Well so much for my paysite... - GoFuckYourself.com

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 06:34 PM

I'm not sure who here has been following my progress or seen my threads... but i'm 18.... been living on my own since and supporting myself since 16.... so this whole situation has put a big fucking dent in my current living..... Initially i had a model named Julia who i was supposed to do a solo site with.... then last minute she backed out and referred her friend mandy.....everything was great, she agreed to do a SOLO SITE remember... this is very important.. she agreed to do a SOLO SITE...

so i get all my shit together.... i buy all the equipment....

lights - 1600 dollars
mini dv camera - 1300
Canon rebel - 700

so... so far before i start shooting the costs are 3600.... Now... i know she does webcamming.. and i don't want to come off as a snake.. so i talk to her camming boss... and ask his permission to shoot her... he said he was cool with it.. AS LONG AS I DIDN'T STEAL HER FOR WEB CAMMING i agreed... and said if i find girls for camming i would refer him to him.... and if he found girls for shooting he would refer them to me... he said that after my first shoot with mandy if everything went okay that he would let his other models know that do camming for him that they should come do shoots with me

and that is steve from www.adultwebcamworld.com who i talked to.... known on icq as "huey"...

now... everything is going cool.... i meet mandy for the first shoot.... at a hotel....

so now the costs are 350 for hotel and 20 bucks for her taxi ride there.... she gets there... everything is going great... i told her she can bring her friend with her (makeup artist) and i would pay her for doing her makeup... (to be nice) .... now i also pay a photographer 200 for the day to be there....

im having a nice time just sitting on the couch chatting with her friend while the photo guy and her are doing the shoot...also ordered them food to eat..... now im saying all these details so everyone knows every single aspect of what has happened to date....

the shoot goes great, i get along with everyone.. everything is fine....and we schedule another shoot for the coming friday, since she can only shoot on fridays because of school.....

now during this shoot...she kept going on about how her ex boyfriend ben could hook up a cheaper NICER hotel for next shoot... i didn't pay it much attention but she mentioned it a lot.... so i took down his number

i call him right before the NEXT shoot the friday after... and im like hey i need a room blah blah blah.. he sets it up.... everything is done... now he calls me 20 minutes after... and is like hey... do u mind if me and mandy keep the room after the shoot... and im like yah shouldn't be a problem....

now we didnt get to the hotel till about 5pm... a little later then scheduled....and her ex boyfriend the one that hooked up the room is IN the room... so i think to myself.. should be okay so long as he doesnt get in the way.... ( BIG MISTAKE ) .... i mention to him that my photographer lives 5 hours drive away and is gonna need to keep the room sorry.... and hes like okay... i go in the other room... to help my photographer set up his equipment.... and i hear a bunch of bitching in the other room coming from mandy, her makeup artist friend... and ex boyfriend.... i had a feeling they were talking about me... but didn't think they would be rude enough as to be talking shit about someone while they are so close... so i go in to see what the problem is... and they are all ganging up on me about the room and it being part of the deal... and are being extremely rude about it.. though i wanted to punch out her boyfriend... i hid it and was like alright cool... u guys can keep the room..... even though it wasnt aprt of the deal...

now her boyfriend is a 31 year old loser who is in a punk band... and hes sitting on the table rolling joints and smoking them in the room.... now do u see why i wouldn't want to be letting him keep the room in the first place? lol... but anyways i was like okay .. photographer can crash at my house tonight... enjoy the room.... i was even nice enough to pay her makeup artist 160 for makeup .. even though im sure mandy could have done it herself and looked the same...

now at this point... mandy already knows that i am doing a solo site... and that i need her every possible day shes free to shoot content.. but since she goes to school... we agreed on every friday.....

nearing the end of the shoot... she mentions something about lightspeed... im like wtf? so i go home and talk to lightspeed steve... and hes like... "what? she has a site coming up? i cant use her then..." .... and then i come home to my icq filled with messages from her camming boss... and the model on MSN.... saying i fucked them over blah blah blah....

the model was FREAKING out.... saying i fucked her over and that she didn't know it was for a solo site.... (bullshit... 2 fulls days of shooting and scheduling every free day she has to shoot) ... now im wondering if her camming boss made the deal with lightspeed after i already had a deal with the model....

either way discussions start happening so that i will sell it to them, since i have no option because the model wouldn't want to shoot with me now that she knows of lightspeed and how much money they would give her...

and they say... 2500 ....

and at this point i have this invested

3600 in equipment....

