My FINAL public remarks about sonofsam. - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

wjxxx · 05-23-2005, 04:51 PM

interesting reading

jayeff · 05-23-2005, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

I'll never do biz with you directly nor indirectly... because of how you have a second set of rules in this game of business for you and your lemmings.

Exactly. And beginning the first post of this thread by repeating "The kid..." over and over, illustrates the point perfectly.

Nowhere has Aaron claimed that he did deliver what was ordered: by his own version of events he delivered what he felt like delivering and presumably expected SoS to suck it up. Everything else is just misdirection.

Would he have treated everyone like that? If the posts by those iwantchixx refers to as "lemmings" are a guide, obviously not. Apparently he will do business in a reasonable manner with those he considers worthy. But if that is professional, pigs should be flying past my window.

It is ironic that these threads have appeared at the same time as Sleazy's PK interview, so that we can contrast Aaron's blustering with a genuinely professional approach to business.

Ice · 05-23-2005, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Just for clarification...When you say contract, I assume you are referring to my right to enforce my license agreement. Am I correct?

If so, I know somebody will of course post that the license was never issued in the first place...And they would be right in saying that. In most cases, content providers to not go around issuing licenses for content packages that have not been fully paid for. That does not mean that the purchaser has the rights to violate that license simply because it has yet to be issued. You violate, you lose your rights. PERIOD.

Yes I'm speaking of the licence agreement.... without that you can't use the content anyway

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by iceicebaby

If sonofsam broke the tos of the contract with Aaron .... sonofsam doesn't have a leg to stand on. It it the onus of the person that agrees to the contract to understand said contract. It is not the fault of the person who issued the contract for the person signing to understand what he is signing.

From what I have read Sonofsam has broken the tos and has no reason to bitch. Aaron has protected himself with the tos and sonofsam is pissed cause he is out money for breaking the contract with Aaron.... nobodys fault but sonofsam..... take it to court.... Aaron would win hands down

how did i break the contract or terms of service when there WASN'T one?

Ice · 05-23-2005, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

how did i break the contract or terms of service when there WASN'T one?

TOS is on every website you visit...... it's there to protect the owner..... if you didn't see it that is your problem

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 04:59 PM

btw, i forwarded the thread to lightspeed so he can respond

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iceicebaby

TOS is on every website you visit...... it's there to protect the owner..... if you didn't see it that is your problem

Maybe if AARON had a functioning website

http://ampcontent.com/

there would BE a TOS.

there was NO TOS.

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 05:00 PM

btw, read more about the actual situation here

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=470799

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 05:01 PM

and for the record, i DID try and deal with this off the board... its not my fault that Aaron blocked me on ICQ and stopped answering his Phone.

its not hard to see he lives for board drama, so thats why he brought it to the boards.

jayeff · 05-23-2005, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

how did i break the contract or terms of service when there WASN'T one?

Will you for heaven's sake get off GFY and down to a lawyer's office...

You don't seem to have figured out yet, that on here you are still playing the game by Aaron's rules. You haven't a hope in heck of winning anything or of damaging him, so either move on or go after him seriously.

teksonline · 05-23-2005, 05:04 PM

Aaron pulled a bait an switch on this kid, and quite frankly as the business operator, should have had all in writing. Any judge that would see this case, and first question would say, how long you been in business Aaron?, Oh, and you dont have a contract?

He fucked a kid out of his life savings and spit on him on top of it..

On top of that, He kept his money and gave him nothing, That is pure fraud.
And on top of that you threatened him with ficticious law suits.
That is also illegal, Can't say I've seen Aaron do anything right but look like a complete ass... Sorry you don't get to keep the money and him get nothing.
Right there is proof in my eyes your a low life.

Ice · 05-23-2005, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

Maybe if AARON had a functioning website

http://ampcontent.com/

there would BE a TOS.

there was NO TOS.

