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Fucksakes · 12-23-2005, 01:35 AM

man I suck at this haha (400 and a sig spot attempt #3)

MetaMan · 12-23-2005, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultMegaCash

Haha I agree man, sometimes trying to have a debate gets the best of me. I think I will take your advice as you do have the best sig ever in GFY history and leave this one be. I am sure there will be a resolve and it will be back to business.

If anyone would like to get any business going, would like to carry this conversation further, or bullshit about anything else please feel free to icq me at 703 032

I AM HUNGLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

theking · 12-23-2005, 01:36 AM

I don't have a dog in this fight...but will say that I have zero use for spammers. It is my understanding that they are criminals...and I have even less use for criminals.

Webby · 12-23-2005, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

sorry you had to endure my entire ramble, i just hate when people say something is sent and it's not

Totally agree sam... can't stand bullshitters that make promises and don't keep to them. We got enough hassle without that. If there is a problem - it's easy just to say, so folks know where they stand and can maybe cover it.

Hell... it's getting like an iBill thread!!!

sonofsam · 12-23-2005, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultMegaCash

And you are right time is money, so Bdjuf taking the time to meet Chris face to face will get him money.

Whos going to pay him for the time he spent chasing the 8 grand?

Whos going to pay that even after 5 months of chasing the 8 grand, hes still back at square 1 looking for a host and then however long it takes them to set up another 20 servers?

Whos going to pay him for the time he has to spend getting on a plane and flying into the states, dealing with all the customs bullshit, to go collect the 8 grand he shouldn't even have to be chasing in the first place?

in the end, this will have cost him 7-8 months to get resolved and get back on track...

would you be happy if someone halted your entire opperation 8 months, and then refunded you after that and sent you on your merry way back at square 1?

again i can only talk based on what has been said in this thread, but since split isn't addressing anything bdjuf has said, that's what it looks like to me

Shoehorn! · 12-23-2005, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by riddler

foundry nap part 2 ACTION!

*rolls the camera*

phonesex · 12-23-2005, 01:37 AM

Wow! Not going to read past the first page but splitfinity is fucked up!

AdultMegaCash · 12-23-2005, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

I AM HUNGLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

the Shemp · 12-23-2005, 01:38 AM

darksoul · 12-23-2005, 01:38 AM

Split doesn't look good with every reply.
And having adultmegacash blindly keeping their side makes it worse.

split_joel · 12-23-2005, 01:39 AM

I agree with people that have their own opinions and second off no offense but all I see you do at shows is try to get pictures with girls three times younger then you.

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Originally Posted by baddog

Listen up idiot. I go to shows to have fun and conduct business. That is why you will see me hanging out with program owners and 19 year old girls.

I have no need or desire to hang out with fat 19 year old techs. Nothing against you, but you have nothing to offer. I have read your posts and know enough about you to know that we have nothing in common, and you are the type that will never listen to others unless they are saying what you want to hear.

Piece of advice, learn from your mistakes, but whenever possible, learn from the mistakes of others.

Now, if you can figure out what I am referring to you can thank me now, or come up to me in 3 years and tell me I was right.

AdultMegaCash · 12-23-2005, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

Whos going to pay him for the time he spent chasing the 8 grand?

Whos going to pay that even after 5 months of chasing the 8 grand, hes still back at square 1 looking for a host and then however long it takes them to set up another 20 servers?

Whos going to pay him for the time he has to spend getting on a plane and flying into the states, dealing with all the customs bullshit, to go collect the 8 grand he shouldn't even have to be chasing in the first place?

in the end, this will have cost him 7-8 months to get resolved and get back on track...

would you be happy if someone halted your entire opperation 8 months, and then refunded you after that and sent you on your merry way back at square 1?

again i can only talk based on what has been said in this thread, but since split isn't addressing anything bdjuf has said, that's what it looks like to me

You are only looking at it from one side of the story and not two. I can type up a bunch of reasons as well, but at the end of the day it means nothing except to Bdjuf and Split.