850 for the model
160+80 for makeup to her friend...
300+150 for the hotel rooms
misc food taxis etc for the model
400 webdesign
another 300 webdesign
150 dedicated server etc
plus roughly 30-35 hours of my time...

so obviously i say no....

and they are like... okay we wont use her.... then i talk to the model... and shes RAGING....

lightspeed repeatedly tells me to work it out with the camming bosses from www.adultwebcamworld.com and that he hopes to hear that we come to a resolution where i don't feel fucked...

now i understand that i didnt have an exclusive contract with the model..... but its just about ethics.... and whats right... and i think they know that... thats why they try to resolve it..

however i keep getting put off daily by the guys.... and keep getting told tomorrow... tomorrow... tomorrow... etc... then finally we start talking...

and they are like... we are firm on 2500.... a day or so later... we negotiate some more...

and they are like 3500 and you have to sign a non disclosure agreement so u cant say "we stole the model" ....and to me thats unfair.. and i ask for 4000..... and then they retract it altogether.... and im like wtf? u are retracting an offer midway through negotiating? and they are like... "we will suggest to mandy that she work with you" ... yah my ass... there is no way in hell she would work with me after lightspeed has offered his this much money and then told her im the reason they wont use her...

either way.. i feel fucked..... some of you know how hard i have worked for this shit... and this is gonna hurt me financially a lot... but i have run into some luck because of this... i have met a great group of people who have offered to help me out with some content and ideas for paysites etc.... now i am just posting this so u guys dont make the same mistakes i did...

oh and a quick snippet from my conversation ...

Steve Lightspeed (3:49 PM) :
then LAUNCH THE MOTHER FUCKING SITE -- CASE CLOSED
Steve Lightspeed (3:50 PM) :
you WIN
sonofsam (3:50 PM) :
how does that mean i win ? i don't win... she doesn't shoot for some reason
sonofsam (3:50 PM) :
and its not something that was on my part
Steve Lightspeed (3:50 PM) :
use your BUSINESS SKILLS to SOLVE THE PROBLEM
sonofsam (3:51 PM) :
someones letting their "emotions run"
sonofsam (3:51 PM) :
maybe you should take your own advice
Steve Lightspeed (3:51 PM) :
yeah, thats true, i'm tired today -- so I'll let you speak to my attorney from this point if you need anything from us

now i know this could very well be the end of me on gfy from all the bashing im going to get... but i want to say thanks to all the people who have helped me along the way.. and i am going to keep trying to succeed... and have decided to purchase some content from aaronM to launch a paysite... but now im kinda fucked for site design and traffic and that kind of stuff since i was relying a lot on some of that money for the mandy site....

i have a site made for her... but only 26 sets of photos and 6 short vids... if anyone has any suggestions i would appreciate it... im kinda stuck.... should i just launch the site and offer a lifetime membership or soemthing since i cant update it or? .... i know i can give the content toa content store but i kinda need the return fast then that...

thanks

Mike...

Jace · 03-15-2005, 06:39 PM

launch the site dude

promote the fuck out of it

don't offer trials

make your money back

i am lost, how is lightspeed involved with all this? i kind of got the jist, but am still lost...was lightspeed going to make her a lightspeed girl?

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

launch the site dude

promote the fuck out of it

don't offer trials

make your money back

i am lost, how is lightspeed involved with all this? i kind of got the jist, but am still lost...was lightspeed going to make her a lightspeed girl?

lightspeed and the girls webcaming boss (www.adultwebcamworld.com) had a deal i guess for lightspeed to use a bunch of his girls....

nofx · 03-15-2005, 06:42 PM

man keep your head up

it will get better, you can only get so low before you start to build again ;]

StuartD · 03-15-2005, 06:43 PM

That's pretty heavy.... there's gotta be something that can be done.

How about just selling the shoots you did do to Lightspeed? Let him have the content and he can still do his deal... and you get your $$ back, or part of it?

CybermedAndy · 03-15-2005, 06:44 PM

Take the model and throw her off a cliff

European Lee · 03-15-2005, 06:44 PM

On the plus side...

If Steve was going to be using her as a Lightspeed girl, you KNOW she would have sold so do as Steve said, launch the site

Regards,

Lee

VegasSEGirl · 03-15-2005, 06:44 PM

You should take their offer if they are still offering it. You'll at least get most of your money back. The camera and lights cost isn't something you should take in to account since you can use them in the future on different models. Let her shoot with Lightspeed, you can't have a solo site with an unhappy, unwilling model. Next time have a contract upfront before you shoot.

