Sick and tired of sponsors manipulating sales... - GoFuckYourself.com

AkiraSS · 10-22-2005, 07:59 AM

- Shaving
- Batching
- Timing
- Scrubbing...

With enough traffic I've learned how every sponsor out there operates. Do you sheep (webmasters) think it's a coincidence to get 1:3000 3 weeks in a row and then 1:120 couple of days? Nope. You're all widely considered as sheep. Remember that, that's why everyone and his mother wants to have a paysite.

TRAFFIC, it's all about that, who controls it. Sponsors are a dime a dozen. Scamming short-sighted fucks 90% of them.

Don't be loyal to a sponsor. It's pathetic to see how weeks in a row when u send good traffic u get shit conversions, but when u stop the traffic u get miracle sales and conversions. Again

all of you scamming bastards. Even most of the big ones.

brand0n · 10-22-2005, 08:25 AM

want a 0% shave?

click my sig.

cherrylula · 10-22-2005, 08:28 AM

no complaints here.

~Ray · 10-22-2005, 08:31 AM

I'm going to stop being loyal to people I've never met. I hate "GLITCHES" every 3 days.

poorwebmaster · 10-22-2005, 08:44 AM

Marshal · 10-22-2005, 09:09 AM

then, you suggest to change sponsors every couple of weeks?

DBS.US · 10-22-2005, 09:15 AM

bigdog · 10-22-2005, 09:27 AM

if you got a lot of bookmark traffic, old sites are just not going to do as well as new ones. Also bad conversion can be due to tours, if the sponsors updates tours with new updates, different girls on a tour will affect conversions

Doctor Dre · 10-22-2005, 09:41 AM

Not a good thread to make ... basicly you're calling out all sponsors ...
excuse me but ALL ccbill sponsors have totally shitty stats right now ... summer used to have big time slowdowns ...

a lot factors comes into play when it comes to sales...

Doctor Dre · 10-22-2005, 09:42 AM

Also... a design / add / site can get overexposed with your traffic...

RogerV · 10-22-2005, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AkiraSS

- Shaving
- Batching
- Timing
- Scrubbing...

With enough traffic I've learned how every sponsor out there operates. Do you sheep (webmasters) think it's a coincidence to get 1:3000 3 weeks in a row and then 1:120 couple of days? Nope. You're all widely considered as sheep. Remember that, that's why everyone and his mother wants to have a paysite.

TRAFFIC, it's all about that, who controls it. Sponsors are a dime a dozen. Scamming short-sighted fucks 90% of them.

Don't be loyal to a sponsor. It's pathetic to see how weeks in a row when u send good traffic u get shit conversions, but when u stop the traffic u get miracle sales and conversions. Again

all of you scamming bastards. Even most of the big ones.

I totally agree don't be loyal to any sponsor. I even switch them out on my exits daily.

Send to the ones making you the money and convert under 1/1500

venus · 10-22-2005, 10:04 AM

well yo should give us a try.
saturdays are 75% day and new affiliates get 75% for the first 30 days.
I dont ever shave because I dont offer more then am willing to pay.

venus
www.venuscash.com

Jensen · 10-22-2005, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

Not a good thread to make ... basicly you're calling out all sponsors ...
excuse me but ALL ccbill sponsors have totally shitty stats right now ... summer used to have big time slowdowns ...

a lot factors comes into play when it comes to sales...

you can generalize but he can't?

RogerV: "Send to the ones making you the money and convert under 1/1500" < don't! send to the ones making you the MOST money regardless of conversions...

RogerV · 10-22-2005, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jensen

you can generalize but he can't?

RogerV: "Send to the ones making you the money and convert under 1/1500" < don't! send to the ones making you the MOST money regardless of conversions...

We use Executive stats so we can't shave at all even if we wanted to.

But I agree with send who makes you the most and to those who don't skew there numbers show fist page hits and second. many just show hits from the join page etc.

Juilan · 10-22-2005, 12:29 PM

It happens. I had a couple dozen active paying members in a cam site program. Conversions we're like clock work and was making revshare off these members every day. Then for a 2 week period nothing- nada. Then magically everything started back up again and of course those previous members we're back and still paying daily.

Murderous · 10-22-2005, 12:30 PM

Yeah it sucks.

Webby · 10-22-2005, 12:34 PM

Mmmm.. Don't trust *anyone* with traffic or money - they always screw up.

Sure there are good sponsors out there, but it's clear there are a load of theives as well. Any stats have a pattern over a period and stats that defy gravity just don't wash.

Clue.. run your own paysites and any traffic ya do throw out to a sponsor is a bonus.

xxxice · 10-22-2005, 12:35 PM

What are the 10% good ones

FIX01 · 10-22-2005, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV

We use Executive stats so we can't shave at all even if we wanted to.

emthree · 10-22-2005, 12:46 PM

I had some extremely targeted traffic that use to convert 1:50 with when I FIRST started promoting this one program. Few weeks later, I'm now @ 1:1000 with the same exact traffic source. Not sure what the cause is, but I'm slowly changing out links.