So it's Aaron's fault if you don't ask? Are you that stupid.... if I was putting out a few k for content I would ask everything.... if I didn't get the answers I wanted I wouldn't buy from them..... Don't try and turn your stupidity against Aaron.... everyone I know that has bought content from him is more than happy. I don't know and don't care what your situation is with him.... that is between you and him...... but it seems you are fighting a loosing battle..... you did not read, ask, understand before you moved forward and you are bitter now..... Is that Aaron's fault? NO

The responsibility is on you to understand the agreement before you enter into it.... PERIOD!

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 05:07 PM

jayeff: i'm not after my 3600 bucks...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=470799

i posted in here that i'm not trying to get it back, nor will i accept it back... to prove i have nothing to gain by lying... what i wanted was for people to see how he conducts business

nofx · 05-23-2005, 05:09 PM

sonofsam is a good guy.

I find it fucked up that so many people like to take advantage of others on GFY.

sherie · 05-23-2005, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by iceicebaby

So it's Aaron's fault if you don't ask? Are you that stupid.... if I was putting out a few k for content I would ask everything.... if I didn't get the answers I wanted I wouldn't buy from them..... Don't try and turn your stupidity against Aaron.... everyone I know that has bought content from him is more than happy. I don't know and don't care what your situation is with him.... that is between you and him...... but it seems you are fighting a loosing battle..... you did not read, ask, understand before you moved forward and you are bitter now..... Is that Aaron's fault? NO

The responsibility is on you to understand the agreement before you enter into it.... PERIOD!

Ahh I see you found room on the bandwagon ;)

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sherie

Ahh I see you found room on the bandwagon ;)

lol sherie... thats what happens when aaron starts losing a thread, he goes and makes another thread so people can be sheep without actually even knowing the story

full story http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=470799

Ice · 05-23-2005, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherie

Ahh I see you found room on the bandwagon ;)

GnR forever baby

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iceicebaby

GnR forever baby

speaking of GnR sherie, you havn't been around preaching that shit lately lol

media · 05-23-2005, 05:15 PM

I have dealt with AaronM on many occasions, The guy is a class act.. Though he may be slow at times (circumstances come up) he has fulfilled his end of the bargain, There are those impatient people who want to make shit up and try to ruin peoples reputations when someone does not get them something as fast as they would like so they come crying to the board..

I gave Aaron my opinion on this whole matter, Though him and I had some different views I think we ultimately agree on most aspects of this matter.

For those who have or had plans to deal with AaronM I would say that 99.99% of the time it will be a problem free deal.. and the problems that you do encounter are meaningless in the scheme of things and he follows through as fast as he can to make things right.

bu((aneer · 05-23-2005, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by iceicebaby

So it's Aaron's fault if you don't ask? Are you that stupid.... if I was putting out a few k for content I would ask everything.... if I didn't get the answers I wanted I wouldn't buy from them..... Don't try and turn your stupidity against Aaron.... everyone I know that has bought content from him is more than happy. I don't know and don't care what your situation is with him.... that is between you and him...... but it seems you are fighting a loosing battle..... you did not read, ask, understand before you moved forward and you are bitter now..... Is that Aaron's fault? NO

The responsibility is on you to understand the agreement before you enter into it.... PERIOD!

dont you have a woman to go and beat somewhere?

tical · 05-23-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bu((aneer

dont you have a woman to go and beat somewhere?

that was... "cold blooded" haha

wallst · 05-23-2005, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

jayeff: i'm not after my 3600 bucks...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=470799

i posted in here that i'm not trying to get it back, nor will i accept it back... to prove i have nothing to gain by lying... what i wanted was for people to see how he conducts business

dude, would you shut the fuck up allready. all you want to do is badmouth people for your own shortcomings and mistakes. now that you dont want your money back, you look like a total idiot.

do yourself a favor, get a life and get over it.

i feel bad for aarron, you are a real fucking retard.

sherie · 05-23-2005, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by iceicebaby

GnR forever baby

You fucking know it toots!! I was going to resort to a hostile take-over and start posting GnR lyric's like I sometimes do...I guess it's not to late....

