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Old 05-31-2004, 10:21 AM   #1
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Have my merchant account - dropping CCBill !

I got my merchant account last friday !

I will finally drop CCBill.. these fuking scrubbers.
I was sick of seing 40-65% of my sales refused.

Does anybody know a script that can target country/region upon IP addresses ? I will use this as an anti-fraud system.

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Old 05-31-2004, 10:22 AM   #2
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Who did you get your merchant account with
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Old 05-31-2004, 10:22 AM   #3
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they scrub for a reason...
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Old 05-31-2004, 10:25 AM   #4
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they scrub for a reason...
Are you sure ?


I have been 1 year with Verotel.
I got twice the sales I have now with CCBill and I got maximum 2-3 chargebacks in my entire year.

But I don't think Verotel will last ...That is why I decided to use my own merchant account.
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Old 05-31-2004, 10:27 AM   #5
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yup with the anti fraud system you are setting up you will have this merchant account for about 6 months
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Old 05-31-2004, 10:28 AM   #6
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Old 05-31-2004, 10:31 AM   #7
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Are you sure ?


I have been 1 year with Verotel.
I got twice the sales I have now with CCBill and I got maximum 2-3 chargebacks in my entire year.

how can you compare? Is it even during the same time period? And if so.. its not the # of sales you should check but the conversion ratio....

or you can compare the % of sales refused ....

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Old 05-31-2004, 10:41 AM   #8
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how can you compare? Is it even during the same time period? And if so.. its not the # of sales you should check but the conversion ratio....

or you can compare the % of sales refused ....
You are right: I am probably very stupid and I don't know how to compare. I have had steady numbers for 4 years but it probably doesn't mean anything right ? I'll drop the comparaisons: I am definately too stupid.


Exept for some stupid asses who wishes me the best.. is there anybody that can recommand me a script to locate geographical upon IP addresses ?
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Old 05-31-2004, 10:44 AM   #9
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I have had steady numbers for 4 years but it probably doesn't mean anything right ?
steady # for 4 years? for the same site...? lol You must not do high volume... or you get most of your sales from SE...
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Old 05-31-2004, 10:47 AM   #10
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http://www.maxmind.com/app/geoip_country

Add in browser language check to catch the AOL & other users the free version doesn't, or purchase the $50 version.
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Old 05-31-2004, 11:00 AM   #11
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who u use if not ccbill?
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Old 05-31-2004, 11:02 AM   #12
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http://www.maxmind.com/app/geoip_country

Add in browser language check to catch the AOL & other users the free version doesn't, or purchase the $50 version.

Great thanks !

Do you use this system ? Do you have ICQ ?

It's amazing to see how people with few posts are much more interresting than "established webmasters " here on this board
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I've been testing it and it seems fairly accurate. You can see some stats with a small sample of traffic here. I haven't had time to investigate the strange browser language entries yet.

You can hit me up on ICQ at 163893700, I'll be gone until this evening though.
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Old 05-31-2004, 11:33 AM   #14
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i have a simple geo target script wich im also using myself
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Old 05-31-2004, 11:47 AM   #15
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Try fraudscrub.com. BTW, who did you get your merchant account with?
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Old 05-31-2004, 12:04 PM   #17
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Old 05-31-2004, 03:07 PM   #19
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Old 05-31-2004, 03:11 PM   #20
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Start scrubbing all female names, and offcourse russians and other scum contries, That will stop 80% of all fraud

Thats so true , I worked for a company selling hardgoods and my boss didnt like to take cc from girls. lol
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Old 05-31-2004, 03:30 PM   #21
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I got my merchant account last friday !

I will finally drop CCBill.. these fuking scrubbers.
I was sick of seing 40-65% of my sales refused.

Does anybody know a script that can target country/region upon IP addresses ? I will use this as an anti-fraud system.
Note that he is ready to bash ccbill before he even knows of there is a script available that can do what he THINKS will work for fraud scrubbing, which is the theory of stopping fraud based on country location.

Say that there was a little white whore has been working for her charismatic pimp for years and got tired of the money she was giving up to the pimp...The pimp screened the clients so that she never had to see the woman beaters, killers, rapists, etc. etc. and the pimp only introduced her to the easy tricks who were good for their money and never beat a woman...

