Those with outsourced employees in the Philippines - GoFuckYourself.com

MikeSmoke · 10-22-2005, 01:38 AM

My outsourced employee has requested his "13th month pay," which I know is the law in the Phillipines, but obviously not here.
What have any of you done regarding a request like this?

makefuckingmoney · 10-22-2005, 01:40 AM

they get more time off than any other race known to man!

MikeSmoke · 10-22-2005, 01:41 AM

i've noticed that lol

Shoehorn! · 10-22-2005, 01:55 AM

13th month pay? What the hell is that?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-22-2005, 01:59 AM

I thought Philipino's in the philipeans are not permitted to workin Pr0n...

MikeSmoke · 10-22-2005, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

I thought Philipino's in the philipeans are not permitted to workin Pr0n...

well, not everything I do is pron.....

Dagwolf · 10-22-2005, 02:09 AM

If he's worth keeping, keep him happy.

KingK7 · 10-22-2005, 02:20 AM

Next thing you know he wants maternity leave with full pay.
Which he also gets for the other 19 companies he is working full-time for.

flipGee · 10-22-2005, 03:09 AM

I agree @ dagwolf, if he deserve it why not.

cams2chat · 10-22-2005, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

My outsourced employee has requested his "13th month pay," which I know is the law in the Phillipines, but obviously not here.
What have any of you done regarding a request like this?

If you directly employ him and he is on the payroll and you pay SSS and Philhealth for him you would have a Filipino company and be liable. If you have him through an outsource company that should be built into whatever they charge you.

If you pay him direct there would be no obligation but if you want to keep him I would pay it as long as it was reasonable. Also, it is calculated as 1/12 of normal pay from December to end of November following year divided by 12 and that amount paid early December (no fixed Date) so October....yeah right. If he worked leass than a year it would come in way below a full months pay.

Leave a message on 343-483-502 and tell me what work he does and what sort of salary..... and yes they are very lazy and have more holidays than the rest of the world put together

$5 submissions · 10-22-2005, 05:10 PM

13th month pay is already factored in to our rates. We also pay the whole range of govt mandated benefits as well as some optional ones: SSS, Philhealth, PagIbig, etc.

As for days off, there's a lot of govt mandated regular and special holidays. We usually have our employees work those days rather than give them the day off (they'd prefer working). Our payouts to employees on those days are normally 30% to 100% extra over regular rates.

MikeSmoke · 10-22-2005, 06:25 PM

cams2chat...sent icq but didn't hear back.
gene...thanks for the info.

tony286 · 10-22-2005, 06:40 PM

its what a extra what $400 -500 dollars for that month and your bitching lol

Morgan · 10-22-2005, 06:44 PM

dude... im not surprised..

one of my guys is always late & tells me about some new holiday that they take off every week.

HollywoodChris · 10-22-2005, 06:50 PM

Whats the name of it?

reynold · 10-22-2005, 11:32 PM

If it's mandated by the country's constitution, then you should abide it.

lchaim · 10-22-2005, 11:42 PM

They're always on 'island time' I love that culture...seriously!

Vitasoy · 10-22-2005, 11:43 PM

If it's a law there, and they're working for you.. you abide by it.

I Fucked Her · 10-23-2005, 12:32 AM

I can work for you without a 13 salary :D. And for that guy depends on how you hired him. But if he does a great job I think you should pay him.

MikeSmoke · 10-23-2005, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

its what a extra what $400 -500 dollars for that month and your bitching lol

yeah, it's not a ton of money. but the issue is that i've put a lot of time and effort into training him to do something that isn't the "usual" kind of editing, so in one way he's very valuable to me - but the month-after-month drama over material being late because "i got flooded out" "i was in an accident" "i was in the hospital after being beaten up in a bar trying to get money from someone who owed me" "my (fill in the blank relative) died" "my HD died (for the third time this year)" "my ISP disconnected me for no reason and i have to do my work from an internet cafe/friend's house/etc for the next two weeks so you won't be able to reach me on ICQ" --- makes me feel like it was more than $400-500 dollars in aggrevation and lost work over the year...<sigh>
anyway, i told him that he's working for a US company, and we don't do 13th months, we do Xmas bonuses, and that's when he'll get his bonus. hopefully that'll take care of it.

Axzar · 10-23-2005, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cams2chat

If you directly employ him and he is on the payroll and you pay SSS and Philhealth for him you would have a Filipino company and be liable. If you have him through an outsource company that should be built into whatever they charge you.

