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tony286 · 11-01-2005, 10:59 AM

We continued using them and they havent missed a payment once they started again. Been very steady. Im also using 2 others spreading risk.

4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 11:00 AM

I have had no problems with them so far, hence my trust in them. I have had people swear by Ford Trucks, but some guy in Podunk, PA had a problem with his once, should I never buy Ford again? Rebranding, and Brand restructuring is a big thing these days, and you'd be surprised what happens when you give someone a chance. As for the open manhole head first, isn't that an extreme sport? And who in this whole forum doesn't take chances with their money?

TheLegacy · 11-01-2005, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

I will not defend iBill for what is done, I will say however if you don't look toward the future, espescially with the internet being a forward thinking entity, then you probably have no hope for your future.

Heres to the future promised by I-Bill

TheLegacy · 11-01-2005, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

I have had no problems with them so far, hence my trust in them. I have had people swear by Ford Trucks, but some guy in Podunk, PA had a problem with his once, should I never buy Ford again? Rebranding, and Brand restructuring is a big thing these days, and you'd be surprised what happens when you give someone a chance. As for the open manhole head first, isn't that an extreme sport? And who in this whole forum doesn't take chances with their money?

it is clear that you are being influenced by them.. if it was just ONCE then we wouldnt be so harsh.. but IBill hasnt done it more than once.. to more than one webmaster.. and guess what?? still continues to do it @!!!

they still havent paid their bill to a few companies that they were doing business with to get their new image off the ground !! Dont make me name names and call IBill out as to why they refuse to pay close to 14K to a company that helped them get their advertising shit together and never paid the company - instead they used that company to train someone for free

4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 11:04 AM

You ever eat fast food... Looks really good on TV, but when served does it look the same? I'd venture to say no, and I'll also bet that you repeatedly visit the same restaurant for the same shitty food.

TheLegacy · 11-01-2005, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

You ever eat fast food... Looks really good on TV, but when served does it look the same? I'd venture to say no, and I'll also bet that you repeatedly visit the same restaurant for the same shitty food.

no I dont.. and that is why Ibill has left a bad taste in everyones mouth.. webmasters and I refuse to go back to that shitty trough and get fed more lies from you and the IBill team

Heres some words of advice you can take back to IBill when you talk to them

if IBill is expecting to get forgiven - not going to happen until they pay everyone up and continue to do so RE the company I was just commenting on.

if IBill is serious about gaining our trust - then face them and own up to what was happening and make some serious efforts instead of thinking webmasters are idiots

4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 11:11 AM

I'm new to the whole adult web commerce format. Enlighten me on what it should be like??? Please? Just because you have a platform from which to bitch, that is easily accessible, you chose to do so. I on the otherhand am trying to get a message out that you don't want to be heard, obviously. So I am going to assume you (anyone who talks badly about iBill) work for someone else who is paying you just the same as you assume that I am being influenced by iBill. The only influence that iBill has on me is that they process for me, and they do it right.

TheLegacy · 11-01-2005, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

I'm new to the whole adult web commerce format. Enlighten me on what it should be like??? Please? Just because you have a platform from which to bitch, that is easily accessible, you chose to do so. I on the otherhand am trying to get a message out that you don't want to be heard, obviously. So I am going to assume you (anyone who talks badly about iBill) work for someone else who is paying you just the same as you assume that I am being influenced by iBill. The only influence that iBill has on me is that they process for me, and they do it right.

You simply dont get it. I know webmasters now who signed up with you that you still dont pay !!! So what new future IBill is that??\

I am a content company, plugin movies I am not influenced by any company such as yourself who asks me to post comments against IBill. What I am influenced by are webmasters that I speak too on a daily basis who ask for advice and who also vent to me their problems with Ibill.

so you see, I dont receive any money from this - nor am I working with your competitors - so how do you respond when you hear it from someone who is not bought off by your competitors or told what to say outside of the truth that being I have seen what you and IBill have done to my clients and continue to do so??

4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 11:15 AM

There is a light at the end of this dark iBill tunnel that you speak of... It's going to take a short while to get to that light, but you will get there. Let's do this, stop all the talk! Let iBill prove all of you wrong, and become the #1 Processor AGAIN! You'll be begging them for a phone call to rejoin.

