To Everyone Bitching about the FSC.

[will76]

You guys need to first get a fucking clue then shut the fuck up and read everything below.

#1 problem with this industry: very little representation or unity. Do any of you find it disturbing that a couple million bible thumping, radical religious zeolyst can control the political decissions that affect hundreds of millions people. They get to push their way of life onto us and try to drive us out of business, and what to we do... nothing but bitch to each other. There is no doubt we out number them, there are more adult webmasters alone then these religious radicals, but they push us all (and the majority of americans) around like little bitches. So why do they get their way. Simple, they are organized and they scream loud to politicans and the govt. Since no one stands up to oppose them they get whatever they want.

The only group that backs us up is the FSC so why do some of you shit on them. Instead, we should not only back them 110% but we should be taxing ourselves and creating our own PAC's and other groups to take these religious fuckers head on. Fight toe to toe on all fronts not just stick our tails between our legs and bitch about the FSC. We wait till they back us in a corner and then we let the FSC go after them and we sit back do nothing but bitch about the FSC ??? We should Go after THEM for once. Start Priest Watch Sites, turn up the heat on them and expose all their sins, expose these fuckers everytime they open their mouths about us and show the rest of america how these religious zeolyst are hypocrites. Everytime they stick their nose in our business we need to stick our nose back in theirs 3fold. The come to our work place and mess with us, we should bring it to their fucking churches and their meeting places.

Ok now back to reality. I doubt that will ever happen. The fact of the matter is we can't even support the one group fighting for us, muchless get united and fight for ourselves.

Take the 2257 situation for example. And i hope all you who are crying about the FSC charging membership fees read this.

FSC/DoJ Reach Agreement Suspending 2257 Enforcement for Plaintiffs and FSC Members
Posted: June 23, 2005
Denver, Co. - The Free Speech Coalition (FSC) announced today a stipulation between the parties in Free Speech Coalition et al v. Alberto Gonzales, under which the U.S. Department of Justice agrees that the regulations relating to the federal record-keeping and labeling law, 18 U.S.C. §2257, will not be enforced against plaintiffs and all FSC members until September 7, 2005.


All of you who are bitching about, "why must i pay to join to be protected" well idiots you don't. READ -> " will not be enforced against PLAINTIFFS and all FSC members". YOU DO NOT HAVE TO JOIN FSC TO BE PROTECTED. GO HIRE YOUR OWN ATTORNEY AND BE A PLAINTIFF. HIRE YOUR OWN ATTORNEY AND PAY Tens of THOUSANDS of dollars or STFU and pay $300 and let the only group that gives a shit about us handle it. your choice.

I realize most of the people who do bitch about the FSC are either surfers, people who live to be arguing pricks, or webmasters that make no money and really don't give a fuck about our industry. For those of you who actually have something to contribute to this industry and have had any success here, if you are one of the ones bitching about the FSC then that is really sad. I hope you wise up or just simply shut the fuck up unless you have solutions to offer. No one likes whinning people who are always bitching and complaining.

Rant over.

I purposly wrote this in the "fucking" way that i did because i know that is the only way some of you can comprehend anything.

[xxxice]

Good post

[RedShoe]

I stopped reading right here... "There is no doubt we out number them, there are more adult webmasters alone then these religious radicals"

Are you high? There are WAY more religious zealots in america than there are adult webmasters.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by RedShoe

I stopped reading right here... "There is no doubt we out number them, there are more adult webmasters alone then these religious radicals"

Are you high? There are WAY more religious zealots in america than there are adult webmasters.

Excuse Will, he has permanent road rage. Maybe he meant surfers?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by RedShoe

I stopped reading right here... "There is no doubt we out number them, there are more adult webmasters alone then these religious radicals"

Are you high? There are WAY more religious zealots in america than there are adult webmasters.

Doesnt matter, what matter is Jesus freaks vote. We do not appearntly.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by will76

You guys need to first get a fucking clue then shut the fuck up and read everything below.

OK you complain about so called FSC whiners yet this is the umpteenth thread someone has started telling complainers to STFU. Hypocrite. YOU STFU.

The only thing worse about FSC whiners is those that whine about FSC whiners.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by will76

Do any of you find it disturbing that a couple million bible thumping, radical religious zeolyst can control the political decissions that affect hundreds of millions people.

I think you're vastly underestimating the number of stong religious believers in the United States.

Later on you even suggest there are more adult webmasters than there are religious zealots in the US. Absurd.

[dopeman]

the extreme right wing are highly motivated, organized, lethally dedicated and proactive. they get shit done better than any other 'niche' group out there. these are the people that bomb abortion clinics.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by dopeman

the extreme right wing are highly motivated, organized, lethally dedicated and proactive. they get shit done better than any other 'niche' group out there. these are the people that bomb abortion clinics.

How come we can't find a few nut jobs to bomb something?

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by GatorB

How come we can't find a few nut jobs to bomb something?

You're looking for nut jobs to bomb things? I don't think that's legal, Mr. DOJ.

