monkey fuck this year.

AVN did wrong to Ellisa on a press release they wouldnt remove her full real name from. They lost my Business that day and will never get it back.

I am glad the people I like that worked there left I hate when your friends work for the most fucked up unethical company in the biz.

Costa Rica and Phoenix will be where we spend that money slotted for AVN
and it will cost about the same to go to both shows as it would have cost me to attend Internext!

Tanker · 01-06-2006, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

I am not at the show, but i fail to see how AVN is responsible for the lack of people visiting booths. They set up the show, whose fault is it that not a lot of webmasters attended?

Its totally thier fault for fucked up marketing of the show! when you get a booth and spend upwards of 100K as some companies do to attend you expect them to spend some of that 100K on getting webmasters to attend the shows.

AVN is just sucking the money out of webmasters pockets and not returning shit over the last few years.

JMM · 01-06-2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

I am not at the show, but i fail to see how AVN is responsible for the lack of people visiting booths. They set up the show, whose fault is it that not a lot of webmasters attended?

It is their fault for scheduling the show at the same time as their other show AND CES, thus spreading focus too thin, taxing resources, and allowing the hotels to jack up the room rates to ridiculous levels.

Toolz · 01-06-2006, 11:26 AM

JFK,

Sounds like you're the only one having fun, though I have to disagree with you on attendance, just because a place like Rum Jungle is packed doesn't mean there's a lot of people attending the show. However, that said we didn't bother doing anything for this show, we are focusing our time and $ on the Phoenix show along with an upcoming Canadian show this summer.

GlydeGirl · 01-06-2006, 11:29 AM

I'm really dismayed to see this year's show fall apart. My sincerest sympathies to all the webmasters and companies who will be losing money this year!

JMM · 01-06-2006, 11:29 AM

IF AVN were smart, they could save just a little face by immediately announcing that a pass to either show gets you into both.

On a side note, IF your aunt had balls, she would be your uncle.

clickclickclick · 01-06-2006, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JMM

On a side note, IF your aunt had balls, she would be your uncle.

DamageX · 01-06-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

This would be fraud... you can get in trouble for that

I fail to see how charging back a fee for something you were promised, but didn't get, can be fraud.

Doctor Dre · 01-06-2006, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

I am not at the show, but i fail to see how AVN is responsible for the lack of people visiting booths. They set up the show, whose fault is it that not a lot of webmasters attended?

Ugh !?! Ok ... I'ma promoter. I'l setup a blink 41 concert at the same time a offpsring and a rolling stone concert is in a small town that can't handle all 3.

Also, most of the people will have to fly in, and pay 3 times as much for hotel rooms.

It's their mistakes that made the show small ... and the advertisers are the one paying the note.

Doctor Dre · 01-06-2006, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

I fail to see how charging back a fee for something you were promised, but didn't get, can be fraud.

Unless there is something that state there is a minimum ammount of people that gotta come to your booth was written in the contract, I fail to see how they promesed something.

Cyndalie · 01-06-2006, 12:41 PM

This just reinforces my belief that money marketing to webmasters is best spent online at resource sites and boards, even if ithe ROI isn't immediate at least you get longer exposure to more people in the long run, and it's less taxing on your resources. We get more webmasters to our sites in one day than an entire AVN show (and many of our competitor sites do as well). With targeted online marketing and prudent show exposure through solid repesentatives at regional show I feel many adult companies have had a forumla for success. You can't put all your eggs in one basket, ever.

Kimmykim · 01-06-2006, 12:49 PM

March at Mandalay?

I guess the show wars are beginning, only this time instead of AVN and Cybernet, it will be AVN and CCBill...

Wonder how soon CCBill might decide to add a second show to their lineup? Probably not in Phoenix, but I'll bet something emerges soon... ;)

Donny · 01-06-2006, 01:17 PM

First of all, the AVN show is pretty packed. Internext is tucked off somewhere and many people THINK they're going to Internext when they're really in the AVN area.

Secondly, Internext is indeed tiny this year. And quiet. But I looked at Belinda and said, "I kinda like this... I feel like people are actually talking to me instead of just spewing out words as they watch the floor to see who else is walking by". So it's less traffic but better service, in my opinion.

