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Methodcash Rick · 11-03-2004, 03:09 PM

Why am I proud to be an American? It is for a variety of reasons, but basically they come down to one word. Freedom. We are free to do lots of things and we are free to not do these things also.

As Americans we can disagree. The government does not persecute us because we disagree with its stand on an issue. Nine people can now be running for the office of president and they do not have to worry about what this will cost them by the government. This does not mean that we cannot as individuals and organizations choose to buy from other places or not purchase certain products. We can choose as individuals to buy only those products that share our opinion is part of our freedom. Just as people can choose to not buy Dixie Chicks CDs today, we could choose in the 60s not to buy grapes from non-unionized farms, in the 60s, and 70s we could choose not to do business with companies doing business in South Africa. Each is a free choice.

We can worship God as we want. As long as our worship services do not harm others we are free to worship or not to worship in the way we choose. Look around at the times and days of various worship services. We have groups that worship on Sunday, ones that worship on Saturday (Christian and Jewish) and varieties n between. Not only do we have this freedom to worship in ways that we choose, but we are just as free to choose not to worship at all. We allow people to worship as Christians, Jews, Moslems, Hindus, etc. in our nation. We allow those with differing religious beliefs to worship freely. Moslems can freely and openly worship Allah in the USA, although there are countries in the world that do not allow Christians to freely and openly worship God. We do not have to be a member of a certain church to be in the government. Before the revolution, in certain parts of the colonies you had to belong the Episcopal Church or in England to the Church or England.

We are free to travel. We are free to travel wherever we want in our country and most parts of the world. This means that I have been able to visit 48 out of 50 states. We do not have to get the government's permission to travel within the USA. I can choose to go to Washington DC next weekend, or the state of Washington or Washington, Georgia. Or I can choose to not travel. In many other parts of the world this freedom does not exist as the fear is of people learning about others. I can visit rich sections or poor sections of the USA. We also believe in personal property rights, so this does not mean I can just go on any land at any time with out the owner's permission.

We can choose to vote for, or not vote, our representatives. We have a voice in our representative republic. It is amazing to watch the rest of the world and watch such large numbers of people go to so much trouble to vote, walking long distances, etc., and realize that in our country so few choose to vote when it is so easy. However there is no requirement we must vote as in some places, and we do have a choice. Does that mean the choice I make will always win? No. But I am included in the process here.

This is the most beautiful and varied nation I have seen. This is not to say that there are not more beautiful specific locations in other countries, but overall this country is most beautiful. To date I have visited four other countries and hope to visit at least one more in the next year or two.

This is a nation that people do things to help others. It is a nation of individualists, but also people willing to help those who need help. When disasters hit, whether here or elsewhere in the world, people step forth willing to give to help people recover from the disaster. This can be their time, talents or money.

Education is available to all. We can choose to pursue a new direction of education at various times in our lives. In some parts of the country this education is practically at no cost to us. We don't just have private or parochial schools for the rich or religious, but we feature also public schools for all children and people for all levels from pre-K through post-doctorate. The government runs these schools and tries to give opportunities to all. We can even disagree with what is being taught. It is our choice also whether to attend these government run school or to attend non-government run schools or we can educate our children at home. However we believe strongly in education. I am glad we have the freedom to pursue our education in areas of our choosing, within the limits of our abilities. This means that in junior high school a decision was not made that I would be a certain trade for life. That I could choose in 1977 and in 1983 to pursue different graduate degrees. We worry about functional literacy in the USA while many parts of the world are still worried about literacy. We can choose our career.

We work to feed our people. We have people that are hungry and that may not get balanced diets, but it is very rare for a person to starve in the USA and that is usually their choosing or where it was others doing. We have stop gap feeding systems from government, to religious to private organizations. We feed our children in public schools. We are trying to make all people receive the adequate meals, but in some many other parts of the world they still literally starve and we as a people, organizations and government are doing things to try to help in those places also.

We can freely contact our leaders and agree or disagree with them and have no fear of retribution. Contrast this to the reports from Iraq of children's and spouses' tongues cut out, eyeballs gouged, deaths, all because a person disagreed with Hussein.

We are not perfect. We keep getting better. I look forward to when I get to heaven and live in a perfect land, but until then this is the best available. We have had major problems in the past. We did allow slavery for almost one hundred years, but we no longer permit it. We left women out of the process for a much longer period but they are now included also. Look at the candidates for President in 2004. They include white males, but also blacks and a woman. If we look at the top advisors to the president, we see blacks, whites, males and females.

Three are lots of publications on all sides of issues. Even what appears to be news stories of what is fiction, but still available. If you are not sure visit the check-out line of a grocery store or go to a news stand, even in a bookstore. We can choose to either read or not read or hear the pros and cons of almost any issue. I welcome this opportunity and freedom to read various view points. It is not just the government viewpoint we can choose to hear.

Lastly I am free to choose where I want to give and spend my money, or to not do either. It is not dictated to us we must spend money in certain places or only give our money to certain organizations. We are free to waste our money if we want.

I am proud to be an American because of my freedoms. They have been listed in the Constitution and its amendments. These freedoms are what makes the United States of America the great nation it is.

abyss_al · 11-03-2004, 03:10 PM

^ "freedom"

funny....

Methodcash Rick · 11-03-2004, 03:13 PM

P.S. the above work is NOT mine, but I agree with it's contents..

It represents I think, why a lot of people are proud to be americans, yet can't ( like myself ) articulate it like the article above does...

