SuckOnThis

You may flip flop?

Furious_Male

I think many of us think this way. But sticking with something doesn't mean you can't make changes.

A simple example. Lets say you agreed with a business plan for a credit card processor and went with them 100%. Swore they were the best credit card processor out there and used them on all your sites.

If later down the road they started scrubbing to hard, had continous down time, paid late etc. costing you money. They have no plans to fix the problems but instead are going to open another company built around the existing one (bound to have the same problems if not worst) wouldn't you make a change? What would sticking with them accomplish?

Kerry may have thought the Patriot Act was good at the time. Our entire nation was stunned by the events of 911. No one took the time to really think things out. We were more concerned with another attack. Now he is realizing that the Patriot act is flawed and wants to do something about it.

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Rich

How can people not even understand their own country?

TheLegacy

what no boobmaster speaking out?? LOL

bump since I need a good smile today and his love for Bush always makes me laugh

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Monkey? We were having an intelligent conversation until you decided to paste a bunch of shit you found on google, on that note, here is my reply:

John Kerry's Flip Flops

Flip Flopped On Trade With China

In 1991, Kerry Supported Most-Favored Trade Status For China. ?Sen. John Kerry said yesterday that he is breaking party ranks to support most-favored-nation trade status for China ? ?I think the president has some strong arguments about some of the assets of most-favored-nation status for China,? Kerry said.? (John Aloysius Farrell, ?Kerry Breaks Party Ranks To Back China Trade Status,? The Boston Globe, 6/15/91)

In 2000, Kerry Voted In Favor Of Permanent Normal Trade Relations With China. (H.R. 4444, CQ Vote #251: Passed 83-15: R 46-8; D 37-7, 9/19/00, Kerry Voted Yea)

Now Kerry Criticizes The Bush Administration For Trading With China. ?Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said on Monday Americans workers were paying the price for President Bush's weak stance on trade with China and other countries. ? On the bus tour, Kerry singled out the Bush administration's handling of trade with China and said that country was manipulating its currency.? (Caren Bohan, "Kerry Pledges Aggressive Trade Stance," Reuters, 4/26/04)

Flip-Flopped On Iraq War

Kerry Voted For Authorization To Use Force In Iraq. (H.J. Res. 114, CQ Vote #237: Passed 77-23: R 48-1; D 29-21; I 0-1, 10/11/02, Kerry Voted Yea.)

In First Dem Debate, Kerry Strongly Supported President?s Action In Iraq. KERRY: ?George, I said at the time I would have preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity, but I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him.? (ABC News, Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate, Columbia, SC, 5/4/03)

Kerry Later Claimed He Voted ?To Threaten? Use Of Force In Iraq. ?I voted to threaten the use of force to make Saddam Hussein comply with the resolutions of the United Nations.? (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At Announcement Of Presidential Candidacy, Mount Pleasant, SC, 9/2/03)

Now, Kerry Says He Is Anti-War Candidate. CHRIS MATTHEWS: ?Do you think you belong to that category of candidates who more or less are unhappy with this war, the way it?s been fought, along with General Clark, along with Howard Dean and not necessarily in companionship politically on the issue of the war with people like Lieberman, Edwards and Gephardt? Are you one of the anti-war candidates?? KERRY: ?I am -- Yes, in the sense that I don?t believe the president took us to war as he should have, yes, absolutely.? (MSNBC?s ?Hardball,? 1/6/04)

Flip-Flopped On Eliminating Marriage Penalty For Middle Class

Kerry Said He Will Fight To Keep Tax Relief For Married Couples. ?Howard Dean and Gephardt are going to put the marriage penalty back in place. So if you get married in America, we?re going to charge you more taxes. I do not want to do that.? (Fox News? ?Special Report,? 10/23/03)

Said Democrats Fought To End Marriage Penalty Tax. ?We fought hard to get rid of the marriage penalty.? (MSNBC?s ?News Live,? 7/31/03)

But, In 1998, Kerry Voted Against Eliminating Marriage Penalty Relief For Married Taxpayers With Combined Incomes Less Than $50,000 Per Year, Saving Taxpayers $46 Billion Over 10 Years. (S. 1415, CQ Vote #154: Rejected 48-50: R 5-49; D 43-1, 6/10/98, Kerry Voted Yea)

Flip-Flopped On Patriot Act

Kerry Voted For Patriot Act. The Patriot Act was passed nearly unanimously by the Senate 98-1, and 357-66 in the House. (H.R. 3162, CQ Vote #313: Passed 98-1: R 49-0; D 48-1; I 1-0, 10/25/01, Kerry Voted Yea)

Kerry Used To Defend His Vote. ?Most of [The Patriot Act] has to do with improving the transfer of information between CIA and FBI, and it has to do with things that really were quite necessary in the wake of what happened on September 11th.? (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At Town Hall Meeting, Manchester, NH, 8/6/03)