Jace · 03-15-2005, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

lightspeed and the girls webcaming boss (www.adultwebcamworld.com) had a deal i guess for lightspeed to use a bunch of his girls....

and now she won't shoot with you cause of that agreement?

sounds like she is the flat out idiot here...and sounds like she is the reason for your drama

fuckin women...

launch the site, no trials, promote the fuck out of it, make your money back

once you make your money back, sell the content in a blowout sale for some cheap price on some site like contentblowout.com...and let it ride for a few months...make more money back

Spunky · 03-15-2005, 06:45 PM

That's fucked up man

StuartD · 03-15-2005, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by European Lee

On the plus side...

If Steve was going to be using her as a Lightspeed girl, you KNOW she would have sold so do as Steve said, launch the site

Regards,

Lee

Ugh... I hate to say it, but I agree with Lee on this one.

I feel dirty.

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 06:47 PM

thanks for the advice guys

bringer · 03-15-2005, 06:48 PM

start a site and shuffle in bought content to stretch out the 26 pic sets as "friends"
updates are updates and ive seen this work for a few sites

iwantchixx · 03-15-2005, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

and now she won't shoot with you cause of that agreement?

sounds like she is the flat out idiot here...and sounds like she is the reason for your drama

fuckin women...

launch the site, no trials, promote the fuck out of it, make your money back

once you make your money back, sell the content in a blowout sale for some cheap price on some site like contentblowout.com...and let it ride for a few months...make more money back

yeah that model sounds like a real hahahaha. You should see the friggin logs of her convo with sam. Holy shit, she's as sharp as a sock full of soup!

smack · 03-15-2005, 06:49 PM

dude, launch the fucking site. don't let anything stand in the way of you and a good opprotunity.

tungsten · 03-15-2005, 06:49 PM

thats fucked up.. did the model sign the contract for the solo site? not sure if its usually done, i dont do paysites

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 06:50 PM

T-eaze...haha says:
LOOK IM NOT GOING TO UPDATE UR SITE IM STILL SHOOTING WITH Lightspeed... u can do whatever u want with the content i couls care less..but i am going to let u know one thing a piece of friendly advice GOOD lUCK in this industry its a BITCH aint it
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
no need to get so upset
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
okay the thing is.. i can offer you the same deal steve has given you... he even suggested me to.... hes not going to shoot you
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
i suggest you call huey and ask him
T-eaze...haha says:
im on the phone with him at the moment actually an dhave been for like 10 mins
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
okay and whats he saying?
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
lightspeed told me they arn't going to use you...
T-eaze...haha says:
the exact same thing i just told u
T-eaze...haha says:
look THIS doesnt concern u
T-eaze...haha says:
good luck with ur site
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
actually it does concern me
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
you were supposed to make a solo site
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
and you flaked
T-eaze...haha says:
ur going to need it
T-eaze...haha says:
please dont call me
T-eaze...haha says:
anymore

Rorschach · 03-15-2005, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngelDollarsAndy

Take the model and throw her off a cliff

best suggestion so far

Shooting_Manic · 03-15-2005, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bringer

start a site and shuffle in bought content to stretch out the 26 pic sets as "friends"
updates are updates and ive seen this work for a few sites

Thats what I would do. You have a bunch on money into it already another 750 for a ccbill account seems like a no brainer. Then, buy more content as your site sells and fill it in content wise with "friends".

tony286 · 03-15-2005, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

launch the site dude

promote the fuck out of it

don't offer trials

make your money back

i am lost, how is lightspeed involved with all this? i kind of got the jist, but am still lost...was lightspeed going to make her a lightspeed girl?

I agree with brother Jace

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 06:52 PM

im gonna go get some air, i'll check back in a little... been a really stessfull day.. thougha great learning experience...

slapass · 03-15-2005, 06:53 PM

Why not take the lower price as don't you get free camera shit then to do this all over with?

After Shock Media · 03-15-2005, 06:53 PM

For the most part contracts will never do jack shit. If they break them and somehow you do get a judgement good luck seeing any of the money. If they are of the non-competition variety you better have damn good luck and attornies since it is near impossible to prevent someone of their lively hood.

