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  • Mr. Jim
    Confirmed User
    • Mar 2003
    • 4372
    #51
    Originally posted by RogerV
    Thank you very much.. I'm just tired of the same sponsors paying for shit and they all also have high payouts etc. and attend shows etc.


    nothing personal against you
    Then you have the other side of that coin... if Hustler is not buying everyone a drink or have a booth or throwing fucking money everywhere

    "OMG Hustler is really tanking or so and so is totally doing better than Hustler, Hustler is this Hustler is that......

    Hustler has never been doing better....Hustler is throwing a party in Vegas....Hustler will have its best year in 2006 to date.

    Do I think it is becuae we throw parties... no not at all...do I think we benefit from the parties we throw...sure to an extent...

    I think it can be a solid move for a young company looking to reach the next level from a marketing position but I do think that sponsoring the same gigs year in and year out can be a waste of time and will eventually make your brand invisible...

    RonC does this well by only throwing things here and there...

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      • MikeSmoke
        Confirmed User
        • Nov 2002
        • 3241
        #52
        Originally posted by Peaches
        The smaller NatNet parties were awesome. But when they got to the point where people were showing up who didn't know what a bidet was......... ;)
        ah, the memories.....

        icq: 541-739-92

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          • RogerV
            Banned!
            • Jul 2002
            • 12591
            #53
            Originally posted by AlienQ
            Paid up front?
            Sure but during that PAID upfront process...

            The price is knocked down, haggled and the prices are generally based on competitve pricing. Meaning that the company ultimatly got the best deal.

            I been around long enough to know that it is not ability in the technical field but the price that most companies base there decision on. After all the haggling the innovator of lets just say...

            A design tour.

            600 bucks lets say?

            That 600 dollar design nets over 20K during its duration of use.
            Hundreds of affilaites relie on that tour and materials it comprises often done by the same designer or two and in most cases OUTSOURCED assets.

            As a consultant and designer and content producer I know the deal and its the deal I play everyday, there is not one business dealing I have done knowing that I was not being taken advantage of for my abilities to a degree.

            Hell I even designed for you! But what I am saying does not apply to you but generally it does from an existential point of view looking in, the internet is a buyers market, prices are low. In short the Bulls are out. I know the deal and how it goes and never really angry about it, I been doing it to long to get upset.

            But I am a whore and treated like one for the love of money, while in the course I got little choice.
            Thats the life of "Little People".
            Hey I'm not mad at ya speak your mind let it out

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              • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                best designer on GFY
                • Mar 2003
                • 30307
                #54
                Originally posted by RogerV
                Hey I'm not mad at ya speak your mind let it out
                You are a great guy Roger, ya know from day one I have only wished ya the best

                I am good sport about things and know when people have earned it.

                You have earned it all the way. Which is why I love doing biz with ya
                So any time yer rdy

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                  • RogerV
                    Banned!
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 12591
                    #55
                    Originally posted by Jim Hustler
                    Then you have the other side of that coin... if Hustler is not buying everyone a drink or have a booth or throwing fucking money everywhere

                    "OMG Hustler is really tanking or so and so is totally doing better than Hustler, Hustler is this Hustler is that......

                    Hustler has never been doing better....Hustler is throwing a party in Vegas....Hustler will have its best year in 2006 to date.

                    Do I think it is becuae we throw parties... no not at all...do I think we benefit from the parties we throw...sure to an extent...

                    I think it can be a solid move for a young company looking to reach the next level from a marketing position but I do think that sponsoring the same gigs year in and year out can be a waste of time and will eventually make your brand invisible...

                    RonC does this well by only throwing things here and there...
                    you guys are a great example of a program giving back and are part of the community I love doing biz with Hustler..

                    another Great example with RonC he still gives back and trust me he doesnt need anything

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                      • RogerV
                        Banned!
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 12591
                        #56
                        Originally posted by AlienQ
                        You are a great guy Roger, ya know from day one I have only wished ya the best

                        I am good sport about things and know when people have earned it.

