what programs just suck money out of the industry and never give back
 

what programs never give back by sponsoring party's at the shows or do contest on the boards etc.

what programs just take from the community and are not part of it or care to be?


Personally I would never do biz with them :2 cents:


Post away if you have the balls

Umm sponsoring parties is the last thing most of us give a shit about. You do realize more webmasters never go to shows than those that do right?

www.clickcash.com and you couldn't make me quit promoting them, hell I'd say you couldn't pay enough for me to even consider it. ;)

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www.wishing.com/money Always gives back :)

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what's wrong with not throwing parties ?

some programs rather spend the $$$ on higher payouts or better members areas to retain better.

Yep, well said. I think alot of programs help out in there own way. Be it Parties at shows, Seminars, Giveaways, Auctions for Charities, etc.

All is good

I would rather have a program support the FSC instead of throwing a free dinner at internext.

Good point Pipecrew :)

In fact it would rather piss me off to promote a sponsor that was out blowing money on making sure the guys in Vegas to cheat on their wives could get good and liquored up before they fingered some whore on the showroom floor.

you know all :thumbsup

Oh really funny how all the shit I've given away and sponsored like many others have are not appreciated..

:321GFY

Most programs already support the FSC :2 cents:

The things that are give away, are appreciated. But I dont see throwing a party for a bunch of people to come and drink your booze, take your gifts, and never send you a single click is worth the time and effort.

Roger,

you know the deal.. In the old days we used to sponsor alot of stuff, 5k here, 10k there but not really much anymore - once in awhile.

At trade shows, sponsorship is good for branding, etc - Does it always pay off asap, nah, but mabey that next new webmaster who drank at your party will remember your proggie, or a "whale" showed up and chatted with you and now sends xxx signups per day....

I don't go to Vegas bud. I also don't whore contest threads on GFY. Instead I prefer to get paid top dollar from sponsors for sending them my traffic instead of seeing bonuses going to .10 a post sig whores and some Iranian dude running a post bot. I just got through telling my friend that your sites are some of the nicest I've seen in a long time but that doesn't change the fact that I have no reason to send you traffic if you count reasons in beers and Ipods.

Then why even have Shows? whats the point? so the same people can keep picking up the tabs

Some of the best parties - get togethers were from Tony at the Nat Net Suite. Man - we had a blast. few hundred people there, you could actually talk and hear one another.. Did some good biz in the suite :)

Thank you very much.. I'm just tired of the same sponsors paying for shit and they all also have high payouts etc. and attend shows etc.


nothing personal against you

I have to agree with Roger, since we been doing these contest three revsharehosting and our chat seminars we are seeing both sponsors giving away thousands of dollars and affiliates benefitting from it all. To me it's like nurturing the industry... if you don't do squat you don't deserve squat.

I just like to support Programs and companies who give back a little and dont shun themselves from the industry. It can be done in many ways not just parties.

I also appreciate all the parties I go to and do biz with those who give back pther than just a payout like we all already do

it sucks cause then you see programs who dont do shit and just suck the money out and are being pushed hard.. Kinda make you wonder why you care or give back in more ways then a payout.

totally but back then there were only a handful of programs and we all knew each other LOL

Personally I dont think the branding of a party helps becasue most webmasters dont give a shit they expect it now. but the ones who do give back need to get more appreciation is all :2 cents:

I have stopped doing parties and ow do small diners,shirts etc. for those I know support my program.

I have much respect for those who still throw the big parties.

running contests on gfy or throwing parties is considered "giving back"? :1orglaugh
come on, everyone knows that that stuff is done mainly for marketing...

Isn't the purpose of the conventions at their core to do business?

All these parties, promotions, giveaways etc. are all extrapolation by programs who are doing it for the simple reason of self-promotion.

Everyone knows it, even the affiliates. But if you're offering amazing things, noone's going to turn it down. They're all gonna take advantage. :2 cents:

do you really think LOL

Be honest do you care or send traffic to the programs you scammed drinks from or a dinner etc?

who pays for your entertainment on GFY? sponsors who are part of the community.

I'm not tAlking about just giving back but being part of the community and doing biz with others not just taking

I'm sorry, but this is a ridiculous thread.

Parties, contests and things like that aren't a way of "giving back to the industry". They are a type of promotion, pure advertising. Is a program "giving back" if it gets webmasters drunk hoping they'll send them hits? Is Coca Cola "giving back" to soft drink consumers if it gives away Xboxes in marketing stunts?

Of course not!

This is a business. It's not about "giving back", it's about doing good business. A good businessman doesn't use business partners because they're such nice guys, he uses them because they are good business partners.

And even if there would be a way of "giving back" to the industry, it sure as hell wouldn't be getting webmasters drunk, buying them hookers and giving them game consoles. Instead, it would be donating to FSC, ACLU, and lobbying for the industry.

No shit.

Cause at the end of the day the real hard workign affiliate that worked on your contest and gave his best shot. The ones that you have helped, or entertain will remember this. The problem is sometime it goes so overboard that traffic guys gets full of themselfs and will expect free shit and all even before sending traffic.

You really have to keep a good balance between giving and not over give.

I agree allthought promo's have more success for a program then donating to FSC :thumbsup

Thats a given we also convert amazing have a cash bonus incentive and shoot exclusive content weekly as well as buy from most content providers.

just like many other programs and I'm here for you to slam for whatever reason.