Been hidin' out
And layin' low
It's nothin' new ta me
Well you can always find
a place to go
If you can keep your sanity
They break down the doors
And they rape my rights but
They won't touch me
They scream and yell
And fight all night
You can't tell me
I lose my head
I close my eyes
They won't touch me
'Cause I got somethin'
I been buildin' up inside
For so fuckin' long

[CHORUS:]

They're out ta get me
They won't catch me
I'm innocent
They won't break me

Sometimes it's easy to forget where you're goin'
Sometimes it's harder to leave
And everytime you think you know just what you're doin'
That's when your troubles exceed
They push me in a corner
Just to get me to fight but
They won't touch me
They preach and yell
And fight all night
You can't tell me
I lose my head
I close my eyes
They won't touch me
'Cause I got somethin'
I been buildin' up inside
I'm already gone

[Chorus]

Some people got a chip on their shoulder
An some would say it was me
But I didn't buy that fifth of whisky
That you gave me
So I'd be quick to disagree

[Chorus]

They're out to get me
They won't catch me
I'm innocent
So you can
Suck me
Take that one to heart

TADA!

Ice · 05-23-2005, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherie

You fucking know it toots!! I was going to resort to a hostile take-over and start posting GnR lyric's like I sometimes do...I guess it's not to late....

Been hidin' out
And layin' low
It's nothin' new ta me
Well you can always find
a place to go
If you can keep your sanity
They break down the doors
And they rape my rights but
They won't touch me
They scream and yell
And fight all night
You can't tell me
I lose my head
I close my eyes
They won't touch me
'Cause I got somethin'
I been buildin' up inside
For so fuckin' long

[CHORUS:]

They're out ta get me
They won't catch me
I'm innocent
They won't break me

Sometimes it's easy to forget where you're goin'
Sometimes it's harder to leave
And everytime you think you know just what you're doin'
That's when your troubles exceed
They push me in a corner
Just to get me to fight but
They won't touch me
They preach and yell
And fight all night
You can't tell me
I lose my head
I close my eyes
They won't touch me
'Cause I got somethin'
I been buildin' up inside
I'm already gone

[Chorus]

Some people got a chip on their shoulder
An some would say it was me
But I didn't buy that fifth of whisky
That you gave me
So I'd be quick to disagree

[Chorus]

They're out to get me
They won't catch me
I'm innocent
So you can
Suck me
Take that one to heart

TADA!

AMEN sister............ party on

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by media

and the problems that you do encounter are meaningless in the scheme of things and he follows through as fast as he can to make things right.

really? so when someone requests cute teen , girl next door content.. and he sends GOTH / BBW / HAIRY / PREGNANT / BALD content, its fine?

http://www.licensedcontent.com/

even though he showed me numerous samples of cute teen, girl next door content... and he claims to have told me exactly what he was sending me....

then why would he offer to refund the BALD sets??? nothing adds up...

i'll tell you what i honestly think, i think that if you are big and known in the industry, aaron will conduct business 110% professional, however if you are new he sees it as easy money and doesn't really give a fuck about the outcome because he knows his sheep will defend him against newbies...

but now i've said that i don't even WANT my 3600, nor would i accept it back... so i have NO reason to be LYING since i am not AFTER anything... so its bit him in the ass..

look at the original thread, it turned on him so he started this new thread so that people he knew would just jump in an defend him not knowing the story, why couldn't he have left it in that thread? because the people in that thread were educated about the situation and didn't side with him...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=470799

Amputate Your Head · 05-23-2005, 05:25 PM

well.... from what I understand after reading all this is, SoS, you already have the content, therefore he can't very well give you your money back now can he. And he shouldn't. It's kinda like buying a CD.... once you take it home and open it, refunds are not optional because you most likely already burned off a copy or two. Now... if you don't want a license for it, then what else is Aaron supposed to do for you?