                        You have earned it all the way. Which is why I love doing biz with ya
                        So any time yer rdy
                        I actually have an idea for designers and content providers to make more with us. let me hem it out

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                          • Mr. Jim
                            Confirmed User
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 4372
                            #57
                            Mark can you design box covers???

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                              • bdld
                                $100,000
                                • Dec 2001
                                • 11452
                                #58
                                throwing parties or having a board presence does not qualify as "giving back". some of the best sponsors do neither of these things and i hope they never do. they need to spend their money on their content.

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                                  • Pipecrew
                                    Master of Gfy.com
                                    • Feb 2002
                                    • 14888
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by AlienQ
                                    Paid up front?
                                    Sure but during that PAID upfront process...

                                    The price is knocked down, haggled and the prices are generally based on competitve pricing. Meaning that the company ultimatly got the best deal.

                                    I been around long enough to know that it is not ability in the technical field but the price that most companies base there decision on. After all the haggling the innovator of lets just say...

                                    A design tour.

                                    600 bucks lets say?
                                    A designer should not accept a job for that little then. Rarely we need a designer, but when we do, we pay wayyyyy more then that, and we pay upfront or however they want to deal with it. We dont need to haggle or any of that B.S. You just need to set rules and follow them, people that wont play by the rules, you dont deal with.

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                                      • chadglni
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Dec 2002
                                        • 6924
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by Pipecrew
                                        A designer should not accept a job for that little then. Rarely we need a designer, but when we do, we pay wayyyyy more then that, and we pay upfront or however they want to deal with it. We dont need to haggle or any of that B.S. You just need to set rules and follow them, people that wont play by the rules, you dont deal with.
                                        Nah that wouldn't happen. I mean nobody (cough WebInc) operates like that.


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                                          • Ian
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Oct 2002
                                            • 1259
                                            #61
                                            Someone posted on the weekend about an 80% recurring payout and I almost fell off my chair laughing.

                                            If you believe anything over 70% you are an idiot.

                                            We offer 70% and it's very close after costs, almost not worth it.

                                            LOL

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                                              • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                best designer on GFY
                                                • Mar 2003
                                                • 30307
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by Jim Hustler
                                                Mark can you design box covers???
                                                Of course

                                                Hit me up. No one is buying shit as they scramble for Internext and Chrismas.

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                                                  • Sly
                                                    Let's do some business!
                                                    • Sep 2004
                                                    • 31377
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by pimpporn
                                                    I just wanna know why why some of the most widespread programs have barely any, if any presence on this board. ie. Perfect Gonzo, Nasty dollars, etc.
                                                    Easy.

                                                    They're too busy making people money to worry about stupid board games and silly iPod contests.
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                                                      • Pipecrew
                                                        Master of Gfy.com
                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                        • 14888
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by Sly
                                                        Easy.

                                                        They're too busy making people money to worry about stupid board games and silly iPod contests.
                                                        I am afraid if you keep making sense, people may begin to listen to you.

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                                                          • slapass
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                            • 14625
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by Sly
                                                            Easy.

                                                            They're too busy making people money to worry about stupid board games and silly iPod contests.
                                                            What he said.

                                                            Roger, you rock but long contest threads on GFY are not giving back. $50 days get people to try your program but if it does not convert, no one keeps the links up for long.

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                                                              • Sly
                                                                Let's do some business!
                                                                • Sep 2004
                                                                • 31377
                                                                #66
                                                                Oh, and actually, David from PG posts here quite often and offers a plethora of knowledge on a regular basis. I'd much rather have his knowledge than a few free drinks at a loud party where I can't hear myself think. I should be buying him the drinks, rather.
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                                                                  • RogerV
                                                                    Banned!
                                                                    • Jul 2002
                                                                    • 12591
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by Ian
                                                                    Someone posted on the weekend about an 80% recurring payout and I almost fell off my chair laughing.

                                                                    If you believe anything over 70% you are an idiot.

                                                                    We offer 70% and it's very close after costs, almost not worth it.

