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quiet · 02-15-2002, 09:52 PM

now that's entertainment.

burn · 02-15-2002, 09:52 PM

This is funny shit

AaronM · 02-15-2002, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Forest

If thats a dildo no thanx

We KNOW its not you

your teenie weenie

Hey man....It gets me, your wife, and your mother off. It must not be that bad.

Forest · 02-15-2002, 09:55 PM

Well My mother Probably

My wife I dont have one Never have

and I guess I hit a nerve in there somewhere if your throwing family into the mix

Or is it just my Spelling and Punctuation that has you all Hottt and Bothered

AaronM · 02-15-2002, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Forest
Well My mother Probably

My wife I dont have one Never have

and I guess I hit a nerve in there somewhere if your throwing family into the mix

Or is it just my Spelling and Punctuation that has you all Hottt and Bothered

Actually, it is your new, sexy, tight ass that has me all hot and bothered.

Forest · 02-15-2002, 10:01 PM

Well I already told you

No Small PeePee's

Go play in PeeWee's Play house

shooo
shooo

boneprone · 02-15-2002, 10:02 PM

Is it true that while shooting a model, its good to whip out your dick while you are filming and jerk off telling her she's soo hot you just cant resist?

Its gotta make for some good film content her reaction.

When Randy West does it in his porn movies, the chciks always end up craving it.

Is that real?

Forest · 02-15-2002, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
Is it true that while shooting a model, its good to whip out your dick while you are filming and jerk off telling her she's soo hot you just cant resist?

Its gotta make for some good film content her reaction.

When Randy West does it in his porn movies, the chciks always end up craving it.

Is that real?

I tried that on my First model shoot

The only pics i got was her ASS heading out the door

SNOW · 02-15-2002, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
Is it true that while shooting a model, its good to whip out your dick while you are filming and jerk off telling her she's soo hot you just cant resist?

Its gotta make for some good film content her reaction.

When Randy West does it in his porn movies, the chciks always end up craving it.

Is that real?

Depends if she likes you....Hot models never work that way...LOL

boneprone · 02-15-2002, 10:09 PM

Did I tell you guys about the popcorn bucket trick in the movies and how I met my wife?

Forest · 02-15-2002, 10:10 PM

Bone

U use the Big bucket right???

Extra Butter makes it more lubricated

UnseenWorld · 02-15-2002, 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by kush
As many of you know, I'm starting a photoshooting company (hopefully shoots start next weekend)... and the majority of the girls are right here at the university I go to, aging typically from 18 - 21.

What I'm wondering is what sorts of prices do we offer these girls for shoots? You figure a typical shoot last ~ 2 hours (if even) and we have drinks and a comfortable setting set up for them.

Consider also that these are your HOT, poor college chicks as well.

So what do you content providers typically pay girls for single, nude shoots?

How about lesbians, with toys, hardcore?

Thanks,
Kush

a) I pay $50 an hour, whether I'm working here or even in Vegas where the girls often get paid $100 an hour or more. If they bitch, I tell them they can stay home and watch a movie instead, it they like, and when the movie is over, they can say to ghemselves, "This fucking movie just cost me $150!" It's the guy who pays the $100 an hour who is getting screwed.

b) I pay them $50 an hour (stills) no matter what they do. Video is different: I pay $100 per hour, but since a video session is typically 1/2 hour, they get $50. It's the same whether I viddy them brushing their teeth or licking another girl's pussy. How come I pay so little? Because they will work for that. The law of supply in demand. If I can get what I need for $50 an hour, I'd be an idiot to pay $75 or $100, wouldn't I? To most of these girls, money is money, and if they got somebody to pay them $100/hr, $50/hr still sounds better than nothing. I have girls coming back for shoot after shoot even though they regularly get paid half again or even twice as much elsewhere. Of course, part of it is that I take pretty pictures. If your photos look like shit, you might not be so lucky.

c) You are aware, I hope, that a release could conceivably be invalidated if you gave the model drugs or alcohol? Her attorney could argue that she was induced to sign only after you adversely affected her judgment through intoxicants. Also, if she isn't old enough to drink, you are taking another chance. Don't. If you and a model are ever in a dispute in front of a judge, which one of you is going to be the more sympathetic character: the pornographer or the poor little girl he duped through alcohol into signing away her nudie pics?