If you pay him direct there would be no obligation but if you want to keep him I would pay it as long as it was reasonable. Also, it is calculated as 1/12 of normal pay from December to end of November following year divided by 12 and that amount paid early December (no fixed Date) so October....yeah right. If he worked leass than a year it would come in way below a full months pay.

Leave a message on 343-483-502 and tell me what work he does and what sort of salary..... and yes they are very lazy and have more holidays than the rest of the world put together

Cams knows what he is talking about.

I am surprised we don't have goverment mandated nap time.

v4 media · 10-23-2005, 02:31 AM

If you knew nothing about it, then it does take the piss, yep they are cheap to employ but you are paying them a decent wage in their country, have you not got some form of signed aggreement that lays out the conditions of employment?

detoxed · 10-23-2005, 02:35 AM

If they are making you enough money that you have a 13months pay sitting around why not? LOL

travs · 10-23-2005, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cams2chat

and yes they are very lazy and have more holidays than the rest of the world put together

hello there cams2chat.

nice seeing you around here in GFY

Fletch XXX · 10-23-2005, 08:11 AM

I outsourced the "Fletch" nick's posts years ago.

Trax · 10-23-2005, 02:58 PM

im with iwebm and have no yet heard anythign about that
as far as the work moral goes.. I've had that too
its funny how many relatives die and people become ill over the weekend lol

DaddyHalbucks · 10-23-2005, 03:14 PM

On the subject of the Philippines...

Stick fighting is the national sport of the Philippines.

And, we have the excellent domain name [stickingfighting.com] which is for sale. Hit me up if you are interested. It would be great for a martial arts website.

EMAIL:
[email protected]
Where X=DaddyHalbucks
And Y=CS

$5 submissions · 10-23-2005, 03:42 PM

Another thing to keep in mind, the current Filipino government loves to make "long weekends"--ie., a holiday falls on a thursday... so friday is declared a 'special holiday.' So this might piss off a lot of clients. Webmasterlabor.com absorb all these costs and don't pass them to the client and we only give people days off for key international holidays not local ones. Although we are then legally obligated to pay 100% or 30% more as a bonus for those days (% depends on whether its a formal holiday or special holiday), we don't pass these costs on to the client.

Also, people who work from home (webmasterlabor.com is based in a centralized office location--we don't do remote employees) can rightfully claim that their connection goes down because the infrastructure here (specially in the provinces or outlying areas of Manila) is very bad. Sometimes, all it takes is some hard rainfall and internet connection dies for hours. So, don't let these experiences give you the idea that ALL Filipinos are lazy. They're just like any other ethnic group in the world...with the same % distribution re work attitudes.

If anyone is concerned about productivity issues, definitely try my friend hahaha's company, iwebmasters.com (I'm assuming this is for adult projects) or other services that give you a CENTRALIZED management structure where the employee is at the work site. If anyone needs MAINSTREAM work on a monthly basis, we do it for a starting rate of $450 a month per person (160 hours and quota system).

cams2chat · 10-23-2005, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travs

hello there cams2chat.

nice seeing you around here in GFY

LOL....ask Travs about 13th month he would know more than me...

Th!nk · 10-23-2005, 09:06 PM

If he's worth it, why not!

Serge Litehead · 10-23-2005, 09:21 PM

You shouldn't pay for anything you didn't agree on before entering into the deal. If you knew this before hand then it must be paid.

Screaming · 10-23-2005, 09:28 PM

depends if he is a good employee then give it to him to keep him happy if not tell him the US doesnt do that

travs · 10-24-2005, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cams2chat

LOL....ask Travs about 13th month he would know more than me...

Wena knows more.

tristan_D · 10-25-2005, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagwolf

If he's worth keeping, keep him happy.

just give it to the guy. I'm sure he will pay you with a very good service. anyway it won't cost you that much.

tranza · 10-25-2005, 05:08 PM

If it's the law there why the fuck are you asking this for american webmasters???

Jesus, no ethics at all?

Pay up!

MikeSmoke · 10-25-2005, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

If it's the law there why the fuck are you asking this for american webmasters???

Um...because he is working for and is paid by an AMERICAN company. We're not there, we're here.

loverboy · 10-26-2005, 10:11 AM

i find it weird for a staff to ask for a 13 month pay or even bonuses
its just really unethical for an outsourced/self employed guy to make
such demand

i can only identify a number major outsourcing companies out there
but are you sure their workers are getting paid in full in term of benefits
(SSS, Philhealth, Pag-IBIG, OT, 13th mon. pay, etc)? Better ask your
outsourced staff about it. You need to make sure that the monthly
fee you send covers all the items that the PH law requires.