                                                                    LOL
                                                                    Exactly and they beter check to see when that program shuts the recurring off prob after 2 months

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                                                                      • RogerV
                                                                        Banned!
                                                                        • Jul 2002
                                                                        • 12591
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by bdld
                                                                        throwing parties or having a board presence does not qualify as "giving back". some of the best sponsors do neither of these things and i hope they never do. they need to spend their money on their content.
                                                                        like other programs dont do that already if they dont they should

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                                                                          • RogerV
                                                                            Banned!
                                                                            • Jul 2002
                                                                            • 12591
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Shit this might be my last thread LOL I'm already doing fine I guess I like to do contest to help the little guys out if I can. trust me I dont get anyhting out of it

                                                                            but from what I'm reading I'm done doing it now

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                                                                              • RogerV
                                                                                Banned!
                                                                                • Jul 2002
                                                                                • 12591
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                Easy.

                                                                                They're too busy making people money to worry about stupid board games and silly iPod contests.
                                                                                I'm making people a shit load and I still give back more and I bet I out convert most. I always put my money where my mouth is..

                                                                                if I dont I will pay you double what they would have made you

                                                                                I call BS

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                                                                                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                                    best designer on GFY
                                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                                    • 30307
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Nah, Roger I think Contests and stuff are cool.
                                                                                    It is a part of branding and when ya get a gift from someone and they use that gift, they remember ya. It is important people remember since they change sponsors go to another sponsor and maybe come back etc.

                                                                                    Most people got the memory of a hamster so...

                                                                                    It's part of the treadmill to remind em.
                                                                                    Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 12-13-2005, 06:15 PM.

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                                                                                      • webgurl
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                        • 7954
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                        Easy.

                                                                                        They're too busy making people money to worry about stupid board games and silly iPod contests.

                                                                                        Help me think of a cool contest

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                                                                                          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                                            best designer on GFY
                                                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                                                            • 30307
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Personally I always thought it odd that affiliate programs do not give away software packages or scripts that could be useful for a traffic genmaster.
                                                                                            Servers, Computers etc.
                                                                                            If I had a program thats what I would do.
                                                                                            Or even vacations.
                                                                                            Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 12-13-2005, 06:18 PM.

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                                                                                              • Sly
                                                                                                Let's do some business!
                                                                                                • Sep 2004
                                                                                                • 31377
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                I'm making people a shit load and I still give back more and I bet I out convert most. I always put my money where my mouth is..

                                                                                                if I dont I will pay you double what they would have made you

                                                                                                I call BS
                                                                                                Do you have free content available?

                                                                                                I'll start sending you traffic if you pay $35 per trial. Conversions can not be any worse than 1:400, second page is fine. No need to pay double, just match. I don't send massive traffic, but it is consistent, meaning you can expect to send me a new check every 2 weeks from my start til my end.
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                                                                                                  • RogerV
                                                                                                    Banned!
                                                                                                    • Jul 2002
                                                                                                    • 12591
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by slapass
                                                                                                    What he said.

                                                                                                    Roger, you rock but long contest threads on GFY are not giving back. $50 days get people to try your program but if it does not convert, no one keeps the links up for long.
                                                                                                    I do the contest for fun 80% of our sales come from whales and $50 days dont work dont it many times. I pay $30 on a trial and give a extra $1000 when you reach 100 trials

                                                                                                    thats not the point I already do everyhting else and I'm done with the extra shit that nobody cares about like diners,contest etc.

                                                                                                    this thread was real informative

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                                                                                                      • Sly
                                                                                                        Let's do some business!
                                                                                                        • Sep 2004
                                                                                                        • 31377
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                        I do the contest for fun 80% of our sales come from whales and $50 days dont work dont it many times. I pay $30 on a trial and give a extra $1000 when you reach 100 trials
                                                                                                        Thats a nice bonus. I'll look into your stuff later this week.

