A question to TGPers, webmaster proggies and TGP owners... - GoFuckYourself.com

-=HOAX=- · 03-20-2002, 03:03 PM

I was just having a discussion with a friend about his affiliate program...

Specifically we were discussing building premade galleries for affiliates.

I proposed that since many affiliates are either a little green in the horns, lack a little marketing savvy, or have become a bit lazy. Offering premade galleries would give the average affiliate the tools necessary to convert.

Which benefits both parties. The plain truth is that 20 pics and 2 banners stopped converting ages ago. But TGPing can still be profitable if done with a bit of creativity and marketing know how.

So since most webmaster programs give away free content anyway, offering it packaged in a well made gallery is a good option for any affiliate program to have.

Now he seems to think that the TGP owners will be listing less of the galleries, since there would be duplicates flying around.

I'm curious as to other peoples takes on the issue...

TGPers do you use or would you use and affiliates premade galleries? Do you convert better or worse using these galleries? Do you get listed better or worse using these galleries?

TGP owners, do you list galleries that look the same but use different content in the same day or update?

Affiliate Programs, do you see better conversions from webmasters that use your premade galleries? Do you offer premade galleries? Do they get used?

Combs · 03-20-2002, 03:17 PM

I like it when I get good free content to play around with, instead of a pre-made gallery. Also, imagine, that you would have a couple of hundreds affiliates then you would have a pretty good number of pre-made galleries in hand, if there would be any useful for them, or else just a few affiliates would benefits from it, the ones who gets the galleries listed first at the major TGP?s.

I would recommend going with quality free content, that is updated regularly, instead and then let your affiliates decide for themselves if they would build galleries, free sites, AVS etc. with it.

Mostly people do know what they do best, and make the most money from; it?s a good advice to use their knowledge in order to make money for you.

Gemini · 03-20-2002, 03:17 PM

Sounds worth a try. Even if the tgp sites won't use them... they could be used for AVS or small free sites.

buster · 03-20-2002, 03:33 PM

we build them and realease a couple here and there but i have not seen an increase

SykkBoy · 03-20-2002, 03:38 PM

I have an idea...maybe webmaster can just sit at home on their lazy asses and I'll just send them a check...I'll provide the content, hosting, pre-made gaklleries, pre-made AVS sites, and SE doorway pages...

if I made a shitload of galleries, why not just submit them myself? Hell,I could hire an assload of office monkeys here for $6 an hour and churn our galleries all day long...instead of paying webmasters too much per click....

Steve · 03-20-2002, 04:09 PM

pre made galleries, and freehosted premade galleries are fucking great if you are the TGP owner. I love 'em. Nice, you get a good gallery, and a % of any sales, all for doing what you normally do. Can't beat that.

And before you go bitching about that being unfair, think. You can do the same thing. Just add these sponsor galleries into your traffic pumps.

Sykkboy, I will be expecting my top ranked SE traffic ASAP. Tell your monkeys to get crackin. And delegate a few to spam a good double opt-in list for me, too ;)

redshift · 03-20-2002, 04:12 PM

do like BoB and give away the members area

I like that

-=HOAX=- · 03-20-2002, 04:16 PM

I agree sykkboy...but the question is not what YOU could do...think of it like this...there are, as this board sometimes displays, quite a few webmasters out there without the slightest clue as to what's going on...

So the question is...would you rather give away free content to a bunch of morons who will use it, expose it, deplete its freshness...and never convert more than the occasional fluke member.

Or would you rather offer the option to those idiotic webmasters out there of having a premade gallery that you know is done well and has at least a slight chance of converting to those idiotic webmasters out there.

Seems to me you may as well improve your chances at conversion if you're gonna dole out the content. The whole point of an affiliate program is that its cheaper than hiring an assload of flunkies at $6 an hour...

As an operator of an affiliate program I'm sure you realize that the ratio of smart, savvy, productive webmasters to moronic weekend porn slingers is not in your favor...

I talk to many who say that after all the expenses, and the checks they send their affiliates, they're only making 4-10 bucks on every member, which leaves them with the dubious task of retention. Seems to me that leading the morons by the dick to the sale may be in a programs best interest seeing as how many of them are out there now.

