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				How to handle 2257 as an affiliate
			 
			I've been reading up on this 2257 issue, and realize that regardless of anything else, I need a plan for June 23rd, barring some good news. I hope I can get a few answers to questions I have. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	Currently my site has 1,061 original adult site reviews, and I have never been shy with choosing hardcore images as samples to go beside the review. As far as I understand, I could be considered a "secondary producer" if I'm "publishing" their photographs on my website. Due to the literally hundreds of affiliate programs I'm apart of, I could not feasibly contact each of these sponsors and get my site fixed within this time frame. As such, I'm left with making a generalized rule to apply to my site for the time being. This I'm not sure of. To be 100% safe with every possible sponsor, I should A> remove all hardcore images B> remove all images with any nudity or C> remove all images from the site? Is there any way that my TEXT could be at fault? Can I still call a girl a filthy ass licking slutface, if she happened to be one?  | 
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		 Socks, as far as I understand text is 100% exempt from  2257 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			heres another option, have you thought about contact site owners and seeing if you could hotlink the images you use? Thus it then becomes free hosted content. I for one would have no problem with you hotlinking images from SWR we would just need to put the pics you wanted to use outside the protected members area. Yes it is alot of work, but in the long run sponsors listed on review sites benifit more from reviews with pics then without. just my 2cents -Loki- 
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		 Cool, thanks, that's an interesting take. If the images are hosted on their site, I'm completely exempt from this rule? I can then use hardcore? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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		 [QUOTE=Socks]This I'm not sure of. To be 100% safe with every possible sponsor, I should A> remove all hardcore images B> remove all images with any nudity or C> remove all images from the site?[/i] 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	A for sure, probally B. Might as well do C Quote: 
	
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		 Ask yourself if you can get 2257 info on TEXT. Same answer to whether or not you need 2257 on anime. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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		 well I'm no lawyer but from all I have read and seen my fellow sponsors doing, free hosted content does not put an affil under the role of a 2ndary producer. so thats the take I have on this. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
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		 Will check it out, thanks Loki.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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		 No gatorb - you are wrong - google are not exempt from US Law. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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		 Socks... text is fair game... you can call anyone a slut loving bald pussy whore... and that's not a problem. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
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 The other thing that makes me laugh is "We're not in the US so we don't have to do 2257"...... remember where the top 200 SE's in the world are... and I'll give you a hint.... they're not in fucking Russia.... 
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		 I'm in Canada, but still feel I'd be stupid to ignore the country that 90% of my cheques come from.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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		 Oh man - Im not being funny gator - ive read loads of your posts on this topic - but fuck me in the fucking mouth - you "honestly think" that google cant manage content????? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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		 Gotta say this is a pretty restrictive law for us, going to be more difficult to promote some of the more hardcore sites and reality sites. I *will* comply on that date unless something comes up. I'll also make sure I have the ability to switch right back if I'm able to. Customers will definitely suffer in the short term. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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		 Why would the US government mess with google? They would rather want Google to be their best friend on this issue. Plus their stock is doing so well, it would hurt the index. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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		 Gator - Neither can I reasonably manage my content - we are all fine then? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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		 Gator - seriously - what you are saying surmounts to :- 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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 Seriously... you're right... Google has the cash, and many of us do not. That's not going to stop the US DOJ from going after anyone whether Google or Joe Schmoe. How many indictments were handed down because if silly ass RIAA shit? I take this very seriously, and my site will be fully compliant on June 23rd. No papers? No photos... the surfers can join up and kiss my ass. ![]() 
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 ATTENTION SURFERS - Got to http://www.themasturbationstation.co..._reviews.shtml and DOWNLOAD AS MUCH POSSIBLE PORNO AS YOU BANDWIDTH will ALLOW! After the 23rd you'll be looking at bitches in headdresses like they do overseas. Thank you. Bling Daddy. 
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		 Infact - I havent even seen most of the pics on my site - I am exempt? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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		 I'm going completely with softcore and text links...If my visitors want to see explicit sexual photos or movies they will have to click a text link that leads to my sponsors galleries. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
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		 Funny how they want us all to comply, but haven't put up a general rules and guidelines page to help us comply. Oh no. Just some legal stuff that hurts my head when I try to read it. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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	I just uploaded an image to my server which is returned on google images. Guess what - their image search is still showing the old pic. So they dont only hotlink - they cache their own files. Try it and see - locate an image in their image search which is yours, overwrite it on your server with a different picture, then re-do the search and see the old pic still there. They are NOT compliant and they CAN control what they show. I think they are going to get done big style.  | 
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		 If I had a good way to help you out I would.  Right away. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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		 Socks, I can tell what we are going to do. Luckily we have always tried to select softcore samples for our reviews, so this week I am going to remove all galleries that contain even questionably explicit material.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
	
	Furthermore we are planning to make a 2257 statement saying that since all our content is non-expicit, it is exempt from the regulations. We will also be stating our business address in Denmark. We have even considered linking to each reviewed site's 2257 statement in the bottom of each review. Anybody got input on this solution? Is it overkill? My biggest concern is the screenshots. Even though I try to avoid it, some show occasionally explicit content. Is it enough to white out the part of the screenshot containing the explicit image, or will the entire screenshot be considered explicit?  | 
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		 Another thing is that the word lascivious is not easily defined. Would an image is this be considered lascivious? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
	
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		 fuck 2257 and his mother 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
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