[will76]

Originally Posted by RedShoe

I stopped reading right here... "There is no doubt we out number them, there are more adult webmasters alone then these religious radicals"

Are you high? There are WAY more religious zealots in america than there are adult webmasters.

then you are idiot for missing the main part of the post. But yes I think there are more adult webmasters the religious zeolyst and i explaned why. which you bothered not to read. Whether you agree with my fucking opinion of how many relgious zeolyst there are in the US or not, the main point was that we should not be bitching about the FSC.

[will76]

Originally Posted by GatorB

OK you complain about so called FSC whiners yet this is the umpteenth thread someone has started telling complainers to STFU. Hypocrite. YOU STFU.

The only thing worse about FSC whiners is those that whine about FSC whiners.

This is the first post I made about this.

Your right it is better to complain about the FSC, which is trying to help us then complaining about the people who are bitching about the only group trying to help us.

[bhutocracy]

good posts, but you're wrong about the number of webmasters and it's "zealots".

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by will76

This is the first post I made about this.

So? I said this was the umpteenth thread about FSC whiners. I didn't say YOU made all of those threads. You have something to say chocker didn't already?

Your right it is better to complain about the FSC, which is trying to help us then complaining about the people who are bitching about the only group trying to help us.

Seems like they are trying to help their wallet. That's just my opinion. the government was willingot deal what does that tell yuo? Hmmm they knew they would lose. So why deal? Get the injunction. Also you deal from a posistion of STENGTH and the FSC had it and they got a shitty deal. Also Anyone that claims they are "helping" me but is willing to feed me to the feds if I don't fork over cash to them is not my firend now are they?

[Hornydog4cooter]

Originally Posted by will76

You guys need to first get a fucking clue then shut the fuck up and read everything below.

#1 problem with this industry: very little representation or unity. Do any of you find it disturbing that a couple million bible thumping, radical religious zeolyst can control the political decissions that affect hundreds of millions people. They get to push their way of life onto us and try to drive us out of business, and what to we do... nothing but bitch to each other. There is no doubt we out number them, there are more adult webmasters alone then these religious radicals, but they push us all (and the majority of americans) around like little bitches. So why do they get their way. Simple, they are organized and they scream loud to politicans and the govt. Since no one stands up to oppose them they get whatever they want.

The only group that backs us up is the FSC so why do some of you shit on them. Instead, we should not only back them 110% but we should be taxing ourselves and creating our own PAC's and other groups to take these religious fuckers head on. Fight toe to toe on all fronts not just stick our tails between our legs and bitch about the FSC. We wait till they back us in a corner and then we let the FSC go after them and we sit back do nothing but bitch about the FSC ??? We should Go after THEM for once. Start Priest Watch Sites, turn up the heat on them and expose all their sins, expose these fuckers everytime they open their mouths about us and show the rest of america how these religious zeolyst are hypocrites. Everytime they stick their nose in our business we need to stick our nose back in theirs 3fold. The come to our work place and mess with us, we should bring it to their fucking churches and their meeting places.

Ok now back to reality. I doubt that will ever happen. The fact of the matter is we can't even support the one group fighting for us, muchless get united and fight for ourselves.

Take the 2257 situation for example. And i hope all you who are crying about the FSC charging membership fees read this.

FSC/DoJ Reach Agreement Suspending 2257 Enforcement for Plaintiffs and FSC Members
Posted: June 23, 2005
Denver, Co. - The Free Speech Coalition (FSC) announced today a stipulation between the parties in Free Speech Coalition et al v. Alberto Gonzales, under which the U.S. Department of Justice agrees that the regulations relating to the federal record-keeping and labeling law, 18 U.S.C. §2257, will not be enforced against plaintiffs and all FSC members until September 7, 2005.


All of you who are bitching about, "why must i pay to join to be protected" well idiots you don't. READ -> " will not be enforced against PLAINTIFFS and all FSC members". YOU DO NOT HAVE TO JOIN FSC TO BE PROTECTED. GO HIRE YOUR OWN ATTORNEY AND BE A PLAINTIFF. HIRE YOUR OWN ATTORNEY AND PAY Tens of THOUSANDS of dollars or STFU and pay $300 and let the only group that gives a shit about us handle it. your choice.

I realize most of the people who do bitch about the FSC are either surfers, people who live to be arguing pricks, or webmasters that make no money and really don't give a fuck about our industry. For those of you who actually have something to contribute to this industry and have had any success here, if you are one of the ones bitching about the FSC then that is really sad. I hope you wise up or just simply shut the fuck up unless you have solutions to offer. No one likes whinning people who are always bitching and complaining.

Rant over.

I purposly wrote this in the "fucking" way that i did because i know that is the only way some of you can comprehend anything.

Ok here are my only 2 beefs with the fsc:

Please correct me if i am wrong . Then i will shut the hell up...

