C&D letter legendary lars read this please. - GoFuckYourself.com

Wolfy · 01-10-2005, 10:24 PM

Lars, is this something that is on my site or are they on the cobranded site? lemme know if I have to actually hunt thourh my fhg's to find this shit please

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SUBJECT: Cease and Desist From Illegal Use Of My Client?s Images

TO: Lars Mapstead; Streamray, Inc.; and the owners and operators of the websites: XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX

Magg · 01-10-2005, 10:31 PM

if it wasnt delivered via certified letter, than pfffff

Wolfy · 01-10-2005, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Magg

if it wasnt delivered via certified letter, than pfffff

really? this is my first, I'm not too worried about it but I would like to face a firing squad with knowledge, if not a vest.

Wolfy · 01-10-2005, 11:05 PM

any other comments from the gallery?

emthree · 01-10-2005, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfy

any other comments from the gallery?

Wolfy · 01-10-2005, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by emthree

Steen2 · 01-10-2005, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Magg

if it wasnt delivered via certified letter, than pfffff

C&Ds are delivered by real companies with real lawyers via email daily. Hell, eBay's is automated!

Jace · 01-10-2005, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Magg

if it wasnt delivered via certified letter, than pfffff

you got that right

if there is no official certified stamp on the official envelope, then fuck them

gena lee nolin's lawyer called me once about a verbal cease and desist...my wife freaked out...haha...

but fact is, until you receive something at your doorstep that is marked either official or ceritifed, then don't do shit

note: i am not a laywer or legal professional

Steen2 · 01-10-2005, 11:46 PM

Sorry Jace, but I would say that is pretty bad advice.

However, I too am not a lawyer and this is most definately legal advice.

Always see a lawyer ;)

Jace · 01-10-2005, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Steen2

C&Ds are delivered by real companies with real lawyers via email daily. Hell, eBay's is automated!

check your laws dude.....seriously...hire a laywer...figure out what laws mean what and what your rights are...you would be suprised

if a lawyer is going to contact you with a c-n-d....you will get a knock on your door with a certified letter

otherwise, ignore it.....that is what I did with gena lee nolin for her sex tape....and I never heard from them again

note: i am not a laywer or legal professional

Wolfy · 01-10-2005, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JaceXXX

you got that right

if there is no official certified stamp on the official envelope, then fuck them

gena lee nolin's lawyer called me once about a verbal cease and desist...my wife freaked out...haha...

but fact is, until you receive something at your doorstep that is marked either official or ceritifed, then don't do shit

note: i am not a laywer or legal professional

but you sure do spell good for someone drinking straight whiskey

Jace · 01-10-2005, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Steen2

Sorry Jace, but I would say that is pretty bad advice.

However, I too am not a lawyer and this is most definately legal advice.

Always see a lawyer ;)

c&d's are almost never legally sent out via email..if they are they are bogus...shit, I DO THEM ALL THE TIME for companies stealing my paysites content

granted, they work great, cause not many people want to even play....but still....GET A LAWYER FOR YOURSELF

HIRE A LAWYER if you are that worried

stop coming to GFY for legal advice

Jace · 01-10-2005, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfy

but you sure do spell good for someone drinking straight whiskey

yeah, i re-read everything i post before I post it....i am OCD that way

i just mispelled 15 things in this post...but i corrected the mistakes

Jace · 01-10-2005, 11:51 PM

this is the original letter that I got mine from

it SCARES the fuck out of people

http://www.utsystem.edu/ogc/intellec...ract/cease.htm

Quote:

Dear [name]:

It has come to my attention that you have made an unauthorized use of my copyrighted work entitled [name of work] (the "Work") in the preparation of a work derived therefrom. I have reserved all rights in the Work, first published in [date], [and have registered copyright therein]. Your work entitled [name of infringing work] is essentially identical to the Work and clearly used the Work as its basis. [Give a few examples that illustrate direct copying.]

As you neither asked for nor received permission to use the Work as the basis for [name of infringing work] nor to make or distribute copies, including electronic copies, of same, I believe you have willfully infringed my rights under 17 U.S.C. Section 101 et seq. and could be liable for statutory damages as high as $150,000 as set forth in Section 504(c)(2) therein.

I demand that you immediately cease the use and distribution of all infringing works derived from the Work, and all copies, including electronic copies, of same, that you deliver to me, if applicable, all unused, undistributed copies of same, or destroy such copies immediately and that you desist from this or any other infringement of my rights in the future. If I have not received an affirmative response from you by [date give them about 2 weeks] indicating that you have fully complied with these requirements, I shall take further action against you.

