m2mm

Let me tell one thing. If I not provided correct docs to Logan (with this four models) then Logan sell from modelperfect.com few sites with this models. In last 8 months. So, Logan sell unage content also?
Logan I sure you deleting this sets now Good luck!

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Dlya vseh Russkih webmasterov:
Spasibo za vashu pomosh'! Teper' ya tochno uveren - mi vsegda budem v govne s takoi vzaimoviruchkoi

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SureFire

Wow...

Donny

Just for shits and giggles and in a slightly different direction: if the model releases are in English but the model speaks only Russian what do you think a court would decide on legality? If the model doesn't know what she's signing, do you think a release will help you?

ModelPerfect

I'm just trying to do what I think is right. Thanks for your input.
And Mark, I hope you can understand why I had to post this.

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Very good point DP.

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Mark, I just sent you an email with "Suz's" ID and release.

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MyNameIsEmily

My vote goes to m2mm.

I'm a big fan of deviousness.

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Damn, Mark, I only just caught something you did. You said "Bella" and "Ella" are sisters and that they have different birthdates. You posted Ella's ID, but Bella's release. The reason the dates on the ids I have vs what you posted are different is that I have Bella's ID and Bella's release. 19.12.1984 birthdate and 30.02.02 release date. Did you do that on purpose?

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I didn't want to post the docs, but maybe I have to. They are zipped at:
http://www.modelperfect.com/gfy/domyphoto-ids.zip

Data:

BELLA (posted as Ella)
Birthdate: 19.12.1984
Release date: 30.02.02 (this date does not exist, but assume late Feb or early Mar)
Age: 17
Max possible age, if you rearrange numbers: 17

MARA
Birthdate: 04.04.1984
Release date: 29.01.02 (note: Mark posted one dated 09.01.02)
Age: 17
Max possible age, if you rearrange numbers: 17

SAKA
Birthdate: 13.08.1984
Release date: 05.06.02
Age: 17
Max possible age, if you rearrange numbers: 17

SUZ (Not the Suz Mark posted...maybe not even Suz at all)
Birthdate: 20.10.1986
Release date: 11.06.02
Age: 15
Max possible age, if you rearrange numbers: 16

APRIL
Birthdate: 01.10.1985
Release date: 11.02.03
Age: 17
Max possible age, if you rearrange numbers: 18

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ModelPerfect

I told you in our icq conversation, which was posted, that I never used any of these sets until just recently when I was going through the docs. I even went back through all the docs in all the sets I got from you and verified they are ok. I have never had and will never have illegal sets on modelperfect.com or any site for that matter. You know that, so quit trying to discredit me out of revenge. I felt I had to post what I found...That doesn't mean I have anything personal against you. There are just some things I take very seriously.

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m2mm

My end reply on this topic.

To all:
- if you want to see a correct documents of my models then contact me please: info @ domyphoto.com
- if you looking for fight then try other space for it. On GFY you can speak only.
- if you think I'm not right then ask me as much as you need (it not for Logan, sorry).
- if you think I use unage models then you should propose to thousands of webmasters to close them sites.
- if you think Logan doing help to all webmasters then say him 'thanks' please. But I think real man should try to fix problems itself first. Logan choosed way for ladies.

To Logan:
- try to find better producer and good luck in your business. I think much producers would like to work with you now!
- please find as much compromate for me as you can. But remember I have originals of all documents, so I feeling the comfort now. Use this time for work. It will be much better. Bye.

p.s. I have as many sales today, as I have not in last year. Thank you GFY!

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just a punk

There is no American English, since it's just some kind of slang. The only English is the UK English.

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just a punk

Post her Russian ID and the release here. I can read Russian so it will not be a prob. to compare the mentioned docs to say for sure: IS IT THE SAME GIRL, and WAS SHE UNDERAGE at the moment when she signed the fuckin' release. Why can't you post them here? If you don't want to show her ID to the GFY ppl. - just hit me on ICQ (see my profile).

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just a punk

What kind of support are you talking about? No one here told you are bad just because you are Russian. This discussion is all about the (possible!) underage contend you did sell. Also who exactly will be "v govne?" Do you mean all Russians, or those who sell the illegal content? Personally I'm not on Russian or non-Russian side there. As anyone else I just want to see the truth. Please don't turn this topic in trivial "World vs Russia" shit. I'm Russian as well, so I gonna send every Russian hater here to go fuck himself. But as I said already this is not a matter of this topic.

BTW, should I support a murderer, politician (the same shit as murderer) or cp-seller just because he is also Russian? Course this remark is not related to your case because I sincerely believe you are not guilty - perhaps some of your papers were accidentally mixed. I'm just trying to show you my position here.

