when you send traffic to a site... do you know what to look for?

[RogerV]

Do you actually take the time to check out a site to see if it will convert great. how it's all layed out from the home page to the join page. or do you just send traffic if it looks pretty?

do you know what to look for? when looking for a good converting site?

what are some of the things that you look for?

this might be to deep for some to understand

[seeric]

i send traffic to purple themed sites only. they seem to do the best.



i will take a look 90% of the time, if it is a reccomendation or a program that i know has a hot site, i will normally test it out and see how it flies.

[Just_Dave]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

i send traffic to purple themed sites only. they seem to do the best.

i just send traffic to rage cash using smutlounge

[RogerV]

maybe I should have started the thread with a would you hit it..

here is my Ex girlfriend from 2000 Penthouse Pet Juliet Cariaga would you hit it?

[seeric]

Originally Posted by RogerV

maybe I should have started the thread with a would you hit it..

here is my Ex girlfriend from 2000 Penthouse Pet Juliet Cariaga would you hit it?

yeah, i agree. a would you hit it def gets more views than a biz thread on this board. i personally prefer biz threads.

hopefylly the g's and people who know will come in and post.

[Hammer]

I look for screen caps that someone posts to show their conversions on GFY.




Oh wait, you mean those aren't real?

[RogerV]

would you send traffic to a site that doesn't have there join form split up with a T-post?
so its not overwhelming? HMMM something to think about just a few tells

what if the site doesn't load in less then 10 seconds?

do you look at these things? you should if you want to make money.. many other things that make a great converting site.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

yeah, i agree. a would you hit it def gets more views than a biz thread on this board. i personally prefer biz threads.

hopefylly the g's and people who know will come in and post.

I like to mix it up a bit. maybe help a few peeps make a buck

Most of the people in the industry really don't have a clue on how to make money in the biz

[bdld]

i check everything real good, including the join process and the members area. i look at join prices, cross sells, everything.

[Mako]

All they care about is when their (insert laptop/xbox360/ipod/PSP/plasma tv here) ships Roger.

Even if it cost them 3x the actual cost of the items they were given in their own losses versus a sponsor that would have converted better.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by bdld

i check everything real good, including the join process and the members area. i look at join prices, cross sells, everything.

Finally someone with some sense I bet most webmasters don't really even look at the site they just look at the free content for it LOL.

like thats whats going to make them money.

[Mako]

Most affiliates won't even take the time to get a member's area password, or better yet, simply signup for a $1.95 1-Day Trial to see how the surfer gets yanked around.

But hey they promised to get me a PSP!!!!!1!

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by Mako

All they care about is when their (insert laptop/xbox360/ipod/PSP/plasma tv here) ships Roger.

Those are all great promos. I can't knock programs for there marketing tactics
I do it myself sometimes.

People think programs shave or processors scrub harder etc. there are allot more variables to converting a site then just the exclusive content.

Don?t get me wrong there are many programs that shave but most just don't know what the fuck they are doing

I?m not going to give out our amazing secrets on how we convert great but I was just wondering if people even check everything out before they send traffic?

[RogerV]

would you send traffic to a program without contacting them first?

thru email, ICQ or phone? I think you should get to know the people you do biz with. just a good idea I think

[Mako]

They're great promos for sure, but marketing designed to mask a program's weaknesses and play on the short-term thinking of the average webmaster is all too prevalent right now.

My advice: If you're a revshare guy, sign up for the site and pretend you're Joe Surfer. Pay attention. Look at the content and ask youself if it's worth the price, try to evaluate retention, watch the update frequency, etc.

If you're a PPS guy, you need to be more attentive to the tours, the join page as Roger mentions (Paycom flexpost join page = the best in the industry since it offers the fewest info fields for the surfer to input), and the affiliate software backend being used to generate your stats. Do your research. Don't just follow the golden iPod nano trail like a lemming, lol.

