How much to pay models?

now that's entertainment.

This is funny shit

Hey man....It gets me, your wife, and your mother off. It must not be that bad.

Well My mother Probably

My wife I dont have one Never have

and I guess I hit a nerve in there somewhere if your throwing family into the mix


Or is it just my Spelling and Punctuation that has you all Hottt and Bothered

Actually, it is your new, sexy, tight ass that has me all hot and bothered.

Well I already told you

No Small PeePee's

Go play in PeeWee's Play house

shooo
shooo

Is it true that while shooting a model, its good to whip out your dick while you are filming and jerk off telling her she's soo hot you just cant resist?

Its gotta make for some good film content her reaction.

When Randy West does it in his porn movies, the chciks always end up craving it.

Is that real?

I tried that on my First model shoot

The only pics i got was her ASS heading out the door

Depends if she likes you....Hot models never work that way...LOL

Did I tell you guys about the popcorn bucket trick in the movies and how I met my wife?

Bone

U use the Big bucket right???

Extra Butter makes it more lubricated

a) I pay $50 an hour, whether I'm working here or even in Vegas where the girls often get paid $100 an hour or more. If they bitch, I tell them they can stay home and watch a movie instead, it they like, and when the movie is over, they can say to ghemselves, "This fucking movie just cost me $150!" It's the guy who pays the $100 an hour who is getting screwed.

b) I pay them $50 an hour (stills) no matter what they do. Video is different: I pay $100 per hour, but since a video session is typically 1/2 hour, they get $50. It's the same whether I viddy them brushing their teeth or licking another girl's pussy. How come I pay so little? Because they will work for that. The law of supply in demand. If I can get what I need for $50 an hour, I'd be an idiot to pay $75 or $100, wouldn't I? To most of these girls, money is money, and if they got somebody to pay them $100/hr, $50/hr still sounds better than nothing. I have girls coming back for shoot after shoot even though they regularly get paid half again or even twice as much elsewhere. Of course, part of it is that I take pretty pictures. If your photos look like shit, you might not be so lucky.

c) You are aware, I hope, that a release could conceivably be invalidated if you gave the model drugs or alcohol? Her attorney could argue that she was induced to sign only after you adversely affected her judgment through intoxicants. Also, if she isn't old enough to drink, you are taking another chance. Don't. If you and a model are ever in a dispute in front of a judge, which one of you is going to be the more sympathetic character: the pornographer or the poor little girl he duped through alcohol into signing away her nudie pics?

d) Girl-girl has become very easy to get. I think the guys today have totally forgotten the art of treating females well, so the girls are getting sex from each other. "Guys are too much trouble," as one of them said. Almost every girl I work with will have sex with almost any other girl I pair her up with, no questions asked at my standard rates...the same rates I pay for solo girl stuff. Why? Because they like sex, and as one of the girls said while having her pussy licked by another sexy girl, "I can't believe I'm being paid to do this. I don't know why everybody doesn't do it!"

e) I think the mistake many young, beginning photographers make in this market is to treat the session as something other than business. Don't get me wrong: This field is tons of fun, and I joke around with the models quite a bit...and often the conversation is sexual in nature. However, someone without a keen sense of what's appropriate (under the circumstances, which are anything but normal) can cause himself a lot of trouble. And it goes without saying that it's hands-off the girls. As my attorney told me (and, of course, this is a paraphrase...I didn't have a recorder taped under the table), "If you and a girl seem on the same wavelength and you'd like to pursue a social relationship with her, first of all make sure she has her clothes back on and has been paid. Then, invite her out for a cup of coffee. If that goes well, take her to a movie or a concert. Once you do that, it would be very difficult for her to file a successful sexual harassment complaint. You need to remember that your studio or shooting location is a workplace under the law, and while it's an unusual workplace with some rather obvious differences and arguably some exceptions to the normal standards, it is a workplace nevertheless." One of the curious facts of this business is that, quite often, even if I don't offer the girls a hug as they leave the shoot, they will frequently come up and hug me. It might be my age (about the same as their father's), or it might be my baby face. It might also be that these girls often have not had a father figure. What I'm saying is that, contrary to what you believe, your youth will probably work against you. They are much more likely to trust me at my age than you at yours, and some of the girls have even put it to me in so many words. And I've done a LOT of girls. Just some of them are here: http://www.unseenworld.com/matrix.html

Kush - you nentioned paying... we pay .75 cents per image (regardless of whether we use it or not)

(we pay less if they do softcore and more if they do hardcore/lesbian)

about the drugs or alccohol.... your contract ... should state that the women are of sound mind and body (or at least that type of shit)...

if they are fucked up during the shoot... they can use that to claim the content was illegally shot and put you a financial and legal pickle. and now that you've talked to aaron on the phone... you are probably takin' to heart his suggestion not to shoot a baked bitch... not many guys want to buy membership to a site with stoned girls...