TheJimmy · 11-03-2004, 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by TeenGodFather
I've seen my share of the world as well, and I have it good here. I'd have it good in france, and I'd have it good in the US. If they're not proud to be an american, why in the fuck should they leave? I thought it was a free country.

Well, those things you mentioned have very little to do with being an american imho.
I can go to my local store at 4am and get creamfilled twinkies, I could sale content, and I could go to webmaster meetings in a fancy custom suit. Yet, none of those things have anything to do with nationality.

National pride in the US is sickening, the flag is plastered in every damn corner. Enough is enough. The reason most europeans on GFY (and elsewhere) *hate* the americans is the overwhelming arrogance as you perceive yourselves to be the best.
Those are just my worthless

boner 2.0 · 11-03-2004, 03:25 PM

Ford
Chevrolet
Dodge
Cadillac
McDonalds
KFC
Wal-mart
Home hardware
Costco

...

Budweiser
Coka Cola
Pepsi
Kraft
Heinz
Nike
Addidas
Fila
Fubu
Microsoft

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Taco Bell
Sprint

speakthetruth · 11-03-2004, 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM
Why?

Please...Explain this to me. WTF is it that you are so damn proud of?

Seriously.....Share with us all. Help us to understand WTF there is to be proud of.

I am proud to live in a country where a fat kid can post on a chat board all day and bang his models.

VeriSexy · 11-03-2004, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan
it's the new spin on things.. if you're not fully in love and smooching Bush ass, that means you are anti-american and evil.

abyss_al · 11-03-2004, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by boner 2.0
Ford
Chevrolet
Dodge
Cadillac
McDonalds
KFC
Wal-mart
Home hardware
Costco

...

Budweiser
Coka Cola
Pepsi
Kraft
Heinz
Nike
Addidas
Fila
Fubu
Microsoft

...

Taco Bell
Sprint

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AaronM · 11-03-2004, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by speakthetruth
I am proud to live in a country where a fat kid can post on a chat board all day and bang his models.

Are you also proud to live in a country where a fat guy can bang his employees, buy a hot chick an expensive car and other gifts in order to convince her to marry him, and use the same engagement ring twice?

Are you proud to live in a country where an old model can sue your company for using her images because the content producer fucked the pooch when selling them to you?

Are you proud to live in a country where you can start your own adult webmaster board and invite all the people who think you are cool to post? THEN talk shit about others in the industry for the sole purpose of getting their attention in hopes of them posting to your board as well?

D-Money · 11-03-2004, 05:08 PM

I love the quality of air in Los Angeles.

the indigo · 11-03-2004, 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by amacontent
Anyone who hates this country that much is FREE TO LEAVE...nothing keeping you here

Are you serious?

Americans can't never totally leave USA, like most other countries. You always have to report everything you own and do when you leave the country. Freedom?

Ad3pt · 11-03-2004, 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by madthumbs
My sister's husband is a pilot and has been in Iraq for nearly 2 years now. 2 of his childhood best friends were killed right in front of him .. His children have been fatherless on their first day of Kindergarten.

I know a little about having something invested in the war.

What incident was this? Childhood friends getting the same deployment orders sounds like a stretch to me.

TheJimmy · 11-03-2004, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM
Are you also proud to live in a country where a fat guy can bang his employees, buy a hot chick an expensive car and other gifts in order to convince her to marry him, and use the same engagement ring twice?

Are you proud to live in a country where an old model can sue your company for using her images because the content producer fucked the pooch when selling them to you?

Are you proud to live in a country where you can start your own adult webmaster board and invite all the people who think you are cool to post? THEN talk shit about others in the industry for the sole purpose of getting their attention in hopes of them posting to your board as well?

oh damm that shit was funny...

Ad3pt · 11-03-2004, 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM
Ah....More reason to be proud.

IMHO, the only people who have the right to be proud of this country are those who actually serve it in the armed forces.

That does not include me and that does not include millions of others.

My dad served. He has the right to be proud. I do not because I, like most other Americans, have done NOTHING to make me proud to be an American.

Am I thankful for those who have and do serve? Damn straight. I may not agree with what the U.S. Government decides to do all the time but I sure as hell can't blame the troops that have been put in various positions. They signed up to defend freedom. Props to them.

didn't you say earlier that lots of poor boys signed up because they couldn't get a good job and they wanted assistance with college tuition? That's the problem with Dem's logic. "Whatya mean I have to fight? I was here for the free ride!"

the indigo · 11-03-2004, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BB-Rick
Why am I proud to be an American? It is for a variety of reasons, but basically they come down to one word. Freedom. We are free to do lots of things and we are free to not do these things also.

As Americans we can disagree. The government does not persecute us because we disagree with its stand on an issue. Nine people can now be running for the office of president and they do not have to worry about what this will cost them by the government. This does not mean that we cannot as individuals and organizations choose to buy from other places or not purchase certain products. We can choose as individuals to buy only those products that share our opinion is part of our freedom. Just as people can choose to not buy Dixie Chicks CDs today, we could choose in the 60s not to buy grapes from non-unionized farms, in the 60s, and 70s we could choose not to do business with companies doing business in South Africa. Each is a free choice.