[sandman!]

i look for sites that convert nothing else matters

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by Mako

They're great promos for sure, but marketing designed to mask a program's weaknesses and play on the short-term thinking of the average webmaster is all too prevalent right now.

My advice: If you're a revshare guy, sign up for the site and pretend you're Joe Surfer. Pay attention. Look at the content and ask youself if it's worth the price, try to evaluate retention, watch the update frequency, etc.

If you're a PPS guy, you need to be more attentive to the tours, the join page as Roger mentions (Paycom flexpost join page = the best in the industry since it offers the fewest info fields for the surfer to input), and the affiliate software backend being used to generate your stats. Do your research. Don't just follow the golden iPod nano trail like a lemming, lol.

Couldn't have said it better myself

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by sandman!

i look for sites that convert nothing else matters

do you know what makes a site convert? unless you go thru alot of trial and error which you might till you figure out what works and what to look for.
took me 9 years of it LOL

many things to look for just a few mentioned above

[sandman!]

Originally Posted by RogerV

do you know what makes a site convert? unless you go thru alot of trial and error

many things to look for just a few mentioned above

thats why i rather sell prepaid spots and let other people worry about converting

i dont send enought to paysites to really care about conversions

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by sandman!

thats why i rather sell prepaid spots and let other people worry about converting

i dont send enought to paysites to really care about conversions

LOL I'm going to buy a few from you soon. later this week

[sandman!]

Originally Posted by RogerV

LOL I'm going to buy a few from you soon. later this week

hit me up soon im allmost sold out

[RogerV]

this thread goes over 95% of everyones head

there all saying "you mean if it looks pretty it doesn't matter" LOL

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by sandman!

hit me up soon im allmost sold out

lets do it tomorrow then first thing I might pick up whatevers left

[EroticySteve]

Great point Roger V.

I think most people don't think about it. Heresay and reputation go a long way in the traffic and affiliate business. Most of what people seem to jump on is a flashy ad, or a board sponsorship without any due diligence to see how the program will really care for them.

Not to say that board sponsorship, flashy ads or promos are bad. They're not, but most people look no further than a promo or a popular repuation when deciding where to send their traffic. Popularity is a powerful marketing tool. In fact reputation can make or break you, however the truth is sometimes a bit deeper than a reputation.

I've suprised to find out that certain programs that don't get as much page time convert my traffic well and are just great people to work wtih.

Some programs are good for most, some programs are better for some than others.

Luckily there are enough good affiliates and sponsors out there to make a lot of people a lot of money.

[Babagirls]

i look at a site from a surfers point of view, then for spelling errors on tours (which is a common mistake & fucks with the flow of the tour), then look at the tour..is it giving out too little? too much? whats the free preview video like? what does the signup page look like?

im very picky who i send my traffic to.

[aaron]

i thought this is a given? the first thing i do when going to a sponsors site is look at all their sites. i dont care about any other bullshit they have written there, first and most important is to look at the product they are trying to get people to sell for them and how it is presented.

[BlackCrayon]

i look for speed, looks, clear pictures, descriptions of what to expect inside, exit consoles, traffic leaks, processor, crossells. and if it turns me on or makes me think it will turn others on.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by aaron

i thought this is a given? the first thing i do when going to a sponsors site is look at all their sites. i dont care about any other bullshit they have written there, first and most important is to look at the product they are trying to get people to sell for them and how it is presented.

something I noticed with 2 of our sites pinktacobandits and silkymilkys they weren't converting well

then we censored the nipples and pussy the conversions jumped 50%
I continue to tweak till it converts amazing its never ending..