1: Heavey supporters of the FSC and a board rep from FSC posted that everyone will be covered under the juction. They said the doj wont go after anyone while the injuction is in effect

Qouted from fsc website

"Specifically, the DoJ will not conduct any inspections or pursue any claims with regard to the plaintiffs and their members, but reserves the right to inspect and prosecute anyone who is not a plaintiff or FSC member."

Now please tell me why we have to pay now to be protected?







2: Fsc mentioned that they would not hand over there members list

Now please tell me why they are handing over there list?

Qouted from fsc website

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"According to the stipulation, agreed to and issued as an order of the Court today, the DoJ, will submit any entity it intends to inspect to a Special Master who will then check the entity?s name against a sealed and confidential FSC membership list. The Special Master will be appointed by the Court, with the consent of the parties, and will be under a specific obligation to maintain the confidentiality of the FSC membership list.

A master list of members will be submitted to the Special Master on Wednesday June 29, 2005, and will include all FSC members as of 2:00 p.m. pacific standard time, Saturday June 25, 2005."




Man oh man these guys done switched up on there words and you guys are praiseing them like some kind of gods

[will76]

Originally Posted by dopeman

the extreme right wing are highly motivated, organized, lethally dedicated and proactive. they get shit done better than any other 'niche' group out there. these are the people that bomb abortion clinics.

You guys are missing it, if you REALLY looked into it there is a hand full of religious zeolyst and the rest are fucking sheep and do as they are told. Sure the "religious" out number us, but if you count the zeolyst, the ones who are in command, the ones who get up and speak to their flock or the ones that organize the protest, we out number those fuckers.


But why do you guys want to argue one part of the post. Debating whether or not there is more zeolyst then us is fucking irrelivant. Like i said, us taking them on is simply "not reality" however i do think it is a great idea. The point of the post (which was listed in the title) is why do we shit on the FSC, and also to point out to all you crying bitches, that you can go hire your own attorney you dont have to join the FSC. so why don't any of you debate me on that ?

[will76]

Originally Posted by Hornydog4cooter

Ok here are my only 2 beefs with the fsc:

Please correct me if i am wrong . Then i will shut the hell up...

1: Heavey supporters of the FSC and a board rep from FSC posted that everyone will be covered under the juction. They said the doj wont go after anyone while the injuction is in effect

Qouted from fsc website

"Specifically, the DoJ will not conduct any inspections or pursue any claims with regard to the plaintiffs and their members, but reserves the right to inspect and prosecute anyone who is not a plaintiff or FSC member."

Now please tell me why we have to pay now to be protected?







2: Fsc mentioned that they would not hand over there members list

Now please tell me why they are handing over there list?

Qouted from fsc website

.
"According to the stipulation, agreed to and issued as an order of the Court today, the DoJ, will submit any entity it intends to inspect to a Special Master who will then check the entity?s name against a sealed and confidential FSC membership list. The Special Master will be appointed by the Court, with the consent of the parties, and will be under a specific obligation to maintain the confidentiality of the FSC membership list.

A master list of members will be submitted to the Special Master on Wednesday June 29, 2005, and will include all FSC members as of 2:00 p.m. pacific standard time, Saturday June 25, 2005."




Man oh man these guys done switched up on there words and you guys are praiseing them like some kind of gods

1. because there was NO INJUNCTION. There was an agreement between the FSC and PLAINTIFFS not to prosecute and to review the issue in a couple months.

2. the next sentence that you conviently left out from you quote: " At no time will the DoJ have direct access to the FSC membership list, which will remain under seal. "

If you trusted them enough to join up and fight for you then trust them that your info will not be given out. If you don't trust them then hire your own attorney or STFU ;)

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by will76

You guys are missing it, if you REALLY looked into it there is a hand full of religious zeolyst and the rest are fucking sheep and do as they are told. Sure the "religious" out number us, but if you count the zeolyst, the ones who are in command, the ones who get up and speak to their flock or the ones that organize the protest, we out number those fuckers.

That's some pretty crazy logic. Let me try it out too:

Adult Webmasters heavily outnumber United States Generals (leaders), even though the US Army has far more troops (sheep). In a confrontation, Adult Webmasters should be able to crush the United States Millitary, right?

[Mr. Pat]

Originally Posted by will76

You guys need to first get a fucking clue then shut the fuck up and read everything below.

#1 problem with this industry: very little representation or unity. Do any of you find it disturbing that a couple million bible thumping, radical religious zeolyst can control the political decissions that affect hundreds of millions people. They get to push their way of life onto us and try to drive us out of business, and what to we do... nothing but bitch to each other. There is no doubt we out number them, there are more adult webmasters alone then these religious radicals, but they push us all (and the majority of americans) around like little bitches. So why do they get their way. Simple, they are organized and they scream loud to politicans and the govt. Since no one stands up to oppose them they get whatever they want.

