does the surfer really give a shit about your designs or skills? - GoFuckYourself.com

spacedog · 11-03-2005, 07:25 PM

If a site is easy to navigate, isnt hard on the eyes & has content & no bullshit, then does the surfer really give a flying fuck what it looks like?

I mean really, I could put up a plain white page with no graphics & all black text with blue links & it wouldnt matter one friggen bit. No difference at all. Or, I could put up a 10k design job complete with flash, graphics, etc & it wouldnt matter at all, would it. all the surfer gives a fuck about is rubbing one out.

Any thoughts on this?

Spunky · 11-03-2005, 07:37 PM

It's all about the content..they just want to beat off

mx8829 · 11-03-2005, 07:38 PM

I would say enticing images / or words would make sales. While he is on click click mode, you want to get his attention. suck him in , then make him pull his card out LOL

seeric · 11-03-2005, 07:39 PM

unfortunately they are getting smarter every day, smarter means they analyze more, so i guess my answer is yes to an extent and no not really? content is king.

slapass · 11-03-2005, 07:40 PM

Not all. Look at the big sites. They are all simple.

xclusive · 11-03-2005, 07:41 PM

Content is king but making it look nice helps a lot

The Truth Hurts · 11-03-2005, 07:42 PM

When i visit a site that looks like shit... i just assume it applies to the entire site and that the owners of the site just don't give a shit... then I leave.

Dagwolf · 11-03-2005, 07:45 PM

Flash is fun, that might keep them around for a bit. A really cool flash trick might induce them to share the link with friends. In general though, it's not worth it because as you said, easy navigation and great content are the most important thing.

Mike Okitch · 11-03-2005, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagwolf

Flash is fun, that might keep them around for a bit. A really cool flash trick might induce them to share the link with friends. In general though, it's not worth it because as you said, easy navigation and great content are the most important thing.

Well said.

What I noticed is that flash can drive surfers away. Some designers are from the "more is better" school of thought and make a site too jammed up with flash and other bells and whistles. That's when you see how fast nothing happens.

Simple elegant design with great content sells.

Doctor Dre · 11-03-2005, 08:23 PM

Content is king ... a good design can definitly be an insensitive ... especially on some niche sites like squirt ...

Linguist · 11-03-2005, 08:24 PM

Simplicity and content is where it's at really. Designs are only good to impress the other webmasters.

DateDoc · 11-03-2005, 08:30 PM

I dont think it matters what your site looks like. I mean look at The Hun and Sleazy Dream. Two very profitable sites that, shall we say, are not the hottest looking in design. A lot of flashy design is wasted on the surfer because he could care less what your site looks like as long as you have the porn he wants. For a pay site I would say a decent design that is easy to navigate helps as you are expecting that person to give you money and it should look like you have some wherewithall so that he feels safe and comfortable in making a financial transaction. However, if you have someting he wants and is buying on impulse I think even a shoddy design will work.

selena · 11-03-2005, 08:33 PM

In regards to gallery conversions, I do better with no graphics and some sexed up text. I personally like pretty designed ones. But I don't see that they make any difference in improving conversions.

Porko · 11-03-2005, 08:38 PM

nah. they dont care a shit the desing. just look the top 5 of tgps:
the hun, world sex, etc.

Jarmusch · 11-03-2005, 08:38 PM

Yep, save money on designs and bandwidth and go simple, less is more. Super elaborate designs only make it harder for the surfers to find the porn they want.

latinasojourn · 11-03-2005, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sjelefall

Simplicity and content is where it's at really. Designs are only good to impress the other webmasters.

true.

if the content is there the site will work:

example alsscan.com very weak design, high quality original content.

adultchica · 11-03-2005, 09:59 PM

Yup I gotta agree with you spacedog...content really is the moneymaker. Just look at the hun! And not trying to be rude, persiankitty is a great site, but it's not the most easily navigable site. I mean it is plastered everywhere with tons of banners all over BUT they have EXCELLENT CONTENT for the surfers. Free pix of chix everywhere. It just goes to show you they only care about the content.

KyleHoppes · 11-03-2005, 10:00 PM

No surfers dont care but webmasters do!

Porko · 11-03-2005, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KyleHoppes

No surfers dont care but webmasters do!

yes but...every adult webmaster was a porn surfer before, so...
5 years ago i use to visit Sublimedirectory, because they have a lot of niches and everythings looks very clear.

hydro · 11-03-2005, 10:32 PM

Well to understand a surfer you have to think like one. Lets say your out looking for a car and you come across this big fancy high end dealership that has all the lambo's, bmw's, lexus's etc. They have a new building, clean lot, sharp looking sales guys and keep everything neat and organized. You go down the road a little more and you see another high end car sales place except they don't have a big new building, they aren't organized and they hire random teens from mcdonalds to sell the cars. Assuming that the prices are all the same where are you more likely to buy your lambo at?

Now i know sites like sleazydream and thehun dont' have any high end graphics but if the high end dealership was giving $10,000 discounts on all purchases and the shitty dealership down the road was giving away free bmw's you'd still go to the shitty dealership because its free. Same thing with tgps, people are getting free porn and whenever your getting something for free you almost expect it to not be of the highest quality. But when your paying for something with the money youve earned, you expect top notch customer service.

ive done 50/50 splits on traffic for both high quality and low quality sites and can confirm that the high quality designed sites do generate more in sales. The only time i saw the lower quality designed sites outperform the high quality sites was when i went with the whole "im an average teen chick who just learned html and took nude pics" thing.

reed_4 · 11-04-2005, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Porko

nah. they dont care a shit the desing. just look the top 5 of tgps:
the hun, world sex, etc.

vary true, they don't care about the details coz they only want to see sex and lots of naked pics.