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modF

cyberxxx: Hit me up on icq (2873411) I have most of the releases for the content in question as well as what was sent last night. You can read Russian, so you can tell us (me) what is what.

Anyone that can read Russian can hit me up too.

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dirtydesignz

This entire matter has nothing to do with you being Russian. Believe me, if you were American, you would be in some serious trouble at this point. Consider yourself lucky.

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LadyMischief

What does this have to do with COMPETITION? This is about absolutely disgusting documentation. That is a threat to ALL content producers, and it put the trust of webmasters in their content providers on shaky ground. Flush your head in a toilet or something and get a grip on reality. YOu fucked up HUGE. Even the HINT of the wrong docs, even if the girls are not underage, are going to be your undoing. THESE PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD EVEN A SINGLE ERROR, IT CAN MEAN JAILTIME. Quit while your ahead.


Wait, too late.

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Just hit your ICQ, but you seem offline...

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ModelPerfect

No, Mark...if you want to insinuate the docs I posted are false, post the "real" ones in this open forum. Let everyone decide for themselves. Don't send this off of GFY so you can make more excuses and try to change people's opinions without a peer review.

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ModelPerfect

He's just trying to divert attention...to try and list a motive I have, other than the truth, for posting this. This has nothing to do with competitors...
Mark, you told me you wanted to quite selling non-exclusive and wanted me to be your only seller...tell me how this thread helps me. The only thing this thread is trying to accomplish is doing what I think is right.

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dirtydesignz

I'm sure that all his docs are getting a good going over right now

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Yeah, no kidding.

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holy feck is this still going on...

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just a punk

Just looked over the docs from domyphoto-ids.zip. Ok, here we go:

1) April (Nalalia) was born on 10/01/1985*
her release was signed on 11/02/2003*

2) Ella (Bella) was born on 12/19/1984*
her release was signed on 30/02/2002*

3) Mara (Marina) was born on 04/04/1984*
her release was signed on 29/01/2002*

4) Saka (Ekaterina) was born on 08/13/1984*
her release was signed on 05/06/2002*

5) Suz (Alena) was born on 10/20/1986*
her release was signed on 11/06/2002*

*all dates above in US format.

m2mm: The situation is not good at all... Mlya, posle takih veshey Russkie deystvitel'no budut i dal'sh v govne nahoditsya. Dogadyvaeshsia pochemu? IMHO dazhe tupoy mozet ot vychest' 1986 iz 2002. I o kakoy podderzhke ty govoril??? Eto ved' ne tol'ko v shtatah stat'ya, za takie veshi i u nas posadit' mogut. Hotya, cto mne tebe rasskazyvat'...

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bump for answers from m2mm

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just a punk

Just a remark about #5 (2) (Bella). Here is a real mistake because her release was signed on 02/30/2002 but course not on 30/02/2002. I.e. the date on release was in Russian/European format (not in US one). However she still was 17yo according to the dates.

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ModelPerfect

And there's no such thing as Feb 30th...Even on leap years, Feb only has 29 days. That's why I was assuming it was either Feb 28-29 or Mar 1-2.

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dirtydesignz

Well, here is the kicker...there is NO SUCH date. The second month of the year has no day 30......so obviously it is completely wrong no matter how you look at it.

Yea...what he said above

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just a punk

Agreed. Personally I've missed this point when I was comparing the dates. So it's just an another smelly fish to the pile

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just a punk

m2mm: vot ty prosil, chtob ModelPerfect doki zapostil, i on eto sdelal. Sam ved' vidish, chto tam hernya polnaya. Ty uzh ob'yasnis' pered narodom. Inache ty real'no vseh podstavliyaesh - i svoih pokupateley, i russkih voobshe. Ty zhe sam ved' chto-to tam pro govno govoril...

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Phoenix66

Actually I caugth myself several times messing up dates like that. I mean when I write all dates in one format, but in some cases forgot and use other.

That's why I always use text name of the months in Releases and Agreements. Like that "Jan-09-2003". It can't be misred.

I must confirm that year in Saka release really looks like 2003, not 2002. It's just that lower part of 3 is not visible because of underline. That's the reason why I print the dates when possible or type them.

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just a punk

That's why I like to buy the content from Phoenix66 (I mean photobyag.com). It's not a PR, just a remark ;)

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Phoenix66

However some other ID's and releases provided by m2mm to ModelsPerfect are really very questionable...

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ModelPerfect

Yeah...he's cool.

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andrej_NDC

Its legal, but honestly, I think he would be fired if they found out in the school.