Fetish · 11-01-2005, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

If I was a shareholder, that would mean you should be asking me for money. No, I'm not going to go into detail my connection, that's irrelevant. But every battle has two sides, and I choose to side with your so called enemy. I'm informed of the facts, and maybe if you paid any attention to iBills letters and emails, you might be informed as well. Would you believe me if I told you they owed me money too. Everyone's got to have a little faith, and if nothing happens, ever... Then none of this blog will ever be remembered. When the rest of the people owed get paid, there will be a lot of foot in mouth insertion websites popping up all over the place, only the webmasters will be the models!

Why would you use them when there are much better alternatives? What is one good reason?

TheLegacy · 11-01-2005, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

There is a light at the end of this dark iBill tunnel that you speak of... It's going to take a short while to get to that light, but you will get there. Let's do this, stop all the talk! Let iBill prove all of you wrong, and become the #1 Processor AGAIN! You'll be begging them for a phone call to rejoin.

Are you an IBill bot??

I assume your not reading anything that has been written or getting the point. Proof upon proof that they are continually doing the same thing as they did before gets thrown at you and you still stand up and say - they will be better dont worry.. light at the end of a tunnel.

well guess what.. with IBill - the light at the end of the tunnel for webmasters is a train coming the other way to fuck them over again !!!!!!

4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 11:19 AM

By the way, I don't work for iBill - I think I said that already, so please stop. I am a webmaster just like the rest. Fortunately I don't have any money owed, so yes, I am optimistic. You are free to speak your mind. Oh yeah, and I had one problem with iBill, my banking info wasn't correct, so if you know webmasters who aren't getting paid, maybe they should check that out first before they call iBill crooks.

4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 11:21 AM

You seem like an anti-iBill bot yourself buddy. Let's not point fingers. I have been trying to be civil, and you are so offensive - toward me - and I'm not iBill.

TheLegacy · 11-01-2005, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

By the way, I don't work for iBill - I think I said that already, so please stop. I am a webmaster just like the rest. Fortunately I don't have any money owed, so yes, I am optimistic. You are free to speak your mind. Oh yeah, and I had one problem with iBill, my banking info wasn't correct, so if you know webmasters who aren't getting paid, maybe they should check that out first before they call iBill crooks.

sorry your credibility is at question here. You are not a webmaster and if you are then IBill has begged you to stand up for them.

Go back to your puppet masters and ask them why they havent paid their bills to companies or webmasters that are owed? If you truly are a webmaster then you will listen to other webmasters rather than a company that died to us a long time ago.

I have had enough of your sucking the cock of IBill management hoping that webmasters will forget and forgive them. Not going to post to this thread again since you are not interested in hearing from anyone but attempting to promote IBill as a safe company to deal with when every webmaster who has been around knows the facts.

If you want to use IBill then fine - you have been warned by everyone who has dealt with them. But dont come crying like a rejected whore that they are changing and prepared to be forgiven again. and btw.. we are not idiots.. we know you are IBill. Only they have something good to say about their company

Tipsy · 11-01-2005, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

....and I'm not iBill.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Given the subject and the amount of people still being royally screwed he's also being VERY civil to a complete fucking tosspot Ibill employee with no clue.

Last

as it was a daft thread from the start

SilentKnight · 11-01-2005, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

I'm new to the whole adult web commerce format. Enlighten me on what it should be like??? Please? Just because you have a platform from which to bitch, that is easily accessible, you chose to do so. I on the otherhand am trying to get a message out that you don't want to be heard, obviously. So I am going to assume you (anyone who talks badly about iBill) work for someone else who is paying you just the same as you assume that I am being influenced by iBill. The only influence that iBill has on me is that they process for me, and they do it right.

Your glaring arrogance and obvious vested interest paints you as the ONLY individual in this thread that supports iBill's continuing rip-off scam against webmasters. Despite numerous people in this discussion that have pointed out the facts time and time again - still you refuse to listen and continue with your ridiculous iBill defense.

I guess we must all be somehow fucking delusion - and you're the only one with 20/20 vision. Silly us.

Inform those you defend that we *might* listen AFTER revenues owed are paid in full, along with the promised interest.