Very truly yours,

Steen2 · 01-10-2005, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JaceXXX

c&d's are almost never legally sent out via email..if they are they are bogus...shit, I DO THEM ALL THE TIME for companies stealing my paysites content

granted, they work great, cause not many people want to even play....but still....GET A LAWYER FOR YOURSELF

HIRE A LAWYER if you are that worried

stop coming to GFY for legal advice

eBay sends a C&D out via an automated system after a domain with the mark "ebay" in it is registered. I am sure those are bogus.

PS: I am not the one requesting legal advice from GFY.

emthree · 01-10-2005, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Steen2

C&Ds are delivered by real companies with real lawyers via email daily. Hell, eBay's is automated!

haha I remember getting one of those

Jace · 01-10-2005, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by emthree

haha I remember getting one of those

damn, i feel left out...i want an ebay c&d

emthree · 01-10-2005, 11:58 PM

Wolfy ~ Note: these guys are not telling you, NOT to comply.

Sometimes email letters along those lines are a "level 1" scare tatic.
I'm sure if they continue to have problems, it will be taken further from there.

Sometimes email letters along those lines are a "level 1" scare tactic.
I'm sure if they continue to have problems, it will be taken further from there.

IMHO You're better off emailing them, or contacting them on ICQ.

Jace · 01-11-2005, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by emthree

Wolfy ~ Note: these guys are not telling you, NOT to comply.

Sometimes email letters along those lines are a "level 1" scare tatic.
I'm sure if they continue to have problems, it will be taken further from there.

Sometimes email letters along those lines are a "level 1" scare tactic.
I'm sure if they continue to have problems, it will be taken further from there.

IMHO You're better off emailing them, or contacting them on ICQ.

i did sit on the phone with gena lee nolin's laywer for almost 15 minutes and tell him my address and business name...then talk to him about what he need for me to comply...for almost 15 minutes...

and from the advice from my lawyer, I never did

and I never heard from him again....in fact, after that phone convo there were about 100 more GLN pages that popped up less than 2 weeks later

BUT HIRE A LAWYER, STOP ASKING FOR LEGAL ADVICE ON GFY

Wolfy · 01-11-2005, 12:05 AM

I'm actually so woried about this email that I am going to read more than the first paragraph by tomorrow night, I am almost positive. I think. Actually I may just forward it to a few people and see what they say about it.

GFY is a sounding board for me, not a church. If I really thought this letter was serious, I would never ask anyone for advice besides my lawyer - however, my lawyer charges $50 just for me to call and ask if she's available, so I tend to make my own calls on most stuff.

I do appreciate the "get a lawyer" replies though, it realy shows that some people on here care and would rather help someone out than look like they know what they are talking about.

The main place i promote LL is through the cobrand, so I'm more interested in if LL has something to say about this (such as "Don't worry Wolfy, I got it handled!"). We shall see :D

sharpx9 · 01-11-2005, 12:12 AM

Jace · 01-11-2005, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfy

I'm actually so woried about this email that I am going to read more than the first paragraph by tomorrow night, I am almost positive. I think. Actually I may just forward it to a few people and see what they say about it.

GFY is a sounding board for me, not a church. If I really thought this letter was serious, I would never ask anyone for advice besides my lawyer - however, my lawyer charges $50 just for me to call and ask if she's available, so I tend to make my own calls on most stuff.

I do appreciate the "get a lawyer" replies though, it realy shows that some people on here care and would rather help someone out than look like they know what they are talking about.

The main place i promote LL is through the cobrand, so I'm more interested in if LL has something to say about this (such as "Don't worry Wolfy, I got it handled!"). We shall see :D

$50????? um....can i have her info if she is a reputable internet attorney? WOW...$50???

shit, mine charges $300 just to initiate ANYTHING

ronaldo · 01-11-2005, 12:22 AM

CONGRATS!!!

You're not a playa' until you receive your first C&D.

Wolfy · 01-11-2005, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JaceXXX

$50????? um....can i have her info if she is a reputable internet attorney? WOW...$50???

shit, mine charges $300 just to initiate ANYTHING

I said $50 to call the office and ask if she is there.

I should mention that if she is there, that's another $20, and if I actually want to talk to her that's good for $75. If, by chance, she picks up the phone within 3 minutes I get whacked $26, if she is pleasant on the phone (which she always is) I see an additional $42 on the bill. Now, if I want to speak while she is holding the phone, we immediately go to current phone sex rates multiplied by a random number, 2-45. I got lucky once and hit a 6.