It only serves you to improve their chances...its not like the real webmasters need it...nor would I imagine they'd use it...they already have their own proven methods...

This is not an idea I'm trying to push upon you my friend...this is just a discussion about an idea that's out there, I'm simply wondering about the views and experiences others have/had.

-=HOAX=- · 03-20-2002, 04:20 PM

Steve,

My question to the tgp owners is more this, if you began to see more galleries, looking the same in design but different in content, and heck you'd probably see total duplicates...how would you go about listing them? First come first serve? Friends before the unknowns...to reap a percentage of the sales you have to sign up as an affiliate and then post the galleries to your own site. Would you then deny all other submissions looking similar?

Steve · 03-20-2002, 04:42 PM

HOAX
This happens all the time. You can look at it two ways. Maybe a gallery builder uses the same sponsor content as a gallery owner.
a)the gallery builder gets linked because he makes nice galleries
b)the gallery builder gets declined because his gallery is better than the TGP owners

It's always a crap shot. As an owner, I figured fuck it, I'll link it. I don't mind. And as a gallery builder, I have seen nice pages declined because the content was just over used. That's frustrating, but it's part of the biz. I can't get pissed at another TGP owner. Everyone has to take care of their business the way they see fit.

So I guess it just depends on where you submit. Like always.

-=HOAX=- · 03-20-2002, 05:01 PM

Word!

dublin1 · 03-20-2002, 08:34 PM

when your dealing with newbies, most that ive run across have dreams of fast easy money firmly insconced in their brain. common-business sense is nowhere to be found. so they go to the first flashy looking sponser they find. down load all the free content they can, then splash it on the sponsers free host in hopes of buying that porsche boxter the following week.
then a month later they discover just how the business works, or how they think it works, then they either go away or tryn learn about the business.
if you have a decent market presense to attract newbies, your galleries'll be used w/ enthusiasm. but in my observations of this biz, giving them a good gallery to use is not going to do them or you much good. they'll either auto submit 15 a day everywhere and get banned or ignoreed, or they'll wind up on the-smallest-tgp-on-earth.com and send you 5 hits a month.
i've only been in this industry since last fall, i havnt really submited or done a whole lot yet, just mostly been observing.
the newbies ive talked to on other boards mostly say or complain about the same thing in regards to tgp. they cant under stand why no body will list their galls. upon looking at them you realize they are either poorly designed or over used pics, or just abouit any other mistake they can make. what they lack is education. just common sense do's and dont's. if you give them a nice gall to use, most will find a way to fuck it up.
if you offer free content, meter it. only enough for a certain # of galleries. then change the content regularly. and make sure they know you change it often, they'll be back for more because its free. then have a short, simple, to the point do's and dont's of how to use the content to make money. keep it simple because they think they already know it all. give them a few templates to learn from, but some how encourage creativity. use big blinking letters;) if at all possible start a tgp or work out a deal with one to list your sponsered sites. thats a bit much, but just an idea.
the key is to show them how to drive the car youve just given them. they are representing you in cyberspace, your logo is plastered to their rear bumper. their purpose in life is to make you money. you cant do it for them, but showing them just enough of the rules, making a slightly smarter work force may help Your conversion ratio.
as far as expierenced webmasters, from what ive seen they prob wouldnt use premades, because of the eventual saturation. and why make it easy?;)
peace from the peanut gallery

SixNine · 03-20-2002, 08:44 PM

Free hosted and premade galleries work well with SoulCash. I've got a shit hot server dedicated to serving up free hosted galleries plus a gang of premade galleries for webmasters to download and add recips etc. The thing about downloadable galleries is you'll need a program license to distribute them.