Cheers to someone else actually saying something more then sig spot

SplitInfinity · 12-23-2005, 01:41 AM

Joel, baddog is cool, I dont think he means it personal.
You know your value dude, no need to defend it. As long
as you know what you are worth you are good. He doesnt
know you. He is alright. I have known him for years.

baddog · 12-23-2005, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by split_joel

I dont really care you did not say a word to me

Then why cry about it?

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its the fact you look down on everything i say or post.

Maybe because everytime you open your mouth you say something stupid?

split_joel · 12-23-2005, 01:42 AM

anywyas baddog maybe someday I will come to you and say you are right but for now, we may have nothing in common but you know nothing about me just like I know nothing about you, so instead of sitting here saying shit to me, and in end pissing me off so i talk shit to you, why dont we both drop it, or talk for 5 minutes and find shit about each other to really talk about.

AdultMegaCash · 12-23-2005, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

Whos going to pay him for the time he spent chasing the 8 grand?

Whos going to pay that even after 5 months of chasing the 8 grand, hes still back at square 1 looking for a host and then however long it takes them to set up another 20 servers?

Whos going to pay him for the time he has to spend getting on a plane and flying into the states, dealing with all the customs bullshit, to go collect the 8 grand he shouldn't even have to be chasing in the first place?

in the end, this will have cost him 7-8 months to get resolved and get back on track...

would you be happy if someone halted your entire opperation 8 months, and then refunded you after that and sent you on your merry way back at square 1?

again i can only talk based on what has been said in this thread, but since split isn't addressing anything bdjuf has said, that's what it looks like to me

Wait until you get an affiliate or two who pull a card scam, or run up a ton of chargebacks and you terminate their account and they come after you bitching about the money over and over again, that they did nothing wrong, that they sent clean traffic and etc. You will look at this a little differently

sonofsam · 12-23-2005, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultMegaCash

You are only looking at it from one side of the story and not two. I can type up a bunch of reasons as well, but at the end of the day it means nothing except to Bdjuf and Split.

Cheers to someone else actually saying something more then sig spot

Exactly.. i'm looking at it from one side only, that's why it's in chris's best interest to share his

It would have been better if he didn't say anything at all, then to come in this thread and say "Yah i fucked him over, if he wants to resolve it.. fly out and talk to me face to face"

Not a very reasonable solution

Holly · 12-23-2005, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

I don't have a dog in this fight...but will say that I have zero use for spammers. It is my understanding that they are criminals...and I have even less use for criminals.

I'm mailing fake university/school diplomas right now. I think they also do fake death certificates. Leave me your email addy and I'll hook you up.

Fucksakes · 12-23-2005, 01:46 AM

congrats on your 35k baddog.

AdultMegaCash · 12-23-2005, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

Exactly.. i'm looking at it from one side only, that's why it's in chris's best interest to share his

It would have been better if he didn't say anything at all, then to come in this thread and say "Yah i fucked him over, if he wants to resolve it.. fly out and talk to me face to face"

Not a very reasonable solution

I find it very reasonable that he is willing to fly to Canada meet with Bdjuf face to face and resolve the issue. He owes nothing to GFY to post his side of the story. What matters is what happens when they meet and them walking away both being happy.

After that happens I am sure there will be a nice it's all good I love Split post.

sonofsam · 12-23-2005, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultMegaCash

Wait until you get an affiliate or two who pull a card scam, or run up a ton of chargebacks and you terminate their account and they come after you bitching about the money over and over again, that they did nothing wrong, that they sent clean traffic and etc. You will look at this a little differently

I've had someone attempt fraud before, i terminated his account, refunded all the joins... and if he would have a problem with it and bring it to the boards, i would post paycoms phone number and have them explain the situation to him.

wouldn't really be much room for him to argue about what is right and what is wrong

Doctor Dre · 12-23-2005, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultMegaCash

Wait until you get an affiliate or two who pull a card scam, or run up a ton of chargebacks and you terminate their account and they come after you bitching about the money over and over again, that they did nothing wrong, that they sent clean traffic and etc. You will look at this a little differently

Except if you accept that your affiliate have a very high risk ... and charge him a little more unless he do a really high volume ;)

baddog · 12-23-2005, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by split_joel

I agree with people that have their own opinions and second off no offense but all I see you do at shows is try to get pictures with girls three times younger then you.