Jace · 03-15-2005, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

T-eaze...haha says:
LOOK IM NOT GOING TO UPDATE UR SITE IM STILL SHOOTING WITH Lightspeed... u can do whatever u want with the content i couls care less..but i am going to let u know one thing a piece of friendly advice GOOD lUCK in this industry its a BITCH aint it
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
no need to get so upset
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
okay the thing is.. i can offer you the same deal steve has given you... he even suggested me to.... hes not going to shoot you
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
i suggest you call huey and ask him
T-eaze...haha says:
im on the phone with him at the moment actually an dhave been for like 10 mins
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
okay and whats he saying?
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
lightspeed told me they arn't going to use you...
T-eaze...haha says:
the exact same thing i just told u
T-eaze...haha says:
look THIS doesnt concern u
T-eaze...haha says:
good luck with ur site
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
actually it does concern me
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
you were supposed to make a solo site
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
and you flaked
T-eaze...haha says:
ur going to need it
T-eaze...haha says:
please dont call me
T-eaze...haha says:
anymore

damn dude

what is that chicks model name...that way when she eventually does go with some other program or want to do any more work, we know who to say no to or not promote

that shit is fucked up

i would be suprised if lightspeed even wanted her after all that...they don't need that kind of drama

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 06:55 PM

site of the model www.adultforum.ca/skinnymandy

its being re touched up by a nother designer

Jace · 03-15-2005, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

T-eaze...haha says:
LOOK IM NOT GOING TO UPDATE UR SITE IM STILL SHOOTING WITH Lightspeed... u can do whatever u want with the content i couls care less..but i am going to let u know one thing a piece of friendly advice GOOD lUCK in this industry its a BITCH aint it

that is the line that gets me the most...that is some cold ass shit

sean416 · 03-15-2005, 06:55 PM

thats some fucked up shit, I would just launch the site and promote the hell out of it anyway you can. who cares about updates and shit. just try and make your money back. I know how much work, time and effort you put into this and to see it come to this really sucks. Good luck bro.

Jace · 03-15-2005, 06:55 PM

god damn she is hot

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sean416

thats some fucked up shit, I would just launch the site and promote the hell out of it anyway you can. who cares about updates and shit. just try and make your money back. I know how much work, time and effort you put into this and to see it come to this really sucks. Good luck bro.

thanks bro

V_RocKs · 03-15-2005, 07:04 PM

OK.. #1 your 40 hours of time I will give you $1000 credit for.. Plus expenses $3500 total. YOU SHOULD HAVE ACCEPTED THAT OFFER! The expenses for the cameras and lights are not one time useage. So you can't claim them as a loss on this project alone.

In the future. GET EXCLUSIVE MODELS!

Now... open the site, put up 16 sets and then 1 per week for 10 weeks. Then in the mean time, find another girl! Put her on the site too by week 6. Then make it known that Mandy is out and the other is going to take over. Walla.. done.

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

In the future. GET EXCLUSIVE MODELS!

lesson learned... keep in mind it was my first time doing a site.... i've only even heard about tgps 5 months ago..

i thought i had everything pretty much under control... boy was i wrong lol.. actually come to think of it everything was going pretty smoothly as far as production was going..

After Shock Media · 03-15-2005, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

OK.. #1 your 40 hours of time I will give you $1000 credit for.. Plus expenses $3500 total. YOU SHOULD HAVE ACCEPTED THAT OFFER! The expenses for the cameras and lights are not one time useage. So you can't claim them as a loss on this project alone.

I think the 4000.00 counter offer was fair. That would basicly cover his out of pocket expenses not including the equipment. Reasonable counter-counter offer would of been 3750.00 and from what I see above I think sonofsam would of taken it.

CybermedAndy · 03-15-2005, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

that is the line that gets me the most...that is some cold ass shit

Hence my suggestion- pls see post #6

wtfent · 03-15-2005, 07:09 PM

Sent you an ICQ

sean416 · 03-15-2005, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

OK.. #1 your 40 hours of time I will give you $1000 credit for.. Plus expenses $3500 total. YOU SHOULD HAVE ACCEPTED THAT OFFER! The expenses for the cameras and lights are not one time useage. So you can't claim them as a loss on this project alone.

The reason why I disagree with that, is because you dont work your ass off to break even. Assuming his total expenses were $3500 or $4500 or whatever, he still put a couple months of work into this. At the end, if hes going to get fucked out of his model at no fault of his own.. dont you think he should be able to walk away with a little profit? I'm not in the paysite game, but if I was in his position, I would never take $3500 to walk away from 2-3 months work. If you want to buy me out, buy me out. Don't give me allowance money and expect me to run off skipping and be happy go lucky.

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 07:13 PM

believe me at this point i would even take the 3500... right now i have a few grand worth of content coming over... but not even enough money to promote it etc.. i was just trying to negotiate what i thought was a fair price.... and then they just pulled the offer completely and gave me the cold shoulder...

