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Old 03-09-2005, 05:36 PM   #51
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I 100% agree. I dont need to look at guys face nor hear this stupid comments
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Old 03-09-2005, 05:36 PM   #52
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Is that Toni from tonifreeland? If it is open it up to affiliates as I miss that sites conversions.


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Old 03-09-2005, 05:41 PM   #53
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Okay, actually THAT would be entertaining.

But nothing.... repeat: NOTHING... is worse that wanking to a film, you're almost there.... almost...... there...... the guy is really giving it to the hot porn babe from behind.... camera is just at the right angle..... you're about to pop a nut.... and then the fucking idiot retard of a camera guy pans up to show the guy's face. All is lost. Ten seconds goes by. Twenty. Buy the time the camera gets back to the action you're in the kitchen making coffee.


I hate that! Guys making the O face isn't hot to girls either. If it's not too much guy face shots then it's close-up shots of hairy ass cracks & saggy balls.

Have you ever heard anyone ask for more taint shots???
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Have you ever heard anyone ask for more taint shots???

Unfortunately....Yes.
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Old 03-09-2005, 05:44 PM   #55
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i agree with the talking....solo girl flicks or lesbian flicks are the best, cuz the cock is outta there completely, but even then some camera men keep on talking to the girl, and many of em also got this gay ass dirty voice, its fucked up!
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Does your opinion matter to those companies?

Hmm...Let's take a look at this for a moment.....


They are all Million collar companies who have gotten there by selling what they think the consumer will like.
Well let's take a look at mainstream. Obviously some big time execs at a big time studios thought Ishtar and Gigli were good ideas. I guess that makes them right.

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No you are a retard because you totally missed my point. YOU started with tht crapy attitude towards me so don't get all acting like a baby because you're getting some crap throw back at you. If you dish it you better well dam take it or STFU. Got it buddy?

Fcat is if people like me who don't like that crap knownthat XYZ studio almost always puts out that crap well people like me are not buying those movies. Now if ZZZ Studio NEVER makes movies with that crap I am certainly many times more likely to purchase their movies.

Now are you SERIOUSLY telling me a studio would LOSE more sales by taking out the talking and faces? Show me ONE straight guy that would NOT watch a movie solely because the guys in it didn't talk or show thier faces.

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Next? Are in the 6th grade? What's next some "Your momma is so......" jokes?
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I'd be tempted to outsource those particular shoots. But if coming through like a pro & taking care of your clients gets you to Hawaii every so often...
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I have heard similar comments many times from consumers. I always try to keep my talking as a cameraman to a minimum during the sex part of the scene even in a reality video shoot, unless the premise specifically calls for it.

As far as the male actor's face being so ubiquitous in movies- that can be easily explained. Most male talent (even the pros) in the porn biz have to jerk their cocks off furiously to come, and not necessarily with aid from the girl. And there is almost always a pause in the action on set for them to prepare to do this and work it up and maybe for the lights to be adjusted and the most logical cutaway shot from a wide angle with both people in the shot to make a seamless edit is to a tight shot of the guy's face. Then edit them together as a straight jump cut (not a pan) to bridge the gap from the tail end of what might have been six and a half minutes of cock-jerking to the moment before he is about to finally unload on her face. It's either that or a picture on the wall or something.

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Well let's take a look at mainstream. Obviously some big time execs at a big time studios thought Ishtar and Gigli were good ideas. I guess that makes them right.



No you are a retard because you totally missed my point. YOU started with tht crapy attitude towards me so don't get all acting like a baby because you're getting some crap throw back at you. If you dish it you better well dam take it or STFU. Got it buddy?

Fcat is if people like me who don't like that crap knownthat XYZ studio almost always puts out that crap well people like me are not buying those movies. Now if ZZZ Studio NEVER makes movies with that crap I am certainly many times more likely to purchase their movies.

Now are you SERIOUSLY telling me a studio would LOSE more sales by taking out the talking and faces? Show me ONE straight guy that would NOT watch a movie solely because the guys in it didn't talk or show thier faces.



Oh I'm crushed.



Next? Are in the 6th grade? What's next some "Your momma is so......" jokes?

Look....I'm in a shity mood and I misunderstood your remark about the bullshit thing so I became defensive and went on the attack myself. I've never had a problem with you and I really don't need one today.

I'm sorry. Soak it up.....It's not often that I feel an apology is deserved by me to anybody here.

Let's start over.

I understand exactly what you are saying. I agree with you for the most part.

Can we all do a group hug now?
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Old 03-09-2005, 06:03 PM   #62
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Totally agree
The way a movie is shot makes or breaks the surfers experience and the retention later on.
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Actually, Aaron is right. For one, the big porn companies, I mean the old-school BIG companies, have been producing porn loaded with "guy face" shots since the 70's, and probably even the 60's. Also, there certainly ARE clients who ask for specific, weird, fucked up shit all the time. But from my perspective, as a guy who has been watching porn since the 70's and who has fairly normal "average-guy" tastes, I would say that most (not all) average porn viewers agree with me. Showing the guy's face too much and having a lot of jabbering and laughing and yapping during the sex scenes is not the most preferred porn. No way anyone is going to convince me otherwise.