d) Girl-girl has become very easy to get. I think the guys today have totally forgotten the art of treating females well, so the girls are getting sex from each other. "Guys are too much trouble," as one of them said. Almost every girl I work with will have sex with almost any other girl I pair her up with, no questions asked at my standard rates...the same rates I pay for solo girl stuff. Why? Because they like sex, and as one of the girls said while having her pussy licked by another sexy girl, "I can't believe I'm being paid to do this. I don't know why everybody doesn't do it!"

e) I think the mistake many young, beginning photographers make in this market is to treat the session as something other than business. Don't get me wrong: This field is tons of fun, and I joke around with the models quite a bit...and often the conversation is sexual in nature. However, someone without a keen sense of what's appropriate (under the circumstances, which are anything but normal) can cause himself a lot of trouble. And it goes without saying that it's hands-off the girls. As my attorney told me (and, of course, this is a paraphrase...I didn't have a recorder taped under the table), "If you and a girl seem on the same wavelength and you'd like to pursue a social relationship with her, first of all make sure she has her clothes back on and has been paid. Then, invite her out for a cup of coffee. If that goes well, take her to a movie or a concert. Once you do that, it would be very difficult for her to file a successful sexual harassment complaint. You need to remember that your studio or shooting location is a workplace under the law, and while it's an unusual workplace with some rather obvious differences and arguably some exceptions to the normal standards, it is a workplace nevertheless." One of the curious facts of this business is that, quite often, even if I don't offer the girls a hug as they leave the shoot, they will frequently come up and hug me. It might be my age (about the same as their father's), or it might be my baby face. It might also be that these girls often have not had a father figure. What I'm saying is that, contrary to what you believe, your youth will probably work against you. They are much more likely to trust me at my age than you at yours, and some of the girls have even put it to me in so many words. And I've done a LOT of girls. Just some of them are here: http://www.unseenworld.com/matrix.html

BrettJ · 02-15-2002, 10:41 PM

Kush - you nentioned paying... we pay .75 cents per image (regardless of whether we use it or not)

(we pay less if they do softcore and more if they do hardcore/lesbian)

about the drugs or alccohol.... your contract ... should state that the women are of sound mind and body (or at least that type of shit)...

if they are fucked up during the shoot... they can use that to claim the content was illegally shot and put you a financial and legal pickle. and now that you've talked to aaron on the phone... you are probably takin' to heart his suggestion not to shoot a baked bitch... not many guys want to buy membership to a site with stoned girls...

~ Brett

UnseenWorld · 02-15-2002, 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM

Well, I was posting it to be helpful. I do not mind competition at all. Look around and you will see that I even refer people to Devine Content, Coconut Content, and Unseenword, all of which are direct competitors in my market.

I do not give a flying fuck what your intentions are and your attitude towards me is totally uncalled for. If you want to pick a fight, you came to the right person. If you want help, hit me up on ICQ. I am not going to go out of my way top contact somebody who tells me to fuck off. Make the choice, either way will not effect me.

We photographers are competitors, but you'd be surprised how much we cooperate as well. We help each other find models, refer business we don't want or can't fulfill as well as the other guy, and so on.

UnseenWorld · 02-16-2002, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

Why even bother to be in this business if you cann't get the models fucked up. I mean anyone can pay people to do stuff, and contracts have to be signed when people are clean, but after that why keep the bitchs sober?

Because the best photos are not of drunk or drugged girls. You want a girl who looks hot and alert and ready, not one who can hardly keep her eyes open, or whose pupils are dilated and looks like her head is about to explode.

But, of course, I suppose there's a market out there for the sort of jerkoff whose approach to seduction is to carry around a bottle of roofies.

Fletch XXX · 02-16-2002, 04:23 PM

This business was founded on one principle, get a chick to do whatever YOU want her to do for the cheapest amount of money and resell it and exploit her.

"Get it as cheap as you can and charge as much as you can for others to view it." - Fletch's Motto

cameraman · 02-16-2002, 07:16 PM

I agree with UnseenWorld, the price some people are paying models is absolutely rediculous.

I am in LA and you can hire Penthouse Pets and just about any porn star through some of the agencies. Usually we don't pay or hire by the hour but for a half day or full day. Half day is $150 and full day is $300. Sometimes we have to pay $500 for a full day for a busier model. This is for single girl or girl-girl, but not usually for any boy-girl.

How long is a half day and full day? For me it is 6 hours and 12 hours. A standard day in film induistry is 12 hours, after that it's considered overtime.
But sometimes half day is done in 3 hours, and full day in 8.