So now this little white hoe thinks that she's big time because her easy tricks tell her how good her pussy is. She thinks that she can make it out on her own on the streets of D.C. and decides to go independent..

But before the hoe even steps out on the streets on her own, she makes it known on the streets that her pimp ain't shit and that she dropped him...She's about to sell that good pussy of hers on her own..

And BY THE WAY....Would any of y'all know of a good restaurant that I can go to and try to pick up tricks that aren't mean?

It's a stupid question asked by a stupid white whore who doesn't even know the game like she THINKS she knows it but is too ignorant to know any better....

This seems to be you as you try to enter the world of merchant accounts and fraud scrubbing...And I still don't think you've answered people's question of WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR MERCHANT ACCOUNT?

That is a simple question that you fail to answer...

I......BVF.....HEREBY DECLARE THIS WHOLE TOPIC, THREAD, AND THREAD STARTER......BULLSHIT!

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Old 05-31-2004, 03:39 PM   #23
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Are you sure ?


I have been 1 year with Verotel.
I got twice the sales I have now with CCBill and I got maximum 2-3 chargebacks in my entire year.

But I don't think Verotel will last ...That is why I decided to use my own merchant account.
You should probably be alright unless your volume is high and you pay per signup.
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Old 05-31-2004, 03:46 PM   #24
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if u went with Mitch at Netbilling you should be ok.........unless your site(s) are rip off sites and are just asking for CB's
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Old 05-31-2004, 04:58 PM   #26
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I got my merchant account last friday !

I will finally drop CCBill.. these fuking scrubbers.
I was sick of seing 40-65% of my sales refused.

Does anybody know a script that can target country/region upon IP addresses ? I will use this as an anti-fraud system.
Weird that your scrub rate is 40 to 65%. I'm with CCBill and my declines are consistently about 9%, and about a third of them are declined rebills for such unavoidable and obvious reasons as expiry date passing or the cardholder address changing (they moved). In otherwords scrubbing is totally a non-issue for me with CCBill.

Is all your traffic from Russia or Indonesia or something?
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Old 05-31-2004, 05:02 PM   #27
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Note that he is ready to bash ccbill before he even knows of there is a script available that can do what he THINKS will work for fraud scrubbing, which is the theory of stopping fraud based on country location.

Say that there was a little white whore has been working for her charismatic pimp for years and got tired of the money she was giving up to the pimp...The pimp screened the clients so that she never had to see the woman beaters, killers, rapists, etc. etc. and the pimp only introduced her to the easy tricks who were good for their money and never beat a woman...

So now this little white hoe thinks that she's big time because her easy tricks tell her how good her pussy is. She thinks that she can make it out on her own on the streets of D.C. and decides to go independent..

But before the hoe even steps out on the streets on her own, she makes it known on the streets that her pimp ain't shit and that she dropped him...She's about to sell that good pussy of hers on her own..

And BY THE WAY....Would any of y'all know of a good restaurant that I can go to and try to pick up tricks that aren't mean?

It's a stupid question asked by a stupid white whore who doesn't even know the game like she THINKS she knows it but is too ignorant to know any better....

This seems to be you as you try to enter the world of merchant accounts and fraud scrubbing...And I still don't think you've answered people's question of WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR MERCHANT ACCOUNT?

That is a simple question that you fail to answer...

I......BVF.....HEREBY DECLARE THIS WHOLE TOPIC, THREAD, AND THREAD STARTER......BULLSHIT!

Case closed.
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Old 05-31-2004, 06:02 PM   #29
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It's amazing how many jealous non achievers webmasters there are on this board.

So many "very successfull webmasters" ( Well they think - or they'd like us to think - they are successfull because they have 1000S of post on GFY ) with so few interresting things to say !

98% of all you connoseurs are a bunch of clowns and I coudn't care less of your comments.

What about this moron with his" CASE CLOSED " How can someone consider himself so seriously ? Do you really think you mean something to me ? Or to anybody else here ? You are a clown like all the haters of your kind on this board.

No, I won't tell anyone what my sites are and I won't tell anyone who I got my merchant account with.

Thanks to the webmasters who had intelligent answers to give me. Like usual: 95% of shit but the 5% remaining is worth it.