~ Brett

We photographers are competitors, but you'd be surprised how much we cooperate as well. We help each other find models, refer business we don't want or can't fulfill as well as the other guy, and so on.

Because the best photos are not of drunk or drugged girls. You want a girl who looks hot and alert and ready, not one who can hardly keep her eyes open, or whose pupils are dilated and looks like her head is about to explode.

But, of course, I suppose there's a market out there for the sort of jerkoff whose approach to seduction is to carry around a bottle of roofies.

This business was founded on one principle, get a chick to do whatever YOU want her to do for the cheapest amount of money and resell it and exploit her.

"Get it as cheap as you can and charge as much as you can for others to view it." - Fletch's Motto

I agree with UnseenWorld, the price some people are paying models is absolutely rediculous.

I am in LA and you can hire Penthouse Pets and just about any porn star through some of the agencies. Usually we don't pay or hire by the hour but for a half day or full day. Half day is $150 and full day is $300. Sometimes we have to pay $500 for a full day for a busier model. This is for single girl or girl-girl, but not usually for any boy-girl.

How long is a half day and full day? For me it is 6 hours and 12 hours. A standard day in film induistry is 12 hours, after that it's considered overtime.
But sometimes half day is done in 3 hours, and full day in 8.

I always laugh when one company I know pays $300 per hour for the same model I pay $300 per day.

I don't like the word "exploit," because it can have two meanings: 1) as a neutral synonym for "use" and 2) and pejoratively as "to use to the detriment of...." In the capitalist system, everybody exploits everyone. The model exploits the photographer's need for talent, the photographer exploits the model's "talent," the photographer exploits his customer's need for photography, and that person exploits someone else's desire to view it. These are all neutral uses of the term. The bad kind of exploitation is something like slavery, where the exploited party has no options and is just used and discarded. Generally speaking, models freely choose to pose, frequently because they'd rather do that than hold down a "real job" as a waitress or because it brings in more money in less time, giving them more free time for studying, taking care of their baby, or whatever. In other words, while the feminist stands on the outside declaring it exploitation, the so-called "exploited women" actually view it as an opportunity.

THANKS FOR THE GREAT ADVICE...

CAMERAMAN ICQ ME.......Or email.. I'm in La as well.....

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steve@mafiabucks

I have a shitload of models lined up..Maybe we can trade..

Steve

AMEN to Unseen

Cameraman, your approach on paying is right on, for your area. The same is done in Las Vegas but hourly pay is still a very common option. I will add that the prices you quote for the daily rate is not even close to LA prices. Either you are full of shit or you have hit a goldmine. If you are full of shit, grab a shovel, if not then I would love to see some of the models being photographed for that price. If they are what I need, I would be interested in doing some model trades with you.

You know, besides the "sound mind" factor, I noticed an even bigger flaw... you said your models were 18-21. What state are you in? More than likely, legal drinking age is 21. So not only would they not be of sound mind, but you would be giving alcohol to underage girls.

Not to be a "drama queen", just an observation.

My mom is always up for photo shoots, free of no charge.

im thinking it is better than if he were to be anal sploooogin ...

Ditto here. Maybe Aaron and I can make a trek down there and double-team the models, although right now I'm preparing to shoot in Vancouver BC next month.

btw. back to bangbus....

this site is fucking dead... of course not for ox, they make bling-bling but some morons always have to tell everybody....

great are my cyberage-bangbus sites... great convertion ratio there ;)

For what it's worth, I am building an amateur pay site at the moment and decided to call Aaron's bluff to see if what he said about not minding competition was true.

When I got him on the phone, he wasn't at all like the dick I thought he would be. He's actually cool as hell. Every word he said made 100% sense. He was incredibly helpful and answered every question I had. Lucky for me because I had a few things backwards.

The guy knows his shit inside and out and has obviously been doing this for quite a while. I'm not surprised he's successful.