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What are your opinions on trials on solo sites?
i'm trying it out, 1.95 a 1 day trial, recurring at 29.95
monthly membership option for 24.95.. what do you guys think? i've been told by some that a trial on a solo site is a nono.. but equal amount of people telling me its a good thing.... thoughts?
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Trials suck.
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As for me, i think that trials are very bad idea for non-nude sites, but not very bad for totally nude... IMHO.
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Are you making good cash on your previous client list? cross sales? upsales? You get more clients but in a single girl site retention is low.
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Consider your sources.
Who is telling you trials are good? Who is telling you trials are bad? Base your decision off of that. Though I think 1-day trials on one solo site is a huge mistake. If you had a network of sites, ok maybe, but you only have one. The surfer will download all of the content within minutes.
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24.95 isn't that the lowest most solo sites go for monthly?
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bakirrrrammm trial mekonam
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Aye... you have much to learn young grass hopper. I hope you have your own traffic to test this stuff out on, otherwise you're just going to piss off and lose your affiliates.
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Maybe i'm jumping the gun.... i'm just paranoid because a couple good listings and some paid traffic didn't yeild any sales...
yes thats right, no sales..i'm more honest then i should be... thats why i'm looking for beta testers and not open to all affiliates ![]() but.. is my tour okay? is it normal for paid listings to not yeild sales right away with a new site? will people bookmark the site and signup later maybe? is my monthly price too high?? i have so many doubts
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Picture this. How much content do you have in there NOW? How often are you promising your members to update and how hot/varied is your content? If YOU took a look inside, would you rebill?
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do a limited trial members area, so they have to upgrade to see the whole site
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Hey SOS, GL With everything...
I think the only trial even conceivable on an amateur site (especially if you aren't offering special offers on the cancellation to multiple other single girl sites for the price of one etc) is a limited trial membership. I am yet to hear results good or bad from anyone about solo girl sites and limited trial memberships. AS a surfer limited trials seriously piss me off, ran into one last night when I was surfing for the first time in AGES... However if it was stated up front the trial was 'limited access' on the join page, and the limited trial price was appropriate ($1.00 I would guess) I could see it working well if you treat it properly. Signup ratios could feasibly be lower than a straight pay per month site which puts you in between straight up paid monthlys and trial sites.. But you have to keep in mind, you are selling them twice - Literally!
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Hope life is treating you well
![]() I'll be honest with you, regular trials aren't worth it - These two are the same One Month Signups with a 1:1500 signup ratio Three Day $4.95 Trial with a 1:700 signup ratio You just have to find other things to tweak besides the trials ;)
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Trials on a single site are bad. If you do it, do something semi valuable.
$9.95 for a 7 day trail. Why? Because the surfer is literally going to download your entire site. So get paid... \ Trails work for Nasty Dollars because you cannot possibly download all of the content in 3 days... Unless you are going to cue shit for 72 hours straight... Oddly enough, 3day weekends are the most often bought and cancelled with 100% downloaded... |
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Wow...no sales REALLY suprises me. When I put up my first solo girl site, the girl was about the same level of hottness as Julia, and we probably got 50 sales our first week. If I were you, I would really start spamming the surfer forums with pics of your girl. I dont think you need to change your tour at all either. The design is clean and the photos are nice and sharp.
I would STRONGLY recommend opening up to all affiliates. You need as many people getting your site out there as possible. Make some hosted galleries are submit them to a few places yourself even. Because Julia is a new girl, this should be one of your most profitable times. People love a new face. Just my ![]() ...Oh yea....dont do trials. ...Oh yea again...800 Wooo Hoooo!!!
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I think adding Paycom as a billing option in a cascade is going to make you more money. But it is like using solar panels on the roof of a home, it will make you money, but cost you more upfront. If you can afford to buy NATS and add Paycom to the cascade, you will be making more money and paying this venture off faster in the medium to long run.