AkiraSS · 10-22-2005, 12:55 PM

I am not here to name names,
we're not dependand on sponsors

My rant here is, to look deeper than what GFY has to offer.. sponsors in sig, advertisers, so called "big names" etc.

There are sponsors with 1000's of sites, shitload of reps that will convince you nothing is wrong on a "grand scale" and conversions they have are only improving.

Have you met a sponsor that will admit of having bad times? Heh :D

Cheerio

pornguy · 10-22-2005, 12:56 PM

Hey Venus, I signed up, but could use a bit of content to promote with. Where can I get it??

ICQ me please

Webby · 10-22-2005, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emthree

I had some extremely targeted traffic that use to convert 1:50 with when I FIRST started promoting this one program. Few weeks later, I'm now @ 1:1000 with the same exact traffic source. Not sure what the cause is, but I'm slowly changing out links.

Can't say for recently emthree, - we don't use sponsors we don't know - but that was a very familiar pattern with a few "big" sponsors years back. The tendency was.. great conversions on month one with them, then a decline to nada on month three.

Were they scamming? Of course - they even had a script to manage it!

xxxice · 10-22-2005, 01:11 PM

Why no names? Name some good ones

Webby · 10-22-2005, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vanderweb

Why no names? Name some good ones

OK.. I ain't into asslicking, and will only mention two that I think are OK with any confidence. One is Andrew Conru/Sagi/Lars from AdultFriendFinder, the other is Lar's operation on cams.

xxxice · 10-22-2005, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby

OK.. I ain't into asslicking, and will only mention two that I think are OK with any confidence. One is Andrew Conru/Sagi/Lars from AdultFriendFinder, the other is Lar's operation on cams.

Yes Sagi is one of the coolest people ever

SomeCreep · 10-22-2005, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emthree

I had some extremely targeted traffic that use to convert 1:50 with when I FIRST started promoting this one program. Few weeks later, I'm now @ 1:1000 with the same exact traffic source. Not sure what the cause is, but I'm slowly changing out links.

That's called overexposure. Sometimes all it takes is a few weeks.

bdld · 10-22-2005, 02:57 PM

i see "fishy" things from time to time, one sponsor in particular turns the shave off when i drop my traffic down low, every single time.

Sexy Rex · 10-22-2005, 03:39 PM

Why don't you guys signup yourself once in a while to see who's shaving and who's not?

xxxice · 10-22-2005, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sexy Rex

Why don't you guys signup yourself once in a while to see who's shaving and who's not?

Most programs would term you if you did that

Sexy Rex · 10-22-2005, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vanderweb

Most programs would term you if you did that

Sponsors have no way to know if you ask your friends to signup once in a while. Don't rip them of, keep the membership active long enough to pay for the signup payout and give your friend the money back.

I won't claim we're not shaving here because this is not about what you say, this is about what you do. And each of our affiliates is free to signup himself to any of our sites to test us out and we don't term anyone for that.

xxxice · 10-22-2005, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sexy Rex

Sponsors have no way to know if you ask your friends to signup once in a while. Don't rip them of, keep the membership active long enough to pay for the signup payout and give your friend the money back.

I won't claim we're not shaving here because this is not about what you say, this is about what you do. And each of our affiliates is free to signup himself to any of our sites to test us out and we don't term anyone for that.

Well you know I love your program and have been promoting your for years

Hope to be sending more signups soon

Linkster · 10-22-2005, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vanderweb

Most programs would term you if you did that

Actually Ive only run into one program that ever had a problem with it and Ive done it to dozens of sponsors - I also keep a running list of who not to ever send traffic to as they didnt report the sales - and I even tell everyone after I do it as most of them have in their T&C that you can do it - the ones I like are the ones that say - let us know ahead of time

And before anyone asks - no I will not say anything publicly about which programs didnt report the sales as the reps usually come on here every time someone says anything and piss and moan saying that they never would cheat a fly - so I just dont bother and keep it to myself - i figure if a person with so little biz sense as me can check it themselves - so can anyone else thats really interested in their own business

Pornwolf · 10-22-2005, 04:22 PM

Join page only stats suck ass.

adonthenet · 10-22-2005, 05:13 PM

I have some decent sponsers that are very nice to work with.. if your intresting
338847113

some extra private paysites as well!

elitetec · 10-27-2005, 06:52 AM

damn thought it was just me

bigdog · 10-27-2005, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sexy Rex

Why don't you guys signup yourself once in a while to see who's shaving and who's not?

Odds are any sponsor shaving would have sophisticated shaving systems. If i were going to shave webmasters i wouldn't shave any signups coming from the same state as the webmaster

John Marco · 10-29-2005, 01:24 PM

Don't go by daily results, but weekly, or even better, monthly results.