We can worship God as we want. As long as our worship services do not harm others we are free to worship or not to worship in the way we choose. Look around at the times and days of various worship services. We have groups that worship on Sunday, ones that worship on Saturday (Christian and Jewish) and varieties n between. Not only do we have this freedom to worship in ways that we choose, but we are just as free to choose not to worship at all. We allow people to worship as Christians, Jews, Moslems, Hindus, etc. in our nation. We allow those with differing religious beliefs to worship freely. Moslems can freely and openly worship Allah in the USA, although there are countries in the world that do not allow Christians to freely and openly worship God. We do not have to be a member of a certain church to be in the government. Before the revolution, in certain parts of the colonies you had to belong the Episcopal Church or in England to the Church or England.

We are free to travel. We are free to travel wherever we want in our country and most parts of the world. This means that I have been able to visit 48 out of 50 states. We do not have to get the government's permission to travel within the USA. I can choose to go to Washington DC next weekend, or the state of Washington or Washington, Georgia. Or I can choose to not travel. In many other parts of the world this freedom does not exist as the fear is of people learning about others. I can visit rich sections or poor sections of the USA. We also believe in personal property rights, so this does not mean I can just go on any land at any time with out the owner's permission.

We can choose to vote for, or not vote, our representatives. We have a voice in our representative republic. It is amazing to watch the rest of the world and watch such large numbers of people go to so much trouble to vote, walking long distances, etc., and realize that in our country so few choose to vote when it is so easy. However there is no requirement we must vote as in some places, and we do have a choice. Does that mean the choice I make will always win? No. But I am included in the process here.

This is the most beautiful and varied nation I have seen. This is not to say that there are not more beautiful specific locations in other countries, but overall this country is most beautiful. To date I have visited four other countries and hope to visit at least one more in the next year or two.

This is a nation that people do things to help others. It is a nation of individualists, but also people willing to help those who need help. When disasters hit, whether here or elsewhere in the world, people step forth willing to give to help people recover from the disaster. This can be their time, talents or money.

Education is available to all. We can choose to pursue a new direction of education at various times in our lives. In some parts of the country this education is practically at no cost to us. We don't just have private or parochial schools for the rich or religious, but we feature also public schools for all children and people for all levels from pre-K through post-doctorate. The government runs these schools and tries to give opportunities to all. We can even disagree with what is being taught. It is our choice also whether to attend these government run school or to attend non-government run schools or we can educate our children at home. However we believe strongly in education. I am glad we have the freedom to pursue our education in areas of our choosing, within the limits of our abilities. This means that in junior high school a decision was not made that I would be a certain trade for life. That I could choose in 1977 and in 1983 to pursue different graduate degrees. We worry about functional literacy in the USA while many parts of the world are still worried about literacy. We can choose our career.

We work to feed our people. We have people that are hungry and that may not get balanced diets, but it is very rare for a person to starve in the USA and that is usually their choosing or where it was others doing. We have stop gap feeding systems from government, to religious to private organizations. We feed our children in public schools. We are trying to make all people receive the adequate meals, but in some many other parts of the world they still literally starve and we as a people, organizations and government are doing things to try to help in those places also.

We can freely contact our leaders and agree or disagree with them and have no fear of retribution. Contrast this to the reports from Iraq of children's and spouses' tongues cut out, eyeballs gouged, deaths, all because a person disagreed with Hussein.

We are not perfect. We keep getting better. I look forward to when I get to heaven and live in a perfect land, but until then this is the best available. We have had major problems in the past. We did allow slavery for almost one hundred years, but we no longer permit it. We left women out of the process for a much longer period but they are now included also. Look at the candidates for President in 2004. They include white males, but also blacks and a woman. If we look at the top advisors to the president, we see blacks, whites, males and females.

Three are lots of publications on all sides of issues. Even what appears to be news stories of what is fiction, but still available. If you are not sure visit the check-out line of a grocery store or go to a news stand, even in a bookstore. We can choose to either read or not read or hear the pros and cons of almost any issue. I welcome this opportunity and freedom to read various view points. It is not just the government viewpoint we can choose to hear.

Lastly I am free to choose where I want to give and spend my money, or to not do either. It is not dictated to us we must spend money in certain places or only give our money to certain organizations. We are free to waste our money if we want.

I am proud to be an American because of my freedoms. They have been listed in the Constitution and its amendments. These freedoms are what makes the United States of America the great nation it is.

That's the past.

Read the Patriot Act, listen to corrupted medias, look at your cultural 'popular shit' messup, and watch this industry go down.

Europe has more freedom than USA.
Canada has more freedom than USA.

Ad3pt · 11-03-2004, 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by the indigo

Europe has more freedom than USA.
Canada has more freedom than USA.

prove it.

the indigo · 11-03-2004, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by amacontent
Sorry Bro, not proud to be an American , people should leave then. We dont need them You need to take the bad with the good... you have the freedom to post your opinions on GFY, lots of people in the world dont.

Trust me, Ive seen more of the world than most... we have it VERY VERY good here.

Think about that next time you go to 7 - 11 to buy your cream filled Twinkies.

Think about that next time you make a content sale.

Think about that next time you go to our little webmaster gatherings and you wear your fancy suits and drink your fancy drinks.

Think about that alot

LOL.

I'm NOT proud to be Heterosexual.

Should I turn homo?

Pornweaver · 11-03-2004, 05:26 PM

Donny · 11-03-2004, 05:26 PM

I am proud that I live in a country where I am free to tell a fellow friend and content producer to shove it up his ass when he insinuates that my country is nothing to be proud of...

the indigo · 11-03-2004, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by TeenGodFather
I've seen my share of the world as well, and I have it good here. I'd have it good in france, and I'd have it good in the US. If they're not proud to be an american, why in the fuck should they leave? I thought it was a free country.