And seriously..... you "assumed it was in Canadian currency"?
Come on.... that is just retarded. I'm gonna tell my mortgage lender or my car dealer or the fuckin' checkout girl at Walmart for that matter, that I thought the price was in Canadian currency.... yeah..... that'll fly. Aaron is not a Canadian business. There's no reason in the world for you to assume his prices are in Canadian dollars any more than you would assume they'd be in Mexican pesos.

Ice · 05-23-2005, 05:27 PM

Welcome Amp.... nice to have ya here brotha

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

well.... from what I understand after reading all this is, SoS, you already have the content, therefore he can't very well give you your money back now can he. And he shouldn't. It's kinda like buying a CD.... once you take it home and open it, refunds are not optional because you most likely already burned off a copy or two. Now... if you don't want a license for it, then what else is Aaron supposed to do for you?

And seriously..... you "assumed it was in Canadian currency"?
Come on.... that is just retarded. I'm gonna tell my mortgage lender or my car dealer or the fuckin' checkout girl at Walmart for that matter, that I thought the price was in Canadian currency.... yeah..... that'll fly. Aaron is not a Canadian business. There's no reason in the world for you to assume his prices are in Canadian dollars any more than you would assume they'd be in Mexican pesos.

the currency issue was not a problem and was solved RIGHT away, and everything was cool , and then a MONTH later when the content arrived THATS when the problems started

Juicy D. Links · 05-23-2005, 05:31 PM

from my POV , Aaron had every right to do what he did. I am not just saying this cause me and Aaron have sex all the time.

AaronM · 05-23-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bu((aneer

dont you have a woman to go and beat somewhere?

He didn't beat anybody. This is the problem with people...They believe what they want to believe and discard the facts.

Yes, he fucked up with her but he never beat her.

Troll elsewhere.

Ice · 05-23-2005, 05:43 PM

I guess mommie has taken internet access away from sonofsam.......

myjah · 05-23-2005, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by iceicebaby

I guess mommie has taken internet access away from sonofsam.......

Nope, I think he was busy playing in the webmaster poker tourney.

AaronM · 05-23-2005, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myjah

Nope, I think he was busy playing in the webmaster poker tourney.

It must be nice to have money to gamble when you can't even pay your small debts.

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

It must be nice to have money to gamble when you can't even pay your small debts.

i don't have any debts you loser.

and for your information, it was a free tourney, ass.

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by iceicebaby

I guess mommie has taken internet access away from sonofsam.......

talk shit if you like, but i've been supporting myself and living on my own since age 16.. but thanks for coming out

jayeff · 05-23-2005, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

what i wanted was for people to see how he conducts business

You think people don't already know? Do you know another content producer who is a big enough clown, to announce on here that he has blocked from his site the IP's of all the GFY visitors he doesn't want to work with?

Think about it. Of all the people you could have bought good, reasonably priced content from, why did you pick him in the first place? Can you honestly say it had nothing to do with his high profile here? But he didn't get that by selling the best content or offering the best prices. He has it because his board persona is that of an arrogant asshole.

Which is the point. All your posts have done - particularly since you made it clear this was all you planned to do - is give him lots of chances to score more points with those who are impressed by such behavior. Especially now his cheerleaders have joined in, the effect of keeping this going is most likely to be the opposite of what you wanted.

xlogger · 05-23-2005, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Sonofsam: A Timeline of self destruction

1) enters Adult industry
2) Is lent a hand by a respectable cams company in respect to models.
3) Has blow out with camera company in respect to model.
4) Has blow out with Steve Lightspeed about said model.
5) Has blow out with AaronM about content.
6) Is joined on the bandwagon by AlienQ, general-know-it-all.

Did I sum it up?

I think him and I entred the adult industry around the same time. Look at all the trobble he is getting himself in to? Damn!

I learned to trust NOONE and 1st day i got in this industry. I guess it took him about 6 months.