Lesss is better I think because of the curiosity factor and impluse buy.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by Babagirls

i look at a site from a surfers point of view, then for spelling errors on tours (which is a common mistake & fucks with the flow of the tour), then look at the tour..is it giving out too little? too much? whats the free preview video like? what does the signup page look like?

im very picky who i send my traffic to.

you should be your traffic is worth Gold..

the new gen look at what they think is hot or the design is amazing etc. thats just a small portion of it. I can show you sites that will convert 10X better and look like my 2 year old designed it.

most people wonder whats behind or inside show to much and the curiosity is gone.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i look for speed, looks, clear pictures, descriptions of what to expect inside, exit consoles, traffic leaks, processor, crossells. and if it turns me on or makes me think it will turn others on.

exactly how many pages are in a tour you lose about 20% of your traffic everytime the surfer needs to load a new page tour. which is why I only have one page to sell them. you have a small window of opportunity and the goal is to get them to the join page as fast as you can.

most likely they have already been thru a few free sites and paysites till they got to you.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by EroticySteve

Great point Roger V.

I think most people don't think about it. Heresay and reputation go a long way in the traffic and affiliate business. Most of what people seem to jump on is a flashy ad, or a board sponsorship without any due diligence to see how the program will really care for them.

Not to say that board sponsorship, flashy ads or promos are bad. They're not, but most people look no further than a promo or a popular repuation when deciding where to send their traffic. Popularity is a powerful marketing tool. In fact reputation can make or break you, however the truth is sometimes a bit deeper than a reputation.

I've suprised to find out that certain programs that don't get as much page time convert my traffic well and are just great people to work wtih.

Some programs are good for most, some programs are better for some than others.

Luckily there are enough good affiliates and sponsors out there to make a lot of people a lot of money.

Great post!

If a program knows what its doing it should convert well for everyone..

[TheDoc]

Unless the site is total crap, just looking over the site layout, design, and join pages isn't going to tell you shit about how it will convert. Dead ends, traffic leaks, and crap join pages can kill conversions of course.

Site owners wanting to tweak things should look at..
- How fast the tour loads, even though faster isn't always better.
- A single page tour may convert better than a 3 page tour.
- Different tour styles, some styles work great with some webmasters.
- Quality of presentation, videos, graphic quality, and text.
- 15-second trailers may convert better than 30 second, then again 1 minute HD may do even better, all depends on what you are trying to sell.
- Color/layout to go with your theme. If your hardcore don't have a softcore design..
- Exits/Popups.. Bad code and bad timing can cause conversion issues. Sometimes popunders popup over the tour.

Then join pages.. Tweaking your join page style can really change ratios. No possible way for a webmaster to eyeball this. Join pages can make ratios jump to 1:1000 or 1:200. One style may not work for every site. Try changing your join pages, full style change, different forms, less/more, buttons, remove the price, etc.. Watch the numbers bounce around.

And finally, mistakes.. The amount of programs with bad exit codes, screw ups in galleries, tours, bad spelling, dead links & bad links in the members area can really play on the overall numbers.


So what do I look for? Well I make sure first that the site color/theme goes well with the content being presented. I make sure the tour sells me. Either it has great quality stuff or the design covers everything the site has, number of videos, pictures, type, how often they update.. Then I look at the join page, simple first, I make sure it works and I check to see how it handles errors. I have joined at least one paysite from every program I have ever pushed.

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by RogerV

Do you actually take the time to check out a site to see if it will convert great. how it's all layed out from the home page to the join page. or do you just send traffic if it looks pretty?

do you know what to look for? when looking for a good converting site?

what are some of the things that you look for?

this might be to deep for some to understand

I look for the typical 3-5 page old fashioned tours. If its a reality style tour, chances are I won't send (I still might try but slim chance). I also look for no consoles, if I can host it that's a bonus and a price of $2.95 or less.
WG

[J$tyle$]

Originally Posted by RogerV

maybe I should have started the thread with a would you hit it..

here is my Ex girlfriend from 2000 Penthouse Pet Juliet Cariaga would you hit it?

Nice LINKHOTTEN Rog

Great topic too, btw!

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by J$tyle$

Nice LINKHOTTEN Rog

Great topic too, btw!