As for clients asking for that type of content, that's fine for them. My comments aren't addressed to those who have niche tastes who actually want that type of content. Of course there is a demand, and if you're marketing your stuff to that niche crowd more power to you. I'm talking about the porn samples you see on the really huge general-porn TGP's though... a lot of those galleries contain trailers chock full of the kind of crap I was originally referring to, and it IS being marketed to the masses, not niche-only.

And it basically sucks donkey cock. That's all.

You porn producers can take note of all the comments here agreeing with me, or you can ignore everything and keep your heads up your asses. No sweat off my firm tight yet hairy sack.
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I'd be tempted to outsource those particular shoots. But if coming through like a pro & taking care of your clients gets you to Hawaii every so often...

Actually, I have turned a lot of shit away that I wasn't interested in shooting.

However...Things are changing around here...Lotss of new services are starting to be offered.
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Actually, Aaron is right. For one, the big porn companies, I mean the old-school BIG companies, have been producing porn loaded with "guy face" shots since the 70's, and probably even the 60's. Also, there certainly ARE clients who ask for specific, weird, fucked up shit all the time. But from my perspective, as a guy who has been watching porn since the 70's and who has fairly normal "average-guy" tastes, I would say that most (not all) average porn viewers agree with me. Showing the guy's face too much and having a lot of jabbering and laughing and yapping during the sex scenes is not the most preferred porn. No way anyone is going to convince me otherwise.

As for clients asking for that type of content, that's fine for them. My comments aren't addressed to those who have niche tastes who actually want that type of content. Of course there is a demand, and if you're marketing your stuff to that niche crowd more power to you. I'm talking about the porn samples you see on the really huge general-porn TGP's though... a lot of those galleries contain trailers chock full of the kind of crap I was originally referring to, and it IS being marketed to the masses, not niche-only.

And it basically sucks donkey cock. That's all.

You porn producers can take note of all the comments here agreeing with me, or you can ignore everything and keep your heads up your asses. No sweat off my firm tight yet hairy sack.

Your comments may have been better off directed to the clients of the producers. The clients are the ones who call the shot and in a lot of cases, the client gets the raw tapes and edits them on their own. Therefore....It's the clients who are putting that shit in there...NOT the producers.

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My favorite is when the camera guys cell phone goes off.

Hello?
Hi Honey.
Yeah. Yeah. I'm shooting some great stuff here.
Uh huh.
Sure I'll stop for milk on the way home.
Talk to you later.
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Your comments may have been better off directed to the clients of the producers. The clients are the ones who call the shot and in a lot of cases, the client gets the raw tapes and edits them on their own. Therefore....It's the clients who are putting that shit in there...NOT the producers.
I suppose in some cases, yes, you're right. There are a lot of companies who hire producers (such as yourself) to provide their content. I was more speaking to the many many companies and individuals who produce their own content, and then market it to the masses.

Order one of those CD's from any big porn outfit, you know, the ones that say "7 hours of content!" etc? Chances are there will be scenes like those I've mentioned here no matter what company produced it. I honestly don't know why they insist on doing it, when judging by the overwhelming comments in this thread and the fact that I know of no guy who likes that kind of content, you'd think a few production outfits would "take note".

You know?
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I wait for the day when a hardcore shoot has even a dash of originality or even better, the performers don't act like two robots who know how to do nothing more than yank, suck and spew.

How about a little teasing, flirting before the clothes come off?
How about a kiss or two?
How about the two acting like they even like each other?

Hardcore is just b-o-r-i-n-g. Nuff said.
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I suppose in some cases, yes, you're right. There are a lot of companies who hire producers (such as yourself) to provide their content. I was more speaking to the many many companies and individuals who produce their own content, and then market it to the masses.

Order one of those CD's from any big porn outfit, you know, the ones that say "7 hours of content!" etc? Chances are there will be scenes like those I've mentioned here no matter what company produced it. I honestly don't know why they insist on doing it, when judging by the overwhelming comments in this thread and the fact that I know of no guy who likes that kind of content, you'd think a few production outfits would "take note".

You know?
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Look....I'm in a shity mood and I misunderstood your remark about the bullshit thing so I became defensive and went on the attack myself. I've never had a problem with you and I really don't need one today.

I'm sorry. Soak it up.....It's not often that I feel an apology is deserved by me to anybody here.

Let's start over.

I understand exactly what you are saying. I agree with you for the most part.

Can we all do a group hug now?
We cool. I am often "misunderstood". Not really your fault. Perhaps I need to articulate myself better. I tend to have a short fuse. When I feel like I'm being challenged I'm quick to pounce. Perhaps I need to work on my board manners. CDSmith explained my point the way I wanted to.
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We cool. I am often "misunderstood". Not really your fault. Perhaps I need to articulate myself better. I tend to have a short fuse. When I feel like I'm being challenged I'm quick to pounce. Perhaps I need to work on my board manners. CDSmith explained my point the way I wanted to.

