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Mr. Jim · 12-13-2005, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

Thank you very much.. I'm just tired of the same sponsors paying for shit and they all also have high payouts etc. and attend shows etc.

nothing personal against you

Then you have the other side of that coin... if Hustler is not buying everyone a drink or have a booth or throwing fucking money everywhere

"OMG Hustler is really tanking or so and so is totally doing better than Hustler, Hustler is this Hustler is that......

Hustler has never been doing better....Hustler is throwing a party in Vegas....Hustler will have its best year in 2006 to date.

Do I think it is becuae we throw parties... no not at all...do I think we benefit from the parties we throw...sure to an extent...

I think it can be a solid move for a young company looking to reach the next level from a marketing position but I do think that sponsoring the same gigs year in and year out can be a waste of time and will eventually make your brand invisible...

RonC does this well by only throwing things here and there...

MikeSmoke · 12-13-2005, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

The smaller NatNet parties were awesome. But when they got to the point where people were showing up who didn't know what a bidet was......... ;)

ah, the memories.....

RogerV · 12-13-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Paid up front?
Sure but during that PAID upfront process...

The price is knocked down, haggled and the prices are generally based on competitve pricing. Meaning that the company ultimatly got the best deal.

I been around long enough to know that it is not ability in the technical field but the price that most companies base there decision on. After all the haggling the innovator of lets just say...

A design tour.

600 bucks lets say?

That 600 dollar design nets over 20K during its duration of use.
Hundreds of affilaites relie on that tour and materials it comprises often done by the same designer or two and in most cases OUTSOURCED assets.

As a consultant and designer and content producer I know the deal and its the deal I play everyday, there is not one business dealing I have done knowing that I was not being taken advantage of for my abilities to a degree.

Hell I even designed for you! But what I am saying does not apply to you but generally it does from an existential point of view looking in, the internet is a buyers market, prices are low. In short the Bulls are out. I know the deal and how it goes and never really angry about it, I been doing it to long to get upset.

But I am a whore and treated like one for the love of money, while in the course I got little choice.
Thats the life of "Little People".

Hey I'm not mad at ya speak your mind let it out

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 12-13-2005, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

Hey I'm not mad at ya speak your mind let it out

You are a great guy Roger, ya know from day one I have only wished ya the best

I am good sport about things and know when people have earned it.

You have earned it all the way. Which is why I love doing biz with ya

So any time yer rdy

RogerV · 12-13-2005, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Hustler

Then you have the other side of that coin... if Hustler is not buying everyone a drink or have a booth or throwing fucking money everywhere

"OMG Hustler is really tanking or so and so is totally doing better than Hustler, Hustler is this Hustler is that......

Hustler has never been doing better....Hustler is throwing a party in Vegas....Hustler will have its best year in 2006 to date.

Do I think it is becuae we throw parties... no not at all...do I think we benefit from the parties we throw...sure to an extent...

I think it can be a solid move for a young company looking to reach the next level from a marketing position but I do think that sponsoring the same gigs year in and year out can be a waste of time and will eventually make your brand invisible...

RonC does this well by only throwing things here and there...

you guys are a great example of a program giving back and are part of the community

I love doing biz with Hustler..

another Great example with RonC he still gives back and trust me he doesnt need anything

RogerV · 12-13-2005, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

You are a great guy Roger, ya know from day one I have only wished ya the best

I am good sport about things and know when people have earned it.

You have earned it all the way. Which is why I love doing biz with ya

So any time yer rdy

I actually have an idea for designers and content providers to make more with us. let me hem it out

Mr. Jim · 12-13-2005, 06:30 PM

Mark can you design box covers???

bdld · 12-13-2005, 06:34 PM

throwing parties or having a board presence does not qualify as "giving back". some of the best sponsors do neither of these things and i hope they never do. they need to spend their money on their content.

Pipecrew · 12-13-2005, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Paid up front?
Sure but during that PAID upfront process...

The price is knocked down, haggled and the prices are generally based on competitve pricing. Meaning that the company ultimatly got the best deal.

I been around long enough to know that it is not ability in the technical field but the price that most companies base there decision on. After all the haggling the innovator of lets just say...

A design tour.

600 bucks lets say?