Yeah, i'll hook you up with her. I haven't come up with the money yet to ask if I can get a referal fee though, so it might take a bit

psyko514 · 01-11-2005, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JaceXXX

yeah, i re-read everything i post before I post it....i am OCD that way

i just mispelled 15 things in this post...but i corrected the mistakes

haha... i do the same. even when i'm tanked, i make sure i'm typing properly.

Jace · 01-11-2005, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by psyko514

haha... i do the same. even when i'm tanked, i make sure i'm typing properly.

gotta type properly...cause in the morning you have to look back on the damage and understand it

Theo · 01-11-2005, 02:17 AM

Possible it will get delivered by postal too. It takes more time than an email to arrive. Ignoring C&D sent by email is stupid since anyone can sue you without any warning and be assured you'll find it out by certified mail in that case.

MBS Auto · 01-11-2005, 02:18 AM

wow....

Wolfy · 01-11-2005, 08:21 AM

does Lars surf this board?

Pete-KT · 01-11-2005, 08:23 AM

That sucks

XxXotic · 01-11-2005, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfy

I said $50 to call the office and ask if she is there.

I should mention that if she is there, that's another $20, and if I actually want to talk to her that's good for $75. If, by chance, she picks up the phone within 3 minutes I get whacked $26, if she is pleasant on the phone (which she always is) I see an additional $42 on the bill. Now, if I want to speak while she is holding the phone, we immediately go to current phone sex rates multiplied by a random number, 2-45. I got lucky once and hit a 6.

gotta love that lawyer math

Hinc · 01-11-2005, 09:09 AM

Hmmm...i seem to have missed the point - why did he send a C&D if youre using sponsorcontent to promote his program?

Wolfy · 01-11-2005, 09:19 AM

I didn't get the C&D from Lars, it apparently was sent to Lars, Me, and a few other people from some bimbos manager or boyfriend or something.

Wizzo · 01-11-2005, 09:36 AM

Sounds like a Camgirl got a boyfriend... haha

tigerallenyim · 01-11-2005, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JaceXXX

c&d's are almost never legally sent out via email..if they are they are bogus...shit, I DO THEM ALL THE TIME for companies stealing my paysites content

granted, they work great, cause not many people want to even play....but still....GET A LAWYER FOR YOURSELF

HIRE A LAWYER if you are that worried

stop coming to GFY for legal advice

Agreed. It's always kewl to get a feel of what people have to say here on GFY. But legal stuff should be handled by your representative. Yes, I know there are costs for consultation, but if it is important to you. You'll not only seek the advice from your lawyer, but find ways to ensure that something like this does not happen again; or even better yet, work a deal so that it won't cost ya a lot every time you see ur lawyer. best of luck

BVF · 01-11-2005, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

i did sit on the phone with gena lee nolin's laywer for almost 15 minutes and tell him my address and business name...then talk to him about what he need for me to comply...for almost 15 minutes...

and from the advice from my lawyer, I never did

and I never heard from him again....in fact, after that phone convo there were about 100 more GLN pages that popped up less than 2 weeks later

BUT HIRE A LAWYER, STOP ASKING FOR LEGAL ADVICE ON GFY

Yeah I got a C&D from Muhammad Ali's Lawyer some years ago because I own muhammadali.org . The lawyer said that I would get an autographed picture of the champ in return for the domain name. I told him to fuck off and that was the last I heard of them and I still own the domain.

seven · 01-11-2005, 10:02 AM

I got C&D's in 97 when I was a newbie from playboy and victoria's secret cos I was clueless enough to get domain names with those keywords. And I did C&D'ed ie. transferred the domain names over to them. If it's only some stupid gallery, just remove them cos that'll be way more cheaper than to even see a lawyer unless you're quite definite you are not infringing on any copyr.

Wolfy · 01-11-2005, 10:03 AM

just for the hell of it...my question is, are these galleries on my site or are they on the cobrand?

erehwon · 01-11-2005, 10:16 AM

Oh well, I have the Streamray cobrand, no C&D letter via U.S. Mail or e-mail, something else to be on the lookout for...

My lawyer loves my C&D letters, she critiques them, tries to guess what college their lawyer went to, if it was canned.

JMM · 01-11-2005, 11:00 AM

If you received a C & D, you should talk to a lawyer, regardless of how it was delivered to you.

You should rarely take advice from the mental midgets who frequent GFY.

And, FYI, the copyright holder has NO LEGAL OBLIGATION to even send you a C & D. Upon discovering infringement, they could simply sue you. Your first notice would not be a C & D, but rather a summons notifying you that you have been sued.

C & D's are usually sent as a courtesy to 1. Stop the infringement and 2. Faciliatate a quick and inexpensive resolution.