And what about my request for a group hug?
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Great thread, this is why I only shoot my own extreme stuff. I know exactly what surfers want to see, I know the angles, the variety, and I know to keep my giggly mouth shut. I cannot believe the vast majority of stuff shot, must be shot by complete morons, who have fuckin clue what most people want to see.
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Never show the guys face during the money shot. And definitely don't ever show the guy for more than half a second. This is the biggest complaint 99% of men have with porn. That and bad music.
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Great thread, this is why I only shoot my own extreme stuff. I know exactly what surfers want to see, I know the angles, the variety, and I know to keep my giggly mouth shut. I cannot believe the vast majority of stuff shot, must be shot by complete morons, who have fuckin clue what most people want to see.
This is your idea of what "most" people want to see?

http://www.cheatingxxxwife.com/extremecash/index.html


Interesting.
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I agree with the the thread topic. I have to admit, I am guilty of some of this stuff myself. But if i want to hear talking during a scene it has to be degrading talk or something of a kinky nature. Laughing or joking around just sucks. I was going to use some gang bang plugins but I couldnt get past all the STUPID ass talking. if you're going to say something at least call the beyatch a dirty slut and make her say "thank you daddy" as you rail her. Otherwise it's just gay. Guys face in shot? GAY. Personally, they way meat holes talks it up is perfect.
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This is your idea of what "most" people want to see?

http://www.cheatingxxxwife.com/extremecash/index.html


Interesting.
OK you have a point, but I meant more the policy of not wasting filming time on useless shots, angles etc. Whether its filming to "your" softcock, sorry softcore needs or more hardcore needs.
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The most annoying is guys like the Bang Bros. vids where the camera guy is talking the entire time coaching on the guy/girl. He tells stupid jokes and his constant laughing is irritating as hell - thank god for the mute button.
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So I agree in 100%.Anyway I have to say that sometimes appear really unexpected situations during and you simply must to handle that some way.Like starting fucking noisy party in the house next to location you hired - happened to me about 3 weeks ago etc etc
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i agree, i cant stand the chuckling and general crap... i rather hear the girl and thats it.

nothing worst than listening to two chubby pornographers chuckle while fucking and filming.


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Some of the so-called "pornstars" out there look like they'd rather be having a fucking pedicure than getting banged by Studley Do-right. Disinterested sex is not entertaining.
Fucking priceless!!!

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But nothing.... repeat: NOTHING... is worse that wanking to a film, you're almost there.... almost...... there...... the guy is really giving it to the hot porn babe from behind.... camera is just at the right angle..... you're about to pop a nut.... and then the fucking idiot retard of a camera guy pans up to show the guy's face. All is lost. Ten seconds goes by. Twenty. Buy the time the camera gets back to the action you're in the kitchen making coffee.
**falls out of chair, feet kicking in the air with laughta**

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people that look more like they're just trying to fuck rather than make content. horrible cam angles, long long long long shots of the same thing that go on forever and the talking.
Yes. Some are terrible. Perhaps they film from the vantage point they like. Mlae's faces. I know when we film, we try and keep in mind what people actually like (i.e. the women). Not the ceiling fan, or the super pan shots, and all the other bullshit. Plus we keep idiots off the sets. Last thing we need is 'commentary'. We are not making documentaries here, nor ffilming their stand up routines.

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I agree on that as well..It kinda ruins my hardon when some dude is yapping away and I want to beat off
Yep. Between the options of a mute, or listening to Carrot Top. How fucking annoying.

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The barrier to entry when it comes to shooting content now is very low.
Amen brotha.

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Even worse than talking is excessive moaning and groaning by guys. I was watching this one video a while back. This guy just wouldn't shut the fuck up. Even louder than the chick. But i figure, hey, he's just a vocal kinda guy. But then it gets worse. He goes down on her. This is a one on one situation by the way, so there's nobody else involved, and this guy is moaning like he's getting his cock sucked and all he's doing is licking her out. I can understand a few "mmm" sort things, but you'd think this guy was having multiple orgasms. It's fucking silly.
Yes. Annoying. However, worse than that are these women who are trying to 'get into it' and howl and scream bloody murder when a dick/tongue/finger touches their clit and the decible level jumps a few thousand to the point of shattering glass.

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Talking is not nearly as bad as when the guy actor moans louder than the girl... wood killer for sure!
They get paid less, and should moan less. If there must be a guy in the shoot, remain silent. Fucking a.

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I agree with everything that's written in that rant.


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Bullshit. I watch porn. I lnow what I like I know what my friends like. I never met ANY guy( that'ss triahgt ) that said to me. "Hey they are showing too much pussy I want more camera time of that guys face!"


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I could do without the guy altogether. Give me realistic lesbian,strapon and dildo action anytime.
AMEN!!

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How about a little teasing, flirting before the clothes come off?
True enough.

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The most annoying is guys like the Bang Bros. vids where the camera guy is talking the entire time coaching on the guy/girl. He tells stupid jokes and his constant laughing is irritating as hell - thank god for the mute button.
He's practicing for his 2nd job as a stand up comedian.

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