A designer should not accept a job for that little then. Rarely we need a designer, but when we do, we pay wayyyyy more then that, and we pay upfront or however they want to deal with it. We dont need to haggle or any of that B.S. You just need to set rules and follow them, people that wont play by the rules, you dont deal with.

chadglni · 12-13-2005, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pipecrew

A designer should not accept a job for that little then. Rarely we need a designer, but when we do, we pay wayyyyy more then that, and we pay upfront or however they want to deal with it. We dont need to haggle or any of that B.S. You just need to set rules and follow them, people that wont play by the rules, you dont deal with.

Nah that wouldn't happen. I mean nobody (cough WebInc) operates like that.

Ian · 12-13-2005, 06:56 PM

Someone posted on the weekend about an 80% recurring payout and I almost fell off my chair laughing.

If you believe anything over 70% you are an idiot.

We offer 70% and it's very close after costs, almost not worth it.

LOL

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 12-13-2005, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Hustler

Mark can you design box covers???

Of course

Hit me up. No one is buying shit as they scramble for Internext and Chrismas.

Sly · 12-13-2005, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pimpporn

I just wanna know why why some of the most widespread programs have barely any, if any presence on this board. ie. Perfect Gonzo, Nasty dollars, etc.

Easy.

They're too busy making people money to worry about stupid board games and silly iPod contests.

Pipecrew · 12-13-2005, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Easy.

They're too busy making people money to worry about stupid board games and silly iPod contests.

I am afraid if you keep making sense, people may begin to listen to you.

slapass · 12-13-2005, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Easy.

They're too busy making people money to worry about stupid board games and silly iPod contests.

What he said.

Roger, you rock but long contest threads on GFY are not giving back. $50 days get people to try your program but if it does not convert, no one keeps the links up for long.

Sly · 12-13-2005, 07:50 PM

Oh, and actually, David from PG posts here quite often and offers a plethora of knowledge on a regular basis. I'd much rather have his knowledge than a few free drinks at a loud party where I can't hear myself think. I should be buying him the drinks, rather.

RogerV · 12-13-2005, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian

Someone posted on the weekend about an 80% recurring payout and I almost fell off my chair laughing.

If you believe anything over 70% you are an idiot.

We offer 70% and it's very close after costs, almost not worth it.

LOL

Exactly and they beter check to see when that program shuts the recurring off prob after 2 months

RogerV · 12-13-2005, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bdld

throwing parties or having a board presence does not qualify as "giving back". some of the best sponsors do neither of these things and i hope they never do. they need to spend their money on their content.

like other programs dont do that already if they dont they should

RogerV · 12-13-2005, 08:05 PM

Shit this might be my last thread LOL I'm already doing fine I guess I like to do contest to help the little guys out if I can. trust me I dont get anyhting out of it

but from what I'm reading I'm done doing it now

RogerV · 12-13-2005, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Easy.

They're too busy making people money to worry about stupid board games and silly iPod contests.

I'm making people a shit load and I still give back more and I bet I out convert most. I always put my money where my mouth is..

if I dont I will pay you double what they would have made you

I call BS

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 12-13-2005, 08:14 PM

Nah, Roger I think Contests and stuff are cool.
It is a part of branding and when ya get a gift from someone and they use that gift, they remember ya. It is important people remember since they change sponsors go to another sponsor and maybe come back etc.

Most people got the memory of a hamster so...

It's part of the treadmill to remind em.

webgurl · 12-13-2005, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Easy.

They're too busy making people money to worry about stupid board games and silly iPod contests.

Help me think of a cool contest

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 12-13-2005, 08:16 PM

Personally I always thought it odd that affiliate programs do not give away software packages or scripts that could be useful for a traffic genmaster.
Servers, Computers etc.
If I had a program thats what I would do.
Or even vacations.

Sly · 12-13-2005, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

I'm making people a shit load and I still give back more and I bet I out convert most. I always put my money where my mouth is..

if I dont I will pay you double what they would have made you

I call BS

Do you have free content available?

I'll start sending you traffic if you pay $35 per trial. Conversions can not be any worse than 1:400, second page is fine. No need to pay double, just match. I don't send massive traffic, but it is consistent, meaning you can expect to send me a new check every 2 weeks from my start til my end.

RogerV · 12-13-2005, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass

What he said.

Roger, you rock but long contest threads on GFY are not giving back. $50 days get people to try your program but if it does not convert, no one keeps the links up for long.

I do the contest for fun 80% of our sales come from whales and $50 days dont work dont it many times. I pay $30 on a trial and give a extra $1000 when you reach 100 trials

thats not the point I already do everyhting else and I'm done with the extra shit that nobody cares about like diners,contest etc.

this thread was real informative

Sly · 12-13-2005, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

I do the contest for fun 80% of our sales come from whales and $50 days dont work dont it many times. I pay $30 on a trial and give a extra $1000 when you reach 100 trials

Thats a nice bonus. I'll look into your stuff later this week.