Hope everything goes well. My advise it to make your own traffic, work by yourself and trust noone other than yourself. We are all in to make $, not friends. Simple.

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 06:00 PM

jayeff: actually right after he found out i had made a settlement as to my first solo girl that i sold, he called me and made it sound like a golden oppertunity.. and i fell for it, and i admit... it was my stupidity that i fell for his "amazing deal"

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xlogger

I think him and I entred the adult industry around the same time. Look at all the trobble he is getting himself in to? Damn!

I learned to trust NOONE and 1st day i got in this industry. I guess it took him about 6 months.

Hope everything goes well. My advise it to make your own traffic, work by yourself and trust noone other than yourself. We are all in to make $, not friends. Simple.

i have already moved on and have my own exclusive solo site, this is just a side annoyance...

Ice · 05-23-2005, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

talk shit if you like, but i've been supporting myself and living on my own since age 16.. but thanks for coming out

same here.... wanna play with me too when Aaron is kickin your ass? My parents kicked me out at 16 and I have supported myself ...... I don't think that is special but if you wanna badge for it I can make one for you

sonofsam · 05-23-2005, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iceicebaby

same here.... wanna play with me too when Aaron is kickin your ass? My parents kicked me out at 16 and I have supported myself ...... I don't think that is special but if you wanna badge for it I can make one for you

all i ask is that you don't make stupid remarks like "did mommy take your internet away"

play with you too when aaron is kicking my ass? please spare me the cyber-fist fights

baddog · 05-23-2005, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ContentProducer

Sonofsam even offered to let AaronM keep $500 for his trouble when he wanted to return the content. AaronM put sonofsam on ignore on ICQ and would not talk to him on the phone. And you people wonder why sonofsam took it to gfy. He ICQ'd me trying to figure out a way that he could get this resolved without going public with it. He had no choice to take it to GFY and he is out $3,600. So basically AaronM is feeding his fat face with Sonofsams money and laughing about it. How fucking pathetic.

So you are the one giving him his brilliant legal advice?

You should stick to whatever it is you do, as I am of the opinion that this is going to get worse before it gets better with his current approach.

xlogger · 05-23-2005, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tical

that was... "cold blooded" haha

HAHAHAA that was coooooooolllllllldddddd blooooodeddddd, BANG BANG!

God damn i love that show! Remember how he calls the dudes "darkness" hahaha

Ice · 05-23-2005, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

all i ask is that you don't make stupid remarks like "did mommy take your internet away"

play with you too when aaron is kicking my ass? please spare me the cyber-fist fights

I'm not in the mood .... blow me cry baby

fireorange · 05-23-2005, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bu((aneer

dont you have a woman to go and beat somewhere?

Has there been a thread about that since he came back on GFY?

AaronM · 05-23-2005, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

.....Of course, he will lie again and downplay everything I have done for him because that's the kind of ingrate that he is.

God damn....Did I hit the nail on the head with that one or what?

If anybody is interested in the truth....When sonofsam settled his financial issue, I contacted him and knocked the price down $500 from the original price he had already agreed to and made at least his first payment on.

While I'm not responding to things... LOL...I will also add that the comment about a bait and switch is pure bullshit. sonofsam bought a BULK PACKAGE BUY ALL from me. What fucking part of that do you idiots not comprehend? HE BOUGHT IT ALL! WTF am I going to switch it with? Everything I have = everything I have where I come from.

Hey Mike. I will say this to you again. Shut the fuck up. You are only digging your hole deeper. Several of my current and past clients have posted in this thread and backed me up. Big clients and small clients alike. That kinda blows your theory out of the water about me treating others differently.

bu((aneer · 05-23-2005, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

He didn't beat anybody. This is the problem with people...They believe what they want to believe and discard the facts.

Yes, he fucked up with her but he never beat her.

Troll elsewhere.

I wanst even fucking talking to you, but since you brought it up.

you=delinquent

give the kid his money back!

