Sorry to let this guy hijack what was a very helpful and productive thread for me. I'm doing the redesign on CJ and I REALLY appreciate all the input. Once I put this guy down, please continue.
Anway, I found the only contact I've ever had w/ this guy. He talked to me about buying ads. Chat transcript below. Again sorry for providing so much info but I take accusations like that VERY seriously. Also, if you don't feel like reading the whole thing, PLEASE scroll to the bottom for the transcript of the conversation I just had with him.
Long story short, the guy says we fucked over a "buddy" of his but he can't provide any proofs, any facts, nothing. I've invited him to have his "buddy" post his claims here in a public forum. We'll see if he has the balls.
So, here's my only contact w/ this Fris character:
Session Start (marcwomack:fris DOT net): Fri Apr 09 06:35:23 2004
fris DOT net: hi
marcwomack: hello
fris DOT net: i saw your post on gfy about traffic
marcwomack: right on, what site(s) are you looking to promote?
fris DOT net: just my tgp
marcwomack: what's the URL?
fris DOT net: gagmovies.com
marcwomack: hmm, maybe my connection here, but loading very slowly w/ broken images
fris DOT net: hrmm i dont see any broken images
marcwomack: yeah, I refreshed and it came up fine
marcwomack: I'm down in Panama right now setting up a new programming/design company. we're using this city-wide wi-fi wireless connection
fris DOT net: ahh
fris DOT net: my friend just setup the wifi for via rail canada on the trains
marcwomack: kewl. well, there's a lot of options for advertising. What kind of a budget are you looking at?
fris DOT net: well i wanted to just start out at the 10,000 hits see what kind of conversions i get see if i want to buy more
marcwomack: prefer banners or text links?
fris DOT net: what converts the best?
marcwomack: no real difference. so long as the banners you supply match you site
fris DOT net: or would it be better to use a sponsor for 10,000 hits is that what prople normally do like topbucks?
marcwomack: no, we won't sell you ads to promote other programs. you won't be able to make a profit that way
fris DOT net: cause i thoughts that what the deal was on the cjtraffic page you place your sponsor on the page
marcwomack: no, site owners buy my traffic
marcwomack: our pricing is based on what we can make as affiliates
marcwomack: but we get higher payouts than your average joe and we know our traffic better than anyone
marcwomack: so you wouldn't be able to make a profit buying ad spots just to send to sponsor Session Close (fris DOT net): Fri Apr 09 15:36:24 2004
Session Start (marcwomack:frisDOTnet): Sun Apr 25 11:29:07 2004
frisDOTnet: msg me when u are around about the servers we have a cage up in toronto
*** Auto-response sent to frisDOTnet: I am currently away from the computer.
Session Close (frisDOTnet): Sun Apr 25 21:27:04 2004
Session Start (marcwomack:frisDOTnet): Thu Jul 29 12:17:11 2004
frisDOTnet: hi
marcwomack: yo
Session Close (frisDOTnet): Thu Jul 29 12:17:49 2004
Session Start (marcwomack:frisDOTnet): Thu Jul 29 12:17:56 2004
frisDOTnet: whatsup
frisDOTnet: if you are busy i can contact you later?
marcwomack: no, now is fine
marcwomack: I'm always busy
marcwomack: what can I do for ya?
frisDOTnet: i wanna get some advetising
marcwomack: where you wanna send the traffic?
frisDOTnet: can i send the traffic to a program?
marcwomack: depends
marcwomack: which program?
marcwomack: not to one of the ones that we're hitting heavily
frisDOTnet: traffic cash gold please bang my wife?
marcwomack: nope, sorry bro, that's top of the no-no list.
marcwomack: we're absofuckinglutely KILLING it with traffic cash gold
marcwomack: we just took a huge pre-pay deal from them
marcwomack: them, silvercash, platinumbucks, dollarmachine, and topbucks are off limits
frisDOTnet: ahh ok
marcwomack: honestly bro, as much as I'd love to do more sales money, it just doesn't make sense to buy from us to send to a program
marcwomack: all our pricing is based on what we can do by doing that
marcwomack: problem is the guy that handles that in our company has been doing it for 3 years. Our payouts are prolly higher than what you would get and he knows our traffic better than anyone on the planet
marcwomack: it's DAMN hard to make a profit at my pricing by sending to the programs
frisDOTnet: well what should i be doing with the traffic? sending it to my paysite?