Is the bonus a one time deal or does it renew after every 100 joins?

BrettJ · 12-13-2005, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

I do the contest for fun 80% of our sales come from whales and $50 days dont work dont it many times. I pay $30 on a trial and give a extra $1000 when you reach 100 trials

thats not the point I already do everyhting else and I'm done with the extra shit that nobody cares about like diners,contest etc.

this thread was real informative

Sorry to hear that the people in this thread have swayed your opinion of sponsoring events.

But as the party lists get smaller - the people I talk to - seem to take more notice of the companies that are always involved in helping organize/get people together. Platinumbucks, Lensmans' Projects, Topbucks, CCBill - seem to be on the top of the list of companies that are continually sponsoring events.

I still don't do nearly enough with the companies I just mentioned - but I definately notice the effort they put out. Everybody else would too - if they dried up.

Cory W · 12-13-2005, 08:35 PM

We try to mix things up as much as possible. We do contest / giveaways, raise payouts and play host to gatherings. You just have to be as smart and as optimal as possible when you do them.

The contest are a double-edge sword in a way, as most of the time the winner isn't your affiliate and will never send traffic, however, you really just exposed your product, for whatever that is worth (something of which you may never know).

With gatherings, you just have to be methodical and insure that both non-affiliates you have never met and current affiliates show up. We try to do this by teaming up with other non-competing programs.

At the end of the day, you will be judged by your product: the content, the billing schematics, the support, etc.

The financials in an IPOD giveaway in no way effect payout raises. We will always raise payouts before doing a contest, I think most programs would.

You have a great product Roger and you obviously care about it, I wouldn't read too much into events and IPOD giveaways. I would also not allow one thread to set the tone for all your future marketing, IMO.

I need a new ad from you when you get an opportunity

Shooting_Maniac1 · 12-13-2005, 08:38 PM

What an ignorant post. I would and always will do business people that put their monies back into their company rather then blowing it on a bunch of snot nosed 18 year old kids or a 33 year old that feels he is owed somethng. Un fucking real. How is investing money back into their company in lue of throwing bs parties where 90% of the people there never send them traffic anyways, "sucking money out of the industry"?. Its the total opposite. Fuck the parties, give us more content, more galleries, higher payouts, more site options. Let the kiddies buy their own damn bear. I send my clients a nice Christmas gift every year. I dont have to get them all fucked up and put a titty in their face to keep their business. Glad I dont either.... cuz the day after the show, they have forgot your name. Contest can be cool, if they are planned and targeted, but my god.. using parties and give aways as a buisness plan is just dumb. Service should win everytime and in the end.. it always does.

I didnt read this whole thread... maybe it was a joke thread by your Roger and if so, im sorry. If its not a joke, then its the dumbest thing you have ever said.

RogerV · 12-13-2005, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Thats a nice bonus. I'll look into your stuff later this week.

Is the bonus a one time deal or does it renew after every 100 joins?

Its a one time deal to get you to try us out and its an extra bonus once you see how we convert you will be hooked.

I didnt realize you guys think a program is hurting when they give back
shit I should go stealth hell Might just buy me something with the money.

At least i understand now I was wasting my time and money it was fun though

call me sometime and I will set you up

RogerV · 12-13-2005, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Shooting_Maniac1

What an ignorant post. I would and always will do business people that put their monies back into their company rather then blowing it on a bunch of snot nosed 18 year old kids or a 33 year old that feels he is owed somethng. Un fucking real. How is investing money back into their company in lue of throwing bs parties where 90% of the people there never send them traffic anyways, "sucking money out of the industry"?. Its the total opposite. Fuck the parties, give us more content, more galleries, higher payouts, more site options. Let the kiddies buy their own damn bear. I send my clients a nice Christmas gift every year. I dont have to get them all fucked up and put a titty in their face to keep their business. Glad I dont either.... cuz the day after the show, they have forgot your name. Contest can be cool, if they are planned and targeted, but my god.. using parties and give aways as a buisness plan is just dumb. Service should win everytime and in the end.. it always does.

I didnt read this whole thread... maybe it was a joke thread by your Roger and if so, im sorry. If its not a joke, then its the dumbest thing you have ever said.