The only group that backs us up is the FSC so why do some of you shit on them. Instead, we should not only back them 110% but we should be taxing ourselves and creating our own PAC's and other groups to take these religious fuckers head on. Fight toe to toe on all fronts not just stick our tails between our legs and bitch about the FSC. We wait till they back us in a corner and then we let the FSC go after them and we sit back do nothing but bitch about the FSC ??? We should Go after THEM for once. Start Priest Watch Sites, turn up the heat on them and expose all their sins, expose these fuckers everytime they open their mouths about us and show the rest of america how these religious zeolyst are hypocrites. Everytime they stick their nose in our business we need to stick our nose back in theirs 3fold. The come to our work place and mess with us, we should bring it to their fucking churches and their meeting places.

Ok now back to reality. I doubt that will ever happen. The fact of the matter is we can't even support the one group fighting for us, muchless get united and fight for ourselves.

Take the 2257 situation for example. And i hope all you who are crying about the FSC charging membership fees read this.

FSC/DoJ Reach Agreement Suspending 2257 Enforcement for Plaintiffs and FSC Members
Posted: June 23, 2005
Denver, Co. - The Free Speech Coalition (FSC) announced today a stipulation between the parties in Free Speech Coalition et al v. Alberto Gonzales, under which the U.S. Department of Justice agrees that the regulations relating to the federal record-keeping and labeling law, 18 U.S.C. §2257, will not be enforced against plaintiffs and all FSC members until September 7, 2005.


All of you who are bitching about, "why must i pay to join to be protected" well idiots you don't. READ -> " will not be enforced against PLAINTIFFS and all FSC members". YOU DO NOT HAVE TO JOIN FSC TO BE PROTECTED. GO HIRE YOUR OWN ATTORNEY AND BE A PLAINTIFF. HIRE YOUR OWN ATTORNEY AND PAY Tens of THOUSANDS of dollars or STFU and pay $300 and let the only group that gives a shit about us handle it. your choice.

I realize most of the people who do bitch about the FSC are either surfers, people who live to be arguing pricks, or webmasters that make no money and really don't give a fuck about our industry. For those of you who actually have something to contribute to this industry and have had any success here, if you are one of the ones bitching about the FSC then that is really sad. I hope you wise up or just simply shut the fuck up unless you have solutions to offer. No one likes whinning people who are always bitching and complaining.

Rant over.

I purposly wrote this in the "fucking" way that i did because i know that is the only way some of you can comprehend anything.

i'd have to say to your post: AGREED. united we stand divided we fall.

"webmasters that make no money and really don't give a fuck about our industry." TRUE. i'm sick of people who don't contribute anything except whining. the deal may not be so great, but at least we had SOMEONE on our side.

[will76]

Originally Posted by GatorB

So? I said this was the umpteenth thread about FSC whiners. I didn't say YOU made all of those threads. You have something to say chocker didn't already?



Seems like they are trying to help their wallet. That's just my opinion. the government was willingot deal what does that tell yuo? Hmmm they knew they would lose. So why deal? Get the injunction. Also you deal from a posistion of STENGTH and the FSC had it and they got a shitty deal. Also Anyone that claims they are "helping" me but is willing to feed me to the feds if I don't fork over cash to them is not my firend now are they?

I don't give a shit about other post, show me how many of the other posts brought up the points that i did. You complain about me "posting" period. I complain about an issue and back it up with facts why the people shouldn't be complaining. Sounds like your complaining just to complain.

to answer the second part of your post:

The FSC felt they had a good case, but where they 100% confident? Hell no. They might have had a great "game face" on, but I bet you none of them felt it was a "LOCK". They had, how long a month or two to prepare. Then went in to yesterday prepared for a fight, they were confident, BUT you never know how courts will rule. An extention is not a loss. It's small victory. They bought more time to prepare. The smart (and safe) thing to do it to take the extra time, and not risk walking out a loser. Keep puting it off and give yourself more time to build an even stronger case.

If they would have turned down the offer and lost, you guys would have wanted to hang them for doing that.

[Hornydog4cooter]

Originally Posted by will76

1. because there was NO INJUNCTION. There was an agreement between the FSC and PLAINTIFFS not to prosecute and to review the issue in a couple months.

2. the next sentence that you conviently left out from you quote: " At no time will the DoJ have direct access to the FSC membership list, which will remain under seal. "

If you trusted them enough to join up and fight for you then trust them that your info will not be given out. If you don't trust them then hire your own attorney or STFU ;)

well tickle my pickle and call me willy

Then why the hell post that no one will be touched in the first place.

If your laywer tell you he's goona get you probation and comes back with 18 months prison time would you be pissed?


And yes the memberslist has been given out.

"A master list of members will be submitted to the Special Master on Wednesday June 29, 2005, and will include all FSC members as of 2:00 p.m. pacific standard time, Saturday June 25, 2005."


I dont care if its to the doj, ronald mcdonald or my great grandmother. If anyone besides the fsc has a copy of the members list it has been handed out.

Now how the hell can you support someone who goes back on there word?

Please tell me how. I am having a hard time grasping this......