Now, Kerry Attacks Patriot Act. ?We are a nation of laws and liberties, not of a knock in the night. So it is time to end the era of John Ashhahahahaha. That starts with replacing the Patriot Act with a new law that protects our people and our liberties at the same time. I?ve been a District Attorney and I know that what law enforcement needs are real tools not restrictions on American?s basic rights.? (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At Iowa State University, 12/1/03)

Kerry Took BOTH Sides On First Gulf War

Kerry Took BOTH Sides In First Gulf War In Separate Letters To Same Constituent. ?Rather than take a side--albeit the one he thought was most expedient--Kerry actually stood on both sides of the first Gulf war, much like he did this time around. Consider this ?Notebook? item from TNR?s March 25, 1991 issue, which ran under the headline ?Same Senator, Same Constituent?: ?Thank you for contacting me to express your opposition ... to the early use of military force by the US against Iraq. I share your concerns. On January 11, I voted in favor of a resolution that would have insisted that economic sanctions be given more time to work and against a resolution giving the president the immediate authority to go to war.? --letter from Senator John Kerry to Wallace Carter of Newton Centre, Massachusetts, dated January 22 [1991] ?Thank you very much for contacting me to express your support for the actions of President Bush in response to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and unequivocally supported President Bush?s response to the crisis and the policy goals he has established with our military deployment in the Persian Gulf.? --Senator Kerry to Wallace Carter, January 31 [1991]? (Noam Scheiber, ?Noam Scheiber?s Daily Journal of Politics, The New Republic Online, 1/28/04)

Flip-Flopped On Gay Marriage Amendment

In 2002, Kerry Signed Letter ?Urging? MA Legislature To Reject Constitutional Amendment Banning Gay Marriage. ?We rarely comment on issues that are wholly within the jurisdiction of the General Court, but there are occasions when matters pending before you are of such significance to all residents of the Commonwealth that we think it appropriate for us to express our opinion. One such matter is the proposed Constitutional amendment that would prohibit or seriously inhibit any legal recognition whatsoever of same-sex relationships. We believe it would be a grave error for Massachusetts to enshrine in our Constitution a provision which would have such a negative effect on so many of our fellow residents. ? We are therefore united in urging you to reject this Constitutional amendment and avoid stigmatizing so many of our fellow citizens who do not deserve to be treated in such a manner.? (Sen. John Kerry, et al, Letter To Members Of The Massachusetts Legislature, 7/12/02)

Now, In 2004, Kerry Won?t Rule Out Supporting Similar Amendment. ?Asked if he would support a state constitutional amendment barring gay and lesbian marriages, Kerry didn?t rule out the possibility. ?I?ll have to see what language there is,? he said.? (Susan Milligan, ?Kerry Says GOP May Target Him On ?Wedge Issue,?? The Boston Globe, 2/6/04)

Flip-Flopped On Attacking President During Time Of War

In March 2003, Kerry Promised Not To Attack President When War Began. ?Senator John F. Kerry of Massachusetts ? said he will cease his complaints once the shooting starts. ?It?s what you owe the troops,? said a statement from Kerry, a Navy veteran of the Vietnam War. ?I remember being one of those guys and reading news reports from home. If America is at war, I won?t speak a word without measuring how it?ll sound to the guys doing the fighting when they?re listening to their radios in the desert.?? (Glen Johnson, ?Democrats On The Stump Plot Their War Rhetoric,? The Boston Globe, 3/11/03)

But Weeks Later, With Troops Just Miles From Baghdad, Kerry Broke His Pledge. ??What we need now is not just a regime change in Saddam Hussein and Iraq, but we need a regime change in the United States,? Kerry said in a speech at the Peterborough Town Library. Despite pledging two weeks ago to cool his criticism of the administration once war began, Kerry unleashed a barrage of criticism as US troops fought within 25 miles of Baghdad.? (Glen Johnson, ?Kerry Says Us Needs Its Own ?Regime Change,?? The Boston Globe, 4/3/03)

Flip-Flopped On Death Penalty For Terrorists

In 1996, Kerry Attacked Governor Bill Weld For Supporting Death Penalty For Terrorists. KERRY: ?Your policy would amount to a terrorist protection policy. Mine would put them in jail.? (1996 Massachusetts Senate Debate, 9/16/96)

In 1996, Kerry Said, ?You Can Change Your Mind On Things, But Not On Life-And-Death Issues.? (Timothy J. Connolly, ?The ?Snoozer? Had Some Life,? [Worcester, MA] Telegram & Gazette, 7/3/96)

But, In 2002, Kerry Said He Supported Death Penalty For Terrorists. KERRY: ?The law of the land is the law of the land, but I have also said that I am for the death penalty for terrorists because terrorists have declared war on your country.? (NBC?s ?Meet The Press,? 12/1/02)

Flip-Flopped On No Child Left Behind

Kerry Voted For No Child Left Behind Act. (H.R. 1, CQ Vote #371: Adopted 87-10: R 44-3; D 43-6; I 0-1, 12/18/01, Kerry Voted Yea)

But Now Kerry Is Attacking No Child Left Behind As ?Mockery.? ?Between now and the time I?m sworn in January 2005, I?m going to use every day to make this president accountable for making a mockery of the words ?No Child Left Behind.??.... blah


Enjoy! http://www.georgewbush.com/kerrymedi...d.aspx?ID=2439

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Good points.