Well, those things you mentioned have very little to do with being an american imho.
I can go to my local store at 4am and get creamfilled twinkies, I could sale content, and I could go to webmaster meetings in a fancy custom suit. Yet, none of those things have anything to do with nationality.

National pride in the US is sickening, the flag is plastered in every damn corner. Enough is enough. The reason most europeans on GFY (and elsewhere) *hate* the americans is the overwhelming arrogance as you perceive yourselves to be the best.
Those are just my worthless

Exactly.

That's what most person outside the america thinks of the USA.

Persons who have the same freedoms as americans.

the indigo · 11-03-2004, 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by Ad3pt
prove it.

Keep working, buy a few tickets and travel the world.

Stop listening to TV and educate yourself BY YOURSELF

BruceM · 11-03-2004, 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster
The Homers kaint get murried.

Homer-sexual haha

Joe Citizen · 11-03-2004, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
I am proud that I live in a country where I am free to tell a fellow friend and content producer to shove it up his ass when he insinuates that my country is nothing to be proud of...

And that is somehow unique to America?

Why is that you arrogant fucking Americans automatically think America is better than other countries when most of you know JACK FUCKING SHIT about other countries?

How many have you been to?

eroswebmaster · 11-03-2004, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by evelknievel
---If the US had that mentality, we would have never gotten involved in WWII....."Hey, the Japanese couldn't pull this off again for another eight years. Hitler hasn't bothered us. Why should we get involved?"

c'mon. I'm no Bush Freak---but some of your comments are way off base...

Jesus I love you fucks who come in and start reading in the middle of a thread....you're the one way off base.

Here's how this part of the thread unfolded.

Idot states he feels safer with bush because we haven't been attacked in the us for going on 3 years.

I bring up point that we've only been attacked 3 times in 60 years and during the the 2 wtc attacks there was 8 years time difference...there were some attempts but nothing succesful.

So with that in mind...to even assume it's because of Bush that we haven't been attacked on US soil..when no one really knows what's going down now..or if there have even been any serious attempts is just fucking silly.

the indigo · 11-03-2004, 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
I am proud that I live in a country where I am free to tell a fellow friend and content producer to shove it up his ass when he insinuates that my country is nothing to be proud of...

You can do this anywhere else in the world...duh.

Honestly, I would prefer to be in another country if I was a content producer, for 2 reasons:

1. Americans sue themselves for every possible stupid reasons. (That means less freedom. Cash = freedom is not freedom)
2. Sexual Content producers in USA are seen as fucked up people, way more than in Canada or Europe.

Joe Citizen · 11-03-2004, 05:56 PM

Bump.

This is my favourite AaronM thread ever.

Donny · 11-03-2004, 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen
And that is somehow unique to America?

Why is that you arrogant fucking Americans automatically think America is better than other countries when most of you know JACK FUCKING SHIT about other countries?

How many have you been to?

Quote:

Originally posted by the indigo

You can do this anywhere else in the world...duh.

Honestly, I would prefer to be in another country if I was a content producer, for 2 reasons:

1. Americans sue themselves for every possible stupid reasons. (That means less freedom. Cash = freedom is not freedom)
2. Sexual Content producers in USA are seen as fucked up people, way more than in Canada or Europe.

I KNOW you two aren't so stupid to see that I'm telling AaronM to shove it up his ass for even INSINUATING that I shouldn't be proud to live in this country. Do I have to spell it out for you? You guys completely missed the point.

Shoehorn! · 11-03-2004, 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by Colin
Big bottom, big bottom
Talk about bum cakes, my girl's got 'em
Big bottom drive me out of my mind
How could I leave this behind?

Scootermuze · 11-03-2004, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by Ad3pt
.................

We've been safe for the last 3 years and al queda is impotent to do any more damage on our soil.

That statement may come back to bite ya in the ass in the not too distant future...

Bush turned his focus from Bin Laden to Iraq and gave B L time to regroup and spread even further throughout the world..

I'd be willing to bet that he'll do more damage over here just to show Bush that his homeland security team isn't as great as Bush wants us to believe.. and to show us that we aren't safe under Bush.. and , for the most-part, just to rub it in Bush's face... I see it coming..

AaronM · 11-03-2004, 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
I KNOW you two aren't so stupid to see that I'm telling AaronM to shove it up his ass for even INSINUATING that I shouldn't be proud to live in this country. Do I have to spell it out for you? You guys completely missed the point.

No, they didn't...But you did.

Hey Donovan...I won't beat around the bush and try to be cute about it.

Shove it up your ass if you can't see the point of this thread.

gobush · 11-03-2004, 06:35 PM

This is a short civics lesson to those who failed to pay attention in hight school or for people on this board who are from other countries.

The correct term for our form of government is not "democracy"
The United States of America actually has a form of government known as a 'democratic REPUBLIC"

Our constitution does not give the citizens any rights. What is actually does is limit the right of the government to impose its will upon the people. The first amendment says "CONGRESS SHALL PAS NO LAW ABRIDGING THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH....

It does not say that THE PEOPLE have the right to free speech, it says the government cannot pass laws abridging that right.

The constitution is a set of laws for the government to follow, not the people.