Cheers.
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I started in this biz with my own merchant account, still have it and don't use it. Take that for what it's worth.
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Old 05-31-2004, 07:05 PM   #31
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It's amazing how many jealous non achievers webmasters there are on this board.

So many "very successfull webmasters" ( Well they think - or they'd like us to think - they are successfull because they have 1000S of post on GFY ) with so few interresting things to say !

98% of all you connoseurs are a bunch of clowns and I coudn't care less of your comments.

No, I won't tell anyone what my sites are and I won't tell anyone who I got my merchant account with.

Cheers.
So you want uniformed opinions?!?
Relax Francis... We are trying to help.

I recognize several very successful webmasters (by anyone's measuring stick) giving you their opinion.

Read BVF's post, it is right on the money.
"Pimp those white whores" - lol

The message is that webmasters get a merchant account then:
Fail to plan for fraud control
Fail to plan for affiliates
Fail to plan for charebacks
Fail to plan for customer service
Fail to pay affiliates or shave

If you have all of these things in check, then go for it!

40-65% refused is way outside the norm
You should look at your traffic quality, perhaps it is the only problem. CCbill won't process for a number of countries.

Just some friendly insight...
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Are you sure ?


I have been 1 year with Verotel.
I got twice the sales I have now with CCBill and I got maximum 2-3 chargebacks in my entire year.

But I don't think Verotel will last ...That is why I decided to use my own merchant account.
lol.. 2-3 Chargebacks for the whole year?

Let me guess, you know all 10 of your members personally?

I Bet this dude will be using CCBILL again within 6 months. Anyone want to bet?
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I started in this biz with my own merchant account, still have it and don't use it. Take that for what it's worth.
Why not? You like paying more? We started with third party, got our own merchant accounts and now only use third party as a backup.

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Old 03-11-2005, 09:15 PM   #34
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Well, well, well...

My anti-fraud system is set the way I wrote up here...
We are one year later and I still have my merchant account.
My chargebacks are around .25% and you...

EscortBiz...
Soul_Rebel...
Kimmykim...
BVF...
BV...
KC...

- strangely, people with 1000's of post here - are still morons. How funny it is to see that all these connoseur were wrong

What a bunch of idiots.
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Old 03-11-2005, 10:18 PM   #35
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Start scrubbing all female names, and offcourse russians and other scum contries, That will stop 80% of all fraud
i can back up this suggestion as well... over the years i can honestly say that at least 80% of our chargebacks have had female names associated w/ them, those fucking c*nts..

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Well, well, well...

My anti-fraud system is set the way I wrote up here...
We are one year later and I still have my merchant account.
My chargebacks are around .25% and you...

EscortBiz...
Soul_Rebel...
Kimmykim...
BVF...
BV...
KC...

- strangely, people with 1000's of post here - are still morons. How funny it is to see that all these connoseur were wrong

What a bunch of idiots.
Congratulations. As I read some of the responses telling you not to do it, and predicting it would be a failure.. I wondered if Mitch at Netbilling thought the same. I doubt it.
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Note that he is ready to bash ccbill before he even knows of there is a script available that can do what he THINKS will work for fraud scrubbing, which is the theory of stopping fraud based on country location.

Say that there was a little white whore has been working for her charismatic pimp for years and got tired of the money she was giving up to the pimp...The pimp screened the clients so that she never had to see the woman beaters, killers, rapists, etc. etc. and the pimp only introduced her to the easy tricks who were good for their money and never beat a woman...

So now this little white hoe thinks that she's big time because her easy tricks tell her how good her pussy is. She thinks that she can make it out on her own on the streets of D.C. and decides to go independent..

But before the hoe even steps out on the streets on her own, she makes it known on the streets that her pimp ain't shit and that she dropped him...She's about to sell that good pussy of hers on her own..

And BY THE WAY....Would any of y'all know of a good restaurant that I can go to and try to pick up tricks that aren't mean?

It's a stupid question asked by a stupid white whore who doesn't even know the game like she THINKS she knows it but is too ignorant to know any better....

This seems to be you as you try to enter the world of merchant accounts and fraud scrubbing...And I still don't think you've answered people's question of WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR MERCHANT ACCOUNT?

That is a simple question that you fail to answer...

I......BVF.....HEREBY DECLARE THIS WHOLE TOPIC, THREAD, AND THREAD STARTER......BULLSHIT!

