What do you guys think of this redesign? No ads

[Rick Latona]

[Trax]

looks nice
if it won't load toooo long it would fit... make a version with ads though to judge how well it really looks...

[triumph]

looks good, but what about the ads?

[SetTheWorldonFire]

looks good

[MarcWomack]

Yeah, again, this is a work in progress. But the point here is that we're doing a MAJOR reduction of the number of ad spots on CJ and we're playing w/ not having any adds at all on the home page.

[brand0n]

i think it looks sharp

a top banner spot would be hot

and ofcourse a link to weed.com on 4/20 when i drop the new layout over there would be pretty fucking sexy as well

[Rick Latona]

Time to stop whorring the site out and get back to the roots.

[RichCashOmar]

Looks good

[MarcWomack]

Here's a few more peeks:

http://www.cjtraffic.com/anwar/recen...list-view.html

http://www.cjtraffic.com/anwar/recen...pics-view.html

http://www.cjtraffic.com/anwar/recen...ideo-list.html

http://www.cjtraffic.com/anwar/recen...ideo-view.html

Again, work in progress!!!

[Tim]

Smart

[KMR Stitch]

I love the new layout..

I can still remember the very first one you guys did..

[Rick Latona]

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

I love the new layout..

I can still remember the very first one you guys did..

Yeah, this is verson 4. Always a nervous experiment.

[PrivateIvy]

Originally Posted by Rick Latona

Time to stop whorring the site out and get back to the roots.

That can sometimes be a very wise thing


Ivy

[Cassie]

i like the darker colors. the text stands out more.

[Rick Latona]

Originally Posted by PrivateIvy

That can sometimes be a very wise thing


Ivy

Yeah, we need to protect the brand so it'll be around for a long time to come.

[CynthiaB]

I know I'm kinda new around here, but writing for the web is what I do so I hope it's okay to throw in my six cents (inflation). Love the look and the colors, but if the page at the top of this thread is the home page - that's a lot of text for a home page. Well, actually, it's the combo of the text and the graphics - not just from a loading perspective but just from a "wow all this stuff to read" view.

Though I gotta say, blogs have changed the way people read on the web. Used to be you couldn't get anyone to read more than a paragraph per page but that seems to be changeing...so that's my 'for what it's worth'.

Cyn

[AkiraSS]

I like it!
Maybe the left column in too blurred tho.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by CynthiaB

I know I'm kinda new around here, but writing for the web is what I do so I hope it's okay to throw in my six cents (inflation). Love the look and the colors, but if the page at the top of this thread is the home page - that's a lot of text for a home page. Well, actually, it's the combo of the text and the graphics - not just from a loading perspective but just from a "wow all this stuff to read" view.

Though I gotta say, blogs have changed the way people read on the web. Used to be you couldn't get anyone to read more than a paragraph per page but that seems to be changeing...so that's my 'for what it's worth'.

Cyn

you have never been to CJ have you? go to www.consumptionjunction.com and look at what they have now...their readers love the front page editorials..

that being said..

cj guys, i fucking love it...i think it looks awesome..

[Varius]

I'm usually not pleased by many site designs, but I really like this one!

Fits the style of your site well, and I love the cartoony header section.

I like it way more than the current one, Good job

[Rick Latona]

Originally Posted by CynthiaB

I know I'm kinda new around here, but writing for the web is what I do so I hope it's okay to throw in my six cents (inflation). Love the look and the colors, but if the page at the top of this thread is the home page - that's a lot of text for a home page. Well, actually, it's the combo of the text and the graphics - not just from a loading perspective but just from a "wow all this stuff to read" view.

Though I gotta say, blogs have changed the way people read on the web. Used to be you couldn't get anyone to read more than a paragraph per page but that seems to be changeing...so that's my 'for what it's worth'.

Cyn

That is definately one of the longer editorials.

[JamesK2]

Stay with the old one.

[warlock5]

I think your hitting the nail on the head as far as branding with the redesign! My only complaint would be that the stencil font on the left navigation menu seems a little too squished.