[will76]

Originally Posted by WarChild

That's some pretty crazy logic. Let me try it out too:

Adult Webmasters heavily outnumber United States Generals (leaders), even though the US Army has far more troops (sheep). In a confrontation, Adult Webmasters should be able to crush the United States Millitary, right?

yeah i am sure we would have a chance against those tanks and fighter jets. Do the religious fellowship have RPG's ? the anaolgy is weak.

The realigious are volunerable, 99% of them have secrets/sins. If a zealot is pushing for a certain bill to pass, we expose some of his dark secrets and fire shit back at him, do you think they next one that was banging a hooker or molesting a child would be so quick to stand up and bitch about us? You are underestimating the impact we could have on them. It goes both ways they can to push around and we can do the same. Do you think they would like if we protest them? or attacked church and state, if we poured money into gay rights and other hot issues just to piss them off. so many things can be done and we have the money, and the resources to do it.

for the sake of you guys dropping this insignificant part of my post, ok there are 100 to 1 religious zealots in the Us. Now if you have something to say about the FSC and other bitching about them, then please do so.

[pornguy]

I think you nees to go back to the drawing board. the religous people are not asked to pay to be protected for the FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

[Hornydog4cooter]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pat

i'd have to say to your post: AGREED. united we stand divided we fall.

"webmasters that make no money and really don't give a fuck about our industry." TRUE. i'm sick of people who don't contribute anything except whining. the deal may not be so great, but at least we had SOMEONE on our side.

Man give me a frigin break. These are lawyers we are talkin about here. If you gonna fight you do it for everyone. Not only for the ones who contribute to your cause. "For justic and liberty for ALL"

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by will76

The realigious are volunerable, 99% of them have secrets/sins. If a zealot is pushing for a certain bill to pass, we expose some of his dark secrets and fire shit back at him, do you think they next one that was banging a hooker or molesting a child would be so quick to stand up and bitch about us?

I'm not absolutely certain, but I believe a certain man known to snort coke, drive drunk and lie to the nation was able to get re-elected and in a big way. Did you pay attention during the last election, at all?

[TheJimmy]

Originally Posted by pornguy

I think you nees to go back to the drawing board. the religous people are not asked to pay to be protected for the FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

the jewish dude died for their right to free speech remember?

lchaim!

. :/

damm polythiests every one of them...

[will76]

Originally Posted by Hornydog4cooter

Man give me a frigin break. These are lawyers we are talkin about here. If you gonna fight you do it for everyone. Not only for the ones who contribute to your cause. "For justic and liberty for ALL"

Lets all join the peace corps then. How can anyone donate some of thier money and not all of it. These attorneys should be doing this for free Infact they should be coming out of pocket and paying their own damn money for all the expenses their incurred. Membership should be free.

Free Speech Coalition is the trade association of the adult entertainment industry. As a 501 (c)(6) not-for-profit corporation, FSC is funded by membership dues as well as by fundraising efforts.

So how much do you think they really pay themselves?

Point is it's a lot less then you would have to pay to get your own attorney. Point is that they are the only ones standing up for us and you people still want to complain about them. Point is you guys have no valid point, and just want to bitch.

So your beef is that they gave the list to a third party. Are you even a member ? They said the third party is safe and the DOJ will not have access to it. I trust them. MY name is on the list. Do you really think the DOJ couldn't get your name if they wanted it. MY PERSONAL OPINION is that they would rather mess with a non FSC member then a FSC member. If the non member can't afford the $300 then chances are he can not afford his own attorny (in most cases). Or that the person is so ignorant to what is going on they wont think it will happen to them. Either way it would be easier for them to go up against you alone then against you + the FSC.

[Babagirls]

im not reading all of that.

[will76]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I'm not absolutely certain, but I believe a certain man known to snort coke, drive drunk and lie to the nation was able to get re-elected and in a big way. Did you pay attention during the last election, at all?

Yeah we also had a president that shoved a cigar in a girls pussy in the whitehouse ? whats the point. I am talking about the wholier then thouh who think drinking and smoking is bad, that seeing a nipple is terrible sin, and these same people cheating on their wives, molesting kids and hiring hookers. They are the biggest hypocrites of all. The president got relected because he was the best choice between the two candidates. He had their attention and he lied to them and told them he would give them what he wanted, that has no realivance to what i am talking about.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Babagirls

im not reading all of that.

Typical.

but if it was so and so hacked so and so, and this person got fired from company xxx. I am sure it would have your full attention and you would have read every word.

[Hornydog4cooter]

Originally Posted by will76

Lets all join the peace corps then. How can anyone donate some of thier money and not all of it. These attorneys should be doing this for free Infact they should be coming out of pocket and paying their own damn money for all the expenses their incurred. Membership should be free.

Free Speech Coalition is the trade association of the adult entertainment industry. As a 501 (c)(6) not-for-profit corporation, FSC is funded by membership dues as well as by fundraising efforts.

So how much do you think they really pay themselves?

Point is it's a lot less then you would have to pay to get your own attorney. Point is that they are the only ones standing up for us and you people still want to complain about them. Point is you guys have no valid point, and just want to bitch.