European Lee · 03-15-2005, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

T-eaze...haha says:
LOOK IM NOT GOING TO UPDATE UR SITE IM STILL SHOOTING WITH Lightspeed... u can do whatever u want with the content i couls care less..but i am going to let u know one thing a piece of friendly advice GOOD lUCK in this industry its a BITCH aint it

Seriously, get THAT in writing from her ASAP!

Then, as she told you that you can do whatevr you want with the content, give it away for free... at the local colleges where she lives, with her name on it and a url to a site you own.

Mail a couple of the pics to her parents, to her boyfriend, to her place of work.

She sounds like a bitch but, thankfully, paybacks a motherfucker

Regards,

Lee

Martin · 03-15-2005, 07:15 PM

That's what you get for dealing with flakey webcam sluts. Best of luck to ya.

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 07:17 PM

to be honest, i was a bit worried about posting this since i thought i would get flamed to death... nice to see everyone so supportive

wes · 03-15-2005, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

OK.. #1 your 40 hours of time I will give you $1000 credit for.. Plus expenses $3500 total. YOU SHOULD HAVE ACCEPTED THAT OFFER! The expenses for the cameras and lights are not one time useage. So you can't claim them as a loss on this project alone.

In the future. GET EXCLUSIVE MODELS!

Now... open the site, put up 16 sets and then 1 per week for 10 weeks. Then in the mean time, find another girl! Put her on the site too by week 6. Then make it known that Mandy is out and the other is going to take over. Walla.. done.

That sounds like a good plan.

pradaboy · 03-15-2005, 07:20 PM

sorry to hear you had a major bump in the road, Jace, Lee and bringer already put up some good ideas. I think you can still make your money back easily

wes · 03-15-2005, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by European Lee

Seriously, get THAT in writing from her ASAP!

Then, as she told you that you can do whatevr you want with the content, give it away for free... at the local colleges where she lives, with her name on it and a url to a site you own.

Mail a couple of the pics to her parents, to her boyfriend, to her place of work.

She sounds like a bitch but, thankfully, paybacks a motherfucker

Regards,

Lee

Damn Lee, that's pretty cold. But damn, I like that idea as well. Payback is a bitch indeed.

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pradaboy

sorry to hear you had a major bump in the road, Jace, Lee and bringer already put up some good ideas. I think you can still make your money back easily

yeah lets hope so

bangman · 03-15-2005, 07:26 PM

You heard me on ICQ bro.

You're a good guy, and like others have said, you will get up from this and maybe even laugh about it down the line. It's just how it goes.
People are supportive because they have been through tough situations like this.

European Lee · 03-15-2005, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wes

Damn Lee, that's pretty cold. But damn, I like that idea as well. Payback is a bitch indeed.

Yep thats not even including the local bars in her area, local sex stores, phone booths etc etc.

I bet she'd want to lave the industry pretty quickly after a week or two of EVERYONE knowing she is a 'pornstar' ;)

Hell even send the pics in to 'reader wives' type topshelf mags too, you might get lucky and they may publish them... Thats national exposure right there ;)

Regards,

Lee

CybermedAndy · 03-15-2005, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by European Lee

Yep thats not even including the local bars in her area, local sex stores, phone booths etc etc.

I bet she'd want to lave the industry pretty quickly after a week or two of EVERYONE knowing she is a 'pornstar' ;)

Hell even send the pics in to 'reader wives' type topshelf mags too, you might get lucky and they may publish them... Thats national exposure right there ;)

Regards,

Lee

Gotta go ahead and 2nd Lee's suggestions.

Failing that..... see post #6

Young · 03-15-2005, 07:33 PM

damn sonofsam hope everything works out for the best. next time head down to the local hottie hangout with a bunch of business cards. get them fresh and dumb.

aico · 03-15-2005, 07:38 PM

If you have a full release, open the fucking site, or sell the content and make your money back, or at least some of it.

VegasSEGirl · 03-15-2005, 07:38 PM

He paid her for the shoots, I'm assuming with a model agreement, so he can do whatever he wants with the content. He could have had $3500 with no further work. Now he has to put more time into it and try to get more than $3500 back from it.

When you are doing a solo site with a girl and paying her by the shoot, where is her incentive to stay exclusive unless you are paying her a good amount per month or per shoot? I mean more than she would get just working. What was her incentive to do an exlusive deal? Steady work? She could have had that anyway, she's good looking and photogenic.

These are just things you need to think about for future sites. You can find another girl easily. Just make sure you get her locked down non compete, exclusive, whatever you do with solo site models.