Thats a bold approach to cut down on the ads, especially on the front page. Most people do the opposite, start the site with few or no ads and then once the traffic builds up they fill the page until you can't see anything else (about.com, stile <choke>.) Minimizing the ads definately keeps surfers happy..

[Dalai lama]

Looking good Rick

[Martin]

I like what buddy wrote.

[grand]

too dark IMHO

[WiredGuy]

I really like the layout, sharp and easy on the eyes without many distractions.
WG

[MandyBlake]

looks great rick!

[Rick Latona]

Originally Posted by warlock5

I think your hitting the nail on the head as far as branding with the redesign! My only complaint would be that the stencil font on the left navigation menu seems a little too squished.

Thats a bold approach to cut down on the ads, especially on the front page. Most people do the opposite, start the site with few or no ads and then once the traffic builds up they fill the page until you can't see anything else (about.com, stile <choke>.) Minimizing the ads definately keeps surfers happy..

I think you are right about working a little more on the left side.

[fris]

Originally Posted by Rick Latona

Time to stop whorring the site out and get back to the roots.

ya cause when people pay for ads and you see them doing well on them then you switching the afil code to your own and not refunding them isnt really a good business practice

[pornguy]

Looks nice. I like it clean like that.

[Rick Latona]

Originally Posted by fris

ya cause when people pay for ads and you see them doing well on them then you switching the afil code to your own and not refunding them isnt really a good business practice

I don't have a clue what you are talking about and we would never do what you are accusing here. I guarantee you that I am going to find out from my people their side of the story on whoever the hell you are.

[cool1]

I think the new design look great.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

I've never visited your site before...

A quick first look comparison is that your new design is much better, however I would suggest including a few eye candy pix to hook surfers right away, and also make the paragraphs smaller (more paragraph breaks - easier on the eye, and it makes people more inclined to read, and keep reading).

ADG Webmaster

[slipkid]

I like it. Simple, easy, and to the point.

[Rick Latona]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I've never visited your site before...

A quick first look comparison is that your new design is much better, however I would suggest including a few eye candy pix to hook surfers right away, and also make the paragraphs smaller (more paragraph breaks - easier on the eye, and it makes people more inclined to read, and keep reading).

ADG Webmaster

I think we've hooked a few surfers. Our goal now is to keep the 1.2 million a day we already have.

[fris]

Originally Posted by Rick Latona

I don't have a clue what you are talking about and we would never do what you are accusing here. I guarantee you that I am going to find out from my people their side of the story on whoever the hell you are.

ya, its happened all right, you can "look into it"

[MarcWomack]

It most certainly did not. You, sir are full of shit. I can say this while I'm still researching trying to figure out who you are because I KNOW this couldn't have happened. We have NEVER done anything like that. I REALLY try not to lose my temper but your cowardly little accusations are the most offensive thing I have ever experienced. I have BUSTED my ass to build a solid reputation as a straight-up businessman since I started this site in April of 1999.

If you are an unhappy customer why not, just for shits and giggles, talk to me? I'm the person you would have bought from since I handle all the sales. It's not like I'm hard to get in touch with. I have the longest signature on earth because it contains every way known to man to reach me:

Marc Womack
Chief Operating Officer
www.CJTRAFFIC.com

404.808.3187 (mobile)
404.759.2731 (fax)
AIM: marcwomack
ICQ: 64425641
MSN Messenger: [email protected]
Yahoo Messenger: marcfromCJ
Skype: marcwomack
[email protected]

So if you've got a problem I'm certain that you could have gotten in touch with me if you'd chosen to. Instead, you make a post like that? Let me ask you something? If we were the shady fuckers you accuse us of being would we still have a client list like this:

4cfnm
AdultActionCam
AdultCheck
AdultFriendFinder
AdultPayMaster
AdultSky
AEBN
AllBlondePics
AmateurAllure
AmateurCreamPies
AwesomeAshley
Belmont
Big Hitters
BigBoobLinks
BikiniBanger
BizarreCamGirls
BlueLight
BoyGirlBang
BrutalDildos
Buck4aFuck
CaliSexLive
CamClub24
CamMatrix
CatalinaCruz
CDSmith
chicktrainer.com
Clips4Sale
DigitalDevil
DirtyDanza
DirtyDirector
dollars4babes
DukeDollars
DVD Empire
DXMachine
Electronic-Group
EpornClips
ExplicitVoyeurs
Fantasymatch
FasterBucks
FatPayChecks
Fleshlight
FreeAdultSexDates
FreeAdultsLinks
FreeOnes
FS4A
GetKongNow
Gleemonized
GorillaNation
Guba
Hardcore-X-Movies
Heavy
HerbalO
HHInternet
HotWifeRio
HPIC
Imarket
IncestCartoons
Incomps
InterMax
Intermeds
Inubix
Jokaroo
KellyMadison
LandofVenus
LiveJasmin
LiveJasmin
MainstreamDollars
MakeBling
MarianDesign
MCM Enterprises
MeatCash
Meatholes.com
MicaWest
MNMMarketing
MP3DownloadHQ
MyFreePaySite
MyPrivateToyBox
NaughtyAllie
NaughtyAtHome
NaughtyHolly
NetMark
NetVia
NextDoorCash
NicheWealth
OCCash
OnlineGreek
PacificVentures
PartyPoker
Pecain
PerfectGonzo
PersonalCLips
PillsReview
PimpPorn
PornDollar
POV Porn
ProjectVoyeur
QuickBuck
RainMaker Ventures
SexOnTheSide
SexSearch
ShemaleClub
Signup4Cash
SirRodney
SleazyBeaver
Southern-Charms
Special Ops Media
StarshipTitus
Streamray
Sweet Entertainment
thebestporn.com
the-female-orgasm
TLAVideo
TotemCash
TrafficCashGold
USAMinutes
Velvet Ecstasy
VideoPass
VideoPass
VigRX
Vortex
WankTool
WebTalent
WifeysWorld
XXXContentDirect
xxxposedentertainment.com

Let me be very clear on this. You are a coward. I VERY seriously doubt you'll have the balls to continue this mockery. But I IMPLORE you to try. Please, enlighten everyone here to what horrible people we are. Bring your proof. TRY and back up your claims. I keep records like the IRS. I've got every email from and to every customer we've ever had. Same for IM conversations. Give me a little to go on and I'll DAMN sure show you and EVERYONE here how full of shit you truly are!

[Gateway69]

oh my, posting shit like that accusation is really fucking lame unless you have proof, and you know what if something did happen dont air fucking dirty ass laundry here in a public form.. if you got a beef with someone call them up, email them let them know but to post it in public thats just no class

[MarcWomack]

Sorry to let this guy hijack what was a very helpful and productive thread for me. I'm doing the redesign on CJ and I REALLY appreciate all the input. Once I put this guy down, please continue.

Anway, I found the only contact I've ever had w/ this guy. He talked to me about buying ads. Chat transcript below. Again sorry for providing so much info but I take accusations like that VERY seriously. Also, if you don't feel like reading the whole thing, PLEASE scroll to the bottom for the transcript of the conversation I just had with him.

Long story short, the guy says we fucked over a "buddy" of his but he can't provide any proofs, any facts, nothing. I've invited him to have his "buddy" post his claims here in a public forum. We'll see if he has the balls.

So, here's my only contact w/ this Fris character:

Session Start (marcwomack:fris DOT net): Fri Apr 09 06:35:23 2004
fris DOT net: hi
marcwomack: hello
fris DOT net: i saw your post on gfy about traffic
marcwomack: right on, what site(s) are you looking to promote?
fris DOT net: just my tgp
marcwomack: what's the URL?
fris DOT net: gagmovies.com
marcwomack: hmm, maybe my connection here, but loading very slowly w/ broken images
fris DOT net: hrmm i dont see any broken images
marcwomack: yeah, I refreshed and it came up fine
marcwomack: I'm down in Panama right now setting up a new programming/design company. we're using this city-wide wi-fi wireless connection
fris DOT net: ahh
fris DOT net: my friend just setup the wifi for via rail canada on the trains
marcwomack: kewl. well, there's a lot of options for advertising. What kind of a budget are you looking at?
fris DOT net: well i wanted to just start out at the 10,000 hits see what kind of conversions i get see if i want to buy more
marcwomack: prefer banners or text links?
fris DOT net: what converts the best?
marcwomack: no real difference. so long as the banners you supply match you site
fris DOT net: or would it be better to use a sponsor for 10,000 hits is that what prople normally do like topbucks?
marcwomack: no, we won't sell you ads to promote other programs. you won't be able to make a profit that way
fris DOT net: cause i thoughts that what the deal was on the cjtraffic page you place your sponsor on the page
marcwomack: no, site owners buy my traffic
marcwomack: our pricing is based on what we can make as affiliates
marcwomack: but we get higher payouts than your average joe and we know our traffic better than anyone
marcwomack: so you wouldn't be able to make a profit buying ad spots just to send to sponsor Session Close (fris DOT net): Fri Apr 09 15:36:24 2004