So your beef is that they gave the list to a third party. Are you even a member ? They said the third party is safe and the DOJ will not have access to it. I trust them. MY name is on the list. Do you really think the DOJ couldn't get your name if they wanted it. MY PERSONAL OPINION is that they would rather mess with a non FSC member then a FSC member. If the non member can't afford the $300 then chances are he can not afford his own attorny (in most cases). Or that the person is so ignorant to what is going on they wont think it will happen to them. Either way it would be easier for them to go up against you alone then against you + the FSC.

No i am not a member and i will not become one for the simple fact they all ready went back on there word.

Yeap they are non profit cant argure that. But to comply as non profit you cant have nothing left over at the end of the fiscal year. How much you think they are pullin in off of this? Were is all this money going? You cant even get thru to to buy a membership its so damn busy. how much you think they are makin for there salary? come on man Shit they might be pullin in your type of income. I would love to see there records.

"So your beef is that they gave the list to a third party. Are you even a member ? They said the third party is safe and the DOJ will not have access to it. I trust them. MY name is on the list."


Yes my beef is they gave a list to a thrid party. When you say one thing and do another that is a problem. Also to let you know i dont need a attorny i am fully 2257 compliant now

[2257-Ben]

Hi Will,
While I don't necessarily agree with the way you delivered your post, I do defend your right to speak your mind... Which is why, even though I am not an adult web site owner, I have joined the FSC... The free speech issues in question, while they are of an immediate concern to the adult industry, do have a significant impact on content throughout the Internet.

Also, I believe the word you are looking for is 'zealots', not 'zeolysts'.. If you need more information on Zeolysts, you can click on this link... http://www.zeolyst.com/

[will76]

Originally Posted by Hornydog4cooter

No i am not a member and i will not become one for the simple fact they all ready went back on there word.

Yeap they are non profit cant argure that. But to comply as non profit you cant have nothing left over at the end of the fiscal year. How much you think they are pullin in off of this? Were is all this money going? You cant even get thru to to buy a membership its so damn busy. how much you think they are makin for there salary? come on man Shit they might be pullin in your type of income. I would love to see there records.

"So your beef is that they gave the list to a third party. Are you even a member ? They said the third party is safe and the DOJ will not have access to it. I trust them. MY name is on the list."


Yes my beef is they gave a list to a thrid party. When you say one thing and do another that is a problem. Also to let you know i dont need a attorny i am fully 2257 compliant now

what they did with the rest of the money??

Our member services include:

Legislative watchdog for the industry

Lobbying at the state and federal level

Public education

Member education on legal obligations

As a last resort, litigation on key issues

All those things cost money. This Litigation is costing them a lot i am sure. I wouldn't be surprised if it cost more then what they have taken in. Does anyone know if Sirkin and the legal dream team is working for free ? I am curious....

your spliting hairs. so lets get this right, what did they say exactly? did they say they would never give the info to the DOJ, did they say that your info would be safe? Show me a quote. Things change as the situation changes, the main point is the info is safe. The DOJ does not have it. The FSC is there to protect us, they are not going to give you info up to the DOJ, well in your case thats impossible.

[euphoric]

Originally Posted by GatorB

How come we can't find a few nut jobs to bomb something?

The reason we can't find a nut job to bomb something is because we are all busy trying to make MONEY. Religious zealots are obsessed with the bible and imposing their way of life on everyone else. That IS their job as they see it.

Anyway, great post. I'm joining the FSC and support it 110%

[will76]

Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

Hi Will,
While I don't necessarily agree with the way you delivered your post, I do defend your right to speak your mind... Which is why, even though I am not an adult web site owner, I have joined the FSC... The free speech issues in question, while they are of an immediate concern to the adult industry, do have a significant impact on content throughout the Internet.

Also, I believe the word you are looking for is 'zealots', not 'zeolysts'.. If you need more information on Zeolysts, you can click on this link... http://www.zeolyst.com/

You provide a service to adult webmasters you have a vested insterest. You don't have to own a t&a site.

The last time I let spell checker give me suggestions for miss spelled words. zeolyst is what they recommended.

I will be the last to claim I got great grades in english class. Yes I am american and a college grduate. I spent too much time partying though

[pxxx]

Funny how the main point in this thread is being missed.

[Hornydog4cooter]

Wait a minute here lol What did fsc file:

A: motion
B: injuction
C: lawsuit

Some onle please tell me.....

[will76]

Originally Posted by euphoric

Anyway, great post. I'm joining the FSC and support it 110%

thank you.

this industry has lot of problems. Supporting the FSC is the first step in the right direction. For those who don't like the FSC then i suggest we start other groups, that will work for us and help support and protect our industy. But perpetual bitching is not a solution to our problems.

[Hornydog4cooter]

Originally Posted by will76

You provide a service to adult webmasters you have a vested insterest. You don't have to own a t&a site.


crap

Lot of big players like your self have a vested interest as well dont forget to ad that

[will76]

Originally Posted by Hornydog4cooter

Wait a minute here lol What did fsc file:

A: motion
B: injuction
C: lawsuit

Some onle please tell me.....