Until then...STFU. You and the company you sing the praises for are a contemptuous insult and total disgrace to the adult industry, webmaster community and e-commerce entrepreneurs around the world.

SilentKnight

Kastle Archives Productions Inc.

4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 11:27 AM

You are a narrow minded prick... Yes I said it. I am new to the game, and I don't listen to rumors. But webmasters are not financial advisors.

4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 11:28 AM

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We continued using them and they havent missed a payment once they started again. Been very steady. Im also using 2 others spreading risk.
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You obviously missed that thread?

TheLegacy · 11-01-2005, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Your glaring arrogance and obvious vested interest paints you as the ONLY individual in this thread that supports iBill's continuing rip-off scam against webmasters. Despite numerous people in this discussion that have pointed out the facts time and time again - still you refuse to listen and continue with your ridiculous iBill defense.

I guess we must all be somehow fucking delusion - and you're the only one with 20/20 vision. Silly us.

Inform those you defend that we *might* listen AFTER revenues owed are paid in full, along with the promised interest.

Until then...STFU. You and the company you sing the praises for are a contemptuous insult and total disgrace to the adult industry, webmaster community and e-commerce entrepreneurs around the world.

SilentKnight

Kastle Archives Productions Inc.

elloquently said.

4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 11:32 AM

If you listen to webmasters for advice then listen to this - I USE iBill - I have had no problems with them. So for any other webmasters out there who don't actually get off to the porn they sell, like ROB, feel free to use your own mind in making a decision on who you choose to process for you. I also use CCBill, and like them also. Just nothing to defend with them. But when the time comes, I will

TheLegacy · 11-01-2005, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

But webmasters are not financial advisors.

and apparently, neither are you by submitting that IBill is secure and safe

Nikki_Licks · 11-01-2005, 11:35 AM

[To use ibill or not?]That is a simple answer NO!!!
You have seen what everyone else has said. This company has shown its true colors and to be asked to work with them in any way shape or form is totally out of the question. They owe money and should payup now...not whenever it pleases their ass.
Thank goodness we never used them and we never will.
just my

4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 11:35 AM

Give me proof... Not rumor, that iBill, at the present moment is not secure and safe, and I'll switch and utilize only CCBill. But rumor after rumor doesn't change blue to green.

TheLegacy · 11-01-2005, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

Give me proof... Not rumor, that iBill, at the present moment is not secure and safe, and I'll switch and utilize only CCBill. But rumor after rumor doesn't change blue to green.

give us proof that you were paid? that you are recieving your money from them.. that they arent manipulating you or that you have a connection to them?

show us that you are getting money or do we take your word on that when hundreds of webmasters (according to you) come on this board and lie that they arent getting paid by IBill. If Ibill was paying them, why isnt IBill coming on to show that they were paid and that the rumours were false??

4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 11:40 AM

All you have told me, is what other people have told you. I was told a young age that Santa was real, I'd get money for my teeth if I left them under my pillow, etc... Did you sever your relationship with your parents when you found out they had lied to you about all that? And then go tell all your friends that their parents are liars too?

TheLegacy · 11-01-2005, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

All you have told me, is what other people have told you. I was told a young age that Santa was real, I'd get money for my teeth if I left them under my pillow, etc... Did you sever your relationship with your parents when you found out they had lied to you about all that? And then go tell all your friends that their parents are liars too?

then show us proof that you are paid faithfully by them or are we to take your word?

show us proof that you are not connected to Ibill in some way or are we to take your word?

4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 11:42 AM

Quite possibly Rob, the people who aren't on here posting, are the one's getting paid. I believe that iBill had more than a couple hundred customers, and when you do the math, a very small portion of them are on here complaining. So more people are happy than not, and you just can't get over the fact that someone else is getting paid and a few of your friends haven't gotten paid yet.

TheLegacy · 11-01-2005, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

Quite possibly Rob, the people who aren't on here posting, are the one's getting paid. I believe that iBill had more than a couple hundred customers, and when you do the math, a very small portion of them are on here complaining. So more people are happy than not, and you just can't get over the fact that someone else is getting paid and a few of your friends haven't gotten paid yet.

then show us proof that you are paid faithfully by them or are we to take your word?

show us proof that you are not connected to Ibill in some way or are we to take your word?