11-03-2005, 07:25 PM	#1
spacedog Yes that IS me. Bitch. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 14,149	does the surfer really give a shit about your designs or skills? If a site is easy to navigate, isnt hard on the eyes & has content & no bullshit, then does the surfer really give a flying fuck what it looks like? I mean really, I could put up a plain white page with no graphics & all black text with blue links & it wouldnt matter one friggen bit. No difference at all. Or, I could put up a 10k design job complete with flash, graphics, etc & it wouldnt matter at all, would it. all the surfer gives a fuck about is rubbing one out. Any thoughts on this?

11-03-2005, 07:37 PM	#2
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,944	It's all about the content..they just want to beat off __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

11-03-2005, 07:38 PM	#3
mx8829 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 891	I would say enticing images / or words would make sales. While he is on click click mode, you want to get his attention. suck him in , then make him pull his card out LOL __________________ contact jambojack at gmail

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xclusive Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 35,218	Content is king but making it look nice helps a lot __________________ I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /

11-03-2005, 07:45 PM	#8
Dagwolf President of Canada Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Leaving Hell, Entering Limbo Posts: 23,141	Flash is fun, that might keep them around for a bit. A really cool flash trick might induce them to share the link with friends. In general though, it's not worth it because as you said, easy navigation and great content are the most important thing. __________________ Sleep well, and dream of large women.

11-03-2005, 07:39 PM	#4
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	unfortunately they are getting smarter every day, smarter means they analyze more, so i guess my answer is yes to an extent and no not really? content is king.

11-03-2005, 07:40 PM	#5
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	Not all. Look at the big sites. They are all simple.

11-03-2005, 07:42 PM	#7
The Truth Hurts Zph7YXfjMhg Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In Your Skull Posts: 15,306	When i visit a site that looks like shit... i just assume it applies to the entire site and that the owners of the site just don't give a shit... then I leave.

11-03-2005, 08:24 PM	#11
Linguist Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 1,706	Simplicity and content is where it's at really. Designs are only good to impress the other webmasters. __________________ 315-310

11-03-2005, 08:30 PM	#12
DateDoc Outside looking in. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: To Hell You Ride Posts: 14,243	I dont think it matters what your site looks like. I mean look at The Hun and Sleazy Dream. Two very profitable sites that, shall we say, are not the hottest looking in design. A lot of flashy design is wasted on the surfer because he could care less what your site looks like as long as you have the porn he wants. For a pay site I would say a decent design that is easy to navigate helps as you are expecting that person to give you money and it should look like you have some wherewithall so that he feels safe and comfortable in making a financial transaction. However, if you have someting he wants and is buying on impulse I think even a shoddy design will work. __________________

11-03-2005, 08:33 PM	#13
selena Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: On The Edge Posts: 7,994	In regards to gallery conversions, I do better with no graphics and some sexed up text. I personally like pretty designed ones. But I don't see that they make any difference in improving conversions. __________________ ~ Doer of Things at MetArtMoney Where Flawless Beauty Meets Art ~The MetArt Network ~ selena.delgado9

11-03-2005, 08:38 PM	#14
Porko SeeMyBucks.com Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USA Posts: 4,014	nah. they dont care a shit the desing. just look the top 5 of tgps: the hun, world sex, etc. __________________

11-03-2005, 08:38 PM	#15
Jarmusch Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 12,464	Yep, save money on designs and bandwidth and go simple, less is more. Super elaborate designs only make it harder for the surfers to find the porn they want.

11-03-2005, 09:59 PM	#17
adultchica Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: usa Posts: 5,141	Yup I gotta agree with you spacedog...content really is the moneymaker. Just look at the hun! And not trying to be rude, persiankitty is a great site, but it's not the most easily navigable site. I mean it is plastered everywhere with tons of banners all over BUT they have EXCELLENT CONTENT for the surfers. Free pix of chix everywhere. It just goes to show you they only care about the content. __________________

11-03-2005, 10:00 PM	#18
KyleHoppes So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 354	No surfers dont care but webmasters do!

11-03-2005, 10:32 PM	#20
hydro Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dirty 3rd Posts: 4,216	Well to understand a surfer you have to think like one. Lets say your out looking for a car and you come across this big fancy high end dealership that has all the lambo's, bmw's, lexus's etc. They have a new building, clean lot, sharp looking sales guys and keep everything neat and organized. You go down the road a little more and you see another high end car sales place except they don't have a big new building, they aren't organized and they hire random teens from mcdonalds to sell the cars. Assuming that the prices are all the same where are you more likely to buy your lambo at? Now i know sites like sleazydream and thehun dont' have any high end graphics but if the high end dealership was giving $10,000 discounts on all purchases and the shitty dealership down the road was giving away free bmw's you'd still go to the shitty dealership because its free. Same thing with tgps, people are getting free porn and whenever your getting something for free you almost expect it to not be of the highest quality. But when your paying for something with the money youve earned, you expect top notch customer service. ive done 50/50 splits on traffic for both high quality and low quality sites and can confirm that the high quality designed sites do generate more in sales. The only time i saw the lower quality designed sites outperform the high quality sites was when i went with the whole "im an average teen chick who just learned html and took nude pics" thing.