THIS IS WHAT MAKES THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH. THE GOVERNMENT IS LIMITED IN WHAT IT CAN DO BY THE PEOPLE(i.e, the constitution)

As for the moron asking what the u.s. has ever done for denmark?
About 60 years ago there was a little thing called world war 2. And if I'm not mistaken it was the u.s. that virtually saved the entire euroepean continent for the nazis. IF IT WASNT FOR THE U.S. EVERYONE IN EUROPE WOULD BE SPEAKING GERMAN RIGHT NOW.

And to all the u.s. haters out there i have only one simple question for you if you have either the guts or intelligence to answer....WHY DO SO MANY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE EVERY YEAR GIVE UP EVERYTHING THEY HAVE,MANY OF THEM RISKING THEIR LIVES AND THE LLIVES OF THEIR CHILDREN JUST TO HAVE THE CHANCE TO COME TO THIS NATION?

Joe Citizen · 11-03-2004, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by gobush
As for the moron asking what the u.s. has ever done for denmark?
About 60 years ago there was a little thing called world war 2. And if I'm not mistaken it was the u.s. that virtually saved the entire euroepean continent for the nazis. IF IT WASNT FOR THE U.S. EVERYONE IN EUROPE WOULD BE SPEAKING GERMAN RIGHT NOW.

You are mistaken, moron.

gobush · 11-03-2004, 06:45 PM

hey joe, quick question... What part am i mistaken about?

gobush · 11-03-2004, 06:47 PM

hey joe, one more question...why didn't you answer the question about why so many millions of people from all over the world will do just about anything to have the chance to live here?

Joe Citizen · 11-03-2004, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by gobush
hey joe, one more question...why didn't you answer the question about why so many millions of people from all over the world will do just about anything to have the chance to live here?

Millions of people will also do anything to go to England, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, France, Germany, Spain etc etc etc

Do you have any idea of how many south-east Asian boat people head to Australian shores?

Of course you don't.

Joe Citizen · 11-03-2004, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by gobush
hey joe, quick question... What part am i mistaken about?

The part I quoted, dipshit.

Ad3pt · 11-03-2004, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster
Jesus I love you fucks who come in and start reading in the middle of a thread....you're the one way off base.

Here's how this part of the thread unfolded.

Idot states he feels safer with bush because we haven't been attacked in the us for going on 3 years.

I bring up point that we've only been attacked 3 times in 60 years and during the the 2 wtc attacks there was 8 years time difference...there were some attempts but nothing succesful.

So with that in mind...to even assume it's because of Bush that we haven't been attacked on US soil..when no one really knows what's going down now..or if there have even been any serious attempts is just fucking silly.

Ahem...a note from the idiot mentioned in that quote.

Guliani, the best mayor New York ever had, thinks we're safer now also. Hmm, and he was asked to run for a 3rd term even though term limits didn't support it. I'll side with that "idiot" before you 'til the day I die.

What's silly is all this passionate crying about the results of the election from a bunch of kids. I have to admit I was nervous that a senator who'll say anything to win might have won. My friend's 81 year old father, who's a Vet', registered to vote for the first time in his life this year. You don't want to know who he voted for. Oh ya, my father inlaw and his mother just registered and voted for Bush their first time also. But, they're just old and stupid right? They must have been brainwashed by all that Bush-bashing from the Kerry campaign.

Funny how so many people were on the bandwagon to stomp out terrorists, and those who support terrorism (Iraq), until it came time to put up or shut up. No one ever said this effort was going to be quick and easy. To give up now would strengthen our enemies beliefs that Americans don't have the stomach to endure a war and surely not do us any good. I'll sleep comfortable at night with my convictions, so will you, because of the actions of this admin'. You're just another bitch that wants to be in the "in crowd", liked by everybody, and will say anything to get it. My values go way deeper than that.

Ad3pt · 11-03-2004, 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by gobush
hey joe, one more question...why didn't you answer the question about why so many millions of people from all over the world will do just about anything to have the chance to live here?

Because he doesn't know. He and his dumb buddies don't even know why the right to keep and bear arms are in our Constituion.

Joe Citizen · 11-03-2004, 07:14 PM

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Originally posted by Ad3pt
Because he doesn't know.

Already answered that question dipshit.

You're a bit slow aren't you?

gobush · 11-03-2004, 07:23 PM

HEY JOE, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE COUNTRIES YOU LISTED COMBINED DO NOT ALLOW AS MANY IMMIGRANTS TO ENTER THEIR COUNTRIES AS THE U.S.

And for the record i know an awful lot about the plight of the south east asian "boat people" as we were once called. MY family fled cambodia in 1973 when i was six years old on a boat with over three hundred people on it. It took my family over eigth years to get to the U.S. after having been kicked out of among other nations australia, and france. NO other country would have us. And in case you didn't know it was the french who fucked things up in vietnam in the late 50" and early 60"s

One more question JOe, how hard have you ever had to fight in your life just to literally stay alive? HOw many countries have you been exiled from? Have you ever actually had to defend your rights as a human Being just to live? Have you ever done anything more that just whine on an internet chatboard about how miseralbe life is. UNTIL YOU'VE WALKED A MILE IN MY SHOES YOU CAN KISS MY ASS YOU WHINING LITTLE WIMP.

When my family arrived in san fransico in 1981 my father had a total of $700 in his pocket, a wife and three kids. Each of us kids has earned a college degree and two years ago my brother was elected mayor of a small town in colorado.