4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 11:44 AM

You don't have to take my word, but what do you expect me to give you to prove it? You want my personal account info with them so you can call and verify? Are you nuts?

MacDaddyPlaya · 11-01-2005, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

Give me proof... Not rumor, that iBill, at the present moment is not secure and safe, and I'll switch and utilize only CCBill. But rumor after rumor doesn't change blue to green.

The only proof you should need is the fact, not rumor, that iBill/IBD/PHSL is still owned by the same people who fucked over so many really good people and forced many of them out of the biz costing them hundreds of thousands of dollars.

If you choose to entrust these people with your money, go for it and I wish you the best. But please do not insult our intelligence by trying to promote them as anything more than they are. Too many people got hurt badly by iBill and no matter how long they pay you on time, iBill is not going to get a second chance.

4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 11:47 AM

For a lot of new people out there, it's not a second chance. And if you took a look at the way iBill handles money these days, you would notice differeces. I have researched all over the internet, and to me the choice is easy. It's like the dog at the pound that no one wants, that turns out to be the dog that saves your life! I say if they were #1 before, why can't they be #1 again?

TheLegacy · 11-01-2005, 11:49 AM

me thinks you are a lawyer for IBill

have a look at these recent samples or do you not trust the new york daily times either and other sites?

http://www.newyorkdailytimes.com/home.htm?m=ibill

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/2/11/16207/9517

http://channels.lockergnome.com/poli...ustomers.phtml

MikeSmoke · 11-01-2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by collegeboyslive

Humm we still have a bunch of rebills with ibill, we wont prime process with them, HOWEVER AGAIN in October they have MISSED theire payouts !!!

when calling they know they missed them and at first said they will pay them on the 1st, when I called today they said, sorry nope now we will pay them on the 15th again no one was available to really talk to just a prepared statenment read by the customer support dept.

no supervisor and certainly no payables people they were all "unabavailbale"

BTW the payouts I am talking about are the RESERVES that have been held back 6 months,

I would say that Ibill still seems to be in hot water and missing payments.

I will update this if I ever get a response

i'm sorry, this could NEVER happen at the NEW ibill........

TheLegacy · 11-01-2005, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

You don't have to take my word, but what do you expect me to give you to prove it? You want my personal account info with them so you can call and verify? Are you nuts?

then why do you demand that webmasters show us proof when you yourself wont give us yours. Why are webmasters liers and your not?

then show us proof that you are paid faithfully by them or are we to take your word?

show us proof that you are not connected to Ibill in some way or are we to take your word?

or Shut the Fuck up

additional proof. lets see yours now?

http://www.newyorkdailytimes.com/home.htm?m=ibill

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/2/11/16207/9517

http://channels.lockergnome.com/pol...customers.phtml

4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 11:53 AM

Media, Media, Media - Did you know that those same publications make society believe that they have all kinds of illnesses, that your daughter is too fat, or too skinny, or that bald isn't better? They do the same with business... Scary huh... It is a perpetual cycle of bullshit. The only people you can get answers from is iBill. You don't live off facts you live off fiction. Get your hands dirty to find out where the problem lies, don't ask someone to do it for you.

SilentKnight · 11-01-2005, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

You are a narrow minded prick... Yes I said it. I am new to the game, and I don't listen to rumors. But webmasters are not financial advisors.

You've aptly demonstrated your total insignificance. In fact, your posts here are nothing more than stereotypical troll behavior. I suspect your motivations are merely to agitate.

Make no mistake - labeling someone in this community "a narrow minded prick" during a business-oriented discussion will come back to haunt you someday.

What goes around, comes around.

Run along now to your little cubicle where all is happy and bright for you - for the time being.

Silent Knight

Kastle Archives Productions Inc.

- fucking `tards

4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 11:55 AM

If I gave you proof, it wouldn't change your narrow mind. You would try to find some way to debunk my theory that iBill has changed from what you know it to be.

TheLegacy · 11-01-2005, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

Media, Media, Media - Did you know that those same publications make society believe that they have all kinds of illnesses, that your daughter is too fat, or too skinny, or that bald isn't better? They do the same with business... Scary huh... It is a perpetual cycle of bullshit. The only people you can get answers from is iBill. You don't live off facts you live off fiction. Get your hands dirty to find out where the problem lies, don't ask someone to do it for you.