I always laugh when one company I know pays $300 per hour for the same model I pay $300 per day.

UnseenWorld · 02-16-2002, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
This business was founded on one principle, get a chick to do whatever YOU want her to do for the cheapest amount of money and resell it and exploit her.

"Get it as cheap as you can and charge as much as you can for others to view it." - Fletch's Motto

I don't like the word "exploit," because it can have two meanings: 1) as a neutral synonym for "use" and 2) and pejoratively as "to use to the detriment of...." In the capitalist system, everybody exploits everyone. The model exploits the photographer's need for talent, the photographer exploits the model's "talent," the photographer exploits his customer's need for photography, and that person exploits someone else's desire to view it. These are all neutral uses of the term. The bad kind of exploitation is something like slavery, where the exploited party has no options and is just used and discarded. Generally speaking, models freely choose to pose, frequently because they'd rather do that than hold down a "real job" as a waitress or because it brings in more money in less time, giving them more free time for studying, taking care of their baby, or whatever. In other words, while the feminist stands on the outside declaring it exploitation, the so-called "exploited women" actually view it as an opportunity.

SNOW · 02-16-2002, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cameraman
I agree with UnseenWorld, the price some people are paying models is absolutely rediculous.

I am in LA and you can hire Penthouse Pets and just about any porn star through some of the agencies. Usually we don't pay or hire by the hour but for a half day or full day. Half day is $150 and full day is $300. Sometimes we have to pay $500 for a full day for a busier model. This is for single girl or girl-girl, but not usually for any boy-girl.

How long is a half day and full day? For me it is 6 hours and 12 hours. A standard day in film induistry is 12 hours, after that it's considered overtime.
But sometimes half day is done in 3 hours, and full day in 8.

I always laugh when one company I know pays $300 per hour for the same model I pay $300 per day.

THANKS FOR THE GREAT ADVICE...

SNOW · 02-16-2002, 10:41 PM

CAMERAMAN ICQ ME.......Or email.. I'm in La as well.....

54866383
steve@mafiabucks

I have a shitload of models lined up..Maybe we can trade..

Steve

AaronM · 02-16-2002, 10:57 PM

AMEN to Unseen

Cameraman, your approach on paying is right on, for your area. The same is done in Las Vegas but hourly pay is still a very common option. I will add that the prices you quote for the daily rate is not even close to LA prices. Either you are full of shit or you have hit a goldmine. If you are full of shit, grab a shovel, if not then I would love to see some of the models being photographed for that price. If they are what I need, I would be interested in doing some model trades with you.

Danny_C · 02-16-2002, 11:42 PM

You know, besides the "sound mind" factor, I noticed an even bigger flaw... you said your models were 18-21. What state are you in? More than likely, legal drinking age is 21. So not only would they not be of sound mind, but you would be giving alcohol to underage girls.

Not to be a "drama queen", just an observation.

burn · 02-16-2002, 11:44 PM

My mom is always up for photo shoots, free of no charge.

kmanrox · 02-17-2002, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Forest
Anal Retentive Arent we Aaron

im thinking it is better than if he were to be anal sploooogin ...

UnseenWorld · 02-17-2002, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM
AMEN to Unseen

Cameraman, your approach on paying is right on, for your area. The same is done in Las Vegas but hourly pay is still a very common option. I will add that the prices you quote for the daily rate is not even close to LA prices. Either you are full of shit or you have hit a goldmine. If you are full of shit, grab a shovel, if not then I would love to see some of the models being photographed for that price. If they are what I need, I would be interested in doing some model trades with you.

Ditto here. Maybe Aaron and I can make a trek down there and double-team the models, although right now I'm preparing to shoot in Vancouver BC next month.

Terenzo · 02-17-2002, 09:45 AM

btw. back to bangbus....

this site is fucking dead... of course not for ox, they make bling-bling but some morons always have to tell everybody....

great are my cyberage-bangbus sites... great convertion ratio there ;)

Brian · 02-17-2002, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

Well, I was posting it to be helpful. I do not mind competition at all. Look around and you will see that I even refer people to Devine Content, Coconut Content, and Unseenword, all of which are direct competitors in my market.

I do not give a flying fuck what your intentions are and your attitude towards me is totally uncalled for. If you want to pick a fight, you came to the right person. If you want help, hit me up on ICQ. I am not going to go out of my way top contact somebody who tells me to fuck off. Make the choice, either way will not effect me.