The crowds are kinda fun. And the parties are great! Should they have scheduled it on different weeks? Surely. But I'm still having a good time.

Honez · 01-06-2006, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

so..the same month as Phoenix? Interesting.

That's what I was thinking. Unless Phoenix moves it to later in April. I know which one I will still be going to though. I love the Phoenix Forum

Donny · 01-06-2006, 01:18 PM

But AVN... on a side note: make me choose between you and Phoenix and you'll lose every time. March at Mandalay does not sound good to me at all. I'll be seeing CCBill and my ol' buddy Steve Lightspeed!

Rexk · 01-06-2006, 01:29 PM

Phoenix Forum is always the same weekend as the NCAA Final Four...some webmasters are sports fans for Christ Sakes

Kimmykim · 01-06-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rexk

Phoenix Forum is always the same weekend as the NCAA Final Four...some webmasters are sports fans for Christ Sakes

Yep, and there are 25 flights daily from Phoenix to Vegas, if not more... those flights last under an hour. Plenty of webmasters, myself included, have left Phx for Vegas either on Saturday afternoon to catch the Saturday evening games, or on Sunday afternoon to be there for the finals on Monday.

Happens every year ;)

pornguy · 01-06-2006, 01:37 PM

Now you know why I dont feel so bad about not going to those shows.

Sarah_Jayne · 01-06-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Honez

That's what I was thinking. Unless Phoenix moves it to later in April. I know which one I will still be going to though. I love the Phoenix Forum

Ditto..as much as I would enjoy going to both it is a long way for me to fly so there is one major show a year for me. I did Phoenix last year and it was the first event I had been to where I felt really comfortable, felt it was largely for professionals, represented both the straight and gay markets and there weren't as many non-industry 'booth girls' but there were a lot of women that run their own sites which was refreshing. I suppose what I am trying to say is there was a greater sense of community at the CCBill show. Plus, the seminars were actually interesting.

So, it will take something special for me to pick another show over Phoenix.

boneprone · 01-06-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimmykim

March at Mandalay?

I guess the show wars are beginning, only this time instead of AVN and Cybernet, it will be AVN and CCBill...

Wonder how soon CCBill might decide to add a second show to their lineup? Probably not in Phoenix, but I'll bet something emerges soon... ;)

I agree.

ANd lets not forget Webmaster Access as well.

clickclickclick · 01-06-2006, 05:44 PM

they should just sell internext to some company and cut their losses

Theo · 01-06-2006, 05:47 PM

so,what are the main reasons people didn't attend it this year? I know several people that spent a lot of adv. money on it and they were counting big time.

davidd · 01-06-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hue G. Pness

The shows have not been good for a few years. Mostly a bunch of fat drunk slobs stalking the floor for pictures with hired models and begging for free shirts. The show is good outside the show floor though. Smaller parties and invite only events. The show floor itself is just a headache.

No need to slam SleazyDream, that was uncalled for.

RawAlex · 01-06-2006, 06:03 PM

Well, here goes:

The show ofganizers are always responsible directly or indirectly (depending on circumstance) for the attendance to a show - and specifically attendance on the show floor. Over the years, more and more of the business is done in social settings, bars, private parties, VIP lounges, and what not. They are not done on the show floor because the bigger roller players and company owners go off into the private to do whatever business acts they need to do, and cannot be found. Vegas is big, babeeeeeeee, and it's easy for these guys to go away and never be seen.

Add to the deal that Vegas runs all day all night, party til noon, many many people just never make it to the show floor, just basically doing a 3 or 4 day cycle or party all night, sleep most of the day, and do again.

Miami works because everyone is in one place, and sooner or later, you will see pretty much all of the major players either on the show floor or by the pool or around the hotel.

I think AVN shifted the dates to March because even before the doors opened for this year, they realized and understood that they had made a fairly serious (but unavoidable) error moving the show onto the same dates as the video show. I have attended every IA2000 / Internext show since... hmm... Monte Carlo? Orlando? Anyway... I am not there this year, many of the people I know who attend are not there this year. I could not justify what would have been $4k to come down from Canada stay 5 or 6 days, eat, play, party, and whatnot. I am sure others are int he same boat.