Let us see how this debate goes Thursday, may the best man win.

germ

im a dork too. i havent seen a presidential debate since i was a little kid.

plus, the chance to see GWB actually talk about the issues without a prewritten statement by his advisors....pass the popcorn!

SuckOnThis

Yea, that shit is believable coming from georgewbush.com

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Yeah, see I may flip-flop like you said, but at least I'm not an extremist left wing that thinks the USA can become a modern day Nazi regime.


and we were just talking about how "flip-floping" was healthy.

SuckOnThis

That may not be the way it is. There are normally 3 debates, 2 of them being the type that the candidates already know whats going to be asked. The 3rd being an open question forum. Bush has not agreed to the 3rd debate.

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and what's not believable again?

germ

well fuck. looks like more of the same old shit then. i swear, i hate politics sometimes.

republicans and democrats are the same way. they're more focused on their image and poll numbers than actually doing some good for this country.


NADER '04!

SuckOnThis

Fuck man, you can't even spell Nazi (and that obviously wasnt a mistype) so how in the hell would you even know what the Nazi's were about?

Dude, just shut the fuck up.

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haha that's how I know you are getting pissed, you have to resort to spell check like a bitch.

a new low for you, why don't you shut the fuck up if you can't debate civil don't debate at all.

SuckOnThis

SleazeQueen

Not everyone. There were some people who didn't vote for it and there were people like myself who were against it from the beginning. What I did say, and voiced to all my government representatives, is that if they were going to implement a "Patriot Act" that it have a definite, short term end date. Say 2 years from 9/11 so that it couldn't be abused.

As we're seeing now, it is being abused. Every week or so there's a news story circulating around about someone arrested for drugs, porn, being "anti-government" (read: critical of the president), etc. because of an element of the Patriot Act. Don't you think that will increase exponentially if Bush gets reelected?

They have nothing to lose politically. They can literally do anything if they keep all the branches of the government. Literally. Bush can't be reelected for a 3rd term and Cheney doesn't want to be President. Even the republicans can recover from his lunacy if they just say "Yeah, we don't know what the deal was with THAT guy.. vote for our Reagan-bot for President 2008!" They WILL crack down on porn. They WILL crack down on the internet in general. They WILL invade another country (I predict Iran or Syria, when Sudan is who needs us.) based on sketchy info. I can feel it in my bones.

Tinfoil hat time? Maybe. But I don't think so. Frankly, I'm more scared for our future than I ever have been in my 37 yrs.

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SuckOnThis

Sorry dumbass, I don't need to resort to spell check to know how to spell 'Nazi'. You obviously do.

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Good get it out of your system you simpleminded moronic imbecile.

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and it took you 10 minutes to post that

Can you read? It was corrected above as were your arguments.

mardigras

Confucius say he who is without flexibility breaks at first curve

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SuckOnThis

Weak.

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Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

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Good quote.

mardigras

Thanks... just one of those little thoughts I have while reading GFY

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fuct

first off:

fuck bush! he's a moron & will kill us all ...

second off:
i cannot take anyone serious when they refer to another person who we are declaring war on as "evil do'ers" thats just pathetic use of grammer & speach espically for someone who's incharge of a MAJOR World Power.

if someone who is running for president is using Flash video games on there page w/ clown music playing in the background while making fun of other figures in office and another countries president is really sad. he really needs to grow-up really bad. im not sure how anyone can take that serious. common cut all the bullshit 3rd grade 'im telling on you' shit talk outa the way and just state what it is your really going to do in office to help build a better informed America.

later on bush does a quote on his page about what Kerry said on the raido w/ a full quote, i still couldnt find what was wrong with what Kerry had to say. i dont think anyone really read what he had to say about the current standings on the war in Iraq.

fuck bush and his childish antics, the man was a cheerleader for christ sakes~!~! and he never went to fight in a war, i'd love to see him watch his close friend die in his arms with blood running down his arms to see the true faces of death & war. id love to watch that man wash his hands in a pool of blood that will never clean the stains. id love to see him scream in pain as the bullett burns his inner parts of his body as it rests inside his chest.

a quote brought up during the Condoleeza Rice interview about Bin bin Laden's threat warnings:

fuck man, your suppost to protect us from all these assholes~!

I stand my ground at this point and will not move. while some of you disagree and shrug your shoulders, i feel bad for you that you have to sleep with a close mind at night.

(guess some of you forgot what they are tryin to do to the adult industry)

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Dude you sound like a monkey shut the fuck up moron. FUCK you can't even type a complete sentence.

fuct

what part of what you had to say had anything to do with anything. you sound like a poor little child who just spilt his milk. go cry me a river.

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