Let's see . . . . you have been to how many shows? Two? Do yourself a favor and shut up. You have no idea what I do.

As far as the pictures of me and young girls, it isn't like I am putting a gun to their head.

Let's see if you can do it at my age . . . if you make it that far.

sonofsam · 12-23-2005, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultMegaCash

I find it very reasonable that he is willing to fly to Canada meet with Bdjuf face to face and resolve the issue.

You're right, him flying UP TO CANADA would be reasonable... that's why i suggested he do that instead of offering to fly bdjuf down... but i guess i skipped over where split offered to come up to canada?

AdultMegaCash · 12-23-2005, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

Except if you accept that your affiliate have a very high risk ... and charge him a little more unless he do a really high volume ;)

shhhh don't say something that makes sense

latinasojourn · 12-23-2005, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by split_joel

Regardless of anything, I have nothing agaist bdjuff or his partner nor do i want to get inovled but what I would like to say is that we did indeed have more then 4 boxes up actually we had 12 up in the first week and no more then a day later they managed to get 8 of them compromised end result, with the 4 boxes they had or the 3 they had already owned i do not remeber one of them was ethier hacked and or they were sending out spam, and I do not judge let them do what they do, but in the end they ended up getting a hole class c blocked from our network, and caused us alot of grief. As I said, I do not hate bdjuf and him and I have talked and we get along but the truth should be told.

yep. i must be clarivoyant.

Webby · 12-23-2005, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultMegaCash

Wait until you get an affiliate or two who pull a card scam, or run up a ton of chargebacks and you terminate their account and they come after you bitching about the money over and over again, that they did nothing wrong, that they sent clean traffic and etc. You will look at this a little differently

There is hardly a comparison with petty affilate scammers being a pain in the ass.

We have the "XBiz host of the year" promising to deliver X severs and then fails.

We then have a claim of spamming - with no evidence provided.

We then have several agreements to pay, which also fail.

Tho... that does smell like utter bullshit you would get from an affiliate scammer.

SplitInfinity · 12-23-2005, 01:49 AM

AMC is posting his opinion. I literally just met the guy a few weeks ago.
I appreciate his level headed comments....... In fact I am proud to host him.
:-)

Its funny how the same people hating on me in this thread are the same few who always do. Should I investigate your affiliations? LOL

Its all good. Think what you will think, but in the end, bdjuff and I will ride off into the sunset as friends again. I already know what I am willing to do..... just waiting to talk to him. He made this public, however in the end, its between him and I, and the board? Well I always love the court of public opinion, it shows me how people think.
Its always good to understand people.
We should rename GFY to The Human Ant Farm.

:-)
Peace.

baddog · 12-23-2005, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Fucksakes

congrats on your 35k baddog.

Damn . . . wasted it arguing with some punk kid.

TIme to get back to work.

AdultMegaCash · 12-23-2005, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

You're right, him flying UP TO CANADA would be reasonable... that's why i suggested he do that instead of offering to fly bdjuf down... but i guess i skipped over where split offered to come up to canada?

Yes he offered twice I believe. I think it's nice people want to meet face to face and settle it in that fashion then to duke it out on the boards trying to see who can damage who the worst. Neither owe it to GFY to post anything at all.

Bdjuf did what he had to do, and now a resolve is offered.

xNetworx · 12-23-2005, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Damn . . . wasted it arguing with some punk kid.

TIme to get back to work.

He looks more like a linebacker than a kid

.:St Ides:. · 12-23-2005, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Webby

There is hardly a comparison with petty affilate scammers being a pain in the ass.

We have the "XBiz host of the year" promising to deliver X severs and then fails.

We then have a claim of spamming - with no evidence provided.

We then have several agreements to pay, which also fail.

Tho... that does smell like utter bullshit you would get from an affiliate scammer.

Yes very true, I don't think they need to post proof of the spam here, that's between the two of them.

I do agree making the promise of the payment was wrong, and I have said a few times it is wrong.

The point I was trying to make to Sam is that there are two sides and I believe a company like Split would have to have reason to do what they did. Was it right, no. Does it appear that it will get resolved, yes.