I've got webmasters building whole TGP's around the hosted galleries... here's a sample of what they look like:
<a href="http://www.gallerysurfer.com/g/xxxsalsa-22/index.htm?sc9gfy">Click here to peep a sample gallery!</a>

Check the sig and hit me up if you need anything getting your free shiyite off the ground

SixNine
SoulCash.com

SykkBoy · 03-20-2002, 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by Steve
Sykkboy, I will be expecting my top ranked SE traffic ASAP. Tell your monkeys to get crackin. And delegate a few to spam a good double opt-in list for me, too ;)

ok, you want that routed through Chinese or Russian servers? you want the miss cleo spam mixed in with the lesbian goatfuckers spam or just general? You gotta work with your sponsor......

actually, HOAX, we (meaning DarkDollars, not MakingBank) give select images to select webmasters...I don't want the same tired content out there, but also don't want someone who doesn't even know what html is submitting 30 pics and one banner to the hun...that does no one any good...this is also why I prefer brokering private traffic deals over public ones...those kinds of things can be addressed....I was being a bit sarcastic, but if the sponsor is providing everything anyways, why not just hire a couple office workers to do the same thing and save $$$? hell, my wife needs a job, maybe I'll hire her ;)))

eru · 03-20-2002, 09:23 PM

It takes me about 30 minutes a day to make a creative gallery in DreamWeaver -- lazy webmasters should do the same.

-eru

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-=HOAX=- Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: CrackYaMental Posts: 4,365	A question to TGPers, webmaster proggies and TGP owners... I was just having a discussion with a friend about his affiliate program... Specifically we were discussing building premade galleries for affiliates. I proposed that since many affiliates are either a little green in the horns, lack a little marketing savvy, or have become a bit lazy. Offering premade galleries would give the average affiliate the tools necessary to convert. Which benefits both parties. The plain truth is that 20 pics and 2 banners stopped converting ages ago. But TGPing can still be profitable if done with a bit of creativity and marketing know how. So since most webmaster programs give away free content anyway, offering it packaged in a well made gallery is a good option for any affiliate program to have. Now he seems to think that the TGP owners will be listing less of the galleries, since there would be duplicates flying around. I'm curious as to other peoples takes on the issue... TGPers do you use or would you use and affiliates premade galleries? Do you convert better or worse using these galleries? Do you get listed better or worse using these galleries? TGP owners, do you list galleries that look the same but use different content in the same day or update? Affiliate Programs, do you see better conversions from webmasters that use your premade galleries? Do you offer premade galleries? Do they get used? __________________ Insert Value Here.

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03-20-2002, 04:16 PM	#8
-=HOAX=- Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: CrackYaMental Posts: 4,365	I agree sykkboy...but the question is not what YOU could do...think of it like this...there are, as this board sometimes displays, quite a few webmasters out there without the slightest clue as to what's going on... So the question is...would you rather give away free content to a bunch of morons who will use it, expose it, deplete its freshness...and never convert more than the occasional fluke member. Or would you rather offer the option to those idiotic webmasters out there of having a premade gallery that you know is done well and has at least a slight chance of converting to those idiotic webmasters out there. Seems to me you may as well improve your chances at conversion if you're gonna dole out the content. The whole point of an affiliate program is that its cheaper than hiring an assload of flunkies at $6 an hour... As an operator of an affiliate program I'm sure you realize that the ratio of smart, savvy, productive webmasters to moronic weekend porn slingers is not in your favor... I talk to many who say that after all the expenses, and the checks they send their affiliates, they're only making 4-10 bucks on every member, which leaves them with the dubious task of retention. Seems to me that leading the morons by the dick to the sale may be in a programs best interest seeing as how many of them are out there now. It only serves you to improve their chances...its not like the real webmasters need it...nor would I imagine they'd use it...they already have their own proven methods... This is not an idea I'm trying to push upon you my friend...this is just a discussion about an idea that's out there, I'm simply wondering about the views and experiences others have/had. __________________ Insert Value Here.

03-20-2002, 03:17 PM	#3
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	Sounds worth a try. Even if the tgp sites won't use them... they could be used for AVS or small free sites.

03-20-2002, 04:09 PM	#6
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	pre made galleries, and freehosted premade galleries are fucking great if you are the TGP owner. I love 'em. Nice, you get a good gallery, and a % of any sales, all for doing what you normally do. Can't beat that. And before you go bitching about that being unfair, think. You can do the same thing. Just add these sponsor galleries into your traffic pumps. Sykkboy, I will be expecting my top ranked SE traffic ASAP. Tell your monkeys to get crackin. And delegate a few to spam a good double opt-in list for me, too ;)

03-20-2002, 04:12 PM	#7
redshift Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: anus fuckin' yo mama Posts: 1,044	do like BoB and give away the members area I like that

03-20-2002, 04:20 PM	#9
-=HOAX=- Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: CrackYaMental Posts: 4,365	Steve, My question to the tgp owners is more this, if you began to see more galleries, looking the same in design but different in content, and heck you'd probably see total duplicates...how would you go about listing them? First come first serve? Friends before the unknowns...to reap a percentage of the sales you have to sign up as an affiliate and then post the galleries to your own site. Would you then deny all other submissions looking similar? __________________ Insert Value Here.