I guess your a sucker then LOL

your telling me programs like Silvercash,topbucks, hustler,Adult.com I can go on and on dont put there money back into the company and give you everyhting you just mentioned and more?

RogerV · 12-13-2005, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BrettJ

Sorry to hear that the people in this thread have swayed your opinion of sponsoring events.

But as the party lists get smaller - the people I talk to - seem to take more notice of the companies that are always involved in helping organize/get people together. Platinumbucks, Lensmans' Projects, Topbucks, CCBill - seem to be on the top of the list of companies that are continually sponsoring events.

I still don't do nearly enough with the companies I just mentioned - but I definately notice the effort they put out. Everybody else would too - if they dried up.

this thread just proves most dont care they just like to complain and it has swayed me since nobody came in to even appreciate the give backs. that make this industry fun .

But I will support thse that continue too

Rep · 12-13-2005, 08:51 PM

Suck money out of the industry and never give it back? If you're paying affiliates you're "giving" it back to the industry. Throwing parties, sponsoring contests, etc.. are all marketing to drive more business to your company. Advertising.

It sounds like you're putting yourself on a pedastool Roger.

Shooting_Maniac1 · 12-13-2005, 08:51 PM

Didnt mean to be all harsh there Roger... Just seen to many new companies more concerned about the "party" then the product. The serious people here only care about the product. Getting together now and then is cool and everyone likes that, but to cater to a bunch of kids who has no clue on who you are or what you do is pointless and theres no finanical reward, longterm in doing so. However, the serious kids understand the value of increased sales tools and better content and day to day support and service that will help put food on their tables. Dont go after the kid looking for beer money for the weekends... those are the pricks that show up at those parties anymore. Go for the kids that wanna eat and ask questions, proving they are in it for more then the beer and peaks at some tits. Those people will come find you if your product is strong. Put the money into the company. Few on here have the resources to do it right. Ron and ccbill is one that does and has always put on parties that were benefical for all those that attended.

Shooting_Maniac1 · 12-13-2005, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

I guess your a sucker then LOL

your telling me programs like Silvercash,topbucks, hustler,Adult.com I can go on and on dont put there money back into the company and give you everyhting you just mentioned and more?

No.. im saying you cant. Call me a sucker if you like. We all know the resources those companies have.. or have had. If you think you can play in that game then by all means, spend your money. At the end of the day, we will see who the "sucker" is.

TDF · 12-13-2005, 08:56 PM

one of the worst..threads..ever

RogerV · 12-13-2005, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

We try to mix things up as much as possible. We do contest / giveaways, raise payouts and play host to gatherings. You just have to be as smart and as optimal as possible when you do them.

The contest are a double-edge sword in a way, as most of the time the winner isn't your affiliate and will never send traffic, however, you really just exposed your product, for whatever that is worth (something of which you may never know).

With gatherings, you just have to be methodical and insure that both non-affiliates you have never met and current affiliates show up. We try to do this by teaming up with other non-competing programs.

At the end of the day, you will be judged by your product: the content, the billing schematics, the support, etc.

The financials in an IPOD giveaway in no way effect payout raises. We will always raise payouts before doing a contest, I think most programs would.

You have a great product Roger and you obviously care about it, I wouldn't read too much into events and IPOD giveaways. I would also not allow one thread to set the tone for all your future marketing, IMO.

I need a new ad from you when you get an opportunity

thanks my brotha it wasnt even about me but I didnt want people to think I was complaining it was more of a general topic.

Hit me up tomorrow for the ad

and It bugs me but I will prob. continue to mix it up like you guys do.

RogerV · 12-13-2005, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Shooting_Maniac1

Didnt mean to be all harsh there Roger... Just seen to many new companies more concerned about the "party" then the product. The serious people here only care about the product. Getting together now and then is cool and everyone likes that, but to cater to a bunch of kids who has no clue on who you are or what you do is pointless and theres no finanical reward, longterm in doing so. However, the serious kids understand the value of increased sales tools and better content and day to day support and service that will help put food on their tables. Dont go after the kid looking for beer money for the weekends... those are the pricks that show up at those parties anymore. Go for the kids that wanna eat and ask questions, proving they are in it for more then the beer and peaks at some tits. Those people will come find you if your product is strong. Put the money into the company. Few on here have the resources to do it right. Ron and ccbill is one that does and has always put on parties that were benefical for all those that attended.

I understand that a new growing program cant really afford too or eve some mid size ones it was more targeted to large programs the ones that can do it obviously. they know who they are some have posted slamming this thread.