You should get a lawyer and let him/her advise you as to how to proceed.

tranza · 01-11-2005, 11:13 AM

I wonder how many of those letters Lars send daily...

Tat2Jr · 01-11-2005, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Wizzo

Sounds like a Camgirl got a boyfriend... haha

Wolfy · 01-11-2005, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tranza

I wonder how many of those letters Lars send daily...

I give up.

01-10-2005, 10:24 PM	#1
Wolfy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 3,574	C&D letter legendary lars read this please. Lars, is this something that is on my site or are they on the cobranded site? lemme know if I have to actually hunt thourh my fhg's to find this shit please quote: SUBJECT: Cease and Desist From Illegal Use Of My Client?s Images TO: Lars Mapstead; Streamray, Inc.; and the owners and operators of the websites: XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX

01-10-2005, 11:46 PM	#9
Steen2 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 7,662	Sorry Jace, but I would say that is pretty bad advice. However, I too am not a lawyer and this is most definately legal advice. Always see a lawyer ;) __________________ ICQ: 2262.73945

01-10-2005, 11:58 PM	#18
emthree Dialer Kingpin Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New York Posts: 10,816	Wolfy ~ Note: these guys are not telling you, NOT to comply. Sometimes email letters along those lines are a "level 1" scare tatic. I'm sure if they continue to have problems, it will be taken further from there. Sometimes email letters along those lines are a "level 1" scare tactic. I'm sure if they continue to have problems, it will be taken further from there. IMHO You're better off emailing them, or contacting them on ICQ. __________________ • Sell Patches & Pills •

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Magg Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: ICQ: 132497047 Posts: 4,467	if it wasnt delivered via certified letter, than pfffff

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01-11-2005, 12:05 AM	#20
Wolfy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 3,574	I'm actually so woried about this email that I am going to read more than the first paragraph by tomorrow night, I am almost positive. I think. Actually I may just forward it to a few people and see what they say about it. GFY is a sounding board for me, not a church. If I really thought this letter was serious, I would never ask anyone for advice besides my lawyer - however, my lawyer charges $50 just for me to call and ask if she's available, so I tend to make my own calls on most stuff. I do appreciate the "get a lawyer" replies though, it realy shows that some people on here care and would rather help someone out than look like they know what they are talking about. The main place i promote LL is through the cobrand, so I'm more interested in if LL has something to say about this (such as "Don't worry Wolfy, I got it handled!"). We shall see :D

01-11-2005, 12:12 AM	#21
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01-11-2005, 12:22 AM	#23
ronaldo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ICQ#: 272000271 Posts: 5,475	CONGRATS!!! You're not a playa' until you receive your first C&D.

01-11-2005, 02:17 AM	#27
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Possible it will get delivered by postal too. It takes more time than an email to arrive. Ignoring C&D sent by email is stupid since anyone can sue you without any warning and be assured you'll find it out by certified mail in that case.

01-11-2005, 08:21 AM	#29
Wolfy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 3,574	does Lars surf this board?

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Pete-KT Workin With The Devil Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 51,532	That sucks

01-11-2005, 09:19 AM	#33
Wolfy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 3,574	I didn't get the C&D from Lars, it apparently was sent to Lars, Me, and a few other people from some bimbos manager or boyfriend or something.

01-11-2005, 09:36 AM	#34
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01-11-2005, 10:03 AM	#38
Wolfy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 3,574	just for the hell of it...my question is, are these galleries on my site or are they on the cobrand?

01-11-2005, 10:16 AM	#39
erehwon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: A secure undisclosed location... Posts: 3,759	Oh well, I have the Streamray cobrand, no C&D letter via U.S. Mail or e-mail, something else to be on the lookout for... My lawyer loves my C&D letters, she critiques them, tries to guess what college their lawyer went to, if it was canned. __________________ Money NEVER $leep$...

01-11-2005, 11:00 AM	#40
JMM Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,755	If you received a C & D, you should talk to a lawyer, regardless of how it was delivered to you. You should rarely take advice from the mental midgets who frequent GFY. And, FYI, the copyright holder has NO LEGAL OBLIGATION to even send you a C & D. Upon discovering infringement, they could simply sue you. Your first notice would not be a C & D, but rather a summons notifying you that you have been sued. C & D's are usually sent as a courtesy to 1. Stop the infringement and 2. Faciliatate a quick and inexpensive resolution. You should get a lawyer and let him/her advise you as to how to proceed.

01-11-2005, 11:13 AM	#41
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	I wonder how many of those letters Lars send daily... __________________ I'm just a newbie.