Brought back some great memories nice find

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Unless the site is total crap, just looking over the site layout, design, and join pages isn't going to tell you shit about how it will convert. Dead ends, traffic leaks, and crap join pages can kill conversions of course.

Site owners wanting to tweak things should look at..
- How fast the tour loads, even though faster isn't always better.
- A single page tour may convert better than a 3 page tour.
- Different tour styles, some styles work great with some webmasters.
- Quality of presentation, videos, graphic quality, and text.
- 15-second trailers may convert better than 30 second, then again 1 minute HD may do even better, all depends on what you are trying to sell.
- Color/layout to go with your theme. If your hardcore don't have a softcore design..
- Exits/Popups.. Bad code and bad timing can cause conversion issues. Sometimes popunders popup over the tour.

Then join pages.. Tweaking your join page style can really change ratios. No possible way for a webmaster to eyeball this. Join pages can make ratios jump to 1:1000 or 1:200. One style may not work for every site. Try changing your join pages, full style change, different forms, less/more, buttons, remove the price, etc.. Watch the numbers bounce around.

And finally, mistakes.. The amount of programs with bad exit codes, screw ups in galleries, tours, bad spelling, dead links & bad links in the members area can really play on the overall numbers.


So what do I look for? Well I make sure first that the site color/theme goes well with the content being presented. I make sure the tour sells me. Either it has great quality stuff or the design covers everything the site has, number of videos, pictures, type, how often they update.. Then I look at the join page, simple first, I make sure it works and I check to see how it handles errors. I have joined at least one paysite from every program I have ever pushed.

you nailed it on the head. great check list Its a never ending battle. separates the boys from the men

[Marie]

Great thread. Charles your post amazes me: most companies set up their sites in a reality style at the moment. Is that the exact reason why you choose for "classic" designs - and do they actually convert better for you?

[bu((aneer]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I look for the typical 3-5 page old fashioned tours. If its a reality style tour, chances are I won't send (I still might try but slim chance). I also look for no consoles, if I can host it that's a bonus and a price of $2.95 or less.
WG

why dont you like reality style tours?

[BVF]

I have this shit down to a science now and I have broken down the key to converting in four simple words.

"Think Like A Surfer"

All of that other shit is fine but it all boils down to what would get the SURFER to sign up. As soon as you start looking at crosssells and traffic leaks and all of that shit, then you're thinking like a webmaster....

Yeah a site may have a traffic leak, but that leak depends on WHERE it's placed on the page. The surfer may or may not even pay attention to it. It may have a crosssell, but what you should be worried about is if the surfer signs up at all....

I started off as a surfer who had to sneak to look at it at work because I didn't have a computer at home so I KNOW what is necessary to give a good presentation. Once I stop thinking like a surfer, I'm dead. As long as I do, I'll always be eating in this business.

[BVF]

A good example of how "thinking like a surfer" serves as an umbrella for most of the other ideas in this thread is when Roger was talking about only having one tour page because of some 20% loss per page and stuff like that....

My tour page is also one page but I didn't come to that conclusion based on some mathematical formula of how many surfers I would lose per page...I thought like a SURFER and I know that a surfer wants that shit in their face as soon as possible. So when you come to my domain, BAM! It's right there in your face.

So the same conclusions are eventually reached by thinking like a surfer (joinpages, price, etc) but they are reached from a completely different point of view, which is a surfer and NOT a "Webmaster who is sending potential hard earned traffic and hoping for the best ratios and per click revenue"

When you have to sell ugly bitches like I do, in the midst of corporate sites everywhere with beautiful women, you become a PROFESSIONAL in surfer psychology.

[BV]

Originally Posted by BVF

I have this shit down to a science now and I have broken down the key to converting in four simple words.

"Think Like A Surfer"

All of that other shit is fine but it all boils down to what would get the SURFER to sign up. As soon as you start looking at crosssells and traffic leaks and all of that shit, then you're thinking like a webmaster....