Tam · 05-23-2005, 06:10 PM

You know? I have been reading this thread almost all evening and I have a few points to point out here, if I may?

I have worked extremely close with MANY MANY of the content producers, resellers and just all around providers, so I think I have learned a thing or two about it. I have SEEN people get ripped off on content....... and in my opinion THIS is not one of those cases, as far as I can tell, and I have been following this for quite sometime now. ANY content producer, reseller or anyone dealing in content knows their rights, and ANY of you can attest that you can pull a license for just about any reason you see fit if you so choose to do so...... and I have SEEN many of you DO it..... even if it was paid in FULL, you can STILL pull that license anytime, so this shouldn't even be an issue on this... and ALL of you that deal in content know this as well as I do. I don't hold any issues for ANYONE in this, but all of you know it. Buyers of content, don't think because you bought that content that you are not going to be held accountable if it isn't used, because a Content Provider can yank that license at ANY given time if you break the terms of that license or you are misusing that content. Paid or NOT!

First off, I have done business very closely with Aaron for many years now, and I have to say, that he's really gone out of his way on this one. He takes people in sometimes and tries to give them a break, and yes he is harsh as hell at points, but WHO doesn't know this about him already? NO ONE, everyone knows how he is, he is straight up about everything and makes NO bones about a damn thing. And YES, he does get extremely harsh sometimes...... but again everyone knows this. BUT this doesn't make him a bad business man at all...... if you know this and still walk into a business deal, then you walk in knowing what you are getting. I have spent time with him and lord knows he has hurt MY feelings more times than I can count, but you know what? I asked for it each and every single time, I knew when I went to him he was going to shoot me straight, and I respect that in him, way more than I'd respect someone to just tell me what I WANT to hear.

Sonofsam, I don't know you at ALL, so I can't really make an honest opinion on your personality..... what I CAN say is that from where I can see, you got yourself in way over your head and you want out of it....... but you know what? When you have a car repossessed? You don't get to go tell the bank you want all the money you psent on it back. You entered into an agreement and couldn't pay the full amount so it was repossessed...... bottom line. I know it sucks, Ih ave had things repossessed myself at times and it hurts, but you don't get to get a refund.

Last, I see so many saying "he is a kid, cut him some slack", and I think of all of it, this is the one that is urking me the WORST. This is the ADULT Industry and it is BUSINESS, people...... if you are old enough to BE in the business and old enough to make business decisions, then you have to be old enough to accept the consequences when that business goes bad, trust me, I know..... I have had lots of deals go bad and I probably will again....... it happens to the best of us sometimes. But you don't get to say that "I shouldn't have to be responsible because I am a woman, a kid, handicapped, or anything else....." if you are of legal consenting age, then you have GOT to be prepared to deal with things when they don't work as well as the things that DO work.

When my kids screw up, they are held accountable for their actions and taught that for every action, there is a reaction.... and that is the same thing I am telling you here.

This CAN be resolved, I would be willing to bet, but the two of you need to get OFF this board and resolve it outside of this board. Involving other people is only serving to perpetuate this situation and others are putting their 2 cents in and making things that much worse. Aaron is a fair ghuy, as I can only assume that sonofsam is as well..... so this CAN be dealt with as adults.

NOTHING ever works out when you get others involved in it.... I have had my say in this. You are both adults and the ones here reading this thread aren't the only ones watching how you conduct yourselves in business, just remember that. Are you willing to burn THAT many bridges?

Ice · 05-23-2005, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fireorange

Has there been a thread about that since he came back on GFY?

No there hasen't and I did not beat her as Aaron has stated. Aaron knows both of us better then most people on gfy. I will NOT bring personal issues to gfy anymore.... If you want to do business .... fine... but my personal life is private. If all you want to do is prod me on then I will not respond. The people that know what happened are the ones I care about and will listen too...

I will not add to GFY drama when it's not necessary

baddog · 05-23-2005, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jayeff

Exactly. And beginning the first post of this thread by repeating "The kid..." over and over, illustrates the point perfectly.