D: nothing

The FSC and its members and the plaintiffs made an " AGREEMENT".

[Hornydog4cooter]

Originally Posted by will76

thank you.
For those who don't like the FSC then i suggest we start other groups, that will work for us and help support and protect our industy.

Now that aint a bad idea at all!

[will76]

Originally Posted by Hornydog4cooter

Lot of big players like your self have a vested interest as well dont forget to ad that

why do you think i am posting. If this industry gets pushed around it affects my income as well. Even though 99% of my sites are non nude. I know the ripple effects affect us all ( i hope i used affects and effects correctly )

[Hornydog4cooter]

Originally Posted by will76

D: nothing

The FSC and its members and the plaintiffs made an " AGREEMENT".

Wrong again lol

The case is Free Speech Coalition v. Alberto Gonzales, # 05 CV 1126 WDM.

The lawsuit, which was filed on behalf of the membership of the Free Speech Coalition by attorneys representing three law firms - Colorado-based Schwartz & Goldberg PC, Sirkin, Pinales & Schwartz LLP of Ohio, and the Buffalo, N.Y.-based law firm of Lipsitz, Green, Fahringer, Roll, Salisbury & Cambria - contains over 20 separate claims on which basis FSC is asking the court to issue a Temporary Restraining Order.


http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache... ition.com%2F

[Hornydog4cooter]

Originally Posted by will76

why do you think i am posting. If this industry gets pushed around it affects my income as well. Even though 99% of my sites are non nude. I know the ripple effects affect us all ( i hope i used affects and effects correctly )

Just become 2257 compliant and you will be ok.....

[will76]

Originally Posted by pxxx

Funny how the main point in this thread is being missed.

because those who have been bitching about the FSC can not dispute the fact that they could have hired their own lawyers and been protected as well.

Instead the they prefer to debate the number of zealots we have in the US.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Hornydog4cooter

Wrong again lol

The case is Free Speech Coalition v. Alberto Gonzales, # 05 CV 1126 WDM.

The lawsuit, which was filed on behalf of the membership of the Free Speech Coalition by attorneys representing three law firms - Colorado-based Schwartz & Goldberg PC, Sirkin, Pinales & Schwartz LLP of Ohio, and the Buffalo, N.Y.-based law firm of Lipsitz, Green, Fahringer, Roll, Salisbury & Cambria - contains over 20 separate claims on which basis FSC is asking the court to issue a Temporary Restraining Order.


http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache... ition.com%2F

well it certainly wasn't

A: motion
B: injuction
C: lawsuit

call it what you like, what's the difference ?

[2257-Ben]

There are statistics available (since I have talked with my pastor about this) that fully show a minimum of 1/3 of those who profess to be Christians, have significant issues where their major sin is Internet pornography.

Yes, I'm a Christian, no I don't have a 'porn problem'. Unlike many Christians, I am adult enough to know that it's not my place to judge anyone for their behavior in this life. Judgement will be dealt with at a later date.

The only reason I am here on this board is because someone in the adult industry approached me and asked me to assist them in producing a solution to a rather vexing problem the majority of you all here have to deal with. I've met several dozen of you at the CybernetExpo in San Diego last week and I gotta tell ya, I had a great time with a great bunch of people.

While there in SD, I attended the FSC symposium where the panel of 4 attorneys spoke, along with Michelle Freridge and Tom Hymnes. The Executive Director of the FSC emphatically stipulated that the membership list of the organization would absolutely remain secret. That was good enough for me. I paid my membership in support of their efforts.

For the past 3 1/2 weeks I have been intimately involved with the 2257 issue, have gotten VERY familiar with the 18 USC 2257 statutes as well as the 28 CFR part 75 DOJ regulations. While they don't affect me directly, I can and do sympathize with those of you who will be severely impacted by their draconian methods.

If someone like me, a Christian (Libertarian, not Republican) individual can see the 'sense' in joining the FSC without batting an eye (no pun intended for those of you who have seen my 'one-eye' post... ) then surely those of you who would immediately benefit from the protections that FSC membership will provide for you, can belly up to the bar and pay for a 'round'. It's not like you will be paying the whole tab!

Just my

[will76]

Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

There are statistics available (since I have talked with my pastor about this) that fully show a minimum of 1/3 of those who profess to be Christians, have significant issues where their major sin is Internet pornography.

Yes, I'm a Christian, no I don't have a 'porn problem'. Unlike many Christians, I am adult enough to know that it's not my place to judge anyone for their behavior in this life. Judgement will be dealt with at a later date.

The only reason I am here on this board is because someone in the adult industry approached me and asked me to assist them in producing a solution to a rather vexing problem the majority of you all here have to deal with. I've met several dozen of you at the CybernetExpo in San Diego last week and I gotta tell ya, I had a great time with a great bunch of people.