Yeah a site may have a traffic leak, but that leak depends on WHERE it's placed on the page. The surfer may or may not even pay attention to it. It may have a crosssell, but what you should be worried about is if the surfer signs up at all....

I started off as a surfer who had to sneak to look at it at work because I didn't have a computer at home so I KNOW what is necessary to give a good presentation. Once I stop thinking like a surfer, I'm dead. As long as I do, I'll always be eating in this business.

For the most part I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. You have way too much shit to click on besides a "Join" link. If I had the time to prove my point I'd make another tour for you just to show you.

[bu((aneer]

Originally Posted by BV

For the most part I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. You have way too much shit to click on besides a "Join" link. If I had the time to prove my point I'd make another tour for you just to show you.

If I'm not mistaken affiliate traffic gets a clean version of the site.

[BVF]

Originally Posted by BV

For the most part I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. You have way too much shit to click on besides a "Join" link. If I had the time to prove my point I'd make another tour for you just to show you.

like this? http://www.blackvaginafinder.com/main.htm .

Do you really think I'm letting affiliates send traffic to that main page with all the leaks?

And believe me, there's a science behind the main page also. I don't do ANYTHING haphazardly despite how something may look on the outside.

[Dalai lama]

I look at the loading speed, join form. I ask for member area passes or purchase a trial myself to see how it goes. I ussualy contact them first and then start to send some traffic.

[Rinaldo]

I always send an email through the programs support link, if they don't reply within 24 hours they aren't getting traffic from us.
I've had one affiliate program tell me they don't need new affiliates, obviously they aren't receiving any.

I think it's incredibly important to know who you are sending traffic to, not just how teh site looks. If a site looks great on the tour I ask to see the members area, i want to know it's going to retain, becasue if it isn't the program will go out of business.

I think that the most important part of my job when dealing with affiliates is to make them feel comfortable sending. I want them to know I have an idea of what does well and I can optimize their traffic even if that means sending them to another affiliate program.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by Rinaldo

I always send an email through the programs support link, if they don't reply within 24 hours they aren't getting traffic from us.
I've had one affiliate program tell me they don't need new affiliates, obviously they aren't receiving any.

I think it's incredibly important to know who you are sending traffic to, not just how teh site looks. If a site looks great on the tour I ask to see the members area, i want to know it's going to retain, becasue if it isn't the program will go out of business.

I think that the most important part of my job when dealing with affiliates is to make them feel comfortable sending. I want them to know I have an idea of what does well and I can optimize their traffic even if that means sending them to another affiliate program.

totally no one can bitch if they never get paid or shit don't convert and make them money if they don't have contact with the sponsor

I see it happen all the time. there is a reason why some of us are still around and 1000's of programs are not

[StatsJunky]

Originally Posted by bu((aneer

why dont you like reality style tours?

I would guess because he has mainly SE traffic and it seems to perform better on the older style tours.

First thing I look at is the page the surfer lands on. If it grabs my attention then I move on to the trailers or preview pages. If they still have my attention and the join pages and everything else is working properly... Then they will get some traffic.

It's still hit and miss and I try out new sites all the time. Basically if the spot I have a site pulls $60/day I will keep trying until I get $70/day and so on. Right up until I feel I have pulled the maximum potential out of that spot.

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by Maria M.

Great thread. Charles your post amazes me: most companies set up their sites in a reality style at the moment. Is that the exact reason why you choose for "classic" designs - and do they actually convert better for you?

Yup, every company out there is going after the reality style layout that the traditional tours do much better for me at this point. It's like offering an alternative when the market is saturated with reality.
WG

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by bu((aneer

why dont you like reality style tours?

See above reply...
WG

[poppet]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

i send traffic to purple themed sites only. they seem to do the best.



i will take a look 90% of the time, if it is a reccomendation or a program that i know has a hot site, i will normally test it out and see how it flies.

Shit, maybe I should do something with www.purplefuck.com !