03-20-2002, 04:42 PM	#10
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	HOAX This happens all the time. You can look at it two ways. Maybe a gallery builder uses the same sponsor content as a gallery owner. a)the gallery builder gets linked because he makes nice galleries b)the gallery builder gets declined because his gallery is better than the TGP owners It's always a crap shot. As an owner, I figured fuck it, I'll link it. I don't mind. And as a gallery builder, I have seen nice pages declined because the content was just over used. That's frustrating, but it's part of the biz. I can't get pissed at another TGP owner. Everyone has to take care of their business the way they see fit. So I guess it just depends on where you submit. Like always.

03-20-2002, 05:01 PM	#11
-=HOAX=- Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: CrackYaMental Posts: 4,365	Word! __________________ Insert Value Here.

03-20-2002, 08:34 PM	#12
dublin1 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Location, Location Posts: 198	when your dealing with newbies, most that ive run across have dreams of fast easy money firmly insconced in their brain. common-business sense is nowhere to be found. so they go to the first flashy looking sponser they find. down load all the free content they can, then splash it on the sponsers free host in hopes of buying that porsche boxter the following week. then a month later they discover just how the business works, or how they think it works, then they either go away or tryn learn about the business. if you have a decent market presense to attract newbies, your galleries'll be used w/ enthusiasm. but in my observations of this biz, giving them a good gallery to use is not going to do them or you much good. they'll either auto submit 15 a day everywhere and get banned or ignoreed, or they'll wind up on the-smallest-tgp-on-earth.com and send you 5 hits a month. i've only been in this industry since last fall, i havnt really submited or done a whole lot yet, just mostly been observing. the newbies ive talked to on other boards mostly say or complain about the same thing in regards to tgp. they cant under stand why no body will list their galls. upon looking at them you realize they are either poorly designed or over used pics, or just abouit any other mistake they can make. what they lack is education. just common sense do's and dont's. if you give them a nice gall to use, most will find a way to fuck it up. if you offer free content, meter it. only enough for a certain # of galleries. then change the content regularly. and make sure they know you change it often, they'll be back for more because its free. then have a short, simple, to the point do's and dont's of how to use the content to make money. keep it simple because they think they already know it all. give them a few templates to learn from, but some how encourage creativity. use big blinking letters;) if at all possible start a tgp or work out a deal with one to list your sponsered sites. thats a bit much, but just an idea. the key is to show them how to drive the car youve just given them. they are representing you in cyberspace, your logo is plastered to their rear bumper. their purpose in life is to make you money. you cant do it for them, but showing them just enough of the rules, making a slightly smarter work force may help Your conversion ratio. as far as expierenced webmasters, from what ive seen they prob wouldnt use premades, because of the eventual saturation. and why make it easy?;) peace from the peanut gallery

03-20-2002, 08:44 PM	#13
SixNine Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Sea Town Posts: 1,357	Free hosted and premade galleries work well with SoulCash. I've got a shit hot server dedicated to serving up free hosted galleries plus a gang of premade galleries for webmasters to download and add recips etc. The thing about downloadable galleries is you'll need a program license to distribute them. I've got webmasters building whole TGP's around the hosted galleries... here's a sample of what they look like: <a href="http://www.gallerysurfer.com/g/xxxsalsa-22/index.htm?sc9gfy">Click here to peep a sample gallery!</a> Check the sig and hit me up if you need anything getting your free shiyite off the ground SixNine SoulCash.com Last edited by SixNine; 03-20-2002 at 08:46 PM..

03-20-2002, 09:23 PM	#15
eru Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hawai'i Posts: 2,612	It takes me about 30 minutes a day to make a creative gallery in DreamWeaver -- lazy webmasters should do the same. -eru