Case closed.

Wow I wrote all that shit? I don't even remember this thread. I'm an eloquent muthafucka ain't I?
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Note that he is ready to bash ccbill before he even knows of there is a script available that can do what he THINKS will work for fraud scrubbing, which is the theory of stopping fraud based on country location.

Say that there was a little white whore has been working for her charismatic pimp for years and got tired of the money she was giving up to the pimp...The pimp screened the clients so that she never had to see the woman beaters, killers, rapists, etc. etc. and the pimp only introduced her to the easy tricks who were good for their money and never beat a woman...

So now this little white hoe thinks that she's big time because her easy tricks tell her how good her pussy is. She thinks that she can make it out on her own on the streets of D.C. and decides to go independent..

But before the hoe even steps out on the streets on her own, she makes it known on the streets that her pimp ain't shit and that she dropped him...She's about to sell that good pussy of hers on her own..

And BY THE WAY....Would any of y'all know of a good restaurant that I can go to and try to pick up tricks that aren't mean?

It's a stupid question asked by a stupid white whore who doesn't even know the game like she THINKS she knows it but is too ignorant to know any better....

This seems to be you as you try to enter the world of merchant accounts and fraud scrubbing...And I still don't think you've answered people's question of WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR MERCHANT ACCOUNT?

That is a simple question that you fail to answer...

I......BVF.....HEREBY DECLARE THIS WHOLE TOPIC, THREAD, AND THREAD STARTER......BULLSHIT!

Case closed.
Preach on brotha.
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But I don't think Verotel will last ...That is why I decided to use my own merchant account.
Sadly, two years ago I didn`t expect verotel to last, and have since missed a HUGE opportunity to own paysites.
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Verotel has been around awhile. I hear the rumors of them closing every year. How long do you think they'll continue to last ?
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Old 03-11-2005, 11:22 PM   #42
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CHMOD...

You can ICQ me if you want any advice, reccomendations, etc, i`ve done much of this stuff a few times. ;)

Don`t bother with too many of the replies in this thread - some are valid, but ALL can be over ridden.
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Old 03-11-2005, 11:25 PM   #43
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We use a system that calls user's phone # and they will have to enter a "confirmation code" before the credit card is actually charged, it does a great job
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Old 03-11-2005, 11:49 PM   #44
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We use a system that calls user's phone # and they will have to enter a "confirmation code" before the credit card is actually charged, it does a great job
"This is BLACK DUDES SHOVING HUGE BIG COCKS IN TIGHT WHITE PUSSY DOT COM calling to confirm your order of ONE MONTH ALL ACCESS PASS TO SHITFUCKING, could you please enter in your confirmation code so we can process your order in the most timely fashion?"
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Old 03-11-2005, 11:57 PM   #45
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So, can I have your ccBill account then... ?
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Old 03-12-2005, 12:05 AM   #46
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"This is BLACK DUDES SHOVING HUGE BIG COCKS IN TIGHT WHITE PUSSY DOT COM calling to confirm your order of ONE MONTH ALL ACCESS PASS TO SHITFUCKING, could you please enter in your confirmation code so we can process your order in the most timely fashion?"
God damn that was funny.
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Old 03-12-2005, 12:09 AM   #47
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Im very happy with ccbill ;)
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Old 03-12-2005, 12:16 AM   #48
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Old 03-12-2005, 01:01 AM   #49
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I have been using my merchant account for subscriptions since 1998 or 1999, cant remember which ...no problems...take that for what its worth

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I started in this biz with my own merchant account, still have it and don't use it. Take that for what it's worth.
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Old 03-12-2005, 02:40 AM   #50
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I have been 1 year with Verotel.
I got twice the sales I have now with CCBill and I got maximum 2-3 chargebacks in my entire year.
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My chargebacks are around .25% and you...
2 chargebacks = 800 sales = 70 monthly = 2 daily
3 chargebacks = 1200 sales = 100 monthly = 3 daily
So you did 2-3 sales at verotel and if that was twice the sales compared to ccbill, you did 1-2 sales per day with ccbill. Do you need a merchant for that?
CCbill real scrubbing is around 10%(the people who really dont come through), but you need more than 1-2 daily sales to achieve that.
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