LMAO you are too funny, you really dont want the truth do you??.

first you wont take the word of webmasters, now you wont take the word of trusted new sources.. so lets them ask, if iBill is making a comeback, why are all their ads are dropping off of the sites they started advertising on?

4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 11:56 AM

Just a living room and a computer... Sorry to disappoint.. and yes I am insignificant to your little world of hating.

4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 11:58 AM

Probably because they are trying to use that money to payout ranting webmasters... Just a thought. But what do I know?

MacDaddyPlaya · 11-01-2005, 11:58 AM

I do admire your tenacity, as misplaced as it is. Just hope you got cash as compensation from iBill. As I expected from you, another typical iBill poster, you ignore the facts and spew crap. The ole, "no publicity is bad publicity" approach.

I'm just glad you guys at iBill keep threads like this alive. Reminds us all of who you really are and what you are really about. Keeps the bitter taste fresh in everyones mouth.

TheLegacy · 11-01-2005, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

If I gave you proof, it wouldn't change your narrow mind. You would try to find some way to debunk my theory that iBill has changed from what you know it to be.

ah.. so it is up to us to prove to you, but you cant prove to us?? You are so OWNED !! YOu cant even prove your own statements but demand us to on ours. I show you articles written by other sources not from the adult industry and you still smirk at it. very similar to a paid employee or a lawyer attempting to make IBill look good with huge mountains of proof.

You truly know how to make a mountain into a molehill.

so lets try this webmasterboy who has nothing to do with Ibill and refuses to accept truth - if iBill is making a comeback, why are all their ads are dropping off of the sites they started advertising on?

to name a few - adultchamber, weboverdrive, netpond, adult insider to name a few. others were prepaid and expiring.

Forest · 11-01-2005, 12:02 PM

this thread is funny in so many ways

SilentKnight · 11-01-2005, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

I'm just glad you guys at iBill keep threads like this alive. Reminds us all of who you really are and what you are really about. Keeps the bitter taste fresh in everyones mouth.

4TheMoney · 11-01-2005, 12:07 PM

I say go fuck yourself. After all, that's what this site is all about right, helping your "fellow" webmaster-baters, and guiding their decisions by your opinion. Well, time to hit up the local McD's for lunch... Keep up the good advertising with all your messages... good job guys...

TheLegacy · 11-01-2005, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

Probably because they are trying to use that money to payout ranting webmasters... Just a thought. But what do I know?

are your also webby

http://www.gfyboard.com/showthread.php?t=412297

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=426616

TheLegacy · 11-01-2005, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

I say go fuck yourself. After all, that's what this site is all about right, helping your "fellow" webmaster-baters, and guiding their decisions by your opinion. Well, time to hit up the local McD's for lunch... Keep up the good advertising with all your messages... good job guys...

thanks for visiting Webby / IBill or whoever you are.

Nikki_Licks · 11-01-2005, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLegacy

thanks for visiting Webby / IBill or whoever you are.

Absolutely PRICELESS!!!!!

Serge Litehead · 11-01-2005, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 4TheMoney

I say go fuck yourself. After all, that's what this site is all about right, helping your "fellow" webmaster-baters, and guiding their decisions by your opinion. Well, time to hit up the local McD's for lunch... Keep up the good advertising with all your messages... good job guys...

job well done!

collegeboyslive · 11-01-2005, 12:24 PM

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I'm new to the whole adult web commerce format. Enlighten me on what it should be like??? Please? Just because you have a platform from which to bitch,

Sure I can be objective. when I first started using Ibill many many years ago they were great , 24/7 support, the person on the other end of the phone spoke english

and knew the answers, payments arrived in my bank on time or withing a day or so. cmi was updated and accurate. loved it.

then one day in september they payments stopped. so did the englisg speaking perople and the 24/7 support, the knolege of the people on the phone IF you could get them was zero and routed oftern to mailboxes that weer full .