But I understand and agree with most of what you said

RogerV · 12-13-2005, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TDF

one of the worst..threads..ever

why it hits home?

TDF · 12-13-2005, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

why it hits home?

not at all..it just shows me how much I really value low key sponsors.Customer service and good content is king

RogerV · 12-13-2005, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TDF

not at all..it just shows me how much I really value low key sponsors.Customer service and good content is king

Have I not always answered you but you never follow thru with me.
maybe cause I'm white who knows.

but i bet I convert well for you

Cory W · 12-13-2005, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

thanks my brotha it wasnt even about me but I didnt want people to think I was complaining it was more of a general topic.

Hit me up tomorrow for the ad

and It bugs me but I will prob. continue to mix it up like you guys do.

Toughest thing for me to learn is that in this business, there is no hard-formula with marketing (not that I need to tell you that, you know better than I do).

At the end of the day, the product is what will sell the webmaster, how you get there is a different story. Bang Brothers and Nastydollars have a great product and word of mouth attracts tons of business for them. That is their marketing and that is where most any program strives to be. You have a great product as well and you work hard at marketing it, it will pay off, seems it already has.

People just misread they way you communicated the thread's contents, it actually is informing.

Have a nice night man.

Marshal · 12-13-2005, 09:13 PM

bump for you!

wargames · 12-13-2005, 09:18 PM

Basically it comes down to how much a sponsor makes me every month. I personally dont care if they throw parties or do contests. If i send sponsor A 30k hits and that makes $2500 and i send sponsor B 30k hits and that only makes $1000 and they throw parties who do you think i am going to send more traffic to next month?

Translation · 12-13-2005, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

what programs never give back by sponsoring party's at the shows or do contest on the boards etc.

what programs just take from the community and are not part of it or care to be?

Personally I would never do biz with them

Post away if you have the balls

dumbest post EVER.

RogerV · 12-13-2005, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Toughest thing for me to learn is that in this business, there is no hard-formula with marketing (not that I need to tell you that, you know better than I do).

At the end of the day, the product is what will sell the webmaster, how you get there is a different story. Bang Brothers and Nastydollars have a great product and word of mouth attracts tons of business for them. That is their marketing and that is where most any program strives to be. You have a great product as well and you work hard at marketing it, it will pay off, seems it already has.

People just misread they way you communicated the thread's contents, it actually is informing.

Have a nice night man.

I was playing poker so I would get cut off everytime I tried to respond and get my point accross but at least some understood. its not really about marketing and parties then just being part of the community.

so I'll probbably take a break from the boards unless I get to bored LOL

wonder if I can be a lerker like I used to be in the past

RogerV · 12-13-2005, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Translation

dumbest post EVER.

always the anons talking shit

I bet you go to the shows to get free shit and never sent a hit to anyone or maybe you still live at home with mom

RogerV · 12-13-2005, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wargames

Basically it comes down to how much a sponsor makes me every month. I personally dont care if they throw parties or do contests. If i send sponsor A 30k hits and that makes $2500 and i send sponsor B 30k hits and that only makes $1000 and they throw parties who do you think i am going to send more traffic to next month?

we are talking about hundreds of programs though and many that do give back in many ways and are part of the commuity and also have exclusive content etc.

what if sponsor c 30k hits and make you $3000 and does contest, sponsors parties and bars and gives away free shit

who are you going to send all your traffic too?

Sly · 12-13-2005, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

we are talking about hundreds of programs though and many that do give back in many ways and are part of the commuity and also have exclusive content etc.

what if sponsor c 30k hits and make you $3000 and does contest, sponsors parties and bars and gives away free shit

who are you going to send all your traffic too?

Obviously Sponsor C because it makes more money. The contests, parties, and give-aways don't come into the picture.

What you should have said was: if Sponsor A and B make you $3k but Sponsor B has parties and contests, who would you pick?

For me it would still be a toss up unless one offer rewards.

RogerV · 12-13-2005, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Obviously Sponsor C because it makes more money. The contests, parties, and give-aways don't come into the picture.

What you should have said was: if Sponsor A and B make you $3k but Sponsor B has parties and contests, who would you pick?

For me it would still be a toss up unless one offer rewards.

it would still be a toss up..

this is why I'm done giving extra its not worth it

hit me up this week to chat when you have time

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Nah, Roger I think Contests and stuff are cool. It is a part of branding and when ya get a gift from someone and they use that gift, they remember ya. It is important people remember since they change sponsors go to another sponsor and maybe come back etc. Most people got the memory of a hamster so... It's part of the treadmill to remind em. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \| Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 12-13-2005 at 08:15 PM..