marcwomack: the programs are the ones buying b/c they can make more money off the traffic than they'd pay us on as an affiliate
marcwomack: absolutely
frisDOTnet: how does the text links convert?
marcwomack: same as any other spot
marcwomack: seriously, that' s the cool thing about my ad spots
marcwomack: they all convert the same
frisDOTnet: well i dont know your conversions
marcwomack: all depends on where you're sending it
frisDOTnet: my bros gfs paysite naughtyjenn amateur site
marcwomack: our metric is 1/500. if we send 10K clicks to a site and it does 1/501 then we stop sending it
marcwomack: amateur does very well for us
marcwomack: wifeysworld.com, karadavis.com, naughtyathome.com
marcwomack: naughtyallie.com
marcwomack: cathyscraving.com
frisDOTnet: i just wanna know if i will make my money back or am i gonna lose it
marcwomack: what's the url
frisDOTnet: (Link:
http://www.naughtyjenn.com)www.naughtyjenn.com
marcwomack: hmm
marcwomack: hot chick
marcwomack: looks like good amateur site
marcwomack: tours is a bit week
marcwomack: no sample vids
marcwomack: if you could get those 3 thumbs of vids to link to 30 second vid clips, then you'd do pretty well
marcwomack: I'd do video sponsorships with this type of content
marcwomack: instead of banners or text links
marcwomack: (Link:
http://www.cjtraffic.com/ad_vids.htm...m/ad_vids.html
frisDOTnet: little bit out of my price range
frisDOTnet: can you send traffic to a gallery?
marcwomack: yes
marcwomack: but I don't have pricing on it right now
marcwomack: We base all our pricing on how many clicks the spot generated the month before. But this month we made a huge change and probably tripled the traffic going to our TGP sections. So I have to wait until the end of the month to figure out the pricing. The pricing usually averages out to around 1.25 cents a click to the gallery
frisDOTnet: wouldnt it be just a text link say on steakdandcheese then link that to the gallery?
marcwomack: ah
marcwomack: haven't ever tried that
marcwomack: thought you meant in our TGP section
marcwomack: I've got some relatively inexpensive text link spots
marcwomack: what kind of budget were you looking at?
frisDOTnet: well what do you have?
marcwomack: 2 weeks of Rotating Text Links on CJ for $1600
frisDOTnet: thats not inexpensive
marcwomack: is by our standards
marcwomack: minimum to do anything is $1000
frisDOTnet: it says 300$ for text link on steak and cheese
marcwomack: yes, so you'd have to buy 4 weeks as minimum
dude don't forget, I'm pricing this for what we can make off it. if the deal is less than $1000, it's just not worth the time
frisDOTnet: i think i will wait then
marcwomack: understood man. I know we're expensive.
Session Close (frisDOTnet): Thu Jul 29 13:39:25 2004
Session Start (marcwomack:frisDOTnet): Thu Dec 23 16:33:04 2004
frisDOTnet: can you only buy 1 week of text links? or do you have to buy more than 1 week
marcwomack: no, plenty, week is just the shortest increment I sell
frisDOTnet: so i can buy a week now?
frisDOTnet: i run a lesbian blog and have been looking for the right converting traffic and no one has been able to help me out
marcwomack: by now do you mean to run this week?
marcwomack: I'd steer clear of that b/c of the holidays
marcwomack: but yeah, you can buy now to reserve early January
frisDOTnet: well ya i meant i would like to try it a week i dont want to buy a month if its not goin gto work
marcwomack: yeah, no worries, what's the URL of the site?
frisDOTnet: how welld o you think it will convert my site is (Link:
http://www.richsnob.com)www.richsnob.com
marcwomack: hmm
marcwomack: you'd need to get a lot of bookmarkers
frisDOTnet: ya
marcwomack: well, the challenge is we'd have to come up w/ at least 2K worth of ads. I won't do a campaign for less than 2K
frisDOTnet: ya i was just looking at a week of text ads not something like 2k
marcwomack: yeah, that's prolly gonna kill it. It's just that we sell them for what we can make by sending to the affiliate programs. so for us it's not worth it unless it's at least 2K
frisDOTnet: ahh ok
marcwomack:
Session Close (frisDOTnet): Thu Dec 23 16:48:44 2004
My conversation w/ him tonight is in the next post. I exceeded the 10K character limit GFY allows in one post.