FightThisPatent

ModelPerfect,

I understand your concerns about wanting to get the docs right, in light of CURRENT 2257 as well as proposed new regulations, you need to be sure you are dealing in content that is legal.

I checked out your site really quickly, and the irony is that you seem to have some good concerns for 2257, but you haven't followed those concerns with your own website.

http://www.modelperfect.com/categori...y=masturbation

You have a picture of a girl masturbating (hence the category) and in another category, 2 people engaging in the nasty business. 2257 states that any display or depiction of "sexually explicit" material.. such as masturbation, needs to have 2257 references.

Unless i missed something, you don't have the 2257 compliance information posted on your website, that points to where the records are stored (ie. your company address or the content producers you carry - and a PO box won't suffice and i am not referring to having the model IDs at this point, just the fact that business location needs to be described).

I am pointing this out , not to single you out, but to illustate to all webmasters, that you don't have to wait for the new 2257 regs to come out to worry about 2257 compliance, you should deal with it now, since 2257 has been on the books for around 10 years.

Something as simple as not displaying the company address for where the 2257 info is stored or acquired from, when you show "sexually explicit" material on your webpage, is an obvious "low hanging fruit" company that could be easily picked off by DOJ. Granted, there have been no major busts.. but given limited amount of resources, it would seem easy for them to pick out companies that have failed to comply with sections of 2257 that won't be contestable to Supreme Court (ie. some of the new regulations are very questionable).


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He already said that he teaches martial arts.

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Alex

Yea good job. No its okay, it brings out the best of a person when the side with the underage photographer.

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Transaltion:

For all the russian webmasters.
Thank you for your help. Now i really now, we will always be in shit with these ______

I cant get that last word.

But dont blame this on being russian, blame it on yourself for messing up the resleases.

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http://www.modelperfect.com/legalities.asp

"Legal Information" in the menu on the left side.

FightThisPatent

Yes, he put those up after I pointed it and sent me an ICQ that he updated his site.


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Ahh, I see that now.

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:h...legalities.asp

just a punk

The word "_____" means "brotherhood" ;) Personally I would always be happy to support any Russian webmaster who will be blamed for his nationality. I hate any form of racism, nationalism and national discrimination. But actually it's not the case... I didn't see any message where m2mm was blamed for being Russian.

P.S. I'm Russian too.

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FightThisPatent

For those that produce content, you need to have a signed Model release as well as a copy of the identification documents (ie. passport) AT THE TIME of the shoot.

Each time you shoot a model, you need this info, EVEN IF ITS THE SAME MODEL that you shoot the next week.

You are establishing the photo shoot as the productive work and the required documentation that goes with it to prove proof of age.

So if you had a model that you shoot once a month for a year, then you would end up having 12 diffent pieces of documentation for that photo shoot.

inbetween the time you shot the girl, her hair color could be different, she could have added a new stage name, got married, etc. This information is what gets captured.

So if the photo shoot was 2 years ago and the date of the model release is more recent, there is something very wrong with that.

In what has been presented here, a model could be underage (ie. 17) at time of production and no documents were collected, and then a year later, the model release was signed and the ID shows she is 18 now.. the issue is at the time the images were taken, the girl was underage.. and that's the issue that U.S. law is very specific about, because a child was exploited sexually via the photographs.

Traci Lords is the similar situation that triggered 2257 because she was underaged at the time of production, but when this was found out, she was over 18....

This is all very U.S.-centric.. and many international content producers may not be concerned because in some European countries, 16-17 is legal.

The issue then is for webmaster who are going to use this content (and which probably the models look very young to begin with), will have to be sure that they models are over 18... because young looking models will be the first thing that gets law enforcement attention to start asking the simple question of , where did you get these images from? For which you will need to be able to point them to your source who needs to be available to provide proof of age, otherwise, you, the webmaster with those young looking images, could face jail time.

Content Producers will most likely not give you photo ID (they are not required to and it's a serious security and privacy issue to do so). Some may give you blackened out ID showing birthdate.. but that's not going to hold up in court. If the content producer can't prove the age with credible looking documentation, then the crosshairs could come back to you.

Get your content from credible sources, ones that are looking to be around for the long term, such that in case you get a knock on the door, you can point law enforcement to the content producer, who should be able to easily provide correct documentation to get you off the hook.

This issue of 2257 and obscenity is a time-bomb... be sure to know who you are dealing with when it comes to getting content.

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Ditto, where from?

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Yeah I can confirm that I did add the Custodian of Records after his post and icq'd him a thank him for pointing it out.

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wow, big thread here. major shit

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