There is only one country on the face of this planet where s=this could have happened, and its not france, canada, or australia or great britian.

Joe Citizen · 11-03-2004, 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by gobush
There is only one country on the face of this planet where s=this could have happened, and its not france, canada, or australia or great britian.

Bullshit.

Exactly what do you know about how many immigrants the countries I mentioned accept? Besides, are you too stupid to realize that land area and population are factors in how many immigrants countries can accept?

You're just making shit up because it suits your argument.

Back it up or shut the fuck up.

America is not the only country people from third world shitholes want to go to. Like I said, boats head here every day.

Donny · 11-03-2004, 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by gobush
HEY JOE, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE COUNTRIES YOU LISTED COMBINED DO NOT ALLOW AS MANY IMMIGRANTS TO ENTER THEIR COUNTRIES AS THE U.S.

And for the record i know an awful lot about the plight of the south east asian "boat people" as we were once called. MY family fled cambodia in 1973 when i was six years old on a boat with over three hundred people on it. It took my family over eigth years to get to the U.S. after having been kicked out of among other nations australia, and france. NO other country would have us. And in case you didn't know it was the french who fucked things up in vietnam in the late 50" and early 60"s

One more question JOe, how hard have you ever had to fight in your life just to literally stay alive? HOw many countries have you been exiled from? Have you ever actually had to defend your rights as a human Being just to live? Have you ever done anything more that just whine on an internet chatboard about how miseralbe life is. UNTIL YOU'VE WALKED A MILE IN MY SHOES YOU CAN KISS MY ASS YOU WHINING LITTLE WIMP.

When my family arrived in san fransico in 1981 my father had a total of $700 in his pocket, a wife and three kids. Each of us kids has earned a college degree and two years ago my brother was elected mayor of a small town in colorado.

There is only one country on the face of this planet where s=this could have happened, and its not france, canada, or australia or great britian.

I absolutely love this post...

Ad3pt · 11-03-2004, 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by gobush
HEY JOE, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE COUNTRIES YOU LISTED COMBINED DO NOT ALLOW AS MANY IMMIGRANTS TO ENTER THEIR COUNTRIES AS THE U.S.

And for the record i know an awful lot about the plight of the south east asian "boat people" as we were once called. MY family fled cambodia in 1973 when i was six years old on a boat with over three hundred people on it. It took my family over eigth years to get to the U.S. after having been kicked out of among other nations australia, and france. NO other country would have us. And in case you didn't know it was the french who fucked things up in vietnam in the late 50" and early 60"s

One more question JOe, how hard have you ever had to fight in your life just to literally stay alive? HOw many countries have you been exiled from? Have you ever actually had to defend your rights as a human Being just to live? Have you ever done anything more that just whine on an internet chatboard about how miseralbe life is. UNTIL YOU'VE WALKED A MILE IN MY SHOES YOU CAN KISS MY ASS YOU WHINING LITTLE WIMP.

When my family arrived in san fransico in 1981 my father had a total of $700 in his pocket, a wife and three kids. Each of us kids has earned a college degree and two years ago my brother was elected mayor of a small town in colorado.

There is only one country on the face of this planet where s=this could have happened, and its not france, canada, or australia or great britian.

Many prop's to this person

Joe Citizen · 11-03-2004, 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
I absolutely love this post...

Of course, other countries don't have any immigrants who arrived with nothing and built successful lives, right?

http://www.citizenship.gov.au/stories.htm

Only America makes immigrant dreams come true....

God, the brainwashing you Americans experience is like something out of Chairman Mao's China.

Donny · 11-03-2004, 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Of course, other countries don't have any immigrants who arrived with nothing and built successful lives, right?

http://www.citizenship.gov.au/stories.htm

Only America makes immigrant dreams come true....

God, the brainwashing you Americans experience is like something out of Chairman Mao's China.

Of course it happens elsewhere. Lightning strikes many places, but generally never strikes the same place twice.

"Lighting strikes" the USA many many many times. There are many more success stories like this in the USA than elsewhere. You would be a fool to deny that.

Joe Citizen · 11-03-2004, 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Of course it happens elsewhere. Lightning strikes many places, but generally never strikes the same place twice.

"Lighting strikes" the USA many many many times. There are many more success stories like this in the USA than elsewhere. You would be a fool to deny that.

Population of USA = 300 million
Population of Australia = 20 million

Donovan, are you REALLY this stupid?

Chaldoray · 11-03-2004, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM
How's that? How's that for what??? Dodging my question?

You failed to address what it is that gives you personal reason to be "proud."

Are you proud that you can call me a dork and I won't cut off your hand?

If you were proud to be an American then you would be out their fighting for us instead of sitting at your computer.

Fucking hypocrite.

The ONLY reason that people say they are ?Proud to be an American? is because it is branded into their brains. It?s a marketing slogan that all the sheep have been sold on. Nothing more, nothing less.

Why don't you shut your mouth and fight for our country instead of sitting on your fatass? Stupid idiot.

Anthony_A · 11-03-2004, 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by gobush
HEY JOE, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE COUNTRIES YOU LISTED COMBINED DO NOT ALLOW AS MANY IMMIGRANTS TO ENTER THEIR COUNTRIES AS THE U.S.