While there in SD, I attended the FSC symposium where the panel of 4 attorneys spoke, along with Michelle Freridge and Tom Hymnes. The Executive Director of the FSC emphatically stipulated that the membership list of the organization would absolutely remain secret. That was good enough for me. I paid my membership in support of their efforts.

For the past 3 1/2 weeks I have been intimately involved with the 2257 issue, have gotten VERY familiar with the 18 USC 2257 statutes as well as the 28 CFR part 75 DOJ regulations. While they don't affect me directly, I can and do sympathize with those of you who will be severely impacted by their draconian methods.

If someone like me, a Christian (Libertarian, not Republican) individual can see the 'sense' in joining the FSC without batting an eye (no pun intended for those of you who have seen my 'one-eye' post... ) then surely those of you who would immediately benefit from the protections that FSC membership will provide for you, can belly up to the bar and pay for a 'round'. It's not like you will be paying the whole tab!

Just my

I have no problem with anyone's religion I was raised catholic and went to a catholic High School. I have a problem with people telling other people how to live. I have a problem with people pushing their views onto other people. I have a problem with the catholic church trying to cover up pedophile priest molesting children because it is bad PR for the church but yet they attack out industry. I have a problem with the vast majority of these evangelist who think they are god's spokesman, and am a evil person because i own a porn site but yet they are ok to go hire a hooker. I have a problem when the same asshole tries to blame his sins on our industry. If we wouldn't have tempted him with porn he wouldn't have hired that hooker. etc...

I wish the religious right would understand Free speach and appreciate it. It goes hand and hand with their religious freedome. It is short sighted of them to try to impose anything on anyone else. i am sure they wouldn't like it things changed some and they were being told what they could say and do.

They are picking a fight with us. They are attempting to affect my LEGALLY made income. I say we take the fight back at them. And when i say "them" i mean those that who think we are going to hell and want to put us out of business. I am not anti religion i am anti hypocrite.

[Centurion]

Originally Posted by Hornydog4cooter

Ok here are my only 2 beefs with the fsc:

Please correct me if i am wrong . Then i will shut the hell up...

1: Heavey supporters of the FSC and a board rep from FSC posted that everyone will be covered under the juction. They said the doj wont go after anyone while the injuction is in effect

Qouted from fsc website

"Specifically, the DoJ will not conduct any inspections or pursue any claims with regard to the plaintiffs and their members, but reserves the right to inspect and prosecute anyone who is not a plaintiff or FSC member."

Now please tell me why we have to pay now to be protected?







2: Fsc mentioned that they would not hand over there members list

Now please tell me why they are handing over there list?

Qouted from fsc website

.
"According to the stipulation, agreed to and issued as an order of the Court today, the DoJ, will submit any entity it intends to inspect to a Special Master who will then check the entity?s name against a sealed and confidential FSC membership list. The Special Master will be appointed by the Court, with the consent of the parties, and will be under a specific obligation to maintain the confidentiality of the FSC membership list.

A master list of members will be submitted to the Special Master on Wednesday June 29, 2005, and will include all FSC members as of 2:00 p.m. pacific standard time, Saturday June 25, 2005."




Man oh man these guys done switched up on there words and you guys are praiseing them like some kind of gods

You'll never get an answer to those questions..because the supporters of the settlement don't have an answer to them. These things we know:

1)At the 11th hour, the attornies and/or powers that be behind the FSC abandoned their proposed injunction, the injunction they had been promoting heavily to get webmasters to support by joining the FSC.

2)They then made a private agreement (remember, those who were already FSC members helped finance this..without your approval too!) which allowed the DOJ to pursue legal action against non-fsc members. (Remember when they said originally that this injunction would help everyone?)

3)This is an AGREEMENT, not a legal binding law, which can be broken, amended, or slipped around at any time by the DOJ. They are not bound to this agreement beyond a "gentleman's agreement". With an injunction, you have binding legal action.

4)This is not an argument that people should get a "free ride" or are cheapskates for not joining the FSC.

5)Members of the FSC payed for ALL of the above. Now, did the MAJORITY of the membership APPROVE of the above actions? That's an important question to ask. If you join between now and Saturday, how do you know that YOUR voice is going to be heard and followed by "the powers that be" in the FSC?

6)And before you can say "HEY FREELOADER!"..yes I am a member of the FSC.
And I don't approve of these actions in any way or manner.

[will76]

Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

There are statistics available (since I have talked with my pastor about this) that fully show a minimum of 1/3 of those who profess to be Christians, have significant issues where their major sin is Internet pornography.

BTW, a lot of us believe that looking at porn is not a sin. Do these same people also think masturbation is a sin. Do you think they wouldn't masturabate if there was no internet porn. If people are weak are cheat on their wives because they meet people online then it is the persons fault and the "internet" is an excuse. The whole if it wasn't for internet porn argument is weak. People are human, either you have morals and self control or you don't.

BTW, if their major [worst] sin is looking at porn, i think they have nothing to worry about.