Nowhere has Aaron claimed that he did deliver what was ordered: by his own version of events he delivered what he felt like delivering and presumably expected SoS to suck it up. Everything else is just misdirection.

He got everything except the license because he never sent the entire payment due. What would you have done?

05-23-2005, 04:59 PM	#56
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	btw, i forwarded the thread to lightspeed so he can respond __________________ I like turtles.

05-23-2005, 05:00 PM	#58
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	btw, read more about the actual situation here http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=470799 __________________ I like turtles.

05-23-2005, 05:01 PM	#59
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	and for the record, i DID try and deal with this off the board... its not my fault that Aaron blocked me on ICQ and stopped answering his Phone. its not hard to see he lives for board drama, so thats why he brought it to the boards. __________________ I like turtles.

05-23-2005, 05:07 PM	#63
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	jayeff: i'm not after my 3600 bucks... http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=470799 i posted in here that i'm not trying to get it back, nor will i accept it back... to prove i have nothing to gain by lying... what i wanted was for people to see how he conducts business __________________ I like turtles.

05-23-2005, 05:09 PM	#64
nofx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Virgin Mary's womb Posts: 16,826	sonofsam is a good guy. I find it fucked up that so many people like to take advantage of others on GFY. __________________ Often times I wonder why There's love and hate, theres live or die. When sickness comes I must decide: When feelings go, theres suicide.

05-23-2005, 04:51 PM	#51
wjxxx So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,448	interesting reading

05-23-2005, 05:04 PM	#61
teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	Aaron pulled a bait an switch on this kid, and quite frankly as the business operator, should have had all in writing. Any judge that would see this case, and first question would say, how long you been in business Aaron?, Oh, and you dont have a contract? He fucked a kid out of his life savings and spit on him on top of it.. On top of that, He kept his money and gave him nothing, That is pure fraud. And on top of that you threatened him with ficticious law suits. That is also illegal, Can't say I've seen Aaron do anything right but look like a complete ass... Sorry you don't get to keep the money and him get nothing. Right there is proof in my eyes your a low life.

05-23-2005, 05:15 PM	#69
media Confirmed Moneymaker Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Eugene, OR It's Like Jail, Only with Trees! Posts: 9,852	I have dealt with AaronM on many occasions, The guy is a class act.. Though he may be slow at times (circumstances come up) he has fulfilled his end of the bargain, There are those impatient people who want to make shit up and try to ruin peoples reputations when someone does not get them something as fast as they would like so they come crying to the board.. I gave Aaron my opinion on this whole matter, Though him and I had some different views I think we ultimately agree on most aspects of this matter. For those who have or had plans to deal with AaronM I would say that 99.99% of the time it will be a problem free deal.. and the problems that you do encounter are meaningless in the scheme of things and he follows through as fast as he can to make things right. __________________ I'm here for the violence!

05-23-2005, 05:25 PM	#76
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	well.... from what I understand after reading all this is, SoS, you already have the content, therefore he can't very well give you your money back now can he. And he shouldn't. It's kinda like buying a CD.... once you take it home and open it, refunds are not optional because you most likely already burned off a copy or two. Now... if you don't want a license for it, then what else is Aaron supposed to do for you? And seriously..... you "assumed it was in Canadian currency"? Come on.... that is just retarded. I'm gonna tell my mortgage lender or my car dealer or the fuckin' checkout girl at Walmart for that matter, that I thought the price was in Canadian currency.... yeah..... that'll fly. Aaron is not a Canadian business. There's no reason in the world for you to assume his prices are in Canadian dollars any more than you would assume they'd be in Mexican pesos. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

05-23-2005, 05:27 PM	#77
Ice Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny California Posts: 26,053	Welcome Amp.... nice to have ya here brotha __________________ icq 1904905

05-23-2005, 05:31 PM	#79
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	from my POV , Aaron had every right to do what he did. I am not just saying this cause me and Aaron have sex all the time.