And for the record i know an awful lot about the plight of the south east asian "boat people" as we were once called. MY family fled cambodia in 1973 when i was six years old on a boat with over three hundred people on it. It took my family over eigth years to get to the U.S. after having been kicked out of among other nations australia, and france. NO other country would have us. And in case you didn't know it was the french who fucked things up in vietnam in the late 50" and early 60"s

One more question JOe, how hard have you ever had to fight in your life just to literally stay alive? HOw many countries have you been exiled from? Have you ever actually had to defend your rights as a human Being just to live? Have you ever done anything more that just whine on an internet chatboard about how miseralbe life is. UNTIL YOU'VE WALKED A MILE IN MY SHOES YOU CAN KISS MY ASS YOU WHINING LITTLE WIMP.

When my family arrived in san fransico in 1981 my father had a total of $700 in his pocket, a wife and three kids. Each of us kids has earned a college degree and two years ago my brother was elected mayor of a small town in colorado.

There is only one country on the face of this planet where s=this could have happened, and its not france, canada, or australia or great britian.

Joe Fucktard just got PWNED.

Joe Citizen · 11-03-2004, 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by gobush
HEY JOE, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE COUNTRIES YOU LISTED COMBINED DO NOT ALLOW AS MANY IMMIGRANTS TO ENTER THEIR COUNTRIES AS THE U.S.

And for the record i know an awful lot about the plight of the south east asian "boat people" as we were once called. MY family fled cambodia in 1973 when i was six years old on a boat with over three hundred people on it. It took my family over eigth years to get to the U.S. after having been kicked out of among other nations australia, and france. NO other country would have us. And in case you didn't know it was the french who fucked things up in vietnam in the late 50" and early 60"s

One more question JOe, how hard have you ever had to fight in your life just to literally stay alive? HOw many countries have you been exiled from? Have you ever actually had to defend your rights as a human Being just to live? Have you ever done anything more that just whine on an internet chatboard about how miseralbe life is. UNTIL YOU'VE WALKED A MILE IN MY SHOES YOU CAN KISS MY ASS YOU WHINING LITTLE WIMP.

When my family arrived in san fransico in 1981 my father had a total of $700 in his pocket, a wife and three kids. Each of us kids has earned a college degree and two years ago my brother was elected mayor of a small town in colorado.

There is only one country on the face of this planet where s=this could have happened, and its not france, canada, or australia or great britian.

Hey, here are some more statistics for your ignorant ass:

Immigration: Asylum Seekers

Immigration: Foreign Population Inflow (per capita)

Immigration: Net Migration Rate

Immigration: Refugees (per capita)

Immigration: New Citizenships (per capita)

Now that I've obliterated your argument, have a nice day.

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11-03-2004, 03:09 PM	#102
Methodcash Rick Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,720	Why am I proud to be an American? It is for a variety of reasons, but basically they come down to one word. Freedom. We are free to do lots of things and we are free to not do these things also. As Americans we can disagree. The government does not persecute us because we disagree with its stand on an issue. Nine people can now be running for the office of president and they do not have to worry about what this will cost them by the government. This does not mean that we cannot as individuals and organizations choose to buy from other places or not purchase certain products. We can choose as individuals to buy only those products that share our opinion is part of our freedom. Just as people can choose to not buy Dixie Chicks CDs today, we could choose in the 60s not to buy grapes from non-unionized farms, in the 60s, and 70s we could choose not to do business with companies doing business in South Africa. Each is a free choice. We can worship God as we want. As long as our worship services do not harm others we are free to worship or not to worship in the way we choose. Look around at the times and days of various worship services. We have groups that worship on Sunday, ones that worship on Saturday (Christian and Jewish) and varieties n between. Not only do we have this freedom to worship in ways that we choose, but we are just as free to choose not to worship at all. We allow people to worship as Christians, Jews, Moslems, Hindus, etc. in our nation. We allow those with differing religious beliefs to worship freely. Moslems can freely and openly worship Allah in the USA, although there are countries in the world that do not allow Christians to freely and openly worship God. We do not have to be a member of a certain church to be in the government. Before the revolution, in certain parts of the colonies you had to belong the Episcopal Church or in England to the Church or England. We are free to travel. We are free to travel wherever we want in our country and most parts of the world. This means that I have been able to visit 48 out of 50 states. We do not have to get the government's permission to travel within the USA. I can choose to go to Washington DC next weekend, or the state of Washington or Washington, Georgia. Or I can choose to not travel. In many other parts of the world this freedom does not exist as the fear is of people learning about others. I can visit rich sections or poor sections of the USA. We also believe in personal property rights, so this does not mean I can just go on any land at any time with out the owner's permission. We can choose to vote for, or not vote, our representatives. We have a voice in our representative republic. It is amazing to watch the rest of the world and watch such large numbers of people go to so much trouble to vote, walking long distances, etc., and realize that in our country so few choose to vote when it is so easy. However there is no requirement we must vote as in some places, and we do have a choice. Does that mean the choice I make will always win? No. But I am included in the process here. This is the most beautiful and varied nation I have seen. This is not to say that there are not more beautiful specific locations in other countries, but overall this country is most beautiful. To date I have visited four other countries and hope to visit at least one more in the next year or two. This is a nation that people do things to help others. It is a nation of individualists, but also people willing to help those who need help. When disasters hit, whether here or elsewhere in the world, people step forth willing to give to help people recover from the disaster. This can be their time, talents or money. Education is available to all. We can choose to pursue a new direction of education at various times in our lives. In some parts of the country this education is practically at no cost to us. We don't just have private or parochial schools for the rich or religious, but we feature also public schools for all children and people for all levels from pre-K through post-doctorate. The government runs these schools and tries to give opportunities to all. We can even disagree with what is being taught. It is our choice also whether to attend these government run school or to attend non-government run schools or we can educate our children at home. However we believe strongly in education. I am glad we have the freedom to pursue our education in areas of our choosing, within the limits of our abilities. This means that in junior high school a decision was not made that I would be a certain trade for life. That I could choose in 1977 and in 1983 to pursue different graduate degrees. We worry about functional literacy in the USA while many parts of the world are still worried about literacy. We can choose our career. We work to feed our people. We have people that are hungry and that may not get balanced diets, but it is very rare for a person to starve in the USA and that is usually their choosing or where it was others doing. We have stop gap feeding systems from government, to religious to private organizations. We feed our children in public schools. We are trying to make all people receive the adequate meals, but in some many other parts of the world they still literally starve and we as a people, organizations and government are doing things to try to help in those places also. We can freely contact our leaders and agree or disagree with them and have no fear of retribution. Contrast this to the reports from Iraq of children's and spouses' tongues cut out, eyeballs gouged, deaths, all because a person disagreed with Hussein. We are not perfect. We keep getting better. I look forward to when I get to heaven and live in a perfect land, but until then this is the best available. We have had major problems in the past. We did allow slavery for almost one hundred years, but we no longer permit it. We left women out of the process for a much longer period but they are now included also. Look at the candidates for President in 2004. They include white males, but also blacks and a woman. If we look at the top advisors to the president, we see blacks, whites, males and females. Three are lots of publications on all sides of issues. Even what appears to be news stories of what is fiction, but still available. If you are not sure visit the check-out line of a grocery store or go to a news stand, even in a bookstore. We can choose to either read or not read or hear the pros and cons of almost any issue. I welcome this opportunity and freedom to read various view points. It is not just the government viewpoint we can choose to hear. Lastly I am free to choose where I want to give and spend my money, or to not do either. It is not dictated to us we must spend money in certain places or only give our money to certain organizations. We are free to waste our money if we want. I am proud to be an American because of my freedoms. They have been listed in the Constitution and its amendments. These freedoms are what makes the United States of America the great nation it is.