Today its a little better, what payments I stil have with them sorta come on time, the reserves never showed up in my account last month, as I am told no ones did, they cant answer my questions. the people on the other end of the phone sometimes barely speak english, 24 / 7 support has gone, even during support hours i oftern get the out of hoursd message at 11 am in the morning (est ) if I have a question about payments i am told there is no superisor there and "payables" wont take phone calls, I have to e-mail them. I do, gues what , no reply. I asked about intergrating ibill as a backup processor with my systems I was told i would receive a call back to help set that up, it never happened.

You ask what I would want. I would want the old ibill back. luckily theire are other processors that are willing to offer this.

Ibill once in the middle of this asked us to trust them, wel since they have about 23K still of my money its a little hard to do, and each time i put down the phone , frustrated because "abdule" from soem inian tech center has no basic information and cant transfer me anywhere my "trust" of them slips alittle further away.

zac

11-01-2005, 11:00 AM	#52
4TheMoney Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	No Problems With Payouts I have had no problems with them so far, hence my trust in them. I have had people swear by Ford Trucks, but some guy in Podunk, PA had a problem with his once, should I never buy Ford again? Rebranding, and Brand restructuring is a big thing these days, and you'd be surprised what happens when you give someone a chance. As for the open manhole head first, isn't that an extreme sport? And who in this whole forum doesn't take chances with their money?

11-01-2005, 11:04 AM	#55
4TheMoney Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	Pretty Crafty Rob... You ever eat fast food... Looks really good on TV, but when served does it look the same? I'd venture to say no, and I'll also bet that you repeatedly visit the same restaurant for the same shitty food.

11-01-2005, 11:11 AM	#57
4TheMoney Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	I'm New.. That I can Admit... I'm new to the whole adult web commerce format. Enlighten me on what it should be like??? Please? Just because you have a platform from which to bitch, that is easily accessible, you chose to do so. I on the otherhand am trying to get a message out that you don't want to be heard, obviously. So I am going to assume you (anyone who talks badly about iBill) work for someone else who is paying you just the same as you assume that I am being influenced by iBill. The only influence that iBill has on me is that they process for me, and they do it right.

11-01-2005, 11:15 AM	#59
4TheMoney Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	Patience - The wait for monies owed... There is a light at the end of this dark iBill tunnel that you speak of... It's going to take a short while to get to that light, but you will get there. Let's do this, stop all the talk! Let iBill prove all of you wrong, and become the #1 Processor AGAIN! You'll be begging them for a phone call to rejoin.

11-01-2005, 11:27 AM	#67
4TheMoney Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	Awwww... Did that hurt? You are a narrow minded prick... Yes I said it. I am new to the game, and I don't listen to rumors. But webmasters are not financial advisors.

11-01-2005, 10:59 AM	#51
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	We continued using them and they havent missed a payment once they started again. Been very steady. Im also using 2 others spreading risk.

11-01-2005, 11:19 AM	#62
4TheMoney Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	By the way, I don't work for iBill - I think I said that already, so please stop. I am a webmaster just like the rest. Fortunately I don't have any money owed, so yes, I am optimistic. You are free to speak your mind. Oh yeah, and I had one problem with iBill, my banking info wasn't correct, so if you know webmasters who aren't getting paid, maybe they should check that out first before they call iBill crooks.

11-01-2005, 11:21 AM	#63
4TheMoney Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	You seem like an anti-iBill bot yourself buddy. Let's not point fingers. I have been trying to be civil, and you are so offensive - toward me - and I'm not iBill.

11-01-2005, 11:28 AM	#68
4TheMoney Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	\| reply \| quick reply #51 tony404 www.2257update.com Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 15,020 We continued using them and they havent missed a payment once they started again. Been very steady. Im also using 2 others spreading risk. __________________ You obviously missed that thread?

11-01-2005, 11:32 AM	#70
4TheMoney Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	If you listen to webmasters for advice then listen to this - I USE iBill - I have had no problems with them. So for any other webmasters out there who don't actually get off to the porn they sell, like ROB, feel free to use your own mind in making a decision on who you choose to process for you. I also use CCBill, and like them also. Just nothing to defend with them. But when the time comes, I will

11-01-2005, 11:35 AM	#72
Nikki_Licks Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Behind The Lens Posts: 6,323	[To use ibill or not?]That is a simple answer NO!!! You have seen what everyone else has said. This company has shown its true colors and to be asked to work with them in any way shape or form is totally out of the question. They owe money and should payup now...not whenever it pleases their ass. Thank goodness we never used them and we never will. just my __________________ Amateur Content ICQ: 292 356 077

11-01-2005, 11:35 AM	#73
4TheMoney Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	What the fuck do you know? Really? Give me proof... Not rumor, that iBill, at the present moment is not secure and safe, and I'll switch and utilize only CCBill. But rumor after rumor doesn't change blue to green.