                                                                                                        Is the bonus a one time deal or does it renew after every 100 joins?
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                                                                                                          • BrettJ
                                                                                                            ol' timer
                                                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                                                            • 4715
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                            I do the contest for fun 80% of our sales come from whales and $50 days dont work dont it many times. I pay $30 on a trial and give a extra $1000 when you reach 100 trials

                                                                                                            thats not the point I already do everyhting else and I'm done with the extra shit that nobody cares about like diners,contest etc.

                                                                                                            this thread was real informative
                                                                                                            Sorry to hear that the people in this thread have swayed your opinion of sponsoring events.

                                                                                                            But as the party lists get smaller - the people I talk to - seem to take more notice of the companies that are always involved in helping organize/get people together. Platinumbucks, Lensmans' Projects, Topbucks, CCBill - seem to be on the top of the list of companies that are continually sponsoring events.

                                                                                                            I still don't do nearly enough with the companies I just mentioned - but I definately notice the effort they put out. Everybody else would too - if they dried up.

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                                                                                                              • Cory W
                                                                                                                Deeply shallow
                                                                                                                • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                • 9133
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                We try to mix things up as much as possible. We do contest / giveaways, raise payouts and play host to gatherings. You just have to be as smart and as optimal as possible when you do them.

                                                                                                                The contest are a double-edge sword in a way, as most of the time the winner isn't your affiliate and will never send traffic, however, you really just exposed your product, for whatever that is worth (something of which you may never know).

                                                                                                                With gatherings, you just have to be methodical and insure that both non-affiliates you have never met and current affiliates show up. We try to do this by teaming up with other non-competing programs.

                                                                                                                At the end of the day, you will be judged by your product: the content, the billing schematics, the support, etc.

                                                                                                                The financials in an IPOD giveaway in no way effect payout raises. We will always raise payouts before doing a contest, I think most programs would.

                                                                                                                You have a great product Roger and you obviously care about it, I wouldn't read too much into events and IPOD giveaways. I would also not allow one thread to set the tone for all your future marketing, IMO.

                                                                                                                I need a new ad from you when you get an opportunity
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                                                                                                                  • Shooting_Maniac1
                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                    • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                    • 417
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    What an ignorant post. I would and always will do business people that put their monies back into their company rather then blowing it on a bunch of snot nosed 18 year old kids or a 33 year old that feels he is owed somethng. Un fucking real. How is investing money back into their company in lue of throwing bs parties where 90% of the people there never send them traffic anyways, "sucking money out of the industry"?. Its the total opposite. Fuck the parties, give us more content, more galleries, higher payouts, more site options. Let the kiddies buy their own damn bear. I send my clients a nice Christmas gift every year. I dont have to get them all fucked up and put a titty in their face to keep their business. Glad I dont either.... cuz the day after the show, they have forgot your name. Contest can be cool, if they are planned and targeted, but my god.. using parties and give aways as a buisness plan is just dumb. Service should win everytime and in the end.. it always does.

                                                                                                                    I didnt read this whole thread... maybe it was a joke thread by your Roger and if so, im sorry. If its not a joke, then its the dumbest thing you have ever said.

                                                                                                                    Last edited by Shooting_Maniac1; 12-13-2005, 06:40 PM.

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                                                                                                                      • RogerV
                                                                                                                        Banned!
                                                                                                                        • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                        • 12591
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                                                        Thats a nice bonus. I'll look into your stuff later this week.

                                                                                                                        Is the bonus a one time deal or does it renew after every 100 joins?
                                                                                                                        Its a one time deal to get you to try us out and its an extra bonus once you see how we convert you will be hooked.

                                                                                                                        I didnt realize you guys think a program is hurting when they give back
                                                                                                                        shit I should go stealth hell Might just buy me something with the money.