You might be 1:3000 one day with 3000 clicks then 1:200 another day with 1000 clicks. This would average out to be 1:666 with 4000 clicks. It takes volume to get real results. It might have just gotten lucky to get those 5 sales from 1000 clicks, and unlucky to only get one sale from 3000 clicks.

Of course this does not apply if you are sending 50k's of clicks per day. Then you can get an accurate impression sooner.

10-22-2005, 07:59 AM	#1
AkiraSS Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ICQ: 17630227 Posts: 2,988	Sick and tired of sponsors manipulating sales... - Shaving - Batching - Timing - Scrubbing... With enough traffic I've learned how every sponsor out there operates. Do you sheep (webmasters) think it's a coincidence to get 1:3000 3 weeks in a row and then 1:120 couple of days? Nope. You're all widely considered as sheep. Remember that, that's why everyone and his mother wants to have a paysite. TRAFFIC, it's all about that, who controls it. Sponsors are a dime a dozen. Scamming short-sighted fucks 90% of them. Don't be loyal to a sponsor. It's pathetic to see how weeks in a row when u send good traffic u get shit conversions, but when u stop the traffic u get miracle sales and conversions. Again all of you scamming bastards. Even most of the big ones.

10-22-2005, 08:25 AM	#2
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bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	if you got a lot of bookmark traffic, old sites are just not going to do as well as new ones. Also bad conversion can be due to tours, if the sponsors updates tours with new updates, different girls on a tour will affect conversions Last edited by bigdog; 10-22-2005 at 09:28 AM..

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venus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Phoenix, Az Posts: 3,112	well yo should give us a try. saturdays are 75% day and new affiliates get 75% for the first 30 days. I dont ever shave because I dont offer more then am willing to pay. venus www.venuscash.com __________________ Muscle/Fitness Adult Affiliate Program Since 1997 www.venuscash.com

10-22-2005, 12:29 PM	#15
Juilan Sultan of Swing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: XXXodus Posts: 15,141	It happens. I had a couple dozen active paying members in a cam site program. Conversions we're like clock work and was making revshare off these members every day. Then for a 2 week period nothing- nada. Then magically everything started back up again and of course those previous members we're back and still paying daily. __________________ My Best Converting VOD Sponsor \|

10-22-2005, 12:30 PM	#16
Murderous Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,938	Yeah it sucks.

10-22-2005, 12:34 PM	#17
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Mmmm.. Don't trust anyone with traffic or money - they always screw up. Sure there are good sponsors out there, but it's clear there are a load of theives as well. Any stats have a pattern over a period and stats that defy gravity just don't wash. Clue.. run your own paysites and any traffic ya do throw out to a sponsor is a bonus. __________________ XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat. Last edited by Webby; 10-22-2005 at 12:35 PM..

10-22-2005, 12:35 PM	#18
xxxice Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,042	What are the 10% good ones

10-22-2005, 12:46 PM	#20
emthree Dialer Kingpin Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New York Posts: 10,816	I had some extremely targeted traffic that use to convert 1:50 with when I FIRST started promoting this one program. Few weeks later, I'm now @ 1:1000 with the same exact traffic source. Not sure what the cause is, but I'm slowly changing out links. __________________ • Sell Patches & Pills •

10-22-2005, 12:55 PM	#21
AkiraSS Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ICQ: 17630227 Posts: 2,988	I am not here to name names, we're not dependand on sponsors My rant here is, to look deeper than what GFY has to offer.. sponsors in sig, advertisers, so called "big names" etc. There are sponsors with 1000's of sites, shitload of reps that will convince you nothing is wrong on a "grand scale" and conversions they have are only improving. Have you met a sponsor that will admit of having bad times? Heh :D Cheerio

10-22-2005, 12:56 PM	#22
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10-22-2005, 01:11 PM	#24
xxxice Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,042	Why no names? Name some good ones

10-22-2005, 02:57 PM	#28
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	i see "fishy" things from time to time, one sponsor in particular turns the shave off when i drop my traffic down low, every single time.

10-22-2005, 03:39 PM	#29
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10-22-2005, 05:13 PM	#35
adonthenet Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,753	I have some decent sponsers that are very nice to work with.. if your intresting 338847113 some extra private paysites as well!

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10-29-2005, 01:24 PM	#38
John Marco Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 912	Don't go by daily results, but weekly, or even better, monthly results. You might be 1:3000 one day with 3000 clicks then 1:200 another day with 1000 clicks. This would average out to be 1:666 with 4000 clicks. It takes volume to get real results. It might have just gotten lucky to get those 5 sales from 1000 clicks, and unlucky to only get one sale from 3000 clicks. Of course this does not apply if you are sending 50k's of clicks per day. Then you can get an accurate impression sooner. __________________ WEBCAMS.COM $42+ PPS or revshare ICQ: 476-111 Google Talk: Webcams.com