Session Start (marcwomack:frisDOTnet): Sun Apr 25 11:29:07 2004
frisDOTnet: msg me when u are around about the servers we have a cage up in toronto
*** Auto-response sent to frisDOTnet: I am currently away from the computer.
Session Close (frisDOTnet): Sun Apr 25 21:27:04 2004

Session Start (marcwomack:frisDOTnet): Thu Jul 29 12:17:11 2004
frisDOTnet: hi
marcwomack: yo
Session Close (frisDOTnet): Thu Jul 29 12:17:49 2004


Session Start (marcwomack:frisDOTnet): Thu Jul 29 12:17:56 2004
frisDOTnet: whatsup
frisDOTnet: if you are busy i can contact you later?
marcwomack: no, now is fine
marcwomack: I'm always busy
marcwomack: what can I do for ya?
frisDOTnet: i wanna get some advetising
marcwomack: where you wanna send the traffic?
frisDOTnet: can i send the traffic to a program?
marcwomack: depends
marcwomack: which program?
marcwomack: not to one of the ones that we're hitting heavily
frisDOTnet: traffic cash gold please bang my wife?
marcwomack: nope, sorry bro, that's top of the no-no list.
marcwomack: we're absofuckinglutely KILLING it with traffic cash gold
marcwomack: we just took a huge pre-pay deal from them
marcwomack: them, silvercash, platinumbucks, dollarmachine, and topbucks are off limits
frisDOTnet: ahh ok
marcwomack: honestly bro, as much as I'd love to do more sales money, it just doesn't make sense to buy from us to send to a program
marcwomack: all our pricing is based on what we can do by doing that
marcwomack: problem is the guy that handles that in our company has been doing it for 3 years. Our payouts are prolly higher than what you would get and he knows our traffic better than anyone on the planet
marcwomack: it's DAMN hard to make a profit at my pricing by sending to the programs
frisDOTnet: well what should i be doing with the traffic? sending it to my paysite?
marcwomack: the programs are the ones buying b/c they can make more money off the traffic than they'd pay us on as an affiliate
marcwomack: absolutely
frisDOTnet: how does the text links convert?
marcwomack: same as any other spot
marcwomack: seriously, that' s the cool thing about my ad spots
marcwomack: they all convert the same
frisDOTnet: well i dont know your conversions
marcwomack: all depends on where you're sending it
frisDOTnet: my bros gfs paysite naughtyjenn amateur site
marcwomack: our metric is 1/500. if we send 10K clicks to a site and it does 1/501 then we stop sending it
marcwomack: amateur does very well for us
marcwomack: wifeysworld.com, karadavis.com, naughtyathome.com
marcwomack: naughtyallie.com
marcwomack: cathyscraving.com
frisDOTnet: i just wanna know if i will make my money back or am i gonna lose it
marcwomack: what's the url
frisDOTnet: (Link: http://www.naughtyjenn.com)www.naughtyjenn.com
marcwomack: hmm
marcwomack: hot chick
marcwomack: looks like good amateur site
marcwomack: tours is a bit week
marcwomack: no sample vids
marcwomack: if you could get those 3 thumbs of vids to link to 30 second vid clips, then you'd do pretty well
marcwomack: I'd do video sponsorships with this type of content
marcwomack: instead of banners or text links
marcwomack: (Link: http://www.cjtraffic.com/ad_vids.htm...m/ad_vids.html
frisDOTnet: little bit out of my price range
frisDOTnet: can you send traffic to a gallery?
marcwomack: yes
marcwomack: but I don't have pricing on it right now
marcwomack: We base all our pricing on how many clicks the spot generated the month before. But this month we made a huge change and probably tripled the traffic going to our TGP sections. So I have to wait until the end of the month to figure out the pricing. The pricing usually averages out to around 1.25 cents a click to the gallery
frisDOTnet: wouldnt it be just a text link say on steakdandcheese then link that to the gallery?
marcwomack: ah
marcwomack: haven't ever tried that
marcwomack: thought you meant in our TGP section
marcwomack: I've got some relatively inexpensive text link spots
marcwomack: what kind of budget were you looking at?
frisDOTnet: well what do you have?
marcwomack: 2 weeks of Rotating Text Links on CJ for $1600
frisDOTnet: thats not inexpensive
marcwomack: is by our standards
marcwomack: minimum to do anything is $1000
frisDOTnet: it says 300$ for text link on steak and cheese
marcwomack: yes, so you'd have to buy 4 weeks as minimum dude don't forget, I'm pricing this for what we can make off it. if the deal is less than $1000, it's just not worth the time
frisDOTnet: i think i will wait then
marcwomack: understood man. I know we're expensive.
Session Close (frisDOTnet): Thu Jul 29 13:39:25 2004