11-01-2005, 11:40 AM	#75
4TheMoney Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	All you have told me, is what other people have told you. I was told a young age that Santa was real, I'd get money for my teeth if I left them under my pillow, etc... Did you sever your relationship with your parents when you found out they had lied to you about all that? And then go tell all your friends that their parents are liars too?

11-01-2005, 11:42 AM	#77
4TheMoney Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	Quite possibly Rob, the people who aren't on here posting, are the one's getting paid. I believe that iBill had more than a couple hundred customers, and when you do the math, a very small portion of them are on here complaining. So more people are happy than not, and you just can't get over the fact that someone else is getting paid and a few of your friends haven't gotten paid yet.

11-01-2005, 11:44 AM	#79
4TheMoney Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	You don't have to take my word, but what do you expect me to give you to prove it? You want my personal account info with them so you can call and verify? Are you nuts?

11-01-2005, 11:47 AM	#81
4TheMoney Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	Second Chance? For a lot of new people out there, it's not a second chance. And if you took a look at the way iBill handles money these days, you would notice differeces. I have researched all over the internet, and to me the choice is easy. It's like the dog at the pound that no one wants, that turns out to be the dog that saves your life! I say if they were #1 before, why can't they be #1 again?

11-01-2005, 11:49 AM	#82
TheLegacy SEO Connoisseur Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brantford, Ontario Posts: 17,111	me thinks you are a lawyer for IBill have a look at these recent samples or do you not trust the new york daily times either and other sites? http://www.newyorkdailytimes.com/home.htm?m=ibill http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/2/11/16207/9517 http://channels.lockergnome.com/poli...ustomers.phtml __________________ SEO Connoisseur Microsoft Teams: Robert Warren SEO Telegram: @TheLegacy54 RobertWarrenSEO.com

11-01-2005, 11:53 AM	#85
4TheMoney Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	Media, Media, Media - Did you know that those same publications make society believe that they have all kinds of illnesses, that your daughter is too fat, or too skinny, or that bald isn't better? They do the same with business... Scary huh... It is a perpetual cycle of bullshit. The only people you can get answers from is iBill. You don't live off facts you live off fiction. Get your hands dirty to find out where the problem lies, don't ask someone to do it for you.

11-01-2005, 11:55 AM	#87
4TheMoney Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	If I gave you proof, it wouldn't change your narrow mind. You would try to find some way to debunk my theory that iBill has changed from what you know it to be.

11-01-2005, 11:56 AM	#89
4TheMoney Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	No Cubicle Just a living room and a computer... Sorry to disappoint.. and yes I am insignificant to your little world of hating.

11-01-2005, 11:58 AM	#90
4TheMoney Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	Disappearing Ads? Probably because they are trying to use that money to payout ranting webmasters... Just a thought. But what do I know?

11-01-2005, 11:58 AM	#91
MacDaddyPlaya Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Just north of Cuba Posts: 1,785	I do admire your tenacity, as misplaced as it is. Just hope you got cash as compensation from iBill. As I expected from you, another typical iBill poster, you ignore the facts and spew crap. The ole, "no publicity is bad publicity" approach. I'm just glad you guys at iBill keep threads like this alive. Reminds us all of who you really are and what you are really about. Keeps the bitter taste fresh in everyones mouth. __________________ Sigless

11-01-2005, 12:02 PM	#93
Forest Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hollywood Fl. Posts: 8,988	this thread is funny in so many ways

11-01-2005, 12:07 PM	#95
4TheMoney Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	You say tomato- I say go fuck yourself. After all, that's what this site is all about right, helping your "fellow" webmaster-baters, and guiding their decisions by your opinion. Well, time to hit up the local McD's for lunch... Keep up the good advertising with all your messages... good job guys...