05-23-2005, 05:43 PM	#81
Ice Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny California Posts: 26,053	I guess mommie has taken internet access away from sonofsam....... __________________ icq 1904905

05-23-2005, 06:00 PM	#88
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	jayeff: actually right after he found out i had made a settlement as to my first solo girl that i sold, he called me and made it sound like a golden oppertunity.. and i fell for it, and i admit... it was my stupidity that i fell for his "amazing deal" __________________ I like turtles.

05-23-2005, 06:10 PM	#98
Tam Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In your face Posts: 8,488	You know? I have been reading this thread almost all evening and I have a few points to point out here, if I may? I have worked extremely close with MANY MANY of the content producers, resellers and just all around providers, so I think I have learned a thing or two about it. I have SEEN people get ripped off on content....... and in my opinion THIS is not one of those cases, as far as I can tell, and I have been following this for quite sometime now. ANY content producer, reseller or anyone dealing in content knows their rights, and ANY of you can attest that you can pull a license for just about any reason you see fit if you so choose to do so...... and I have SEEN many of you DO it..... even if it was paid in FULL, you can STILL pull that license anytime, so this shouldn't even be an issue on this... and ALL of you that deal in content know this as well as I do. I don't hold any issues for ANYONE in this, but all of you know it. Buyers of content, don't think because you bought that content that you are not going to be held accountable if it isn't used, because a Content Provider can yank that license at ANY given time if you break the terms of that license or you are misusing that content. Paid or NOT! First off, I have done business very closely with Aaron for many years now, and I have to say, that he's really gone out of his way on this one. He takes people in sometimes and tries to give them a break, and yes he is harsh as hell at points, but WHO doesn't know this about him already? NO ONE, everyone knows how he is, he is straight up about everything and makes NO bones about a damn thing. And YES, he does get extremely harsh sometimes...... but again everyone knows this. BUT this doesn't make him a bad business man at all...... if you know this and still walk into a business deal, then you walk in knowing what you are getting. I have spent time with him and lord knows he has hurt MY feelings more times than I can count, but you know what? I asked for it each and every single time, I knew when I went to him he was going to shoot me straight, and I respect that in him, way more than I'd respect someone to just tell me what I WANT to hear. Sonofsam, I don't know you at ALL, so I can't really make an honest opinion on your personality..... what I CAN say is that from where I can see, you got yourself in way over your head and you want out of it....... but you know what? When you have a car repossessed? You don't get to go tell the bank you want all the money you psent on it back. You entered into an agreement and couldn't pay the full amount so it was repossessed...... bottom line. I know it sucks, Ih ave had things repossessed myself at times and it hurts, but you don't get to get a refund. Last, I see so many saying "he is a kid, cut him some slack", and I think of all of it, this is the one that is urking me the WORST. This is the ADULT Industry and it is BUSINESS, people...... if you are old enough to BE in the business and old enough to make business decisions, then you have to be old enough to accept the consequences when that business goes bad, trust me, I know..... I have had lots of deals go bad and I probably will again....... it happens to the best of us sometimes. But you don't get to say that "I shouldn't have to be responsible because I am a woman, a kid, handicapped, or anything else....." if you are of legal consenting age, then you have GOT to be prepared to deal with things when they don't work as well as the things that DO work. When my kids screw up, they are held accountable for their actions and taught that for every action, there is a reaction.... and that is the same thing I am telling you here. This CAN be resolved, I would be willing to bet, but the two of you need to get OFF this board and resolve it outside of this board. Involving other people is only serving to perpetuate this situation and others are putting their 2 cents in and making things that much worse. Aaron is a fair ghuy, as I can only assume that sonofsam is as well..... so this CAN be dealt with as adults. NOTHING ever works out when you get others involved in it.... I have had my say in this. You are both adults and the ones here reading this thread aren't the only ones watching how you conduct yourselves in business, just remember that. Are you willing to burn THAT many bridges?