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 07:39 PM

one thing i have to my advantage is my age..... i have access to a lot of 18 year old girls haha

in fact recruited another girl today... exclusive... this time i'll get custom contracts

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03-15-2005, 06:34 PM	#1
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	Well so much for my paysite... I'm not sure who here has been following my progress or seen my threads... but i'm 18.... been living on my own since and supporting myself since 16.... so this whole situation has put a big fucking dent in my current living..... Initially i had a model named Julia who i was supposed to do a solo site with.... then last minute she backed out and referred her friend mandy.....everything was great, she agreed to do a SOLO SITE remember... this is very important.. she agreed to do a SOLO SITE... so i get all my shit together.... i buy all the equipment.... lights - 1600 dollars mini dv camera - 1300 Canon rebel - 700 so... so far before i start shooting the costs are 3600.... Now... i know she does webcamming.. and i don't want to come off as a snake.. so i talk to her camming boss... and ask his permission to shoot her... he said he was cool with it.. AS LONG AS I DIDN'T STEAL HER FOR WEB CAMMING i agreed... and said if i find girls for camming i would refer him to him.... and if he found girls for shooting he would refer them to me... he said that after my first shoot with mandy if everything went okay that he would let his other models know that do camming for him that they should come do shoots with me and that is steve from www.adultwebcamworld.com who i talked to.... known on icq as "huey"... now... everything is going cool.... i meet mandy for the first shoot.... at a hotel.... so now the costs are 350 for hotel and 20 bucks for her taxi ride there.... she gets there... everything is going great... i told her she can bring her friend with her (makeup artist) and i would pay her for doing her makeup... (to be nice) .... now i also pay a photographer 200 for the day to be there.... im having a nice time just sitting on the couch chatting with her friend while the photo guy and her are doing the shoot...also ordered them food to eat..... now im saying all these details so everyone knows every single aspect of what has happened to date.... the shoot goes great, i get along with everyone.. everything is fine....and we schedule another shoot for the coming friday, since she can only shoot on fridays because of school..... now during this shoot...she kept going on about how her ex boyfriend ben could hook up a cheaper NICER hotel for next shoot... i didn't pay it much attention but she mentioned it a lot.... so i took down his number i call him right before the NEXT shoot the friday after... and im like hey i need a room blah blah blah.. he sets it up.... everything is done... now he calls me 20 minutes after... and is like hey... do u mind if me and mandy keep the room after the shoot... and im like yah shouldn't be a problem.... now we didnt get to the hotel till about 5pm... a little later then scheduled....and her ex boyfriend the one that hooked up the room is IN the room... so i think to myself.. should be okay so long as he doesnt get in the way.... ( BIG MISTAKE ) .... i mention to him that my photographer lives 5 hours drive away and is gonna need to keep the room sorry.... and hes like okay... i go in the other room... to help my photographer set up his equipment.... and i hear a bunch of bitching in the other room coming from mandy, her makeup artist friend... and ex boyfriend.... i had a feeling they were talking about me... but didn't think they would be rude enough as to be talking shit about someone while they are so close... so i go in to see what the problem is... and they are all ganging up on me about the room and it being part of the deal... and are being extremely rude about it.. though i wanted to punch out her boyfriend... i hid it and was like alright cool... u guys can keep the room..... even though it wasnt aprt of the deal... now her boyfriend is a 31 year old loser who is in a punk band... and hes sitting on the table rolling joints and smoking them in the room.... now do u see why i wouldn't want to be letting him keep the room in the first place? lol... but anyways i was like okay .. photographer can crash at my house tonight... enjoy the room.... i was even nice enough to pay her makeup artist 160 for makeup .. even though im sure mandy could have done it herself and looked the same... now at this point... mandy already knows that i am doing a solo site... and that i need her every possible day shes free to shoot content.. but since she goes to school... we agreed on every friday..... nearing the end of the shoot... she mentions something about lightspeed... im like wtf? so i go home and talk to lightspeed steve... and hes like... "what? she has a site coming up? i cant use her then..." .... and then i come home to my icq filled with messages from her camming boss... and the model on MSN.... saying i fucked them over blah blah blah.... the model was FREAKING out.... saying i fucked her over and that she didn't know it was for a solo site.... (bullshit... 2 fulls days of shooting and scheduling every free day she has to shoot) ... now im wondering if her camming boss made the deal with lightspeed after i already had a deal with the model.... either way discussions start happening so that i will sell it to them, since i have no option because the model wouldn't want to shoot with me now that she knows of lightspeed and how much money they would give her... and they say... 2500 .... and at this point i have this invested 3600 in equipment.... 850 for the model 160+80 for makeup to her friend... 300+150 for the hotel rooms misc food taxis etc for the model 400 webdesign another 300 webdesign 150 dedicated server etc plus roughly 30-35 hours of my time... so obviously i say no.... and they are like... okay we wont use her.... then i talk to the model... and shes RAGING.... lightspeed repeatedly tells me to work it out with the camming bosses from www.adultwebcamworld.com and that he hopes to hear that we come to a resolution where i don't feel fucked... now i understand that i didnt have an exclusive contract with the model..... but its just about ethics.... and whats right... and i think they know that... thats why they try to resolve it.. however i keep getting put off daily by the guys.... and keep getting told tomorrow... tomorrow... tomorrow... etc... then finally we start talking... and they are like... we are firm on 2500.... a day or so later... we negotiate some more... and they are like 3500 and you have to sign a non disclosure agreement so u cant say "we stole the model" ....and to me thats unfair.. and i ask for 4000..... and then they retract it altogether.... and im like wtf? u are retracting an offer midway through negotiating? and they are like... "we will suggest to mandy that she work with you" ... yah my ass... there is no way in hell she would work with me after lightspeed has offered his this much money and then told her im the reason they wont use her... either way.. i feel fucked..... some of you know how hard i have worked for this shit... and this is gonna hurt me financially a lot... but i have run into some luck because of this... i have met a great group of people who have offered to help me out with some content and ideas for paysites etc.... now i am just posting this so u guys dont make the same mistakes i did... oh and a quick snippet from my conversation ... Steve Lightspeed (3:49 PM) : then LAUNCH THE MOTHER FUCKING SITE -- CASE CLOSED Steve Lightspeed (3:50 PM) : you WIN sonofsam (3:50 PM) : how does that mean i win ? i don't win... she doesn't shoot for some reason sonofsam (3:50 PM) : and its not something that was on my part Steve Lightspeed (3:50 PM) : use your BUSINESS SKILLS to SOLVE THE PROBLEM sonofsam (3:51 PM) : someones letting their "emotions run" sonofsam (3:51 PM) : maybe you should take your own advice Steve Lightspeed (3:51 PM) : yeah, thats true, i'm tired today -- so I'll let you speak to my attorney from this point if you need anything from us now i know this could very well be the end of me on gfy from all the bashing im going to get... but i want to say thanks to all the people who have helped me along the way.. and i am going to keep trying to succeed... and have decided to purchase some content from aaronM to launch a paysite... but now im kinda fucked for site design and traffic and that kind of stuff since i was relying a lot on some of that money for the mandy site.... i have a site made for her... but only 26 sets of photos and 6 short vids... if anyone has any suggestions i would appreciate it... im kinda stuck.... should i just launch the site and offer a lifetime membership or soemthing since i cant update it or? .... i know i can give the content toa content store but i kinda need the return fast then that... thanks Mike... __________________ I like turtles.