Doctor Dre · 10-26-2005, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

its what a extra what $400 -500 dollars for that month and your bitching lol

He just wanna makes sure he's not getting scammed

Doctor Dre · 10-26-2005, 10:15 AM

It's like the xmas bonuses here I guess

BigRod · 10-26-2005, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagwolf

If he's worth keeping, keep him happy.

Totally agree, if he is worth it keep him happy if not axe him!

Kimmykim · 10-26-2005, 10:17 AM

Interesting. I had a conversation in Curacao about 13th month with someone who handles a large staff. The way they take care of it is very simple -- if the employee is prompt, works hard, etc, AND hasnt taken all the sick days they are allowed by the government to have, then they are paid 13th month.

Otherwise, no dice.

And no, it's not hahaha, before anyone asks. I have no idea how he pays his people but the ones that work for him that I have dealt with directly seem very happy, as a side note.

Doctor Dre · 10-26-2005, 10:17 AM

Damn we are learning a lot about another culture in a business thread ... odd

EroticySteve · 10-26-2005, 10:18 AM

1 month pay in Phillipines is about US $7.96 go ahead and pay.

Trax · 10-26-2005, 10:18 AM

..........

IamShaider · 10-26-2005, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loverboy

i find it weird for a staff to ask for a 13 month pay or even bonuses
its just really unethical for an outsourced/self employed guy to make
such demand

i can only identify a number major outsourcing companies out there
but are you sure their workers are getting paid in full in term of benefits
(SSS, Philhealth, Pag-IBIG, OT, 13th mon. pay, etc)? Better ask your
outsourced staff about it. You need to make sure that the monthly
fee you send covers all the items that the PH law requires.

hmmmmmm

CuriousToyBoy · 10-26-2005, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

yeah, it's not a ton of money. but the issue is that i've put a lot of time and effort into training him to do something that isn't the "usual" kind of editing, so in one way he's very valuable to me - but the month-after-month drama over material being late because "i got flooded out" "i was in an accident" "i was in the hospital after being beaten up in a bar trying to get money from someone who owed me" "my (fill in the blank relative) died" "my HD died (for the third time this year)" "my ISP disconnected me for no reason and i have to do my work from an internet cafe/friend's house/etc for the next two weeks so you won't be able to reach me on ICQ" --- makes me feel like it was more than $400-500 dollars in aggrevation and lost work over the year...<sigh>
anyway, i told him that he's working for a US company, and we don't do 13th months, we do Xmas bonuses, and that's when he'll get his bonus. hopefully that'll take care of it.

After 5 months of living there I developed a saying.

Welcome to the Philippines, Have a Nice day !!!

You learn fast that NOTHING is surprising in that country, and I DO mean NOTHING.

It is actually one the appeals that keeps me going back.

lchaim · 10-26-2005, 10:47 AM

Dammit I want some lumpia and red horse now!

flipGee · 10-26-2005, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

My outsourced employee has requested his "13th month pay," which I know is the law in the Phillipines, but obviously not here.
What have any of you done regarding a request like this?

I guess the right term is BONUS rather than 13th month.

Dravyk · 10-26-2005, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

If it's the law there why the fuck are you asking this for american webmasters???

Jesus, no ethics at all?

Pay up!

No wonder people chase you off of boards, you're truely an idiot.

I'm with you Mike. It's where the company is headquartered that rules apply.

I know a bunch of US webmasters who work for companies in Europe and the same goes when the shoe is on the other foot.

teomaxxx · 10-26-2005, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trax

im with iwebm and have no yet heard anythign about that
as far as the work moral goes.. I've had that too
its funny how many relatives die and people become ill over the weekend lol

I have one filipino from iwebm working for me one month, but I heard such stories already too.
The biggest problem i have, i really dont know if he works as much as he can, because sometimes i see very low productivity on his end.

10-22-2005, 01:38 AM	#1
MikeSmoke Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: SoCal Posts: 3,233	Those with outsourced employees in the Philippines My outsourced employee has requested his "13th month pay," which I know is the law in the Phillipines, but obviously not here. What have any of you done regarding a request like this? __________________ icq: 541-739-92

10-22-2005, 01:41 AM	#3
MikeSmoke Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: SoCal Posts: 3,233	i've noticed that lol __________________ icq: 541-739-92

10-22-2005, 01:55 AM	#4
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10-22-2005, 01:40 AM	#2
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KingK7 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 6,372	Next thing you know he wants maternity leave with full pay. Which he also gets for the other 19 companies he is working full-time for.