                                                                                                                        At least i understand now I was wasting my time and money it was fun though

                                                                                                                        call me sometime and I will set you up

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                                                                                                                          • RogerV
                                                                                                                            Banned!
                                                                                                                            • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                            • 12591
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Shooting_Maniac1
                                                                                                                            What an ignorant post. I would and always will do business people that put their monies back into their company rather then blowing it on a bunch of snot nosed 18 year old kids or a 33 year old that feels he is owed somethng. Un fucking real. How is investing money back into their company in lue of throwing bs parties where 90% of the people there never send them traffic anyways, "sucking money out of the industry"?. Its the total opposite. Fuck the parties, give us more content, more galleries, higher payouts, more site options. Let the kiddies buy their own damn bear. I send my clients a nice Christmas gift every year. I dont have to get them all fucked up and put a titty in their face to keep their business. Glad I dont either.... cuz the day after the show, they have forgot your name. Contest can be cool, if they are planned and targeted, but my god.. using parties and give aways as a buisness plan is just dumb. Service should win everytime and in the end.. it always does.

                                                                                                                            I didnt read this whole thread... maybe it was a joke thread by your Roger and if so, im sorry. If its not a joke, then its the dumbest thing you have ever said.

                                                                                                                            I guess your a sucker then LOL

                                                                                                                            your telling me programs like Silvercash,topbucks, hustler,Adult.com I can go on and on dont put there money back into the company and give you everyhting you just mentioned and more?

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                                                                                                                              • RogerV
                                                                                                                                Banned!
                                                                                                                                • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                • 12591
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by BrettJ
                                                                                                                                Sorry to hear that the people in this thread have swayed your opinion of sponsoring events.

                                                                                                                                But as the party lists get smaller - the people I talk to - seem to take more notice of the companies that are always involved in helping organize/get people together. Platinumbucks, Lensmans' Projects, Topbucks, CCBill - seem to be on the top of the list of companies that are continually sponsoring events.

                                                                                                                                I still don't do nearly enough with the companies I just mentioned - but I definately notice the effort they put out. Everybody else would too - if they dried up.

                                                                                                                                this thread just proves most dont care they just like to complain and it has swayed me since nobody came in to even appreciate the give backs. that make this industry fun .

                                                                                                                                But I will support thse that continue too

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                                                                                                                                  • Rep
                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                    • 991
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Suck money out of the industry and never give it back? If you're paying affiliates you're "giving" it back to the industry. Throwing parties, sponsoring contests, etc.. are all marketing to drive more business to your company. Advertising.

                                                                                                                                    It sounds like you're putting yourself on a pedastool Roger.
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                                                                                                                                      • Shooting_Maniac1
                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                        • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                        • 417
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Didnt mean to be all harsh there Roger... Just seen to many new companies more concerned about the "party" then the product. The serious people here only care about the product. Getting together now and then is cool and everyone likes that, but to cater to a bunch of kids who has no clue on who you are or what you do is pointless and theres no finanical reward, longterm in doing so. However, the serious kids understand the value of increased sales tools and better content and day to day support and service that will help put food on their tables. Dont go after the kid looking for beer money for the weekends... those are the pricks that show up at those parties anymore. Go for the kids that wanna eat and ask questions, proving they are in it for more then the beer and peaks at some tits. Those people will come find you if your product is strong. Put the money into the company. Few on here have the resources to do it right. Ron and ccbill is one that does and has always put on parties that were benefical for all those that attended.


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                                                                                                                                          • Shooting_Maniac1
                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                            • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                            • 417
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                                                            I guess your a sucker then LOL

                                                                                                                                            your telling me programs like Silvercash,topbucks, hustler,Adult.com I can go on and on dont put there money back into the company and give you everyhting you just mentioned and more?
                                                                                                                                            No.. im saying you cant. Call me a sucker if you like. We all know the resources those companies have.. or have had. If you think you can play in that game then by all means, spend your money. At the end of the day, we will see who the "sucker" is.

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                                                                                                                                              • TDF
                                                                                                                                                Triple OG nigga on GFY
                                                                                                                                                • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                • 27296
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                one of the worst..threads..ever
                                                                                                                                                Sig heil

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                                                                                                                                                  • RogerV
                                                                                                                                                    Banned!
                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                    • 12591
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by WEG Cory
                                                                                                                                                    We try to mix things up as much as possible. We do contest / giveaways, raise payouts and play host to gatherings. You just have to be as smart and as optimal as possible when you do them.