03-15-2005, 06:39 PM	#2
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	launch the site dude promote the fuck out of it don't offer trials make your money back i am lost, how is lightspeed involved with all this? i kind of got the jist, but am still lost...was lightspeed going to make her a lightspeed girl?

03-15-2005, 06:44 PM	#6
CybermedAndy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 4,170	Take the model and throw her off a cliff __________________ Add some upsell items to your pages here!

03-15-2005, 06:47 PM	#12
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	thanks for the advice guys __________________ I like turtles.

03-15-2005, 06:48 PM	#13
bringer i have man boobies Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: van down by the river Posts: 13,082	start a site and shuffle in bought content to stretch out the 26 pic sets as "friends" updates are updates and ive seen this work for a few sites __________________ 333-765-551

03-15-2005, 06:49 PM	#15
smack Push Porn Like Weight. Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Inside .NET Posts: 10,652	dude, launch the fucking site. don't let anything stand in the way of you and a good opprotunity. __________________ Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

03-15-2005, 06:49 PM	#16
tungsten Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,579	thats fucked up.. did the model sign the contract for the solo site? not sure if its usually done, i dont do paysites __________________ VOYEUR /HOMEMADE, HENTAI / CARTOON, Reality, Amateur, Shemale, Hardcore, Cuckold, Celebrity, Retro/Vintage, ect...ALL OUR SITES >> Unbelievable Ratio \| High % of Rebills \| Bi-Monthly Payments (also to E-Passporte) Ton's of EXCLUSIVE Free content & FHG's \|=> GREAT REVENUE $$$ GUARANTEED!