Tempest · 12-23-2005, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultMegaCash

How are they scammers? Chris is offering to meet and make it right..

ummm. What part of Chris being a lier makes you think he's ever going to make it right?

A. He said they'd have all the servers up in 3 days.. They didn't.. Took weeks...

B. Chris says they were "fined", but when asked to provide proof, never has.

C. Chris agreed to refund the $8k... he lied again and didn't refund the money...

D. Chris agreed to refund part of the money, $8k minus half the "fine". He lied, never has.

E. He said he wired the money. He lied, wire has never been received.

So basically, Chris will lie to a customer when it suits him. Just because you've had a good relationship with him up until this point means nothing. Tomorrow YOU could be the one getting fuked over.

Oh.. And Chris confirmed that this info is correct and that yes, he is fucking the guy over.

Regardless of all the "other secret info" he may have and shares with a few people, none of that changes these facts, nor would it really make it acceptable business pratice.

Doctor Dre · 12-23-2005, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultMegaCash

shhhh don't say something that makes sense

They knew somewhat what they were getting into . Anyways it will be them to sit down together and settle the whole thing . the secure IM would be the fastest and safest way to do it .

.:St Ides:. · 12-23-2005, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SplitInfinity

AMC is posting his opinion. I literally just met the guy a few weeks ago.
I appreciate his level headed comments....... In fact I am proud to host him.
:-)

Its funny how the same people hating on me in this thread are the same few who always do. Should I investigate your affiliations? LOL

Its all good. Think what you will think, but in the end, bdjuff and I will ride off into the sunset as friends again. I already know what I am willing to do..... just waiting to talk to him. He made this public, however in the end, its between him and I, and the board? Well I always love the court of public opinion, it shows me how people think.
Its always good to understand people.
We should rename GFY to The Human Ant Farm.

:-)
Peace.

Doctor Dre · 12-23-2005, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby

There is hardly a comparison with petty affilate scammers being a pain in the ass.

We have the "XBiz host of the year" promising to deliver X severs and then fails.

We then have a claim of spamming - with no evidence provided.

We then have several agreements to pay, which also fail.

Tho... that does smell like utter bullshit you would get from an affiliate scammer.

It's not really like bdjuf is hiding what he's doing ... they knew about it too... almost every host out there do that kind of shit this is nothing unusual.

theking · 12-23-2005, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Damn . . . wasted it arguing with some punk kid.

TIme to get back to work.

I used to like kids...well let me put that a different way...I didn't dislike kids but thanks to GFY I have a distinct dislike for kids now.

sonofsam · 12-23-2005, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultMegaCash

Bdjuf did what he had to do, and now a resolve is offered.

at what cost though? 8 months?

toddler · 12-23-2005, 01:54 AM

its like the energizer post....

Walrus · 12-23-2005, 01:55 AM

Is that Twisty girl single, Mr. Dean?

AdultMegaCash · 12-23-2005, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SplitInfinity

AMC is posting his opinion. I literally just met the guy a few weeks ago.
I appreciate his level headed comments....... In fact I am proud to host him.
:-)

Its funny how the same people hating on me in this thread are the same few who always do. Should I investigate your affiliations? LOL

Its all good. Think what you will think, but in the end, bdjuff and I will ride off into the sunset as friends again. I already know what I am willing to do..... just waiting to talk to him. He made this public, however in the end, its between him and I, and the board? Well I always love the court of public opinion, it shows me how people think.
Its always good to understand people.
We should rename GFY to The Human Ant Farm.

:-)
Peace.

Thanks Chris, yes it's true we just met recently. But, split did step up and do me right in a crazy situation. Is it having an influence on what I am saying not at all. What I was trying to do was bring up points for people to discuss.

MrJackMeHoff · 12-23-2005, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SplitInfinity

Well, ya know, if he came here I would pay for it all...
I suppose we can do it over secure IM.

You guys, some of you, I mean come on now.... you take cheap shots on issues
you dont know about. Go ahead read into things and make a movie out of it.
I really dont care much because I respect myself and my decisions.

When I said "I fucked him over", there are specific reasons which are none of the
publics business. I did not lie about anything however one thing led to another and
thats his perception of the matter. No sweat, this will be worked out.