Like I said i only support those who are part of the community and give back not just suck the cash out.. but maybe I care to much I love the biz and people in it. its not all about Me

please dont cancel any parties on my behalf tho :)

when I saw this thread I thought you were asking about the few companies that run spyware and steal adult traffic. Or the people who fuck surfers over and help run up CB%.

them too :1orglaugh most of them dont give a fuck about the industry

click ass

I'm bringing this up because alot of sponors I talk to dont throw parties for new clients they are already huge or doing great. but you guys see it a differant way I guess.

Either way i think we should support those that dfo becasue its not cheap to sponsor shit. most of the time you already have money and are doing fine when you decide to give back

All of Them.

They make a brunt of the money and have the advantage concerning conversions and payouts. They tend to have Ferrarri's, Lambo's and what the latest bragging gadget is as status symbols. While the ones that made them can barely feed themselves.
The designers, the content producers and coders are all raped in the process.

Depressing?

But thats the reality.

I don't go to conventions, so I wouldn't know about sending traffic to sponsors that bought me drinks... but when once in a while I win a contest on gfy, I do send some traffic their way...

And honestly, I don't care if sponsor is "part of the community", I look at my bottom line, it turns out that most of the sponsors that are not part of the community convert better than those that are over-marketed on the boards, so those are the ones I push...

Cool web search is a really nasty trojan your computer may get, mostly from the asshole Russian runaround movie posts. Seems like Adult Friend Finder ended up popping up all over my computer just before I had to have my hard drive reformatted.

Everyone needs a pat on the back :winkwink: But they all got paid upfront
promotions are a gamble and rarely pay off :2 cents:
I think all programs should just stop throwing parties and buy exclusive content with there money as you can see nobody cares

Corporate dtructures do not make for the best of the people that make them. Its a fact.

Corporations, mainstream or adult both rewards itself far more than any individuals unless they happen to be a few individuals at the top or even one individual at the top who's names reside on the company owners etc.

After that they are the only that really make anything.

I have seen countless times a company suck an individuals resources dry, use them for contact information, lists and then discard them like yesterdays trash. It happens alot in ADULT sadly anough and in Mainstream I can only guess.

You can look at Corporate America now as it cashes out on people that spent thier entire lives working for a company to have 401K's and various retirement plans vanish right beneath thier feet.

It's fucked up. Its greed. There is nothing human about it.

interesting I bet I out convert them :) Infact if I dont I will pay you double what you would have made with them if you are honest and show proof because I dont believe you

at least your honest

up for a challenge or are you just all talk

why would anything but conversions matter? if sponsor x makes me a few hundred bucks more per week than sponsor y who throws great parties and gives away xboxs, im gonna promote sponsor x.

like many i've never been to a show, never participated in a contest and never cared much about giveaways. conversions usually tank on giveaway days anyways.

people care about which sponsor puts more money in their pocket before anything else. i wouldn't call that not giving back to the community.

I just wanna know why why some of the most widespread programs have barely any, if any presence on this board. ie. Perfect Gonzo, Nasty dollars, etc.

Great post :thumbsup

I agree with you dont just promote on what they give back but on there conversions as well.

but I do see your point.. that said I will out convert those you promote who are not part of the community

take me up on a challenge if I dont convert better then your best sponsor I will pay you double what you would have made with them just for your time.

Why do you think designers are getting raped? Designers can set their own prices and get paid upfront. Companies pay the designers, everyone is happy, did you expect to own a percent of the website for your design? if so, I believe you are crazy.

No shit huh? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Did more business and made more contacts/friends there, than at all the blowout parties combined --- not to mention that I'm not into blowout parties. Used to go to the blowout parties just to be seen, but I'd end up leaving anyway. Now, I'd rather just hang with friends (or play Let It Ride with them - right Todd? :winkwink: ) - sure wish the NatNet Suite thing hadn't blown up to the point where they had to change directions :(

:winkwink: :upsidedow

The smaller NatNet parties were awesome. But when they got to the point where people were showing up who didn't know what a bidet was......... ;)

They all drive really nice cars from what I hear :1orglaugh and dont care much about us :2 cents:

What programs or content providers etc have done biz with them?
Just curious because I have never met an owner of either program

but I hear they throw great parties

BTW nothing against either program I dont really care

Paid up front?
Sure but during that PAID upfront process...

The price is knocked down, haggled and the prices are generally based on competitve pricing. Meaning that the company ultimatly got the best deal.

I been around long enough to know that it is not ability in the technical field but the price that most companies base there decision on. After all the haggling the innovator of lets just say...

A design tour.

600 bucks lets say?

That 600 dollar design nets over 20K during its duration of use.
Hundreds of affilaites relie on that tour and materials it comprises often done by the same designer or two and in most cases OUTSOURCED assets.

As a consultant and designer and content producer I know the deal and its the deal I play everyday, there is not one business dealing I have done knowing that I was not being taken advantage of for my abilities to a degree.

Hell I even designed for you! But what I am saying does not apply to you but generally it does from an existential point of view looking in, the internet is a buyers market, prices are low. In short the Bulls are out. I know the deal and how it goes and never really angry about it, I been doing it to long to get upset.

But I am a whore and treated like one for the love of money, while in the course I got little choice.
Thats the life of "Little People".