                                                                                                                                                    The contest are a double-edge sword in a way, as most of the time the winner isn't your affiliate and will never send traffic, however, you really just exposed your product, for whatever that is worth (something of which you may never know).

                                                                                                                                                    With gatherings, you just have to be methodical and insure that both non-affiliates you have never met and current affiliates show up. We try to do this by teaming up with other non-competing programs.

                                                                                                                                                    At the end of the day, you will be judged by your product: the content, the billing schematics, the support, etc.

                                                                                                                                                    The financials in an IPOD giveaway in no way effect payout raises. We will always raise payouts before doing a contest, I think most programs would.

                                                                                                                                                    You have a great product Roger and you obviously care about it, I wouldn't read too much into events and IPOD giveaways. I would also not allow one thread to set the tone for all your future marketing, IMO.

                                                                                                                                                    I need a new ad from you when you get an opportunity
                                                                                                                                                    thanks my brotha it wasnt even about me but I didnt want people to think I was complaining it was more of a general topic.

                                                                                                                                                    Hit me up tomorrow for the ad

                                                                                                                                                    and It bugs me but I will prob. continue to mix it up like you guys do.

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                                                                                                                                                      • RogerV
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                                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                        • 12591
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Shooting_Maniac1
                                                                                                                                                        Didnt mean to be all harsh there Roger... Just seen to many new companies more concerned about the "party" then the product. The serious people here only care about the product. Getting together now and then is cool and everyone likes that, but to cater to a bunch of kids who has no clue on who you are or what you do is pointless and theres no finanical reward, longterm in doing so. However, the serious kids understand the value of increased sales tools and better content and day to day support and service that will help put food on their tables. Dont go after the kid looking for beer money for the weekends... those are the pricks that show up at those parties anymore. Go for the kids that wanna eat and ask questions, proving they are in it for more then the beer and peaks at some tits. Those people will come find you if your product is strong. Put the money into the company. Few on here have the resources to do it right. Ron and ccbill is one that does and has always put on parties that were benefical for all those that attended.


                                                                                                                                                        I understand that a new growing program cant really afford too or eve some mid size ones it was more targeted to large programs the ones that can do it obviously. they know who they are some have posted slamming this thread.

                                                                                                                                                        But I understand and agree with most of what you said
                                                                                                                                                        Last edited by RogerV; 12-13-2005, 07:04 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                          • RogerV
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                                                                                                                                                            • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                            • 12591
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by TDF
                                                                                                                                                            one of the worst..threads..ever

                                                                                                                                                            why it hits home?

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                                                                                                                                                              • TDF
                                                                                                                                                                Triple OG nigga on GFY
                                                                                                                                                                • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                                • 27296
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                                                                                why it hits home?

                                                                                                                                                                not at all..it just shows me how much I really value low key sponsors.Customer service and good content is king
                                                                                                                                                                Sig heil

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                                                                                                                                                                  • RogerV
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                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by TDF
                                                                                                                                                                    not at all..it just shows me how much I really value low key sponsors.Customer service and good content is king

                                                                                                                                                                    Have I not always answered you but you never follow thru with me.
                                                                                                                                                                    maybe cause I'm white who knows.

                                                                                                                                                                    but i bet I convert well for you

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                                                                                                                                                                      • Cory W
                                                                                                                                                                        Deeply shallow
                                                                                                                                                                        • Jan 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                                                                                        thanks my brotha it wasnt even about me but I didnt want people to think I was complaining it was more of a general topic.

                                                                                                                                                                        Hit me up tomorrow for the ad

                                                                                                                                                                        and It bugs me but I will prob. continue to mix it up like you guys do.
                                                                                                                                                                        Toughest thing for me to learn is that in this business, there is no hard-formula with marketing (not that I need to tell you that, you know better than I do).

                                                                                                                                                                        At the end of the day, the product is what will sell the webmaster, how you get there is a different story. Bang Brothers and Nastydollars have a great product and word of mouth attracts tons of business for them. That is their marketing and that is where most any program strives to be. You have a great product as well and you work hard at marketing it, it will pay off, seems it already has.