Session Start (marcwomack:frisDOTnet): Thu Dec 23 16:33:04 2004
frisDOTnet: can you only buy 1 week of text links? or do you have to buy more than 1 week
marcwomack: no, plenty, week is just the shortest increment I sell
frisDOTnet: so i can buy a week now?
frisDOTnet: i run a lesbian blog and have been looking for the right converting traffic and no one has been able to help me out
marcwomack: by now do you mean to run this week?
marcwomack: I'd steer clear of that b/c of the holidays
marcwomack: but yeah, you can buy now to reserve early January
frisDOTnet: well ya i meant i would like to try it a week i dont want to buy a month if its not goin gto work
marcwomack: yeah, no worries, what's the URL of the site?
frisDOTnet: how welld o you think it will convert my site is (Link: http://www.richsnob.com)www.richsnob.com
marcwomack: hmm
marcwomack: you'd need to get a lot of bookmarkers
frisDOTnet: ya
marcwomack: well, the challenge is we'd have to come up w/ at least 2K worth of ads. I won't do a campaign for less than 2K
frisDOTnet: ya i was just looking at a week of text ads not something like 2k
marcwomack: yeah, that's prolly gonna kill it. It's just that we sell them for what we can make by sending to the affiliate programs. so for us it's not worth it unless it's at least 2K
frisDOTnet: ahh ok
marcwomack:
Session Close (frisDOTnet): Thu Dec 23 16:48:44 2004

My conversation w/ him tonight is in the next post. I exceeded the 10K character limit GFY allows in one post.

[MarcWomack]

Now, here's my chat log w/ the guy tonight:

Session Start (64425641:fris): Wed Mar 16 22:17:59 2005
consumptionjunction: hey there chief, what's w/ all the static on GFY?
fris: which monkey from cj is this?
consumptionjunction: The founder, Marc
consumptionjunction: Man, I don't know what your problem is, but I'm have NO idea where you're coming from. Perhaps you could enlighten me?
fris: so people have good campaigns running you see them doing kick ass. you dont like them making money so you switch their linking codes with yours.
consumptionjunction: Yeah, I understood the accusation. Of course it's bullshit. What I want to know is where the you get this idea?
consumptionjunction: I've searched high and low. I can't see that you've ever bought a campaign from us.
consumptionjunction: I do see we discussed some things a few months ago
fris: a friend bought an add an its happen twice. and was not refunded even tho he was said to be
consumptionjunction: Oh, a friend. So you make accusations without personal experience. Smart. And I guess you wouldn't be willing to let me know who this friend is so I could confront him/her about the lies he/she is spreading?
fris: he buys from gts, cybercat and you. but made me think why not to trust you
consumptionjunction: No man, you've gone way further than not trusting us
consumptionjunction: lets concentrate on your for a second.
consumptionjunction: Frankly, I'm pissed as fuck at you. I'm reviewing our IM logs about you possibly buying ads a long time ago
consumptionjunction: I was straight up with you then.
consumptionjunction: I even told you "so you wouldn't be able to make a profit buying ad spots just to send to sponsor programs "
fris: yes and i have known this guy for years he has no reason to lie
consumptionjunction: I actually turned down your business because I didn't think you'd make a profit
fris: he was actually making money on his ad when you switched his linking code
consumptionjunction: Now regardless of how long you've known this other person, you SHOULD NOT go around making accusations like that without knowing first-hand what you're talking about.
consumptionjunction: I seriously doubt we'll ever agree on that point so lets move on to your friend. I'm fairly certain you know my opinion of you and your accusations and how you conduct yourself.
fris: i am not accusing i am just saying facts
consumptionjunction: What facts?
consumptionjunction: what proof?
consumptionjunction: PLEASE
consumptionjunction: tell me, show me.
fris: that you like to fuck with peoples campaigns
consumptionjunction: yeah, heard that the first time
consumptionjunction: that's not a fact
consumptionjunction: a fact is on this date this happened
consumptionjunction: Lets start w/ who your friend is?
fris: i am not naming names unless i get his permission. even if i do. are you willing to refund him?
consumptionjunction: Get your permission. I SERIOUSLY doubt you'll get it because I'm 110% positive the person in question is full of shit. I'm not going to promise a refund when I have NO idea what we're talking about. I've done business with 100's of companies. So I will promise to look into whatever the beef is. If I find something that warrants a refund I'll grant it. I will NOT find what you are accusing us of because it has NEVER happened and never will. I will NOT issue a refund just to hush someone up. If your friend doesn't have the BALLS to contact me directly I doubt very seriously he/she has any proof to back up his claims. But I WELCOME the chance to defend ourselves. I also STRONLGLY encourage this happens in a Public forum. As I said we've got NOTHING to hide.
consumptionjunction: The thread you hijacked on GFY would do nicely
fris: this person was cheated he paid good money and you fucked with his campaign.
consumptionjunction: You keep repeating accusations with NO facts. Sorry, but I'm losing my temper here. Back it up or shut the fuck up.
fris: are you getting angry?
consumptionjunction: I'm trying hard not to, try and reverse the situation. I go on a public forum and say you have a 2 inch penis. You say bullshit, prove it. I say you have a 2 inch penis. You say show me the proof, what facts do you have? I say you have a 2 inch penis. Or actually, to be more accurate, I'd have to say I "heard" you had a 2 inch penis from a buddy.
consumptionjunction: No response huh. We'll let me get to posting this all on GFY. Again, unlike your buddy, I've got nothing to hide. The challenge stands. If you or your buddy are so certain we did these things, prove it. Hell, a start would be to have your buddy tell me who he is. That's really all I need. I keep every email, every IM. I'll gladly post the entire history and all communication between myself and your buddy on GFY. Whoever he/she is.

And just in case you guys choose not to come forward, let me make something very clear. I will vehemetly defend any accusations of this nature going forward. I will make it absolutely clear to anyone and everyone that I welcome the chance to defend myself. The result of this is quite simple: if you accuse and can't back it up or choose not to, you will be the one who looks like you're full of shit and shady.
fris: i am getting in touch with him
consumptionjunction: thank you. for what it's worth, I understand where you're coming from. If a close friend said something like that, I'd be likely to believe him too.
consumptionjunction: but I also stick to my guns on the fact that we've never done anything like that and it's really out of line for you to take pot shots like that. You should be a man about it and contact me directly if you've got a beef. You should also be a friend to your friend and tell him to be a man about it and contact me directly. But since you've chosen to take this to a public forum, I suggest we coorespond publically so everyone is out in the open from here on.

[MarcWomack]

I've got a conference call so I'll scope this thread tomorrow. Anyone that wants to contact me knows how