I dont want to "win" this match, I want it to be fair.
The reason for a face to face is because I think we owe it to eachother to
make things straight, and the respectable man does this sort of negotiation in person.
Whatever, it was an idea. Just trying to settle a valid arguement between two friends who are in a pickle right now.

I will not post details as to why this transpired to protect those involved.
I will come to an reasonable settlement on this with BDJuff.
I will NOT talk to his partner. Him and I do not get along.

You are a good guy man, you deserve the full treatment.
Your post is cool with me because in the end everyone will be happy.

Happy Holidays to all except wdsguy. LOL (had to do that, lol, love love love)

Hers the facts regardless..

You knew he would mail.
You took his money.
You got in trouble..
You want him to pay for your mistake.
You lied and fucked em over hoping he would give up
You now backpeddle and still look like an ass

Outcome = YOU SUCK

theking · 12-23-2005, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by .:St Ides:.

Hmm...is this a case of multiple nicks? If so...isn't that against the rules of this board?

Webby · 12-23-2005, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

I used to like kids...well let me put that a different way...I didn't dislike kids but thanks to GFY I have a distinct dislike for kids now.

That sounds kinda....... half baked.

I thought it was just foreign trash you didn't like.

Doctor Dre · 12-23-2005, 01:58 AM

Anyways now I really gotta go to sleep... this was interesting. good luck to both parties involved.

sonofsam · 12-23-2005, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

ummm. What part of Chris being a lier makes you think he's ever going to make it right?

A. He said they'd have all the servers up in 3 days.. They didn't.. Took weeks...

B. Chris says they were "fined", but when asked to provide proof, never has.

C. Chris agreed to refund the $8k... he lied again and didn't refund the money...

D. Chris agreed to refund part of the money, $8k minus half the "fine". He lied, never has.

E. He said he wired the money. He lied, wire has never been received.

So basically, Chris will lie to a customer when it suits him. Just because you've had a good relationship with him up until this point means nothing. Tomorrow YOU could be the one getting fuked over.

Oh.. And Chris confirmed that this info is correct and that yes, he is fucking the guy over.

Regardless of all the "other secret info" he may have and shares with a few people, none of that changes these facts, nor would it really make it acceptable business pratice.

This pretty much sums up my entire ramble, in a much easier to read format

and Split : to your comment about the same people who are always bashing you, if you were referring to me also, i have never once bashed split and in fact have a box in your datacentre (please don't unplug it

)

AdultMegaCash · 12-23-2005, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

at what cost though? 8 months?

What about the cost to Split? The fine, the blacklist of an entire class c, I am sure if they took on enough complaints Spamhaus probably got involved. What about that?

Not saying that happened, but if it did, what about that?

baddog · 12-23-2005, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by pimpporn

He looks more like a linebacker than a kid

They have linebackers in Pop Warner too

theking · 12-23-2005, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultMegaCash

Thanks Chris, yes it's true we just met recently. But, split did step up and do me right in a crazy situation. Is it having an influence on what I am saying not at all. What I was trying to do was bring up points for people to discuss.

Hmm...screwed up and posted under another nick the first time you posted this...now didn't you?

Doctor Dre · 12-23-2005, 02:01 AM

450 x goodnight . err postdance once again

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12-23-2005, 01:41 AM	#413
SplitInfinity Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,047	Joel, baddog is cool, I dont think he means it personal. You know your value dude, no need to defend it. As long as you know what you are worth you are good. He doesnt know you. He is alright. I have known him for years.

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SplitInfinity Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,047	AMC is posting his opinion. I literally just met the guy a few weeks ago. I appreciate his level headed comments....... In fact I am proud to host him. :-) Its funny how the same people hating on me in this thread are the same few who always do. Should I investigate your affiliations? LOL Its all good. Think what you will think, but in the end, bdjuff and I will ride off into the sunset as friends again. I already know what I am willing to do..... just waiting to talk to him. He made this public, however in the end, its between him and I, and the board? Well I always love the court of public opinion, it shows me how people think. Its always good to understand people. We should rename GFY to The Human Ant Farm. :-) Peace.

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