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10-22-2005, 05:10 PM	#11
$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	13th month pay is already factored in to our rates. We also pay the whole range of govt mandated benefits as well as some optional ones: SSS, Philhealth, PagIbig, etc. As for days off, there's a lot of govt mandated regular and special holidays. We usually have our employees work those days rather than give them the day off (they'd prefer working). Our payouts to employees on those days are normally 30% to 100% extra over regular rates. __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants Last edited by $5 submissions; 10-22-2005 at 05:13 PM..

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10-22-2005, 06:40 PM	#13
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	its what a extra what $400 -500 dollars for that month and your bitching lol

10-22-2005, 06:44 PM	#14
Morgan Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Corona Del Mar, CA Posts: 10,520	dude... im not surprised.. one of my guys is always late & tells me about some new holiday that they take off every week. __________________ PornstarPlatinum.com \| TransErotica.com

10-22-2005, 06:50 PM	#15
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10-22-2005, 11:32 PM	#16
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10-22-2005, 11:42 PM	#17
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10-23-2005, 12:32 AM	#19
I Fucked Her Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 121	I can work for you without a 13 salary :D. And for that guy depends on how you hired him. But if he does a great job I think you should pay him.

10-23-2005, 02:31 AM	#22
v4 media Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Spain Posts: 2,934	If you knew nothing about it, then it does take the piss, yep they are cheap to employ but you are paying them a decent wage in their country, have you not got some form of signed aggreement that lays out the conditions of employment?

10-23-2005, 02:35 AM	#23
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	If they are making you enough money that you have a 13months pay sitting around why not? LOL

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10-23-2005, 02:58 PM	#26
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	im with iwebm and have no yet heard anythign about that as far as the work moral goes.. I've had that too its funny how many relatives die and people become ill over the weekend lol

10-23-2005, 03:14 PM	#27
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10-23-2005, 03:42 PM	#28
$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	Another thing to keep in mind, the current Filipino government loves to make "long weekends"--ie., a holiday falls on a thursday... so friday is declared a 'special holiday.' So this might piss off a lot of clients. Webmasterlabor.com absorb all these costs and don't pass them to the client and we only give people days off for key international holidays not local ones. Although we are then legally obligated to pay 100% or 30% more as a bonus for those days (% depends on whether its a formal holiday or special holiday), we don't pass these costs on to the client. Also, people who work from home (webmasterlabor.com is based in a centralized office location--we don't do remote employees) can rightfully claim that their connection goes down because the infrastructure here (specially in the provinces or outlying areas of Manila) is very bad. Sometimes, all it takes is some hard rainfall and internet connection dies for hours. So, don't let these experiences give you the idea that ALL Filipinos are lazy. They're just like any other ethnic group in the world...with the same % distribution re work attitudes. If anyone is concerned about productivity issues, definitely try my friend hahaha's company, iwebmasters.com (I'm assuming this is for adult projects) or other services that give you a CENTRALIZED management structure where the employee is at the work site. If anyone needs MAINSTREAM work on a monthly basis, we do it for a starting rate of $450 a month per person (160 hours and quota system). __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

10-23-2005, 09:06 PM	#30
Th!nk Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6,996	If he's worth it, why not!

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10-23-2005, 09:28 PM	#32
Screaming I can change this!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 18,972	depends if he is a good employee then give it to him to keep him happy if not tell him the US doesnt do that __________________

10-25-2005, 05:08 PM	#35
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10-26-2005, 10:11 AM	#37
loverboy When it rains, it pours Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 20,609	i find it weird for a staff to ask for a 13 month pay or even bonuses its just really unethical for an outsourced/self employed guy to make such demand i can only identify a number major outsourcing companies out there but are you sure their workers are getting paid in full in term of benefits (SSS, Philhealth, Pag-IBIG, OT, 13th mon. pay, etc)? Better ask your outsourced staff about it. You need to make sure that the monthly fee you send covers all the items that the PH law requires.

10-26-2005, 10:17 AM	#41
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Interesting. I had a conversation in Curacao about 13th month with someone who handles a large staff. The way they take care of it is very simple -- if the employee is prompt, works hard, etc, AND hasnt taken all the sick days they are allowed by the government to have, then they are paid 13th month. Otherwise, no dice. And no, it's not hahaha, before anyone asks. I have no idea how he pays his people but the ones that work for him that I have dealt with directly seem very happy, as a side note. Last edited by Kimmykim; 10-26-2005 at 10:18 AM..

10-26-2005, 10:18 AM	#43
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10-26-2005, 10:47 AM	#47
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