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i do better with www.lovelyvanessa.com since i killed the trial option. i do the same amount in sales, but now each at 19.95 (which i think is enough for a single girl site without liveshows). and the amount of people who do 39.95 non-recurring memberships seriuosly increased since then.
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Hey S.O.S. Hope things turned for the better for you
![]() Only thing I saw that FLEW out at me as somehting I would change was the top right pic on the first page - That pic doesn't do her justice ![]() Maybe it's just me?? But for a single girl model picture I am sure oyu have a better one that would fit up there ... Some skin, maybe a underwear shot from the side with her tugging at her panties and back arched the right way etc... Sure you can find one ![]()
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the first page one on the right? dude i love that pic
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A little airbrushing on the first page left one you are talkign about to make that round ass with the samek tone of skin color all the way around... and you are set
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hate trials they go in and download the whole site for 2-5 bucks fuck that.
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i'm taking the trials off btw
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want to do your self a favor, make them 9.99 for 30 days, and then rebill at 29 or 39.
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Are you planning on doing ANY PPS, or only revshare?
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Then I don't think a trial is essential.
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your making this stuff compicated, its not complicated at all.
some rules to live by: 1: dont care about what the other guy is doing 2: nothing is written in stone and there is no industry standard 3: start your site, then adjust as you get feed back from customers 4: dont take advice on a pay site from "webmasters" who do not run one. this stuff is not complicated, go with your instinct and the direction you want your business to go. |
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ok..I just saw your site and read what this girl was suppose to be saying, what caught my attention was
" Well, someone made my dream come true shortly after I turned 18. They asked me if I wanted to pose nude on the Internet" this killed me ...a girls dream come true....pose nude on the internet ...LOL ...ya... |
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You took the first big step by actually starting your own site instead of talking about it like 99% of the people you see on here talking about starting their own paysite....Your problem is that you've been around GFY and know about paid listings and affiliates and all of that other shit and now you're bound within the restraints of the adult webmaster community....Now you're bouncing ideas off of webmasters, designers, noobs, and wannabe's who may not know a gotdamn thing in the first place and you have to filter out what is bullshit and what isn't. Just like that thread where you asked if you "should" buy NATS when you already had decided in your mind that you were going to buy it anyway. If it was me, I would have just bought NATS and announced it later. Do what YOU want to do and if it fucks up, you'll learn from your mistakes...Just like people told me about traffic leaks on a paysite tour and all of that wouldn't work...Well that's bullshit because my non-affiliate tour page is PLASTERED with advertising and I'm looking for more...Why? Because I realized through TRIAL AND ERROR that I could have ten thousand links up on that tour. If I have the skill to hold their attention long enough to get them to the join link, then I will still make sales IN ADDITION to the extra advertising. But if I just listened to assholes who know NOTHING about traffic leaks, I wouldn't have done it and I would have never known the joy of promoting sponsors on a paysite tour page. Now I'm going to drink some more Brandy and get ta playing some Xboxlive. oh....and NO TRIALS.
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I used to have an amateur site..different niche and all, but I definitely think your text could use some help...how bout something like this:
"Hi! My name is Julia Blue, and I'm so excited to be sharing my naughty little secret with you! I've always been the "good girl" and when I turned 18, I decided I needed a change! I started just doing what I wanted, because, hey, I'm only young once, right? Every girl dreams of being a model, and I jumped at the chance to show off my sexy tight body! But don't tell anyone, ok? My parents would freak out if they knew I was taking such sexy pics, so let's keep it just between you and me, ok?" Jeez, I dunno, that sucked, too, but the point I was trying to make is that your text should sound young, and excited, and bubbly, like your average 18 year old seems. Her personality or persona should jump out at you. It is a personality driven site..if your surfer wanted to just look at random naked chicks, he could look anywhere...you have to reel him in and your hook is your girl, but it's not JUST her looks..it's just as much the personality that is conveyed. Otherwise he'll just find a 10-15 dollar mega site and look at young tight-bodied brunettes there, right? |
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It's great for your affiliates and horrible for you.
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