                                                                                                                                                                        People just misread they way you communicated the thread's contents, it actually is informing.

                                                                                                                                                                        Have a nice night man.
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Marshal
                                                                                                                                                                            Biz Dev and SEO
                                                                                                                                                                            • Jun 2005
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                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            bump for you!
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                                                                                                                                                                              • wargames
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                                                                                                                                                                                • May 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Basically it comes down to how much a sponsor makes me every month. I personally dont care if they throw parties or do contests. If i send sponsor A 30k hits and that makes $2500 and i send sponsor B 30k hits and that only makes $1000 and they throw parties who do you think i am going to send more traffic to next month?
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Translation
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 482
                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                                                                                                    what programs never give back by sponsoring party's at the shows or do contest on the boards etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                    what programs just take from the community and are not part of it or care to be?


                                                                                                                                                                                    Personally I would never do biz with them


                                                                                                                                                                                    Post away if you have the balls
                                                                                                                                                                                    dumbest post EVER.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • RogerV
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 12591
                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by WEG Cory
                                                                                                                                                                                        Toughest thing for me to learn is that in this business, there is no hard-formula with marketing (not that I need to tell you that, you know better than I do).

                                                                                                                                                                                        At the end of the day, the product is what will sell the webmaster, how you get there is a different story. Bang Brothers and Nastydollars have a great product and word of mouth attracts tons of business for them. That is their marketing and that is where most any program strives to be. You have a great product as well and you work hard at marketing it, it will pay off, seems it already has.

                                                                                                                                                                                        People just misread they way you communicated the thread's contents, it actually is informing.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Have a nice night man.
                                                                                                                                                                                        I was playing poker so I would get cut off everytime I tried to respond and get my point accross but at least some understood. its not really about marketing and parties then just being part of the community.

                                                                                                                                                                                        so I'll probbably take a break from the boards unless I get to bored LOL

                                                                                                                                                                                        wonder if I can be a lerker like I used to be in the past

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • RogerV
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Jul 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Translation
                                                                                                                                                                                            dumbest post EVER.
                                                                                                                                                                                            always the anons talking shit

                                                                                                                                                                                            I bet you go to the shows to get free shit and never sent a hit to anyone or maybe you still live at home with mom

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • RogerV
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                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by wargames
                                                                                                                                                                                                Basically it comes down to how much a sponsor makes me every month. I personally dont care if they throw parties or do contests. If i send sponsor A 30k hits and that makes $2500 and i send sponsor B 30k hits and that only makes $1000 and they throw parties who do you think i am going to send more traffic to next month?
                                                                                                                                                                                                we are talking about hundreds of programs though and many that do give back in many ways and are part of the commuity and also have exclusive content etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                                what if sponsor c 30k hits and make you $3000 and does contest, sponsors parties and bars and gives away free shit

                                                                                                                                                                                                who are you going to send all your traffic too?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Sly
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Let's do some business!
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 31377
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by RogerV
                                                                                                                                                                                                    we are talking about hundreds of programs though and many that do give back in many ways and are part of the commuity and also have exclusive content etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    what if sponsor c 30k hits and make you $3000 and does contest, sponsors parties and bars and gives away free shit

                                                                                                                                                                                                    who are you going to send all your traffic too?
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Obviously Sponsor C because it makes more money. The contests, parties, and give-aways don't come into the picture.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    What you should have said was: if Sponsor A and B make you $3k but Sponsor B has parties and contests, who would you pick?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    For me it would still be a toss up unless one offer rewards.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • RogerV
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Obviously Sponsor C because it makes more money. The contests, parties, and give-aways don't come into the picture.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        What you should have said was: if Sponsor A and B make you $3k but Sponsor B has parties and contests, who would you pick?

                                                                                                                                                                                                        For me it would still be a toss up unless one offer rewards.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        it would still be a toss up.. this is why I'm done giving extra its not worth it

                                                                                                                                                                                                        hit me up this week to chat when you have time

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