For what it's worth, I am building an amateur pay site at the moment and decided to call Aaron's bluff to see if what he said about not minding competition was true.

When I got him on the phone, he wasn't at all like the dick I thought he would be. He's actually cool as hell. Every word he said made 100% sense. He was incredibly helpful and answered every question I had. Lucky for me because I had a few things backwards.

The guy knows his shit inside and out and has obviously been doing this for quite a while. I'm not surprised he's successful.

02-15-2002, 10:02 PM	#57
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02-15-2002, 10:09 PM	#60
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Did I tell you guys about the popcorn bucket trick in the movies and how I met my wife? __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

02-16-2002, 04:23 PM	#66
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	This business was founded on one principle, get a chick to do whatever YOU want her to do for the cheapest amount of money and resell it and exploit her. "Get it as cheap as you can and charge as much as you can for others to view it." - Fletch's Motto __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

02-16-2002, 07:16 PM	#67
cameraman Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 50	I agree with UnseenWorld, the price some people are paying models is absolutely rediculous. I am in LA and you can hire Penthouse Pets and just about any porn star through some of the agencies. Usually we don't pay or hire by the hour but for a half day or full day. Half day is $150 and full day is $300. Sometimes we have to pay $500 for a full day for a busier model. This is for single girl or girl-girl, but not usually for any boy-girl. How long is a half day and full day? For me it is 6 hours and 12 hours. A standard day in film induistry is 12 hours, after that it's considered overtime. But sometimes half day is done in 3 hours, and full day in 8. I always laugh when one company I know pays $300 per hour for the same model I pay $300 per day. __________________ Killer Babes for Sale

02-16-2002, 11:44 PM	#73
burn Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 507	My mom is always up for photo shoots, free of no charge. __________________ Trade traffic with my sites!

02-15-2002, 09:52 PM	#51
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	now that's entertainment.

02-15-2002, 09:55 PM	#54
Forest Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hollywood Fl. Posts: 8,988	Well My mother Probably My wife I dont have one Never have and I guess I hit a nerve in there somewhere if your throwing family into the mix Or is it just my Spelling and Punctuation that has you all Hottt and Bothered

02-15-2002, 10:01 PM	#56
Forest Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hollywood Fl. Posts: 8,988	Well I already told you No Small PeePee's Go play in PeeWee's Play house shooo shooo

02-15-2002, 10:10 PM	#61
Forest Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hollywood Fl. Posts: 8,988	Bone U use the Big bucket right??? Extra Butter makes it more lubricated

02-15-2002, 10:41 PM	#63
BrettJ ol' timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 4,715	Kush - you nentioned paying... we pay .75 cents per image (regardless of whether we use it or not) (we pay less if they do softcore and more if they do hardcore/lesbian) about the drugs or alccohol.... your contract ... should state that the women are of sound mind and body (or at least that type of shit)... if they are fucked up during the shoot... they can use that to claim the content was illegally shot and put you a financial and legal pickle. and now that you've talked to aaron on the phone... you are probably takin' to heart his suggestion not to shoot a baked bitch... not many guys want to buy membership to a site with stoned girls... ~ Brett

02-16-2002, 10:41 PM	#70
SNOW Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,963	CAMERAMAN ICQ ME.......Or email.. I'm in La as well..... 54866383 steve@mafiabucks I have a shitload of models lined up..Maybe we can trade.. Steve

02-16-2002, 10:57 PM	#71
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	AMEN to Unseen Cameraman, your approach on paying is right on, for your area. The same is done in Las Vegas but hourly pay is still a very common option. I will add that the prices you quote for the daily rate is not even close to LA prices. Either you are full of shit or you have hit a goldmine. If you are full of shit, grab a shovel, if not then I would love to see some of the models being photographed for that price. If they are what I need, I would be interested in doing some model trades with you.

02-16-2002, 11:42 PM	#72
Danny_C Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,160	You know, besides the "sound mind" factor, I noticed an even bigger flaw... you said your models were 18-21. What state are you in? More than likely, legal drinking age is 21. So not only would they not be of sound mind, but you would be giving alcohol to underage girls. Not to be a "drama queen", just an observation.

02-17-2002, 09:45 AM	#76
Terenzo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 971	btw. back to bangbus.... this site is fucking dead... of course not for ox, they make bling-bling but some morons always have to tell everybody.... great are my cyberage-bangbus sites... great convertion ratio there ;) __________________ Signature Spot - USD 5000 / month