Don't run away from AVN, but vote clearly and loudly with all you got: "this isn't the show we want".

Alex

MichaelP · 01-11-2006, 09:35 AM

Against all odd, I must say that the show have been good for us finally, I had the chance to meet the ones I wanted to and also I got undivided attention of some big guys for few minutes.

The thing I'm still unsure thought it is about the dates for 2007... Especially at the Bay. I hate this hotel

PLUS : Ususally I fly once to Vegas in January and I do 2 events (Intx & Avn). Now I have to choose for wich event I will fly there next year, January for Avn or March for Intx... Tuff choice in my case. Maybe I won't fly at all and some will do the same and will decide to go to Phoenix...

AVN, don't get me wrong I still love you guys, but you should listen better to what webmasters/companies want.... They are your customers after all...

We are also runing a show (smaller of course) QWEBEC Expo, and as we often say to guys who are asking for question or do special recommendation, "This is YOUR show guys! We are just putting the pieces together"....

The best scenario was 3 year ago... 3 days of Intx, then 4 days of Avn, side by side halls with no crossover days... They should have scheduled the Intx show AFTER the AVN this year, so they could have their CES fans at the Avn show and also some Web ppl like me at both Intx and AVN like I do for several years now...

I have the feeling that this year I did 50% of Intx and 50% of Avn

01-06-2006, 10:59 AM	#55
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01-06-2006, 11:16 AM	#59
Alex So Fucking Banned (YEA!!) Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 10,963	I am not at the show, but i fail to see how AVN is responsible for the lack of people visiting booths. They set up the show, whose fault is it that not a lot of webmasters attended? __________________ Care about me? Who? Me! Who?

01-06-2006, 12:41 PM	#70
Cyndalie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 3,615	This just reinforces my belief that money marketing to webmasters is best spent online at resource sites and boards, even if ithe ROI isn't immediate at least you get longer exposure to more people in the long run, and it's less taxing on your resources. We get more webmasters to our sites in one day than an entire AVN show (and many of our competitor sites do as well). With targeted online marketing and prudent show exposure through solid repesentatives at regional show I feel many adult companies have had a forumla for success. You can't put all your eggs in one basket, ever. __________________ Cyndalie Marketing Director StoriesTraffic.com

01-06-2006, 01:29 PM	#75
Rexk Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 704	Phoenix Forum is always the same weekend as the NCAA Final Four...some webmasters are sports fans for Christ Sakes __________________

01-06-2006, 01:37 PM	#77
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01-06-2006, 09:58 AM	#51
8 Characters So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: This month's character: Dirty Franck Posts: 2,336	50 shitty event organizererers

01-06-2006, 10:03 AM	#52
jscott So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Taipei Posts: 25,198	that must be hell, hotels, cabs, etc etc

01-06-2006, 10:19 AM	#53
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	I don't get in until tomorrow afternoon, I have a ride from the airport (thank you MattK!), going to dinner off the strip tomorrow night and the closest I'll get to the show is possibly hitting the V's circle bar Sat. night to see some old friend. Then when the hotel prices are decent and cabs are available, I'll be eating and drinking for a few days

01-06-2006, 10:21 AM	#54
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	Oh, and rumor has it next year's show will be in March, back at Mandalay.

01-06-2006, 11:26 AM	#63
Toolz Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Podunk Posts: 690	JFK, Sounds like you're the only one having fun, though I have to disagree with you on attendance, just because a place like Rum Jungle is packed doesn't mean there's a lot of people attending the show. However, that said we didn't bother doing anything for this show, we are focusing our time and $ on the Phoenix show along with an upcoming Canadian show this summer.

01-06-2006, 11:29 AM	#64
GlydeGirl Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,516	I'm really dismayed to see this year's show fall apart. My sincerest sympathies to all the webmasters and companies who will be losing money this year!

01-06-2006, 11:29 AM	#65
JMM Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,755	IF AVN were smart, they could save just a little face by immediately announcing that a pass to either show gets you into both. On a side note, IF your aunt had balls, she would be your uncle.