03-15-2005, 06:50 PM	#17
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	T-eaze...haha says: LOOK IM NOT GOING TO UPDATE UR SITE IM STILL SHOOTING WITH Lightspeed... u can do whatever u want with the content i couls care less..but i am going to let u know one thing a piece of friendly advice GOOD lUCK in this industry its a BITCH aint it baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says: no need to get so upset baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says: okay the thing is.. i can offer you the same deal steve has given you... he even suggested me to.... hes not going to shoot you baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says: i suggest you call huey and ask him T-eaze...haha says: im on the phone with him at the moment actually an dhave been for like 10 mins baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says: okay and whats he saying? baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says: lightspeed told me they arn't going to use you... T-eaze...haha says: the exact same thing i just told u T-eaze...haha says: look THIS doesnt concern u T-eaze...haha says: good luck with ur site baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says: actually it does concern me baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says: you were supposed to make a solo site baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says: and you flaked T-eaze...haha says: ur going to need it T-eaze...haha says: please dont call me T-eaze...haha says: anymore __________________ I like turtles.

03-15-2005, 06:52 PM	#21
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	im gonna go get some air, i'll check back in a little... been a really stessfull day.. thougha great learning experience... __________________ I like turtles.

03-15-2005, 06:53 PM	#22
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	Why not take the lower price as don't you get free camera shit then to do this all over with?

03-15-2005, 06:53 PM	#23
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	For the most part contracts will never do jack shit. If they break them and somehow you do get a judgement good luck seeing any of the money. If they are of the non-competition variety you better have damn good luck and attornies since it is near impossible to prevent someone of their lively hood.

03-15-2005, 06:55 PM	#25
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	site of the model www.adultforum.ca/skinnymandy its being re touched up by a nother designer __________________ I like turtles.

03-15-2005, 06:55 PM	#27
sean416 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,633	thats some fucked up shit, I would just launch the site and promote the hell out of it anyway you can. who cares about updates and shit. just try and make your money back. I know how much work, time and effort you put into this and to see it come to this really sucks. Good luck bro. __________________ ServerProvider.com

03-15-2005, 07:04 PM	#30
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	OK.. #1 your 40 hours of time I will give you $1000 credit for.. Plus expenses $3500 total. YOU SHOULD HAVE ACCEPTED THAT OFFER! The expenses for the cameras and lights are not one time useage. So you can't claim them as a loss on this project alone. In the future. GET EXCLUSIVE MODELS! Now... open the site, put up 16 sets and then 1 per week for 10 weeks. Then in the mean time, find another girl! Put her on the site too by week 6. Then make it known that Mandy is out and the other is going to take over. Walla.. done.

03-15-2005, 07:09 PM	#34
wtfent Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: San Diego, Cali. baby!!! Posts: 3,790	Sent you an ICQ

03-15-2005, 07:13 PM	#36
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	believe me at this point i would even take the 3500... right now i have a few grand worth of content coming over... but not even enough money to promote it etc.. i was just trying to negotiate what i thought was a fair price.... and then they just pulled the offer completely and gave me the cold shoulder... __________________ I like turtles.

03-15-2005, 07:15 PM	#38
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	That's what you get for dealing with flakey webcam sluts. Best of luck to ya. __________________

03-15-2005, 07:17 PM	#39
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	to be honest, i was a bit worried about posting this since i thought i would get flamed to death... nice to see everyone so supportive __________________ I like turtles.

03-15-2005, 07:20 PM	#41
pradaboy sell me your banners Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: on the tubes Posts: 12,931	sorry to hear you had a major bump in the road, Jace, Lee and bringer already put up some good ideas. I think you can still make your money back easily __________________ Media Buyer - Sell me your traffic! FREE to register domains... Better than 99% of the crap sold here!

03-15-2005, 07:26 PM	#44
bangman Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: PA, USA Posts: 5,283	You heard me on ICQ bro. You're a good guy, and like others have said, you will get up from this and maybe even laugh about it down the line. It's just how it goes. People are supportive because they have been through tough situations like this. __________________ - David Hall ICQ: 312744199

03-15-2005, 07:33 PM	#47
Young Bland for life Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,468	damn sonofsam hope everything works out for the best. next time head down to the local hottie hangout with a bunch of business cards. get them fresh and dumb. __________________ ★★★

03-15-2005, 07:38 PM	#48
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	If you have a full release, open the fucking site, or sell the content and make your money back, or at least some of it.

03-15-2005, 07:39 PM	#50
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	one thing i have to my advantage is my age..... i have access to a lot of 18 year old girls haha in fact recruited another girl today... exclusive... this time i'll get custom contracts __________________ I like turtles.