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Personally I always thought it odd that affiliate programs do not give away software packages or scripts that could be useful for a traffic genmaster. Servers, Computers etc. If I had a program thats what I would do. Or even vacations. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \| Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 12-13-2005 at 08:18 PM..

12-13-2005, 08:35 PM	#78
Cory W Deeply shallow Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood, Ca. Posts: 9,133	We try to mix things up as much as possible. We do contest / giveaways, raise payouts and play host to gatherings. You just have to be as smart and as optimal as possible when you do them. The contest are a double-edge sword in a way, as most of the time the winner isn't your affiliate and will never send traffic, however, you really just exposed your product, for whatever that is worth (something of which you may never know). With gatherings, you just have to be methodical and insure that both non-affiliates you have never met and current affiliates show up. We try to do this by teaming up with other non-competing programs. At the end of the day, you will be judged by your product: the content, the billing schematics, the support, etc. The financials in an IPOD giveaway in no way effect payout raises. We will always raise payouts before doing a contest, I think most programs would. You have a great product Roger and you obviously care about it, I wouldn't read too much into events and IPOD giveaways. I would also not allow one thread to set the tone for all your future marketing, IMO. I need a new ad from you when you get an opportunity __________________ ICQ: 292310358 Offering writing and content services (mainstream). Marketing for L3 Payments

12-13-2005, 08:38 PM	#79
Shooting_Maniac1 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 417	What an ignorant post. I would and always will do business people that put their monies back into their company rather then blowing it on a bunch of snot nosed 18 year old kids or a 33 year old that feels he is owed somethng. Un fucking real. How is investing money back into their company in lue of throwing bs parties where 90% of the people there never send them traffic anyways, "sucking money out of the industry"?. Its the total opposite. Fuck the parties, give us more content, more galleries, higher payouts, more site options. Let the kiddies buy their own damn bear. I send my clients a nice Christmas gift every year. I dont have to get them all fucked up and put a titty in their face to keep their business. Glad I dont either.... cuz the day after the show, they have forgot your name. Contest can be cool, if they are planned and targeted, but my god.. using parties and give aways as a buisness plan is just dumb. Service should win everytime and in the end.. it always does. I didnt read this whole thread... maybe it was a joke thread by your Roger and if so, im sorry. If its not a joke, then its the dumbest thing you have ever said. Last edited by Shooting_Maniac1; 12-13-2005 at 08:40 PM..

12-13-2005, 06:30 PM	#57
Mr. Jim Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,372	Mark can you design box covers???

12-13-2005, 06:34 PM	#58
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	throwing parties or having a board presence does not qualify as "giving back". some of the best sponsors do neither of these things and i hope they never do. they need to spend their money on their content.

12-13-2005, 06:56 PM	#61
Ian Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,259	Someone posted on the weekend about an 80% recurring payout and I almost fell off my chair laughing. If you believe anything over 70% you are an idiot. We offer 70% and it's very close after costs, almost not worth it. LOL

12-13-2005, 08:05 PM	#69
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	Shit this might be my last thread LOL I'm already doing fine I guess I like to do contest to help the little guys out if I can. trust me I dont get anyhting out of it but from what I'm reading I'm done doing it now

12-13-2005, 08:51 PM	#83
Rep Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 991	Suck money out of the industry and never give it back? If you're paying affiliates you're "giving" it back to the industry. Throwing parties, sponsoring contests, etc.. are all marketing to drive more business to your company. Advertising. It sounds like you're putting yourself on a pedastool Roger. __________________ who \| grep -i blonde \| date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger; mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount; sleep

12-13-2005, 08:56 PM	#86
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	one of the worst..threads..ever __________________ Sig heil

12-13-2005, 09:13 PM	#93
Marshal Biz Dev and SEO Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15,180	bump for you! __________________ --- Busy ranking websites on Google...

12-13-2005, 09:18 PM	#94
wargames Kliris Join Date: May 2003 Location: ca Posts: 10,423	Basically it comes down to how much a sponsor makes me every month. I personally dont care if they throw parties or do contests. If i send sponsor A 30k hits and that makes $2500 and i send sponsor B 30k hits and that only makes $1000 and they throw parties who do you think i am going to send more traffic to next month? __________________ ICQ 212-115-582 Email Steve at Vas Media Group .com