11-03-2004, 03:13 PM	#104
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11-03-2004, 05:26 PM	#120
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11-03-2004, 05:56 PM	#127
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11-03-2004, 06:35 PM	#132
gobush Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 15	This is a short civics lesson to those who failed to pay attention in hight school or for people on this board who are from other countries. The correct term for our form of government is not "democracy" The United States of America actually has a form of government known as a 'democratic REPUBLIC" Our constitution does not give the citizens any rights. What is actually does is limit the right of the government to impose its will upon the people. The first amendment says "CONGRESS SHALL PAS NO LAW ABRIDGING THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH.... It does not say that THE PEOPLE have the right to free speech, it says the government cannot pass laws abridging that right. The constitution is a set of laws for the government to follow, not the people. THIS IS WHAT MAKES THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH. THE GOVERNMENT IS LIMITED IN WHAT IT CAN DO BY THE PEOPLE(i.e, the constitution) As for the moron asking what the u.s. has ever done for denmark? About 60 years ago there was a little thing called world war 2. And if I'm not mistaken it was the u.s. that virtually saved the entire euroepean continent for the nazis. IF IT WASNT FOR THE U.S. EVERYONE IN EUROPE WOULD BE SPEAKING GERMAN RIGHT NOW. And to all the u.s. haters out there i have only one simple question for you if you have either the guts or intelligence to answer....WHY DO SO MANY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE EVERY YEAR GIVE UP EVERYTHING THEY HAVE,MANY OF THEM RISKING THEIR LIVES AND THE LLIVES OF THEIR CHILDREN JUST TO HAVE THE CHANCE TO COME TO THIS NATION?

11-03-2004, 06:45 PM	#134
gobush Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 15	hey joe, quick question... What part am i mistaken about?

11-03-2004, 06:47 PM	#135
gobush Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 15	hey joe, one more question...why didn't you answer the question about why so many millions of people from all over the world will do just about anything to have the chance to live here?

11-03-2004, 07:23 PM	#141
gobush Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 15	HEY JOE, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE COUNTRIES YOU LISTED COMBINED DO NOT ALLOW AS MANY IMMIGRANTS TO ENTER THEIR COUNTRIES AS THE U.S. And for the record i know an awful lot about the plight of the south east asian "boat people" as we were once called. MY family fled cambodia in 1973 when i was six years old on a boat with over three hundred people on it. It took my family over eigth years to get to the U.S. after having been kicked out of among other nations australia, and france. NO other country would have us. And in case you didn't know it was the french who fucked things up in vietnam in the late 50" and early 60"s One more question JOe, how hard have you ever had to fight in your life just to literally stay alive? HOw many countries have you been exiled from? Have you ever actually had to defend your rights as a human Being just to live? Have you ever done anything more that just whine on an internet chatboard about how miseralbe life is. UNTIL YOU'VE WALKED A MILE IN MY SHOES YOU CAN KISS MY ASS YOU WHINING LITTLE WIMP. When my family arrived in san fransico in 1981 my father had a total of $700 in his pocket, a wife and three kids. Each of us kids has earned a college degree and two years ago my brother was elected mayor of a small town in colorado. There is only one country on the face of this planet where s=this could have happened, and its not france, canada, or australia or great britian.