01-06-2006, 12:49 PM	#71
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	March at Mandalay? I guess the show wars are beginning, only this time instead of AVN and Cybernet, it will be AVN and CCBill... Wonder how soon CCBill might decide to add a second show to their lineup? Probably not in Phoenix, but I'll bet something emerges soon... ;)

01-06-2006, 01:17 PM	#72
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	First of all, the AVN show is pretty packed. Internext is tucked off somewhere and many people THINK they're going to Internext when they're really in the AVN area. Secondly, Internext is indeed tiny this year. And quiet. But I looked at Belinda and said, "I kinda like this... I feel like people are actually talking to me instead of just spewing out words as they watch the floor to see who else is walking by". So it's less traffic but better service, in my opinion. The crowds are kinda fun. And the parties are great! Should they have scheduled it on different weeks? Surely. But I'm still having a good time.

01-06-2006, 01:18 PM	#74
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	But AVN... on a side note: make me choose between you and Phoenix and you'll lose every time. March at Mandalay does not sound good to me at all. I'll be seeing CCBill and my ol' buddy Steve Lightspeed!

01-06-2006, 05:44 PM	#80
clickclickclick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,227	they should just sell internext to some company and cut their losses __________________ if you need more than 3 clicks to get to a join page, something is wrong ;) p.s. i still bring the sales whores here.

01-06-2006, 05:47 PM	#81
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	so,what are the main reasons people didn't attend it this year? I know several people that spent a lot of adv. money on it and they were counting big time.

01-06-2006, 06:03 PM	#83
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Well, here goes: The show ofganizers are always responsible directly or indirectly (depending on circumstance) for the attendance to a show - and specifically attendance on the show floor. Over the years, more and more of the business is done in social settings, bars, private parties, VIP lounges, and what not. They are not done on the show floor because the bigger roller players and company owners go off into the private to do whatever business acts they need to do, and cannot be found. Vegas is big, babeeeeeeee, and it's easy for these guys to go away and never be seen. Add to the deal that Vegas runs all day all night, party til noon, many many people just never make it to the show floor, just basically doing a 3 or 4 day cycle or party all night, sleep most of the day, and do again. Miami works because everyone is in one place, and sooner or later, you will see pretty much all of the major players either on the show floor or by the pool or around the hotel. I think AVN shifted the dates to March because even before the doors opened for this year, they realized and understood that they had made a fairly serious (but unavoidable) error moving the show onto the same dates as the video show. I have attended every IA2000 / Internext show since... hmm... Monte Carlo? Orlando? Anyway... I am not there this year, many of the people I know who attend are not there this year. I could not justify what would have been $4k to come down from Canada stay 5 or 6 days, eat, play, party, and whatnot. I am sure others are int he same boat. Don't run away from AVN, but vote clearly and loudly with all you got: "this isn't the show we want". Alex

01-11-2006, 09:35 AM	#84
MichaelP Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: QWEBEC Corporate Office Posts: 7,124	Against all odd, I must say that the show have been good for us finally, I had the chance to meet the ones I wanted to and also I got undivided attention of some big guys for few minutes. The thing I'm still unsure thought it is about the dates for 2007... Especially at the Bay. I hate this hotel PLUS : Ususally I fly once to Vegas in January and I do 2 events (Intx & Avn). Now I have to choose for wich event I will fly there next year, January for Avn or March for Intx... Tuff choice in my case. Maybe I won't fly at all and some will do the same and will decide to go to Phoenix... AVN, don't get me wrong I still love you guys, but you should listen better to what webmasters/companies want.... They are your customers after all... We are also runing a show (smaller of course) QWEBEC Expo, and as we often say to guys who are asking for question or do special recommendation, "This is YOUR show guys! We are just putting the pieces together".... The best scenario was 3 year ago... 3 days of Intx, then 4 days of Avn, side by side halls with no crossover days... They should have scheduled the Intx show AFTER the AVN this year, so they could have their CES fans at the Avn show and also some Web ppl like me at both Intx and AVN like I do for several years now... I have the feeling that this year I did 50% of Intx and 50% of Avn